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Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.06.25 16:11:00 - [1] A litle bird came flying in threw the window, as it entered the room it fell dead to the floor. As ancient things fall into slumber, one day they shall once again awaken and look upon the universe. Mark my words: The universe has changed, the awakening has begun. To be awakened after a deep slumber, to once look upon what once was. To find what once were a proud race, withered and changed. So few among those who were Amarr and Proud do still follow what we once were, what we were born to be. We will not sit back and watch, the awakening has begun. The time has begun to take back what once were, for those who were asleep are no more in their slumber. The awakening has begun, beware of the gathering! Moved to the Intergalactic Summit forum - Wrangler -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Sacred Blade	Posted - 2004.06.25 16:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Sacred Blade on 29/06/2004 23:27:20 Indeed Citizen, the time has come for the ancients too awaken! Have a good day Citizen's. -- Sacred Blade Sabaoth Representative to Metatron Incorporated
Hardin	Posted - 2004.06.25 16:56:00 - [3] Edited by: Hardin on 25/06/2004 16:59:45 Xetro - you are quite right, those who stand for Amarr are few in number so we welcome your awakening! The Minmatar terrorists have become too confident by half. By the way Sacred Blade I assume (due to your new colours) that you have abandoned Endless and their Minmatar brethern in the Curse homeland?
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.06.25 17:08:00 - [4] Hardin do not speak of what are not in your gasp of knowledge, speak when spoken to and do not assume. Sabaoth Incorporated have at all time given their support to the Sarum heir. As to whom is Sabaoth and who is not? For those who know the history of EVE, Sacred Blade was and still is Sabaoth. The gathering has begun, it is time to reclaim what once was. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Sacred Blade	Posted - 2004.06.25 17:10:00 - [5] Edited by: Sacred Blade on 29/06/2004 23:27:04 Indeed Citizen Hardin I am returning to my brothers, it is time for the awakening! Have a good day Citizen's. -- Sacred Blade Sabaoth Representative to Metatron Incorporated
Ardor	Posted - 2004.06.25 17:14:00 - [6] This words reminds me of a speech from Tuoni Kyri. I don't know if this honest man is still alive. There are many honourable Amarrians I am missing today. I wish amarrian citizens would remember our traditions which gave us our strength. If you ask 10 Amarr citizens today 9 of them don't know the words of our scriptures. They don't know about the Reclaiming. But they will tell you about Pax Amarria.
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.06.25 17:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Ardor This words reminds me of a speech from Tuoni Kyri. I don't know if this honest man is still alive. There are many honourable Amarrians I am missing today. I wish amarrian citizens would remember our traditions which gave us our strength. If you ask 10 Amarr citizens today 9 of them don't know the words of our scriptures. They don't know about the Reclaiming. But they will tell you about Pax Amarria. Speak of the past to learn what the future will hold. You have the past and then you have the knowledge of the past. Seek not only of what once was, but use what all ready is. Amarr and Proud citizen Ardor. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
KnightDelta	Posted - 2004.06.25 18:57:00 - [8] Indeed, a time of change has begun. It is good to see more of the ancients awakening - this is a sign of things to come! Have a good day, citizens. ________________________________ John "KnightDelta" Hicks Director of The Amarr Network
Wahpekute Assiniboine	Posted - 2004.06.25 19:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 25/06/2004 16:59:45 By the way Sacred Blade I assume (due to your new colours) that you have abandoned Endless and their Minmatar brethern in the Curse homeland? Endless and Sabaoth are twin brothers separated only by flesh, yet still bound to each other beyond skin bone and blood. Should one falter, the other shall carry him, such was the the way it was when Endless was awake and Sabaoth sleeping. It was time for the other to take the wheel and drive. Endless I suppose will take a long deserved hiebernation. Ebil has returned. The Minmats have something from their past to fear once again. The only advice I can give the PRM and other Minmat terrorists is: You think PIE was a tough cookie to chew... “The little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcome...” The Prophecy of Macaper, The 5th Event
The Abomination	Posted - 2004.06.25 19:21:00 - [10] Originally by: KnightDelta A time of change has begun. It is good to see more of the ancients awakening - this is a sign of things to come! Indeed ------------------- The Abomination The COSMOS Corporation ------------------- "Why do you insist on utilising this primitive linguistic communication?"
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.06.25 20:53:00 - [11] *pours a chalice* Even though I am stuck out here, deep within the Bleak Lands, recent events spurred on my decision to break open this fine old red. *strokes slaver* I will be watching with interest. Welcome home. ----------------------------------------------
Anla Shok	Posted - 2004.06.25 21:58:00 - [12] To the old times! Welcome back from the Abyss. /me opens a bottle of wine
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.06.27 14:02:00 - [13] This should be fun. Welcome back. Amarr and Proud! [Heterocephalus glaber]
Ciar Meara	Posted - 2004.06.28 00:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Xetro Xerion Hardin do not speak of what are not in your gasp of knowledge, speak when spoken to and do not assume. Sabaoth Incorporated have at all time given their support to the Sarum heir. As to whom is Sabaoth and who is not? For those who know the history of EVE, Sacred Blade was and still is Sabaoth. The gathering has begun, it is time to reclaim what once was. While I respect and honor the Sarum family it is also troubling that as of yet no new heir has been apointed... My loyalities and that of each Amarr should lie with the Emperor first, though although a I personally almost exclusivly work for the security departement of the Sarum family myself. Knowing that Sarum has always followed the Emperor and protected the Empire to the last. Meanwhile I would show some respect to those who have continued the struggle for Amarr security and have kept the great Cause of the reclaming alive. Especially one as yourself Xetro, who has not even an incling of standing with Sarum. PIE Inc A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Dorian Aredes	Posted - 2004.06.28 01:11:00 - [15] Monsieur Xerion, I can only hope that your mystic fervor does not extend beyond the boundaries of your scared and insecure soul.
