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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:21:00 -
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 Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Wrangler is not ccp. Waiiiiittttttt.................*snip*
Different matter. Wrangler is the community manager, he doesn't decide what happens and what features are removed.
Who knows, wrangler may be against this as much as you guys.
Thing is, i will play along, yes, but not fanboi.
For example, i play WoW, i don't know anything besides huge promotions about add-ons what happens, i don't frequent the forums, i play the game because i like the game and accept that MMOs change.
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 14/10/2008 17:08:03
Originally by: Malcanis
Do you seriously believe that?
I mean really. Seriously?
Because if you do, I expect you to post immediately a thread in the CSM forum stating in the strongest possible terms that GTC for ISK and Characters sales must stop immediately...
... assuming that you're not a "hypopotamus"
Yes. It brings equal ground to all players timewise.
I don't post "remove this" threads, 'cause it's not my game. They do whatever they like. I'm cool with that, that's how MMOs work.
I don't particularly like GTC for ISK or character sales, i think it's a bit weird, and i certainly wouldn't cry if they got removed.
Balance is; equal ground for all players.
This brings more balance.
You can't dispute that.
Highwind, and others;
If they did't remove the "ghost training" part from the guide, and removed the feature, just HOW many threads do you think there would be by outraged people, new to game, who would say "it said so!" 
Was it not balanced before this change. Everyone could ghost train. I'm not sure if I understand how you believe this balances.
On the your last part. New players would be upset because with no more ghost training, all the vets got the advantage. So now its imbalanced.
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Hanso Sparxx
We The People
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Posted - 2008.10.14 18:58:00 -
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I don't know if anyone has stated this yet... but does anyone see the irony of cancelling an account that isn't being paid for in the first place?
*oh, yeah, I know... after 59 more days of training, you'll spend another 15 bucks to train another 100 day skill. whooptidoo
I also love the fact that teenage emo video game nerds are also masters of how the economy and businesses work.
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari
League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hanso Sparxx
I also love the fact that teenage emo video game nerds are also masters of how the economy and businesses work.
Many evo-o players are university graduates, and micro/macro economics are a first year introductory course in most 3-4 year undergraduate programs. It's not difficult to grasp that alot of people here might understand how the economy works. 
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Cincannatus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Cincannatus on 14/10/2008 19:42:50
Originally by: Hanso Sparxx
I don't know if anyone has stated this yet... but does anyone see the irony of cancelling an account that isn't being paid for in the first place?
Lol, that puts it very well. I dont have the words within me to say something so succintly...
oh and about the economics thing...
i was thinking this is basically about the marginal utility/rates of return right...
by allowing ghost training, ccp were effectively allowing the price of eve to vary, cutting down on lost surplus and maximising gain.
So theoretically CCP must make a loss on this. they need to, because that surplus will dissappear. And the ppl leaving suggest that, from 3 accounts to 1 is marginal utility at work.
however that is good for ppl like me, because that will mean 2 accounts on the market
edit: this is aonly a short term thing though, who knows how it will impact in the long term.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Highwind Cid
Was it not balanced before this change. Everyone could ghost train. I'm not sure if I understand how you believe this balances.
On the your last part. New players would be upset because with no more ghost training, all the vets got the advantage. So now its imbalanced.
Now now, keep it real here.
It wasn't balanced before, because some wish to play all the time, so they are not getting "free gain".
On the last part, it wasn't about vets having a gain, they already do as is, timewise, but about CCP needing to remove things from player guide that are not there anymore.
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Hanso Sparxx
We The People
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:11:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Dizeezer Velar
Many evo-o players are university graduates, and micro/macro economics are a first year introductory course in most 3-4 year undergraduate programs. It's not difficult to grasp that alot of people here might understand how the economy works.
Yeah... I've taken those classes myself and you really think those freshman classes give you that much insight into how real world economics work? Are you qualified to run a companies financial department now? Or are you just an expert at balancing your own checkbook?
Just because they realized that "ghost training" evolved into something that they really did not intend - and lets be smart about this, Emos - do you really think they intended people to train that many inactive accounts?
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Siberys
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Siberys on 14/10/2008 20:15:11
Originally by: Moirae Arachnea
They are just whining because they are getting their EVE on EASY taken away from them.
MA
I beat The Blockade on legendary with all skulls on. 
Gotta love Halo 3....
Ontopic: Let 'em leave. They are (Were) detrimental to the community.
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nahtoh
Caldari
StrikerCorp
Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:40:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
But people can't seriously be this annoyed/disappointed by a removed feature.
I don't really care about the feature, it would have been OK either way with me. I quit because CCP choose to lie about it being a bug (they don't document most features and they would document that bug as a feature?) and because they chose to hide behind the fairness argument. CCP authorize char transfer for ISKs and GTC for IKSs, so obviously fairness is not one of their primary concern.
Had they no be such hypocrites about the whole situation I'd not be trying to access "My account" right now. I just won't give money anymore to people obviously thinking I'm a moron here to be milked.
