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Cincannatus
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:22:00 -
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Cause a decline in Character prices?
I'd love to pick up a cheap toon...Or are they just whining like normal???
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:23:00 -
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Moar Whinage, nothing else...
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Moirae Arachnea
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 -
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They are just whining because they are getting their EVE on EASY taken away from them.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 -
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More importantly: will they do the sane and proper thing and give me all their stuff?
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Cincannatus
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:33:00 -
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jeez. that sucks. im a 'new' player with like 6-7 mn Sp....and it kinda sucks that there are people always ahead of me in SP....
but i mean....i cant even afford a toon....
maybe at half price..i'd be open....and all these people saying lovely stuff like minus3 accounts got me all excited...
even though the maths behind people not paying for accounts but using the ghost trains kinda escapes me.
Damn it must be terrible to be poor in real life and not have 10 pounds to spare a month to spare for a game.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Tippia
More importantly: will they do the sane and proper thing and give me all their stuff?
I asked first
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cincannatus
Cause a decline in Character prices?
I'd love to pick up a cheap toon...Or are they just whining like normal???
Nope, because an account has to be active for the character to be sold.
However those websites - and we all know who they are - where eve accounts can be purchased... try shopping there.
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TYCONDEROGA
Amarr
EMPERIAL ARMOR
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:39:00 -
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Theres only one thing I know for sure:
Tortun Nahme is going to die from alcohol poisoning.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: TYCONDEROGA
Theres only one thing I know for sure:
Tortun Nahme is going to die from alcohol poisoning.
The only thing stopping me from logging my alts to post more threads to expedite this is that I wouldn't get a killmail.
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TYCONDEROGA
Amarr
EMPERIAL ARMOR
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:44:00 -
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He who defends Everything, Defends Nothing! |
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:01:00 -
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we need less winage on this forums ... i hope they do leave =)
no i dont give me there stuff and then leave.. that a better alterantive
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ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:42:00 -
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combats some of the gold farmers to. Have to pay either gtc-etc or accounts now
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains2
combats some of the gold farmers to. Have to pay either gtc-etc or accounts now
Please explain how an ISK farmer makes more money from an inactive account than one which is, oh I don't know USED TO MAKE ISK 23/7. HELLO MCFLY!
Speeeeeeeeeaking of ISK farmers. If the poor ickle database was under so much load then perhaps we could all help by pointing out some areas of excessive demand. Starting with Igunn.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:01:00 -
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I've got jello left but who has something to mix it with?
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:03:00 -
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Ban everybody who uses the word "toon".
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
I've got jello left but who has something to mix it with?
Delicious fruit pieces?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:08:00 -
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while those are probably better for me, and could contribute to mking sure im not sick tomorrow 
they aren't any fun
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cincannatus
Cause a decline in Character prices?
I'd love to pick up a cheap toon...Or are they just whining like normal???
Just whining.
God, I really wish they'd quit and go away for real. That'd make my millenium.
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Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff
Ban everybody who uses the word "toon".
Does this include you?
Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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SharpMango
14th Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Darkeen
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Ban everybody who uses the word "toon".
Does this include you?
I think gamer4liff just got introduced to Godel's incompleteness theorem =D
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Vikarion
Caldari
Hunters Imperiale
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:15:00 -
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No, we "whiners" ("whiner" in this context meaning people who have been lied to and screwed over repeatedly by a certain company) will continue to play, most likely.
Well, about 75% of us.
Minus our alts.
You see, the consistent customer base of CCP has been the enduring users - you know, the cap ship pilots, the maxed-out-in-one-ship-type people, etc. We are also the ones who usually like to PvP and have alt accounts so we can earn money and cross train...
...except that...
CCP has decided to treat us to a continuing serving of crap.
So, yeah, maybe I'll stick around...I have friends in-game who I actually enjoy playing with and whatnot. I'm certainly not playing because I like CCP. In fact, if I thought it would do any good I'd be making little effigies of their company and burning them on little altars.
Alright, not that extreme. But every time I start to think well of them again, they do something either A) incredibly bone-headed and mean, or B) incredibly mean and boneheaded.
It's getting old.