Ardor	Posted - 2004.06.28 08:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Ciar Meara Meanwhile I would show some respect to those who have continued the struggle for Amarr security and have kept the great Cause of the reclaming alive. Especially one as yourself Xetro, who has not even an incling of standing with Sarum. Ciar, you know I am neither Sabaoth nor PIE/CVA. I have a lot of respect for the work of the CVA because of your struggle to protect the Empire against Minmatar terrorists and I saw the CVA doing this work almost exclusively. But how can you say you 'have kept the great cause of the Reclaiming alive'? You are preaching Pax Amarria. The Reclaiming and Pax Amarria are two completly different ideas. I've bought and read Pax Amarria. After that I've burned this unholy book. I know the CVA like all amarrian citizens from the Empire are in a very difficult situation. But you must realize that neither Heideran nor Doriam were/are God's chosen one. Only if you worship Khanid II you can see the truth. I know you've read the scriptures. Please do it once more. Especially Kuria 4:23. "For forty millenniums we struggled in the desert. Time of infinity to grief our misgivings. Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance. One can repent and pray for forgiveness. But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man. The stars above will not weep for us parting. The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance. The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence. Only in God can we thrive and grow. Only God." I am aware that neither the loyalists nor those who are living in exile, because they dont recognize Doriam, will agree with me. But I feel it's my duty as a God fearing Amarr to share my ideals with you. The future will tell and I hope this future is coming soon. The Amarr Empire can not allow another 500 years of incompetence. God bless the King
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.06.28 08:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Ciar Meara Meanwhile I would show some respect to those who have continued the struggle for Amarr security and have kept the great Cause of the reclaming alive. Especially one as yourself Xetro, who has not even an incling of standing with Sarum. PIE Inc. never upheld the Reclaiming. You're a defensive corporation, the Reclaiming is an agressive concept. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.06.28 09:52:00 - [18] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/06/2004 09:54:33 Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Ciar Meara Meanwhile I would show some respect to those who have continued the struggle for Amarr security and have kept the great Cause of the reclaming alive. Especially one as yourself Xetro, who has not even an incling of standing with Sarum. PIE Inc. never upheld the Reclaiming. You're a defensive corporation, the Reclaiming is an agressive concept. I'm sure you'll see a lot of support from PIE for The Reclaiming if and when The Emperor decides it's time to resume. As of this moment though, Doriam II has a policy of engagement rather than conquest, and so where possible we use peaceful means of educating our inferiors of the benefits of joining the Empire. It may well be that you do not agree with all aspects of his leadership, but the fact remains that Doriam II's word is law. Meanwhile, Ardor, if you closely examine both The Scriptures and the Pax Amarria, you will see that they are not that different in their aims - they just espouse different methodologies in maintaining and extending the continued dominance of the Amarrian Empire. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Ciar Meara	Posted - 2004.06.28 23:16:00 - [19] Sometimes is hard for me to face my brothers without dissapointment. The Reclaiming, the Cause, the englightenment of the universe, these are all different words for the same thing. The spreading of the true faith and empire among the stars by any means that is needed for it at that time. Are you so blind to see no further then the laser? I look deeper I combine my faith and the scripture together with a hard hand, and together, such a combination will shake the foundations of the universe. PIE Inc A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Freekill	Posted - 2004.06.29 22:04:00 - [20] The Reclaiming is a way of life not an order the Emperor gives. Although the last Emperor was loved by all the Pax is not his best work. Have a glorious day citizens. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.06.29 23:27:00 - [21] Edited by: Xetro Xerion on 29/06/2004 23:44:15 I have to say that I am a little honored knowing that I have been checked by certain PIE members. There are two types, those who do talk about a better future and follow the wave. And those who serve and act by what they follow. There is hope in words, but you are what you are by the way you act. Do not become to blind in what is it is time to take action once again. Some chooses word, other will choose the laser. Open your eyes it has began, the gathering is here. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Mijstor Jedann	Posted - 2004.06.30 00:09:00 - [22] Blessed is our Lady Sarum Hail to the great Sulei Manatir AMARR AND PROUD! This news brings hope in a world of corruption and lost ways. Godspeed, Sabaoth. ____________________ "Amarr alone, delivered herself."