It's perfectly OK to want more money, AFAIK they don't publicly publish their results and maybe they are in dire need of a fresh cash injection. They just had to be honest about the whole deal. In about any business if you show obvious disrespect toward your customers they walk out, that is exactly what is happening now.
It was/is a bug that became a feature (with no plans to remove it at the time and for a number of years). Its been revisited and decided to move it back to teh bug camp and remove it. All of the dev comments I have seen about it over the years pretty much came down to "It was not a intended feature but a bug that we are currenttly allowing", they are not anymore.
Cry yourself a river, build a bridge and get the feck over it...Its probable reason from being removed was to many off one month on the next crap. Basicly amounting to next to 12 months skill training for 7 to 8 months worth of subs. The way I read the dev blog was more along the lines of to many people are abusing it, so we are removing it.
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Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.10.14 22:22:00 -
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Pretty much ignore everything CCP has ever said it means absolutely nothing. Treat them as politicians it's just hype and sales patter same as everyone else now. Treat them as a normal company now. Don't like what they do then don't give them money
ie. I pay my subs at the moment and begrudge it to be honest. A year ago I would've bought all the ship models without a second thought. But I don't think I owe them that loyalty anymore as I just see it as a game now as opposed to being a fan and seeing it as a good use of leisure time.
/start sig
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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StuckToon
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.15 00:23:00 -
[101]
Edited by: StuckToon on 15/10/2008 00:28:54
Originally by: Korizan
I just got one or two questions.
Where does it officially say that when you CANCEL your account you will continue to train.
Where was this put in as an official selling feature of the game ?
Just curious cause I know I have must have missed this message or promotion.
Yes, inactive = logged out? Cancel = I quit, don't pay for or have any more use of this account?
anyway just for clarification, anyone actually attempted the wayback machine to see if anything useful can be found or is eve on it's list of blocked sites, too much work or thought, etc..? Looks to me like theree are archived many months of useful and fun captures to pore over. http://www.archive.org/index.php
I'm at work and don't have time
Edit: what about Chribba? no links, just referenced to something and oops it was fixed
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.10.15 02:17:00 -
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probably doubt that it will because you trade the character for ISK. Which if they are quiting... the isk is worthless to them.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2008.10.15 02:35:00 -
[103]
Moved to "OOPE" channel.
Applebabe
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
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Mordrake
Orbital Anvil Technologies
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Posted - 2008.10.15 02:58:00 -
[104]
Originally by: CCP Applebabe
Moved to "OOPE" channel.
Bwaaa haaaaa, relegated to the dusty back room of EVE O forums ; P
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:10:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: CCP Applebabe
Moved to "OOPE" channel.
Bwaaa haaaaa, relegated to the dusty back room of EVE O forums ; P
It's called "intelligent discussion."
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming |
Terail Zoqial
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:50:00 -
[106]
Originally by: CCP Applebabe
Moved to "OOPE" channel.
Shouldn't this be in the spam hole that is GD as it's eve related, oope is for non eve related stuff.
Ahh wellz
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Mortisha Drake
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Posted - 2008.10.15 04:05:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Terail Zoqial
Originally by: CCP Applebabe
Moved to "OOPE" channel.
Shouldn't this be in the spam hole that is GD as it's eve related, oope is for non eve related stuff.
Ahh wellz
No OOPE gets used as a buffer zone on occasion to move rant threads to rather than lock them in GD.
Some get moved.... some get locked.
Never seen the rhyme or reason as to which get picked to be moved here myself, honestly I don't think there is any ; \
The main thing is they quickly die once here.
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Gerard Deneth
Caldari
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.10.17 03:25:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 14/10/2008 16:56:40
Originally by: Malcanis
IIRC CCP had already internally disciplined him when the storm broke, and by Icelandic employment law they were absolutely constrained from taking any further action against him. Firing him to appease the players would have been breaking the law.
BS. At the time I downloaded the whole Icelandish law codes. I was really ****ed out with these stupid arguments.
By Icelandish laws or the laws or ANY civilized country's I know, you can fire any employee without justification as long as you pay what is due to him. And there is not such a thing as ALREADY DISCIPLINED. There is no law that says you can't be disciplined and posteriorly fired and I defy you to link me one here.
You're talking about reasonable grounds for dismissal. Most contracts for employment (outside of the US since it is, frankly, a buggered place to work. At-will employment? charmingly amoral) done by a reasonably large business (of which CCP is one) include disciplinary methods. If not, it's part of the company's internal documents. Most likely the first step is a verbal warning, with written afterwards, and either a review process or they go straight to dismissal.
In order to dismiss someone with cause, they have to have either committed a criminal act that relates to their business, or have broken their employment contract (this can be rather tricky ground. Lawyers are traditionally a standard).
Dismissing him without cause generally means a rather substantial severance, depending on local law and on the contract itself. In Canada this can be several months worth pay, at his current pay rate.
I personally think that they looked at what he did and what work he's done, and they decided to whack him over the back of the head and keep him on.
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