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Lag	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:29:00 - [1801] This change is complete crap. Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:29:00 - [1802] Originally by: Ratio Legis Originally by: Adam Slysphere If you're that strapped for cash, perhaps EVE should be way down on the priorities list? And you are arguing that it's a good change that would prompt a person to reevaluate his RL priorities and realize he's actually too poor to support his hoby, while a week ago he was not? Slacker strike two!
Gael Itrus	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:29:00 - [1803] Originally by: Carsidava Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash. If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts? Why are only skill points being hit? Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer. Because none of those things make CCP money.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:31:00 - [1804] Originally by: Leilla Mac What are the odds on this "bug fix" borking the skill training continuing during DT. How many fixes have worked as intended without being pushed onto a test server first. I'd hope CCP have got this code worked out properly or the forums are likely to explode and a large maintenance bill will ensue. I sense a large LOL in the pipeline. On a serious note I can see Skill training getting borked when you log out ie only online character getting trained and CCP Saying we are aware of the isssue and it will be fixed in a "later" patch. Just think of how many GTC we would need to get to Cap Ship 5 if it only trained while online. Maybe i should edit this post because if CCP read it (i doubt they will, they don't listen to customers anymore they can always tell the media hey we have CSM, we are the MMO leaders in Customer support LOL) they WILL like the idea and they WILL implemented purely by accident of course.
Venetos	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:31:00 - [1805] This "bug" was a feature for players playing with way cheaper GTCs for almost 5 years = already hi-skilled, rich (ISK-wise) and powerful players that you claimed that "cheated" all this time, will now become even stronger vs. noobs...great "bug fixxing" - customer support...a few months after raising GTC prizes... Great...nothing to add to this thread - a lot of constructive points in may "customer" opinions tho...
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:32:00 - [1806] Originally by: AlphaViscera Edited by: AlphaViscera on 14/10/2008 14:29:17 I fail to see the logic here... If this was a gameplay balance fix, then there is a laundry list of balance issues to be fixed, and if this was a cash grab, the reality is that this really kills the alt accounts. Think of it like this Joe Blogs has a main eve account which he pays for pretty much always, unless to train for a large skill, when that happens he uses one of his alt accounts to play the game. We all know this and some of us do it but lets look at it in economics $15 per month for say 10 out of the 12 months per year = $150 the alt account which gets used more than just the 2 months, say 6 months = $75 total = $225 This patch will mean that Joe has no real need for the alt account, unless he is say a cap pilot, so the new changes will make him change his playing style, transfer the alt to the same account, and ask for support from the corp. 12 months of eve sub = $180 thats a loss of $45 per year. Look I know Iceland is tanking, and you're creditors must be ****ing bricks right about now, but seriously did anyone really crunch these numbers before you approved it? Also, if this was a gameplay bug, then it really does not make a difference if joe is subbed or not, he will finish BS V and he will fly carriers, so to other players it makes no difference. CCP You need your head checked and 2 other peoples would still pay the full subscribe for the accounts so that 2x 360 eur what is than 2x 135$ so the change was good for the income :( pity but is so and it would go trough. and dont wait on response devs never responding on threads which are not like they wanted
Wygg Minmatar Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:32:00 - [1807] The easy solution to this whole problem is really quite simple. Prohibit the sale of any character that's been inactive for a set percentage of their lifespan. 25%? 50%? 75%? Something could be worked out. It would stop the farming of characters simply for ISK generation and allow people with RL issues the ability to still reap a reward. Spend X% of the time with the account/characters inactive and you can't sell them. Sounds like a compromise. Sure it would be nice to be able to train three characters simultaneously. Multi-skill training would be nifty and a training queue would be a boon. That having been said, the other side of the argument begs why you shouldn't have to play a character who's training a long skill? This coming from a guy who's got quite a few skills at V and who hasn't gone inactive for them. (And to all the peeps bemoaning what a "weak" or "mediocre" game Eve is ... why don't you just quit, then? Really. Just go.)