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.06.30 00:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Discorporation PIE Inc. never upheld the Reclaiming. You're a defensive corporation, the Reclaiming is an agressive concept. So if you are right regarding our defensive stance, now there might be a balancing of this, with the reemergence of Sabaoth through Metatron Incorporated? As I said earlier, I watch with interest. ----------------------------------------------
Freekill	Posted - 2004.06.30 00:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Gaius Kador So if you are right regarding our defensive stance, now there might be a balancing of this, with the reemergence of Sabaoth through Metatron Incorporated? As I said earlier, I watch with interest. Our role in Metatron is purely of the guiding nature. The extent of our relations will be revealed when the time is right. So by all means keep on watching. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Hardin	Posted - 2004.06.30 01:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Xetro Xerion There are two types, those who do talk about a better future and follow the wave. And those who serve and act by what they follow. There is hope in words, but you are what you are by the way you act. EXACTLY - it will be good to see some action backing up your rhetoric
Dau Imperius	Posted - 2004.06.30 04:49:00 - [26] I sense a small divide between PIE and Sabaoth/Meta here. One claims action for the reclaiming and the Sarum family ways, the other action for the defense of the Empire and the Emperor? Divided loyalties? Never a good thing, no matter what the intentions are. I smell civil war should Sarum dominate, and even though the reclaiming would bring our Empire back, it would also amount to nothing more then a war worse then the Jovian affair, and the houses would be divded once again as it rolled on. And as to the Emperors thoughts? Our leader would be placed in quite a box...The Gallente would become involved, and then there is the tricky Caldari side...they may just easily support both sides of a war economically. Take your actions carefully. Consequences are far more reaching once you up the stakes. I wish both corporations Godspeed. I only hope I am chewing my own words once the Minmatar terorists are finally silenced from Amarr space.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.06.30 07:00:00 - [27] All you youngins take note of Sabaoth and its ways Its about time they have come back, KnightDelta can vouch that I have been pushing for them to put their foot down for Sarum for some time now Glad you are all back, now where is the rest of the old gang? <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2004.06.30 09:37:00 - [28] Edited by: Jim Hawkins on 30/06/2004 09:43:27 Two things from me. First, welcome back Sabaoth. Your reawakening is most welcome and I await your renewed contribution to our mighty Empire with great anticipation. Second, having read through these posts it seems there is some confusion over what PIE stands for. I'd like to clear this up... Mission statement PIE's main focus has and will continue to be external threats to the Amarr Empire. That definition of Empire includes the legitimate Emperor, our Scriptures, our traditions and way of life. External threats include Minmatar terrorists and pirates that prey on Amarrian citizens engaged in lawful business activities. Aims and objectives * We will uphold our scriptures and traditions and defend these with our lives from internal and external forces that seek their ruination. * The word of our Emperor is law and we will uphold the word of the Emperor. * We will act with honour at all times, in victory and in defeat. We have lived by these principles since our inception over a year ago and I hope this leaves no-one in any doubt as to what PIE stands for. If you do have any questions, please feel free to contact Hardin, myself or any number of our staff in space. PS - Deathwing, your siggy is truly grim
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.06.30 09:41:00 - [29] Edited by: Xetro Xerion on 30/06/2004 09:50:27 Edited by: Xetro Xerion on 30/06/2004 09:49:20 Originally by: Mijstor Jedann Blessed is our Lady Sarum Hail to the great Sulei Manatir AMARR AND PROUD! This news brings hope in a world of corruption and lost ways. Godspeed, Sabaoth. Amarr and Proud citizen Mijstor Jedann. Originally by: Hardin EXACTLY - it will be good to see some action backing up your rhetoric The cloudness is breaking, it warms my hearth to see that you are opening your eyes Hardin. To you I greet, Amarr and Proud citizen Hardin. Originally by: Deathwing All you youngins take note of Sabaoth and its ways Its about time they have come back, KnightDelta can vouch that I have been pushing for them to put their foot down for Sarum for some time now Glad you are all back, now where is the rest of the old gang? I aquire to a DNA sample of you Deathwing, so that we are sure you have not been tampered with. But do not be alert, the Neo Citizen program can cure the worst in all of us. Amarr and Proud citizen Deathwing. Originally by: Jim Hawkins Edited by: Jim Hawkins on 30/06/2004 09:43:27 Two things from me. First, welcome back Sabaoth. Your reawakening is most welcome and I await your renewed contribution to our mighty Empire with great anticipation. Second, having read through these posts it seems there is some confusion over what PIE stands for. I'd like to clear this up... Mission statement PIE's main focus has and will continue to be external threats to the Amarr Empire. That definition of Empire includes the legitimate Emperor, our Scriptures, our traditions and way of life. External threats include Minmatar terrorists and pirates that prey on Amarrian citizens engaged in lawful business activities. Aims and objectives * We will uphold our scriptures and traditions and defend these with our lives from internal and external forces that seek their ruination. * The word of our Emperor is law and we will uphold the word of the Emperor. * We will act with honour at all times, in victory and in defeat. We have lived by these principles since our inception over a year ago and I hope this leaves no-one in any doubt as to what PIE stands for. If you do have any questions, please feel free to contact Hardin, myself or any number of our staff in space. PS - Deathwing, your siggy is truly grim To you Jim Hawkins, mybe you should do your own thread and explain to the once that are in confusion over what PIE stands for. And open your eyes, we all serve. But see the difference between serving blind and to serve to build a better future for the Empire of Amarrians Of the Metatron issue that has begun to come up, Sabaoth are representatives of Metatron . I'm sure they will show them self when the time is right, the Awakening has begun. It is time to for the Gathering, all in due time. We learn from the past, to look upon the future and what is to be. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Ardor	Posted - 2004.06.30 09:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Xetro Xerion There are two types, those who do talk about a better future and follow the wave. And those who serve and act by what they follow. There is hope in words, but you are what you are by the way you act. EXACTLY - it will be good to see some action backing up your rhetoric Xetro, Sabaoth was the first amarrian corporation. THE amarrian corporation in the past (beta). Sabaoth has a major influence on the daily live for each amarrian even today and even if most amarrians don't know it. I would love to see Sabaoth coming back and regaining the old strength. I dislike the CVA because of their blind loyality towards Doriam and Pax Amarria. I like the CVA for their great endeavour to protect amarrian citizens from minmatar terrorists and pirates. Hardin has a valid point. It is you making the talk while the CVA is fighting vs Minmatar corps like Oracle and The Peoples Front Of Minmatar for more than 1 year.