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Cybele Lanier
Amarr
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:38:00 -
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Is there any sort of graph showing subscription numbers over time? It'd be interesting to see if any of the controversial nerfs actually did cause a wave of account cancellations.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cincannatus
Cause a decline in Character prices?
I'd love to pick up a cheap toon...Or are they just whining like normal???
It's more likely the character prices will go up. Less people will ghosttrain alts for isk. I know at least a few players who kept their pvp expenses supported by character training/selling on alt accounts. Those guys will close their extra account and either sell GTC's (they paid for chara transfer before, could as well buy GTC's and sell for isk now), start to farm isk, or quit.
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Johann Jeneau
Gallente
Cricas Portuguese Korp
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:15:00 -
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I never did ghost training before but was going to do because of GTC prices, anyway i have to thank CCP for open my eyes, it's stupid to metagame, i will not be quiting (unless my friends quit, then i will quit for sure) but from my 3 accounts i will simple keep 2 chars i really need in one account.
And no i wont sell the other chars (1 almost capital pilot meh, the other a perfect miner meh meh), never know when a friend or i will need them.
What i really want now is that CCP keeps with this crusade of making Eve a fairer world and ends the GTC for ISK selling, simply the most unfair stuff in this game by far!
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Shen Li
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:28:00 -
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Same-o. I was thinking about starting another alt for fun on a Trial account, Ghost-train him for a bit then activate the account for a month and transfer it.
But obviously that's no longer an option and I won't pay a third account just for that. So in my case the Ghost nerf lost 1-2 months subscriptions I might have paid otherwise :)
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
The Cosa Nostra
La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:38:00 -
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Demand will stay the same, but offer will go down... They'll start raising like this, and I'll never get my revelation or archon alt for a decent price like this!
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Twinme
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Twinme on 14/10/2008 10:46:54
I was going to reactivate a few accounts at end of October as their long skills would have been finishing by that time.
Now I don't care to reactivate them.
carrier pilot...
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 14/10/2008 10:51:46
Would be much more interesting if CCP knew how much SP had been gained via 'ghost training', removed it, and gave it to the currently active, paid-up accounts by divided it up equally between them all.
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Narcogen
Gallente
IBO CORP
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shen Li
Same-o. I was thinking about starting another alt for fun on a Trial account, Ghost-train him for a bit then activate the account for a month and transfer it.
But obviously that's no longer an option and I won't pay a third account just for that. So in my case the Ghost nerf lost 1-2 months subscriptions I might have paid otherwise :)
I am consistently amazed at the economic knowledge displayed by the players of a game that has such a vibrant economy.
For every account they lose that is ghost training, CCP loses X months of GTCs where for every fiscal year X < 12 (since otherwise there would be no point).
In fact it is more than likely significantly less than 12 or else the advantage gained by ghost training would be minimal.
So for the quantity of ghost trainers, there is a percentage that won't give up their gains to date and will convert to full accounts, and there is a percentage that are doing the ghost training because they have more accounts than they can afford to keep active, and they will let those characters lapse.
CCP has to have calculated that the value of X is such that even if a low percentage of ghost trainers convert, that the increased revenue generated by a small number of permanent accounts more than compensates for the lost revenue of ghost training accounts that are only active a small percentage of the time. In addition whatever system resources are consumed by those inactive ghost training accounts can be reclaimed at no cost, since they were generating minimal income anyway and will no longer be consuming resources.
CCP has presented the system resource issue as being primary, with gameplay fairness second, while largely ignoring the revenue issue. Revenue is clearly the primary issue here, and I think most of the pushback CCP are getting over this is related to that fact.
Still after five years I think CCP probably have a very good idea of how much revenue they will lose from ghost trainers, how much they will gain from the smaller percentage that activate their accounts and keep them activated to train, and how many will emoragequit. Yet people still insist that this will kill Eve, that CCP do not know what they are doing, and that this move will backfire.
Based on what, I wonder?
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cincannatus
Cause a decline in Character prices?
I'd love to pick up a cheap toon...Or are they just whining like normal???
Account has to be active to transfer the char.
Transferring char costs RL money, only gain is isk, someone quitting isn't going to need the isk.
Disabling ghost training means it will cost more RL money to train a high SP Char.
The actual result will likely be that legitimate char prices actually go up. Illegitimate ones possibly down.
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