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Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:01:00 - [1741] Originally by: Taat Ricedi So can u tell me how did you pay for me when my account was inactive? I paid because your account needs database space, with each patch that affects the characters the database needs to be updated also even for inactive accounts and so on. So you didn't pay for it, someone else did and the only people who are paying are those active subscribers. They paid for you. You don't pay - you get nothing. Simple, easy and fair.
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:02:00 - [1742] AWESOME ! I congratulate you on finding ways to earn more money! Check this tards! 1st account (40$/2 months) 2nd account (40$/2 months) 3rd account (40$/2-4 months) Being Ghosttrainned. -------------------------- vs. 1st account (40$/2 months) 2nd account (40$/2 months) 3rd account (40$ fee for transfering 2 chars) - no more money for you.... boohya ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Lerand Gaunt	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:02:00 - [1743] Originally by: Howard Atkins Originally by: Lerand Gaunt Bye, bye. We are happy to see you leave. One less 10-year-old forum whiner... Iam glad that you brought some very valid points that explain what you did not like about my statement. But dont be worried, my easily-insulting-others-without-reason friend, i do have one account that will stay active :) Or maybe i should put sarcasm tags in the text? - H.A. I did not state the points I founded childish in you post because they are (at least to me) so blatantly shown. If it were ment to be sarcastic, I must appology, I did not see it. I might take things bit too seriously but I do have to mention that reading all these whines it tends to become hard to spot sarcasm :) Part was this: "Either -2 accounts, or my demands are met (yes, we can play this both ways. Lets not forget: Customer is King!):" First thing that came to my mind was this scene I see frequently in my local store: A 10-year-old child sitting on the floor, grabbing mothers foor shouting "Unless you buy me that lollypop I will hold my breath untill I die!"
Maliartis	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:02:00 - [1744] I will be permanently canceling my two alt accounts if this goes live.
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:03:00 - [1745] Originally by: Gunner Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Dlightfull Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ... So Eve is for the rich? lol Just saying, that if paying for EVE is breaking your budget perhaps you should reevaluate your lifestyle and maybe look into setting some new priorities. Doesn't exactly take a freaking millionaire to pay $15 a month does it?
Endena	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:03:00 - [1746] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Endena lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I rarely ever paid for!! That will teach them a lesson they won't soon forget! All you rage quitters need to get it together ... On the other hand, you are providing me with a lot of entertainment since I can't play EVE right now. You read my text wrong and your empathy attributs are also quite low. You are Achura and CAOD forum ***** on your main, amirite?
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:04:00 - [1747] Originally by: Maliartis I will be permanently canceling my two alt accounts if this goes live. You better hurry up then
NupetietVer	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:04:00 - [1748] Heck yea Eve is for the Rich. Jacked up prices on GTC's. This new skill training so you now have to be tethered to you computer. Thanks for excluding your existing and new playerbase CCP, you just standardized this MMO to WoW. Wow, look at your profits fall klownshoez!
Sahara Eternity Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:05:00 - [1749] Originally by: Gnulpie I paid because your account needs database space, with each patch that affects the characters the database needs to be updated also even for inactive accounts and so on. So you didn't pay for it, someone else did and the only people who are paying are those active subscribers. They paid for you. You don't pay -you get nothing. Simple, easy and fair. LOL, Your logic sucks btw. 1) If I pay and don't log in do I get my monney back ? OR 2) If I pay and for some reason the precios batabase im paying for, decides that it wold not start in the alocated time (DT) do I also get my monney back ?
ju4n1ta Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:05:00 - [1750] With ghost training nerfed, d'ya think it would be a good idea to hav "My Account" part of your webpage operational? Or will it be down untill next patch and we can all go **** our selves?

Arrs Grazznic Poena Executive Solutions	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:05:00 - [1751] Originally by: Triksterism The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play. However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module. Very true. I have never Ghost Trained, but if I was to leave the game I'd consider coming back if I had a nice shiny to return to. Cheers, Arrs Quote: Is it just me who says "what can I do in real life: drink beer; walk around; put on clothes; fly a spaceship firing at other spaceships" and then use that to choose what I do on the internet?
Mika Katon Gallente The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:06:00 - [1752] Originally by: Triksterism Originally by: Lord Fitz If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure. I wouldn't consider the whole not logging in thing to be "playing" the game. The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play. However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module. Exactly. I was planning on taking a month off to catch up on fixing the fence and getting some chores around the house done, and I was looking forward to resubscribing with Heavy Drones V complete. Now? I'm just staying unsubscribed.