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.06.30 09:56:00 - [31] Do I smell hostilities between PIE and Sabaoth? Or are those my feet? [Heterocephalus glaber]
Hardin	Posted - 2004.06.30 10:07:00 - [32] Edited by: Hardin on 30/06/2004 10:09:23 There is no hostility... We are after all both working for the greater good of the Amarr empire...
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.06.30 10:12:00 - [33] Quote: I aquire to a DNA sample of you Deathwing, so that we are sure you have not been tampered with. But do not be alert, the Neo Citizen program can cure the worst in all of us. Amarr and Proud citizen Deathwing. Indeed citizen I am glad to see Sabaoth return to us once again, but I think the cryo cycle has damaged you or perhaps you have not been filled in and brought up to date on the people within the Amarr Empire these days. I am Deathwing son, Amarr by blood and by heart. No one challenges that claim as I have stood by my beleifs in the Empire for far longer then I care to remember. I am one of the most notorious slavers in the Amarr Empire, buying and seilling in the finest of slaves from all over the known galaxy. When Doriam the puppet Emperor was at his fancy inaguration, I was the one who in the name of the Lady Sarum opened my guns up and let hell loose on him while others watched from the shadows. Perhaps you are the one who should be supplying the DNA evidence to prove who you claim to be? Questioning a man such as myself on my beliefs in the Empire. Do not cross me again I have killed men for far less then your insult Have a nice day citizen Xerion Deathwing <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.06.30 10:49:00 - [34] This Reclaiming lark... Sanctioned by Concord is it? --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.06.30 11:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Lorna Doone This Reclaiming lark... Sanctioned by Concord is it? Sanctioned by God, which is good enough for most Amarrians [Heterocephalus glaber]
Freekill	Posted - 2004.06.30 12:29:00 - [36] I wouldn't call it hostility...rather call it adjustment. We are like 2 slaver hounds just meeting for the first time. We need to size each other up. Get all the views clear and so on. Besides a true Amarrian would never fight with his brothers. Have a glorious day citizens. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Golan Trevize	Posted - 2004.06.30 12:40:00 - [37] From:TES Fury Punisher class. Location:PIE Forward Outpost Classified. Commanding officer:Adm. Trevize PIE-CEO/Fleetcommander. *SHORT BURST TRANSMISSION* There is no conflict between the Praetorians and my esteemed amarrian brothers in Sabaoth-inc, this is purely wishfull thinking from the subhuman agitators, Amarr do not fight Amarr such acts of babarism we leave to the lesser races. We may not share the same views but in the end we share the same goal, and our friendship is unquestionable. *TRANSMISSION ENDS* The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
Ciar Meara	Posted - 2004.06.30 12:59:00 - [38] PIE is one of the ten first corperations created in EVE, when the universe was fresh and vibrant. Naming us younglings is nothing but mere boasting. Many of us are old men now, surviving the earlier trials of Alpha and Beta to see the light in the rime of the Release. We have fought the enemies of the Amarr Empire those who view our way of live and our Scriptures with scorn for more then a year now, and shall do so until the ending of the universe. However I disgree with some that say there is dissention in Amarr, Sarum has always been the most loyal of houses and would never, NEVER undermine the stability of the Empire to do so would endanger our way of live. While the current emperor is labelled a "liberal" by some, he has not done anything to deserve his reputation as a danger to the Cause. He has in fact strengthend our institutions and his reforms in slavery and leadership have only served to clear up centuries old uncertaintees and conflicting laws. I personally would not have chosen Doriam as Emperor but it is not my choice to make, that choice was decided in a bout of honor, with equal chances to all, Eclipticum the emperor champion won all 4 of his matches defeating all that stood against him, flying amarr vessels. There is none that could have gone better, his clear victory was a brilliant sign of the Choise of God, Truly God was eclipticum's wingman. I myself fought for the House of Kador, but was unable to persue the combat to its fullest because of lack of wingmen at a late hour. But me and my wingman Caya did put up a good show and fought 2 vs 4 with ourselve dowing one each and damaging a third. I thought Kador and the old ways of the empire might have been a better choice, seeing that Sarum's militairy reclaiming was for the moment not for the good of the empire. But I still hold great respect for it, perhaps more then any other house apart from the Emperor family. PIE Inc A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.06.30 13:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Discorporation Do I smell hostilities between PIE and Sabaoth? Or are those my feet? Citizen Discorporation, its always good to read your posts. But there are no hostility between this two corps. We are different in whom we serve, and our ideals are not PIE ideals. We follow one of the heir families, and we will still support the Sarum family. Our loyalty to not change if another family heir is set on the throne. And we will defend the Empire in anyway possible from outside hostile influence. Originally by: Deathwing Indeed citizen I am glad to see Sabaoth return to us once again, but I think the cryo cycle has damaged you or perhaps you have not been filled in and brought up to date on the people within the Amarr Empire these days. I am Deathwing son, Amarr by blood and by heart. No one challenges that claim as I have stood by my beleifs in the Empire for far longer then I care to remember. I am one of the most notorious slavers in the Amarr Empire, buying and seilling in the finest of slaves from all over the known galaxy. When Doriam the puppet Emperor was at his fancy inaguration, I was the one who in the name of the Lady Sarum opened my guns up and let hell loose on him while others watched from the shadows. Perhaps you are the one who should be supplying the DNA evidence to prove who you claim to be? Questioning a man such as myself on my beliefs in the Empire. Do not cross me again I have killed men for far less then your insult Have a nice day citizen Xerion Deathwing Insult, I see no insult but a claim to who you are. Speak not of killing Amarrians, you should dock for a while and rest. Travelling to long in space can make the best of us see things. No one is questioning your service to the Empire, I have even seen Caldari do good service towards the Empire. Be well Citizen Deathwing, the gathering is coming and you are welcome. