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KingBobs Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:15:00 -
[1771]
and training an skills means not automaticly playing eve.....
for do i pay for train or for play ???
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BoRn2ReIgN
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:16:00 -
[1772]
this whole affair as been handled absolutely disgraceful, you have been trying to squeeze more money out of us for months now with taking away 30/90 day gtc and now this not even a few months later?
this is obviously a business like the rest of them, but can't you even at least try and pretend you care about your customers?
somebody better be losing their job over this. you've easily lost the confidence of half of the community, im not einstein or anything, but no community = no game.
the most disgusting thing to come out of this was announcing this a couple weeks after the new power of 2 promotion, then doing this to them. extremely disappointing and you've not only shown us where your priorities lie, but you have the nerve to give us no notice about the whole thing and basically treating us like animals. i can honestly say the majority of the users here feel disrespected, disappointed and annoyed, in that very order.
just found out 2 hours ago that this was going down and its due to happen in less than 30 hours, basically this is going to cost roughly $20 every 6 months x 9 accounts for me. so with 30 hours notice im expected to fork out an extra $180 over a 6 month time period ($360 a year). not acceptable and disgracefully managed.
you are not the only ones facing an economic crisis, stop being so damn selfish, greedy and self-centered and start listening to your clients for a change.
needless to say -6 accounts here.
p.s you have strained relations and disappointed majority of of us eve players, only way you can patch things up is to withdraw from implementing this, proving to us that we actually do have a voice and input into out the game evolves, as i guarentee half of us know you wont listen and we know we are wasting our time posting here, but we do anyway "just to see if they bother listening to us or not"
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Ilda Mrika
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:16:00 -
[1773]
 Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 14/10/2008 14:11:46
Quote:
The Secure section of the EVE website is undergoing essential maintenance presently and it is currently unreachable. The issue concerns a problem with the server at our billing service provider and we are in contact with them to solve the issue and get an estimation on when we will be back up. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and we hope to have the secure section back up as soon as possible.
Linkage
What a coincidence.
Probably they noticed a peak in subscription cancelations and reached the conclusion that what used to be a game feature is now a bug. And in the benifit of game ballance, my account page was nerfed. |
Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:17:00 -
[1774]
Originally by: DMF KingBob
Edited by: DMF KingBob on 14/10/2008 14:13:31
dear ccp
i know island is broke and has no more money but the fail of your banks should be not the reason to nerf an non-bug that years truely years effected and ****off more players then your dev-team can do
i dont wanna accept that we the victims of depends should pay for the misstakes of islands bankmanagers
CCP's income is in euro's, so they're no financially in trouble like other in Iceland.
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cuculet
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:17:00 -
[1775]
Edited by: cuculet on 14/10/2008 14:22:00
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Well it's 14:12 in Iceland...
Where's our responses, devs? You can't tell me nobody is watching this topic. 
well they will just serve us this:
"The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance.
We are sorry for any inconvenience caused."
officially they don't have time for this^^ |
Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:19:00 -
[1776]
Originally by: Mriss
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!!
Everyone is rage quitting now, but after a couple weeks an realizing they can't live with only training one character up at a time, they'll turn the accounts back on.
No, I don't think so.
CCP has shafted me once too many. Take the Rens ore belt disappearance, jump route rearrangements, Jita "solution", torp nerp, speed nerf, takeyourpick nerf...
Not anymore.
Besides, paying "once or twice" a year is better than none at all...
C'ya in a couple months! /wave
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the Burglar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:19:00 -
[1777]
Funny, as I was about to cancel my subscription for my alt, "The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance.
We are sorry for any inconvenience caused. "
LMFAO
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:19:00 -
[1778]
Originally by: cuculet
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Well it's 14:12 in Iceland...
Where's our responses, devs? You can't tell me nobody is watching this topic.
well they will just serve us this:
"The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance.
We are sorry for any inconvenience caused."
officially they don't have time for this^^
So even the community managers are somehow helping out with that process? Doubt it.
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(CCP Inconsistency)
Why cover it up?
We KNOW it's all just about money |
Remlidan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:19:00 -
[1779]
Originally by: NupetietVer
$15 a month? Show me the link for that GTC. It's $35 now, more than doubled the price of an old 30-day GTC, which was $15.
It's $35 for 60 days. Think the subscription cost is $15 in the States (at least according to http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_08.asp)?
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:20:00 -
[1780]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
CCP's income is in euro's, so they're no financially in trouble like other in Iceland.
All though apparently they went to the same school of false economics, and so are doing the best to achieve very short term gains for longer term losses.
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Virgo I'Platonicus
Ex Eventus Corpi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:20:00 -
[1781]
omfg. Bloody bad news to me :)
It was exactly what kept this game fresh for most of us old players. We could take a month off the game, knowing that when we came back the game would have something new to offer.
Lol i guess next time i freeze my accounts, I'll think 3times whether to return :)
@CCP: I'm sure your financial team has a good reason for the change. It'd be nice if Wrangler could offer in his dev blog somewhat less ambigous information (or some numbers) to indicate the "avalanche" size.