Ratio Legis Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:06:00 - [1753] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Lord Fitz If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure. Yup, and now they're fixing that and people are loosing their mind. Nope, in order to keep training you need to pay for at least each second month. Also, I find the timing of this change oddly fitting since it coincides with Blizzard's announcement how they want to make one Starcraft and charge for 3.
Gedhay	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:07:00 - [1754] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Seth Ruin Originally by: Adam Slysphere lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!! The key right there. Getting paid sometimes is more profit than getting paid never. Getting people to pay all the time is better than people paying once or twice a year. Everyone is rage quitting now, but after a couple weeks an realizing they can't live with only training one character up at a time, they'll turn the accounts back on. if u pay once or twice a year, u have a lot of time not training anything. so u shouldn't be bother by that. but if ur going with business somewere or in vacation for 2-3 weeks and in the miwhile ur account goes disable.........
NupetietVer	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:08:00 - [1755] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Gunner Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Dlightfull Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ... So Eve is for the rich? lol Just saying, that if paying for EVE is breaking your budget perhaps you should reevaluate your lifestyle and maybe look into setting some new priorities. Doesn't exactly take a freaking millionaire to pay $15 a month does it? $15 a month? Show me the link for that GTC. It's $35 now, more than doubled the price of an old 30-day GTC, which was $15.
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:08:00 - [1756] Originally by: Ratio Legis Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Lord Fitz If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure. Yup, and now they're fixing that and people are loosing their mind. Nope, in order to keep training you need to pay for at least each second month. Also, I find the timing of this change oddly fitting since it coincides with Blizzard's announcement how they want to make one Starcraft and charge for 3. And now you have to pay for every month ... This is kind of CCP's point and the proper way to run a business...
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:08:00 - [1757] Originally by: Ratio Legis Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Lord Fitz If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure. Yup, and now they're fixing that and people are loosing their mind. Nope, in order to keep training you need to pay for at least each second month. Also, I find the timing of this change oddly fitting since it coincides with Blizzard's announcement how they want to make one Starcraft and charge for 3. Look at Half-Life. Pls, all, dont touch blizzard in each negative post. ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Roseanna	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:08:00 - [1758] Originally by: Kim Wilde while needed to be removed for financiall reasons............. this feature of the game was one way of taking a vacation or a break while not loosing out, so introduce a skill queue so we know we wont be paying for a idle account while on vacation and id be happy this makes total sense. and for the rest of you, gotta pay to play!
Cpt Hook	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:09:00 - [1759] Edited by: Cpt Hook on 14/10/2008 14:10:06 wtf is going on with the acount management page? why it has been disabled? this remember me of "those days" when the hole forum page was just "crashing" ... Quote: The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance. We are sorry for any inconvenience caused. maintenance my *ss!
Lilla Kharn	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:10:00 - [1760] Edited by: Lilla Kharn on 14/10/2008 14:14:54 Honestly, it's not that I care you did this or not. Well maybe not. I do care about it, I don't believe it should be happening as it is, but if I don't like what you do to the game, I'll just stop playing. No need to post about it. But what really gets me is that you flat out lied to us. You blatantly call this something it's not, you try to promote 'game balance' when clearly this has nothing to do with game balance until you add in R&D. You give us two days warning on something so serious and try to play it off as something that we shouldn't really care about. The GTC changes really screwed up my accounts to say the least, and this just takes the cake. No, I've never used this feature but I liked that if I needed to I could. Whoever thought of this must have been drunk, whoever decided to implement it like this must have been high, and whoever decided to call this a bug must be delusional. Several times on your own website it has been stated as feature. Whether this 'feature' was intended or not, it is there and you as a company acknowledged it as one. As someone stated before, when a 'bug' is left there for 5 years, it becomes a game feature. This is widely used, this was not something that was kept secret and suddenly popped up. EDIT Buying GTC's also still supported CCP because even if you didn't pay for GTC, the person you bought it from did. Therefore CCP is still making money. It's not like CCP went out and sold their own GTC's for ISK.

Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:10:00 - [1761] Originally by: Gnulpie I paid because your account needs database space, with each patch that affects the characters the database needs to be updated also even for inactive accounts and so on. So you didn't pay for it, someone else did and the only people who are paying are those active subscribers. They paid for you. You don't pay - you get nothing. Simple, easy and fair. That's the thing though, the amount of info being stored is trivial, and no more information is stored for chars that are being trained over those that are not. Players that haven't played for years are using as much resource as those who have paid recently, thus those who have paid recently, are 'paying' for people who will never pay again. IF they were actually serious about it causing database load, they'd be trying to remove rows, and thus completely remove inactive accounts. But they're not. They're removing the ability to train, which will actually cause MORE load on the database, because previously, if a char never logged in (inactive) their skill training was never checked, and thus created no load. If you never tried to login, they don't even need to check if your account is active. Now they need to check if your account is active all the time, so they can stop training if it is not. This change will create extra database load. The worst bit about this is that they're treating us like we don't know this, like we're all 'you', and have no idea how things work, and will just accept the fictional reason they give us. There is only one reason to implement this change, and that's if they want more money and figure the extra handful of people that sign up 100% of the time instead of 75% will make up for the load of people that never resubscribe.
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:11:00 - [1762] Where all this CSM guys? ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Siona Windweaver	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:11:00 - [1763] Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 14/10/2008 14:11:46 Quote: The Secure section of the EVE website is undergoing essential maintenance presently and it is currently unreachable. The issue concerns a problem with the server at our billing service provider and we are in contact with them to solve the issue and get an estimation on when we will be back up. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and we hope to have the secure section back up as soon as possible. Linkage What a coincidence.
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:12:00 - [1764] Originally by: Mika Katon Originally by: Triksterism Originally by: Lord Fitz If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure. I wouldn't consider the whole not logging in thing to be "playing" the game. The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play. However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module. Exactly. I was planning on taking a month off to catch up on fixing the fence and getting some chores around the house done, and I was looking forward to resubscribing with Heavy Drones V complete. Now? I'm just staying unsubscribed. Now, I think most people don't even ghost train regularly. They do it when they simply want to take a break. I, myself, have only ghost trained once (Minmatar Cruiser V -- I needed a break from EvE). I don't know, I feel it is silly they are removing this. I feel it might give them a huge influx of cash (people activating alt accounts + character transfer fees) but after that, no extra steady income. A percentage of people who use alts will have reduced their account 'count' to about 1 instead of 3 or so. - Ghost Train & Snowflake
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:12:00 - [1765] Well it's 14:12 in Iceland... Where's our responses, devs? You can't tell me nobody is watching this topic. -- (CCP Inconsistency) Why cover it up? We KNOW it's all just about money
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:13:00 - [1766] Edited by: DMF KingBob on 14/10/2008 14:13:31 dear ccp i know island is broke and has no more money but the fail of your banks should be not the reason to nerf an non-bug that years truely years effected and ****off more players then your dev-team can do i dont wanna accept that we the victims of depends should pay for the misstakes of islands bankmanagers
Ratio Legis Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:13:00 - [1767] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Ratio Legis Nope, in order to keep training you need to pay for at least each second month. And now you have to pay for every month ... This is kind of CCP's point and the proper way to run a business... That would be a valid point if they had made game mechanics that would allow me to use all my accounts with equal efficiency. In the case when a single user cannot run all of his accounts in the same manner, why do you argue it's ok to be charged equally for all of them?
Rex Jett	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:13:00 - [1768] Well I guess there's no need for me to ever activate my account again. Cya EVE. I guess i'll keep giving my money to Blizzard
Mriss	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:14:00 - [1769] Originally by: Adam Slysphere Originally by: Seth Ruin Originally by: Adam Slysphere lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!! Everyone is rage quitting now, but after a couple weeks an realizing they can't live with only training one character up at a time, they'll turn the accounts back on. No, I don't think so. CCP has shafted me once too many. Take the Rens ore belt disappearance, jump route rearrangements, Jita "solution", torp nerp, speed nerf, takeyourpick nerf... Not anymore. Besides, paying "once or twice" a year is better than none at all...
Scardin	Posted - 2008.10.14 14:14:00 - [1770] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Taat Ricedi So can u tell me how did you pay for me when my account was inactive? I paid because your account needs database space, with each patch that affects the characters the database needs to be updated also even for inactive accounts and so on. So you didn't pay for it, someone else did and the only people who are paying are those active subscribers. They paid for you. You don't pay - you get nothing. Simple, easy and fair. Excuse me, I've been paying to CCP about $50 a month for my accounts, which is probably more than you are. I'll keep paying no more than that, but will unfortunately be forced to sell some of my characters, diminishing my enjoyment of the game. But that's beside the point. A character with all its possessions will take up perhaps 1 MB of database space. Since even enterprise-class disk drives are $3 a gigabyte these days, i suppose I should be thankful for "your" contribution of $0.003 to my $50. ps: Both you and CCP should learn the great difference between a cancelled account and a ghost trained account.



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