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.06.30 13:17:00 - [40] Excellent. For a brief moment, I thought that we would have a similar situation as the minmatar republic face. I'm pleased that this is not the case. Forgive me for doubting. I have had no reason to do otherwise until now. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.06.30 13:40:00 - [41] What the hell is this alpha, beta and release that everyone keeps banging on about? Various stages of booster-induced hallucinations? --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.06.30 14:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Lorna Doone What the hell is this alpha, beta and release that everyone keeps banging on about? Various stages of booster-induced hallucinations? I believe it refers to the different stages of the introduction of pod technology. Early "Alpha" pods were notoriously unstable and required constant tinkering in order to work. "Beta" pods were more widespread, more reliable and offered more control options. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.01 01:03:00 - [43] Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 01/07/2004 01:05:22 Originally by: Ardor I dislike the CVA because of their blind loyality towards Doriam and Pax Amarria. Come now Ardor, there's no need to cast the CVA into a single mold. The Dark Seraph are fanatical Sarum supporters, originally founded by former Sabaoth members. Word has it that Kular and his people raid Minmatar space for slaves in the spirit of the old reclaiming ways. Imperial Dreams are some of the most wealthy business people and industrialists (good fighters too!) in Amarr space. I believe that they are partial to the Tash-Murkon family for this reason. Personally, my family has lived in Sarum space for generations, and we have always been active members of the Theological Council. The rest of PIE is split many ways on whom they hold as a favoured Heir. I do not "blindly follow" Doriam Kor-Azor II. I obey the wishes of our Emperor because Eclipticum and his wingmate won the Holy Championship both fair and square and by the Will of God. Eclipticum displayed skill and ability beyond those that the other champions possessed. He deserved the Imperial Apoc, he deserved having a planet named after him, and he deserved to have his chosen Heir named Emperor. Those who followed and participated in the Championship have little room to debate this, they were there, and the other champions put up a great fight. Unfortunately they lost. If another champion had won they would certainly expect the same rewards (not to mention a little respect for their chosen heir). Our alliance represents Amarr from all walks of life. Some of us would be overjoyed to see reclaiming start again (including me). As soon as Sarum chooses an heir, I imagine it will start again. I doubt that this will cause a civil war. Every Heir enjoys a great degree of freedom in their respecive territories. Doriam will not likely stop the Sarum family from having a little fun with the Minmatar rebels. --------------------------------- --
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.01 01:03:00 - [44] Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 01/07/2004 01:05:22 Originally by: Ardor I dislike the CVA because of their blind loyality towards Doriam and Pax Amarria. Come now Ardor, there's no need to cast the CVA into a single mold. The Dark Seraph are fanatical Sarum supporters, originally founded by former Sabaoth members. Word has it that Kular and his people raid Minmatar space for slaves in the spirit of the old reclaiming ways. Imperial Dreams are some of the most wealthy business people and industrialists (good fighters too!) in Amarr space. I believe that they are partial to the Tash-Murkon family for this reason. Personally, my family has lived in Sarum space for generations, and we have always been active members of the Theological Council. The rest of PIE is split many ways on whom they hold as a favoured Heir. I do not "blindly follow" Doriam Kor-Azor II. I obey the wishes of our Emperor because Eclipticum and his wingmate won the Holy Championship both fair and square and by the Will of God. Eclipticum displayed skill and ability beyond those that the other champions possessed. He deserved the Imperial Apoc, he deserved having a planet named after him, and he deserved to have his chosen Heir named Emperor. Those who followed and participated in the Championship have little room to debate this, they were there, and the other champions put up a great fight. Unfortunately they lost. If another champion had won they would certainly expect the same rewards (not to mention a little respect for their chosen heir). Our alliance represents Amarr from all walks of life. Some of us would be overjoyed to see reclaiming start again (including me). As soon as Sarum chooses an heir, I imagine it will start again. I doubt that this will cause a civil war. Every Heir enjoys a great degree of freedom in their respecive territories. Doriam will not likely stop the Sarum family from having a little fun with the Minmatar rebels. --------------------------------- --
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.01 03:10:00 - [45] Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 01/07/2004 03:19:58 Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 01/07/2004 03:11:32 Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Ciar Meara Meanwhile I would show some respect to those who have continued the struggle for Amarr security and have kept the great Cause of the reclaming alive. Especially one as yourself Xetro, who has not even an incling of standing with Sarum. PIE Inc. never upheld the Reclaiming. You're a defensive corporation, the Reclaiming is an agressive concept. If PIE is the shield of the Amarrian Empire, then so be it! Amarr has been waiting far too long for a sword to quell the rebel uprising in our Matari province. The shield and the sword have no reason to cross words, we were forged for completely different purposes! Of course we are not meant to agree on everything. I wish Sabaoth the best! May they soon celebrate complete victory over the Matari animals, and I pray that you install a new Amarrian military governor in Pator. Originally by: Freekill The Reclaiming is a way of life not an order the Emperor gives. Although the last Emperor was loved by all the Pax is not his best work. Have a glorious day citizens. I haveve a signed copy of Heideran's book. I received it as a reward for recent combat operations against Minmatar terrorists in which I was gravely injured. While it is not my favorite thing to read, it is terribly precious to me. It is hard for me to believe that book was held once by Heideran's sacred flesh. This is a signed copy, with Heideran's signature at the front: "Semper Pax. Heideran VII". --