/me turns wishful mode off :)
Regards,
V.
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Karina Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:21:00 -
[1782]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Gunner
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Dlightfull
Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess 
If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...
So Eve is for the rich?
lol
Just saying, that if paying for EVE is breaking your budget perhaps you should reevaluate your lifestyle and maybe look into setting some new priorities. Doesn't exactly take a freaking millionaire to pay $15 a month does it?
Depends on how many lots of $15 you're paying out, and what else you've got as an outgoing... Eve isn't the only thing that costs.
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:21:00 -
[1783]
Originally by: Remlidan
Originally by: NupetietVer
$15 a month? Show me the link for that GTC. It's $35 now, more than doubled the price of an old 30-day GTC, which was $15.
It's $35 for 60 days. Think the subscription cost is $15 in the States (at least according to http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_08.asp)?
$35 for 60 days is $17.50/mo, not $15.
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(CCP Inconsistency)
Why cover it up?
We KNOW it's all just about money |
Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:21:00 -
[1784]
Originally by: Remlidan
Originally by: NupetietVer
$15 a month? Show me the link for that GTC. It's $35 now, more than doubled the price of an old 30-day GTC, which was $15.
It's $35 for 60 days. Think the subscription cost is $15 in the States (at least according to http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_08.asp)?
Yes
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Kage Psychodin
Caldari
The Empire Nation
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:21:00 -
[1785]
Eh. only thing bad I see is they lied. (And unfortunately, in this day and age you can't really admit to lying from somebody else's orders until they give the okay.)
Had two accounts, one was inactive but nothing training. Other account I'm just gonna have to keep subbed, no big deal. carry on.
Another one bites the dust. |
Sailon
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:22:00 -
[1786]
maybe this is their last attempt to keep their bussines up islandic economy is pretty worse at moment why dont ccp move all their activity to europe and get better salary than dieing at iceland :o.
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Triksterism
Gallente
Frozen Corpse Inspection Services
United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:22:00 -
[1787]
Originally by: Virgo I'Platonicus
omfg. Bloody bad news to me :)
It was exactly what kept this game fresh for most of us old players. We could take a month off the game, knowing that when we came back the game would have something new to offer.
Lol i guess next time i freeze my accounts, I'll think 3times whether to return :)
@CCP: I'm sure your financial team has a good reason for the change. It'd be nice if Wrangler could offer in his dev blog somewhat less ambigous information (or some numbers) to indicate the "avalanche" size.
/me turns wishful mode off :)
Regards,
V.
Look at the 'snowflake' link in my sig
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Ghost Train & Snowflake |
lucy stirling
Gallente
Guardian Heroes Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:23:00 -
[1788]
Well i don't see what is wrong what CCP are doing.
I have two characters and there payed for i think if you want more then 1 character then you must be willing to pay for it as you are the one that desided you have another character.
To me it make perfect sence as CCP is a game that people love and hate sometimes. CCP make a great game and for them to make this great game and improve it they need people to pay for there time on the game.
I know this upset people but they need to know they are a Company that has people that work for them and very good people too and they have to pay there wages and so on.
May agaist other people i am not just i can understand what CCP are doing.
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:24:00 -
[1789]
Originally by: Karina Mei
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Gunner
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Dlightfull
Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess
If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...
So Eve is for the rich?
lol
Just saying, that if paying for EVE is breaking your budget perhaps you should reevaluate your lifestyle and maybe look into setting some new priorities. Doesn't exactly take a freaking millionaire to pay $15 a month does it?
Depends on how many lots of $15 you're paying out, and what else you've got as an outgoing... Eve isn't the only thing that costs.
Yeah, see that's my point ... If you're that strapped for cash, perhaps EVE should be way down on the priorities list?
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NoX PL
Pink Bunnies
C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:25:00 -
[1790]
Edited by: NoX PL on 14/10/2008 14:25:55
Its harder and harder to like this game beacuse with every dev blog you come up with a wonderfull idea that only makes people angry.
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Remlidan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:25:00 -
[1791]
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Remlidan
Originally by: NupetietVer
$15 a month? Show me the link for that GTC. It's $35 now, more than doubled the price of an old 30-day GTC, which was $15.
It's $35 for 60 days. Think the subscription cost is $15 in the States (at least according to http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_08.asp)?
$35 for 60 days is $17.50/mo, not $15.
Yes, which is 17% more than before, not more than double the price which he was claiming. And you can still subscribe for $15.
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Virgo I'Platonicus
Ex Eventus Corpi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:26:00 -
[1792]
Edited by: Virgo I''Platonicus on 14/10/2008 14:28:49
Originally by: Triksterism
Look at the 'snowflake' link in my sig
You don't have a sig :P
V.
EDIT: found it and lol :)
<3 |
Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:26:00 -
[1793]
Originally by: lucy stirling
Well i don't see what is wrong what CCP are doing.
I have two characters and there payed for i think if you want more then 1 character then you must be willing to pay for it as you are the one that desided you have another character.