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:32:00 - [1808] Originally by: Ratio Legis Originally by: Adam Slysphere If you're that strapped for cash, perhaps EVE should be way down on the priorities list? And you are arguing that it's a good change that would prompt a person to reevaluate his RL priorities and realize he's actually too poor to support his hoby, while a week ago he was not? I fail to see how this is impacting him ... If he was just running one account it's still going to be the same for him. And seriously, if he's that strapped for cash is running two accounts really that good of an idea? I'm not trolling and I'm all for people having a hobby and what not. All I'm saying is that if someone is that strapped for cash than perhaps he should focus less on an internet spaceship game and put his money elsewhere. Am I wrong in suggesting that people spend their money on important things in life instead of a video game? lol
Karina Mei Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:32:00 - [1809] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Karina Mei Depends on how many lots of $15 you're paying out, and what else you've got as an outgoing... Eve isn't the only thing that costs. Yeah, see that's my point ... If you're that strapped for cash, perhaps EVE should be way down on the priorities list? Which is maybe going to be the reaction of a lot of people with numerous accounts. Personally this is my reaction to the change, but not down to the money issue. Mine is more due to the fact that I don't get to play much and just keep characters ghost training so I've got some incentive to come back to the game at a point in the future and start paying for all my accounts.
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:33:00 - [1810] Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap. Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything? it is doing something. It's learning a new skill ...
Poleander Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:33:00 - [1811] Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap. Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything? why will he not be able to do anything? and why should the value of inactive accounts be increased without them being paid for?
Jel Ting	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:33:00 - [1812] I don't understand the referals to this ghost training as a selling point? I never saw it in an ad. I know that training a skill while you are logged off is a selling point. This is a Balance issue too. People are power leveling, I say this even though eve has no real equivalance, but for arguments sake let's assume the normal char progression is to train frigates, then go to interceptors or assault frigates, then train for cov ops, recons, hacs, command ships, BS 5, and finally Capital ships and beyond, well that's like 2-3 years in training but you have a pilot that can fly most of a races ships and has support skills across the board. Now if a character is made and simply a course plotted for capital ships you could get there in less than a year and do it by only paying lets say 6 months. So what we have is lots of people creating alts training them to dreads only paying 50% and distorting the balance of characters on the server. I'm not a big alt fan myself, I think Eve should only allow one client to run on a system myself, but if one wants to create an alt and train him anyway he see's fit fine, but pay for it. Money limits things, so if people are spending less on alts then they can create more, this drives down the price of characters and floods the game with "cheap" and plentiful cap pilots and hulks, this is not good for the balance IMHO. I want people to care what they train and train what they play, not train for caps because it's the best way to train long skills for free or reduced cost. For those of you that can't wait 2-4 weeks for a skill to train, put down the caffeine, for the longer skills like 60-80 days, why not wait until your character has other stuff trained before going right for Capitals 5? oh wait you can't play the toon when you train for that because your character has crap skills and can only fly the prerequisites to capitals, tough ***, train an inty they are a blast, stop whining and start playing the game. Don't *** cause you started in 07 and some guy from 04 has a titan and you don't, and you don't get to catch up to him by hardly paying. Play the game
Signaldog Gallente Cloak and Daggers	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:33:00 - [1813] Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap. Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything? You can do something...in fact, you can do anything you want, but most importantly, you can PLAY the game you are paying for...nothing says you can't play and train a skill at the same time....I've got BS V on one account (paid for non-stop) and Enough skills/SP to fly a Rorq on a second account (paid for non-stop) and have PLAYED the game the entire time. READ MY SALVAGER THREAD HERE!!!!
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1814] it may be just me but ive never seen that account maintanance page ever great stuff great stuff
Mriss	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1815] Account management being disabled is icing on the dirt cake.