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.01 03:10:00 - [46] Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 01/07/2004 03:19:58 Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 01/07/2004 03:11:32 Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Ciar Meara Meanwhile I would show some respect to those who have continued the struggle for Amarr security and have kept the great Cause of the reclaming alive. Especially one as yourself Xetro, who has not even an incling of standing with Sarum. PIE Inc. never upheld the Reclaiming. You're a defensive corporation, the Reclaiming is an agressive concept. If PIE is the shield of the Amarrian Empire, then so be it! Amarr has been waiting far too long for a sword to quell the rebel uprising in our Matari province. The shield and the sword have no reason to cross words, we were forged for completely different purposes! Of course we are not meant to agree on everything. I wish Sabaoth the best! May they soon celebrate complete victory over the Matari animals, and I pray that you install a new Amarrian military governor in Pator. Originally by: Freekill The Reclaiming is a way of life not an order the Emperor gives. Although the last Emperor was loved by all the Pax is not his best work. Have a glorious day citizens. I haveve a signed copy of Heideran's book. I received it as a reward for recent combat operations against Minmatar terrorists in which I was gravely injured. While it is not my favorite thing to read, it is terribly precious to me. It is hard for me to believe that book was held once by Heideran's sacred flesh. This is a signed copy, with Heideran's signature at the front: "Semper Pax. Heideran VII". --
Tuoni Kyri	Posted - 2004.07.01 05:55:00 - [47] The communications channels opened with a slight spark of static. The com-center processors franticly trying to filter out the interference caused by a long distance transmission "To the people of Sabaoth and the Metatron, i bid you a warm welcome. Your words and spirit have been long missed. To the Praetorians i say - well done, you have protected the dim flame from the darkness of the unbelief and corruption. "But to all Ammarrians i ask, why have you only looked on from afar? Where is the fuel for the fire?As God said to our first Emperor - Thy folly is great, thou hast rejected those I sent to thee in thine hour of need. Thou must redeem thyself to me by thy own merits. " Indeed is the folly of the Amarr great, for we are a house not just divided, but a house scattered. We have chosen to forget our God given task - the land has split against thou, thou must make war upon thy enemies to reclaim what is justly thine - but instead, we smile and clasp hands with our enemeies, and bow to their commands." The figure removes his hood, and stares intensly out of the viewscreen. "I shall answer the challenge. Even though i am an old man, old enough to be a father to many here, i have joined with the children in learning to be a pilot, and learning how to bring the fight to the corruptors of our ways. "Amarr, awake!"
Tuoni Kyri	Posted - 2004.07.01 05:55:00 - [48] The communications channels opened with a slight spark of static. The com-center processors franticly trying to filter out the interference caused by a long distance transmission "To the people of Sabaoth and the Metatron, i bid you a warm welcome. Your words and spirit have been long missed. To the Praetorians i say - well done, you have protected the dim flame from the darkness of the unbelief and corruption. "But to all Ammarrians i ask, why have you only looked on from afar? Where is the fuel for the fire?As God said to our first Emperor - Thy folly is great, thou hast rejected those I sent to thee in thine hour of need. Thou must redeem thyself to me by thy own merits. " Indeed is the folly of the Amarr great, for we are a house not just divided, but a house scattered. We have chosen to forget our God given task - the land has split against thou, thou must make war upon thy enemies to reclaim what is justly thine - but instead, we smile and clasp hands with our enemeies, and bow to their commands." The figure removes his hood, and stares intensly out of the viewscreen. "I shall answer the challenge. Even though i am an old man, old enough to be a father to many here, i have joined with the children in learning to be a pilot, and learning how to bring the fight to the corruptors of our ways. "Amarr, awake!"
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.01 12:54:00 - [49] A little note of remark: A little boy feel to the ground, a passing woman said to the boy that he should stand up and stop feeling sorry for him self. The boy stood up and they went different ways. And greetings to you citizen Tuoni Kyri, it warms me to see that the Kyri family are still around. Open your eyes, awake to see, the gathering has begun. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.01 12:54:00 - [50] A little note of remark: A little boy feel to the ground, a passing woman said to the boy that he should stand up and stop feeling sorry for him self. The boy stood up and they went different ways. And greetings to you citizen Tuoni Kyri, it warms me to see that the Kyri family are still around. Open your eyes, awake to see, the gathering has begun. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Majaraw Awalabas	Posted - 2004.07.01 15:11:00 - [51] While you prefer others to sit in the throne your loyalty to the Emperor should never waver. Undermining the Emperor undermines the Empire. The Empire comes before the individual. This includes you.
Majaraw Awalabas	Posted - 2004.07.01 15:11:00 - [52] While you prefer others to sit in the throne your loyalty to the Emperor should never waver. Undermining the Emperor undermines the Empire. The Empire comes before the individual. This includes you.