To me it make perfect sence as CCP is a game that people love and hate sometimes. CCP make a great game and for them to make this great game and improve it they need people to pay for there time on the game.
I know this upset people but they need to know they are a Company that has people that work for them and very good people too and they have to pay there wages and so on.
May agaist other people i am not just i can understand what CCP are doing.
Which would be the point if this didn't do the complete opposite of the stated goal.
Doesn't decrease database load (will increase it)
Doesn't give them more money long term (though I don't doubt it will 'this month')
Doesn't fix a bug, (is a feature that attracts players back to the game)
Since CCP pay much of their wages in ISK, and the ISK just dropped big time vs the Euro/USD which they get subscriptions in, they should actually be doing better already.
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Gael Itrus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:26:00 -
[1794]
It was my plan to open a second account to train for caps. I'm afraid that isn't going to happen with these changes.
Also, don't call something a bug when you've previously framed it as a feature.
Quote:
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). As a result, it is a good idea to train short skills while you are playing and longer ones when you log off.
How to train skills, 3rd paragraph.
[http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp]
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:27:00 -
[1795]
Originally by: Sailon
maybe this is their last attempt to keep their bussines up islandic economy is pretty worse at moment why dont ccp move all their activity to europe and get better salary than dieing at iceland :o.
Again, CCP's funding is in Euro's not ISK, so the Icelandic depression isn't impacting them like the rest of the country. They've already commented on this many times.
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Sailon
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:27:00 -
[1796]
Originally by: lucy stirling
Well i don't see what is wrong what CCP are doing.
I have two characters and there payed for i think if you want more then 1 character then you must be willing to pay for it as you are the one that desided you have another character.
To me it make perfect sence as CCP is a game that people love and hate sometimes. CCP make a great game and for them to make this great game and improve it they need people to pay for there time on the game.
I know this upset people but they need to know they are a Company that has people that work for them and very good people too and they have to pay there wages and so on.
May agaist other people i am not just i can understand what CCP are doing.
But why dont keep playerbase happy instead of giving it bad taste , happy player tells friend about good game instead of just saying your friend how the game is not good and no new players join.
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Mriss
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:27:00 -
[1797]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Yeah, see that's my point ... If you're that strapped for cash, perhaps EVE should be way down on the priorities list?
I understand that you are trolling and trying to make people angrier yet.
Please stop that. |
Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:27:00 -
[1798]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
If you're that strapped for cash, perhaps EVE should be way down on the priorities list?
And you are arguing that it's a good change that would prompt a person to reevaluate his RL priorities and realize he's actually too poor to support his hoby, while a week ago he was not?
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AlphaViscera
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:28:00 -
[1799]
Edited by: AlphaViscera on 14/10/2008 14:29:17
I fail to see the logic here... If this was a gameplay balance fix, then there is a laundry list of balance issues to be fixed, and if this was a cash grab, the reality is that this really kills the alt accounts.
Think of it like this
Joe Blogs has a main eve account which he pays for pretty much always, unless to train for a large skill, when that happens he uses one of his alt accounts to play the game.
We all know this and some of us do it but lets look at it in economics
$15 per month for say 10 out of the 12 months per year = $150
the alt account which gets used more than just the 2 months, say 6 months = $75
total = $225
This patch will mean that Joe has no real need for the alt account, unless he is say a cap pilot, so the new changes will make him change his playing style, transfer the alt to the same account, and ask for support from the corp.
12 months of eve sub = $180
thats a loss of $45 per year.
Look I know Iceland is tanking, and you're creditors must be ****ing bricks right about now, but seriously did anyone really crunch these numbers before you approved it?
Also, if this was a gameplay bug, then it really does not make a difference if joe is subbed or not, he will finish BS V and he will fly carriers, so to other players it makes no difference.
CCP You need your head checked
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Tara Yang
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:28:00 -
[1800]
Originally by: The Dev Blog
That's not fair towards CCP as a service provider and it's not fair towards other players that pay a subscription but don't make use of this bug.
Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
Just wanted to add my 0.02 isk to this very long thread. (I pity the fool who has to read it all at CCP, If they even read it.)
Granted I can understand that It's not fair to CCP that people still get higher SP while they are not paying for it. But to use those skills they have to in someway still pay to use the account someday.
But I really invalidated that it effects the player base in anyway, because even though They get higher skill points without paying, A paying customer gets the same ammount op SP AND isk by extually using the account AND a better understanding of the game mechanics by exctually playing the game. Granted I think most people using ghost training have multiple accounts and therefor gets better in eve anyway. If I recall correctlly this was the same argument used some time ago when new characters would be getting around 800k-900k SP at start up instead of the very low ammounts it was set up before that time. TO me this is a bit of hypocracy or turning words around or whatever you want to call it.
Moreover I really can't see how by someone not being active and not logging in on the server gets the database overloaded. As you can not excess the database and get an update on your skills by for instance evemon. If your database gets overloaded by not loggin in you really need to take an other look at how your database is structered.
Just to be sure I have used ghost training once sort off with an alt account but the only reason I did that was because the gtc prices went through the roof. But right now I'm happily paying for both accounts I have.
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