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1816] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap. Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything? it is doing something. It's learning a new skill ... Which is basically just a clock ticking while you take a break from the game. No bandwidth use and anyone is free to do it. - Ghost Train & Snowflake
ATARI BABY Lords Of Guile	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1817] Originally by: lucy stirling Well i don't see what is wrong what CCP are doing. I have two characters and there payed for i think if you want more then 1 character then you must be willing to pay for it as you are the one that desided you have another character. To me it make perfect sence as CCP is a game that people love and hate sometimes. CCP make a great game and for them to make this great game and improve it they need people to pay for there time on the game. I know this upset people but they need to know they are a Company that has people that work for them and very good people too and they have to pay there wages and so on. May agaist other people i am not just i can understand what CCP are doing. my sig tells ya whats wrong. LIE
Koyama Ise Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1818] CCP before you go bankrupt and lose your servers... release the source code... ----- Cause it can't be quoted enough. Originally by: Damned Force Something like: Nanoships need a nerf but only the 10km/s+ ships. Nano HACs to slowboating Battleships wil be ****ed by this nerf.
Helios vector	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:35:00 - [1819] i feel like i was just led into a dark alley by a man called CCP who offered my a piece of candy called EVEonline. when i was far enough in the alleyway..... He ****d me. thats how this "bug" fix makes me feel.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:35:00 - [1820] Originally by: Mriss Account management being disabled is icing on the dirt cake. yea this is really annyoing.
Damned Force Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:35:00 - [1821] Make get xp just if u online. much more than now, cca 3-5x the ammount and just if peoples online, BUT THAN LET THEM JUST PAY FOR THE TIME THEY PLAYING let say 7-8 cent/hour
Mask Fedor	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:35:00 - [1822] Well, EvE is sucking more and more every day anyway.. http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp Yes, worked as intended before, but now is haxxx Anyway, goodbye 2 alts (cap pilots). My main was already cancelled before.
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:36:00 - [1823] Originally by: Mriss Account management being disabled is icing on the dirt cake. Stop payment on the credit card, push come to shove. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
Arrs Grazznic Poena Executive Solutions	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:37:00 - [1824] Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap. Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything? Eh? Training a skill does not prevent you playing! Personally I'm aginst the change, but you do not need to ghost train to learn all those level 5 skills! Cheers, Arrs Quote: Is it just me who says "what can I do in real life: drink beer; walk around; put on clothes; fly a spaceship firing at other spaceships" and then use that to choose what I do on the internet?
JanSVK	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:37:00 - [1825] I understand your resons. I am not happy but understand. Now give us skill queue. I already lost weeks of training time due to unexpected server bugs and errors in game and such things and the only way to get that lost time back was to put up a longer skill when I was taking a break from the game. If it is such a problem that a skill could be finished on an inactive account, the same priority should go to prevent skills not being trained on active accounts.
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:37:00 - [1826] Originally by: Signaldog Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap. Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything? You can do something...in fact, you can do anything you want, but most importantly, you can PLAY the game you are paying for...nothing says you can't play and train a skill at the same time....I've got BS V on one account (paid for non-stop) and Enough skills/SP to fly a Rorq on a second account (paid for non-stop) and have PLAYED the game the entire time. You win the award for posting like you haven't been hit in the head repeatedly with a blunt object. You're check will be presented to you at a celebration to be set at a later date.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:38:00 - [1827] CCP, you better start improving the game in a way that does not make alts a requirement if you want to get somewhere.
AlphaViscera	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:40:00 - [1828] I see the only trade off is to allow us to have more than one characters on each account training skills concurrently. CCP to your playerbase, you either get one account paid in full for 12 months of a year, or you get nothing
Mriss	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:41:00 - [1829] Originally by: SSgt Sniper Originally by: Mriss Account management being disabled is icing on the dirt cake. Stop payment on the credit card, push come to shove. I actually tried that. They (bank) would not allow it "as we cannot know should you have received the services already that you were supposed to pay for". The only way to stop the payments would actually be to terminate the bank account. Quite... Interesting.
ingenting 20th Legion Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:41:00 - [1830] _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."

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