Freekill	Posted - 2004.07.01 15:34:00 - [53] Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas While you prefer others to sit in the throne your loyalty to the Emperor should never waver. Undermining the Emperor undermines the Empire. The Empire comes before the individual. This includes you. Nobody is looking to undermine the Emperor but you can not follow blindly either. Open your eyes. Make your own decisions. Dollow the scriptures and you will be doing god's will. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Freekill	Posted - 2004.07.01 15:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas While you prefer others to sit in the throne your loyalty to the Emperor should never waver. Undermining the Emperor undermines the Empire. The Empire comes before the individual. This includes you. Nobody is looking to undermine the Emperor but you can not follow blindly either. Open your eyes. Make your own decisions. Dollow the scriptures and you will be doing god's will. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.01 15:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas While you prefer others to sit in the throne your loyalty to the Emperor should never waver. Undermining the Emperor undermines the Empire. The Empire comes before the individual. This includes you. Citizen Majaraw Awalabas. We are all Amarr, born and raised. But we cannot sit back to see foreign forces influence what we as a nation has build. Look not to serve blind, open your eyes and look upon what needs to be done. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.01 15:37:00 - [56] Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas While you prefer others to sit in the throne your loyalty to the Emperor should never waver. Undermining the Emperor undermines the Empire. The Empire comes before the individual. This includes you. Citizen Majaraw Awalabas. We are all Amarr, born and raised. But we cannot sit back to see foreign forces influence what we as a nation has build. Look not to serve blind, open your eyes and look upon what needs to be done. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Terminal Worker	Posted - 2004.07.02 17:41:00 - [57] Quote: Glad you are all back, now where is the rest of the old gang? Have patience. Ships are moved, assets change accounts, the core is coming back together once again. Have a nice day, citizen. Lostalus Black Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incorporated Embracing the future, honoring the past.
Terminal Worker	Posted - 2004.07.02 17:41:00 - [58] Quote: Glad you are all back, now where is the rest of the old gang? Have patience. Ships are moved, assets change accounts, the core is coming back together once again. Have a nice day, citizen. Lostalus Black Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incorporated Embracing the future, honoring the past.
Ardor	Posted - 2004.07.02 18:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra Come now Ardor, there's no need to cast the CVA into a single mold. Excuse me. I confounded PIE policy with CVA policy. Is there a CVA policy? PIE says: "The word of our Emperor is law and we will uphold the word of the Emperor." PIE says: "We will uphold our scriptures and traditions and defend these with our lives from internal and external forces that seek their ruination." A review from Pax Amarria says: "His (Heideran) determination and powers of persuasion have compelled his own people and others to sacrifice many things they thought sacred to ensure that tranquility will prevail, now and forever." Is it only me who can see the dilemma? I've burned Pax Amarria. In no way Pax Amarria is reflecting the spirit of the Reclaiming. Doriam continues the way of Heideran. Giving out signed copies of Pax Amarria as reward is prove enough for me. Those who claim loyality towards the house Sarum should remember that Lady Jamyl Sarum called the succession heretic. She never recognized Doriam as Emperor. House Sarum has not recognized Doriam as Emperor. Should Doriam demand the heads of those who attacked him (f.e. Deathwing) would you follow the order of Doriam or would you support the rebels? This is the question each so called Sarum supporter should ask himself. My monastery will always call Deathwing and all the others welcome as guests if they need a safe haven. Tuoni Kyri, I am so glad to see you still alive. We never met but I hope we can do this one day. I can understand your desire to fight yourself but I say let the younger pilots do it. Your strength is your wisdom. You are by far more powerful and needed as an orator.
Ardor	Posted - 2004.07.02 18:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra Come now Ardor, there's no need to cast the CVA into a single mold. Excuse me. I confounded PIE policy with CVA policy. Is there a CVA policy? PIE says: "The word of our Emperor is law and we will uphold the word of the Emperor." PIE says: "We will uphold our scriptures and traditions and defend these with our lives from internal and external forces that seek their ruination." A review from Pax Amarria says: "His (Heideran) determination and powers of persuasion have compelled his own people and others to sacrifice many things they thought sacred to ensure that tranquility will prevail, now and forever." Is it only me who can see the dilemma? I've burned Pax Amarria. In no way Pax Amarria is reflecting the spirit of the Reclaiming. Doriam continues the way of Heideran. Giving out signed copies of Pax Amarria as reward is prove enough for me. Those who claim loyality towards the house Sarum should remember that Lady Jamyl Sarum called the succession heretic. She never recognized Doriam as Emperor. House Sarum has not recognized Doriam as Emperor. Should Doriam demand the heads of those who attacked him (f.e. Deathwing) would you follow the order of Doriam or would you support the rebels? This is the question each so called Sarum supporter should ask himself. My monastery will always call Deathwing and all the others welcome as guests if they need a safe haven. Tuoni Kyri, I am so glad to see you still alive. We never met but I hope we can do this one day. I can understand your desire to fight yourself but I say let the younger pilots do it. Your strength is your wisdom. You are by far more powerful and needed as an orator.
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2004.07.02 22:29:00 - [61] The Amarr empire shall burn, along with it's filth, hipocrasy and corruption. The Amarr are no match for the full wrath of the Federation. If there weren't for that god damn politicians.
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2004.07.02 22:29:00 - [62] The Amarr empire shall burn, along with it's filth, hipocrasy and corruption. The Amarr are no match for the full wrath of the Federation. If there weren't for that god damn politicians.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.07.02 23:44:00 - [63] Thankyou for your kind words Ardor Should I ever need to pay a visit to your sanctuary I will be sure to bring the cookies and milk And Steini you liberal, Gallente pig dog. Shut your speach hole before I blow it clear off your face. <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.07.02 23:44:00 - [64] Thankyou for your kind words Ardor Should I ever need to pay a visit to your sanctuary I will be sure to bring the cookies and milk And Steini you liberal, Gallente pig dog. Shut your speach hole before I blow it clear off your face. <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.03 00:20:00 - [65] Originally by: Deathwing And Steini you liberal, Gallente pig dog. Shut your speach hole before I blow it clear off your face. This forum is not an Amarrian forum. I disagree with what all the slavers say on these forums, yet I would fight to the death to defend their right to say it. Mr Deathwing, if you wish to censor what people say, I suggest you open up your own forums, where you and you alone can decide what gets said and what doesn't. --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.03 00:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Deathwing And Steini you liberal, Gallente pig dog. Shut your speach hole before I blow it clear off your face. This forum is not an Amarrian forum. I disagree with what all the slavers say on these forums, yet I would fight to the death to defend their right to say it. Mr Deathwing, if you wish to censor what people say, I suggest you open up your own forums, where you and you alone can decide what gets said and what doesn't. --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Dorian Aredes	Posted - 2004.07.03 03:22:00 - [67] Edited by: Dorian Aredes on 03/07/2004 03:24:10 Quote: Mr Deathwing, if you wish to censor what people say, I suggest you open up your own forums, where you and you alone can decide what gets said and what doesn't. Agreed. This is not the opressed confines of your Theocracy, M. Deathwing. Despite what your primitive belief system entails, the rest of the galaxy enjoys the splendors of individualism and free speech.
Dorian Aredes	Posted - 2004.07.03 03:22:00 - [68] Edited by: Dorian Aredes on 03/07/2004 03:24:10 Quote: Mr Deathwing, if you wish to censor what people say, I suggest you open up your own forums, where you and you alone can decide what gets said and what doesn't. Agreed. This is not the opressed confines of your Theocracy, M. Deathwing. Despite what your primitive belief system entails, the rest of the galaxy enjoys the splendors of individualism and free speech.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.07.03 07:21:00 - [69] Quote: Mr Deathwing, if you wish to censor what people say, I suggest you open up your own forums, where you and you alone can decide what gets said and what doesn't. www.Amarr.net The Amarr Network - By Amarrians, For Amarrians Quote: Agreed. This is not the opressed confines of your Theocracy, M. Deathwing. Despite what your primitive belief system entails, the rest of the galaxy enjoys the splendors of individualism and free speech. I never said you could not enjoy the fruits of your indavidualism and free speech. I simply expressed that fact that if you enjoy those "luxuries" in a way that I find disspleasing, I will make it a point to let you know. <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.07.03 07:21:00 - [70] Quote: Mr Deathwing, if you wish to censor what people say, I suggest you open up your own forums, where you and you alone can decide what gets said and what doesn't. www.Amarr.net The Amarr Network - By Amarrians, For Amarrians Quote: Agreed. This is not the opressed confines of your Theocracy, M. Deathwing. Despite what your primitive belief system entails, the rest of the galaxy enjoys the splendors of individualism and free speech. I never said you could not enjoy the fruits of your indavidualism and free speech. I simply expressed that fact that if you enjoy those "luxuries" in a way that I find disspleasing, I will make it a point to let you know. <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.07.03 16:18:00 - [71] Edited by: Gaius Kador on 03/07/2004 16:20:34 Originally by: Ardor Excuse me. I confounded PIE policy with CVA policy. Is there a CVA policy? This thread does not concern PIE or the CVA. Address your questions on another thread, or contact Hardin through EVE mail. Edit: I have very little patience left for your incessant gnawing and borderline heresy. ----------------------------------------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.07.03 16:18:00 - [72] Edited by: Gaius Kador on 03/07/2004 16:20:34 Originally by: Ardor Excuse me. I confounded PIE policy with CVA policy. Is there a CVA policy? This thread does not concern PIE or the CVA. Address your questions on another thread, or contact Hardin through EVE mail. Edit: I have very little patience left for your incessant gnawing and borderline heresy. ----------------------------------------------
Ardor	Posted - 2004.07.03 23:04:00 - [73] Indeed this thread isn't about PIE nor the CVA. It's about the return of Sabaoth and the return of the Reclaiming. The Relaiming and Pax Amarria are contrary. I think it's important to know for everybody who claims to be for the Reclaiming that he can not preach the Pax. You can not have both. Do you honestly believe the Gallente would give the Aidonis Statue to an Emperor who is acting in the spirit of the Reclaiming? Of course you and many other amarrians dislike my words, Gaius Kador. But I don't care how much patience you have or not have. I will not stop to point out what was wrong with Heideran and what is wrong with Doriam. Both did/do not follow the spirit of the Reclaiming. My goal always was and always will be a united amarrian race under one strong Emperor and the return of the reclaiming. Pax Amarria and Doriam have to be removed. And nobody will stop me fighting for this goal.
Ardor	Posted - 2004.07.03 23:04:00 - [74] Indeed this thread isn't about PIE nor the CVA. It's about the return of Sabaoth and the return of the Reclaiming. The Relaiming and Pax Amarria are contrary. I think it's important to know for everybody who claims to be for the Reclaiming that he can not preach the Pax. You can not have both. Do you honestly believe the Gallente would give the Aidonis Statue to an Emperor who is acting in the spirit of the Reclaiming? Of course you and many other amarrians dislike my words, Gaius Kador. But I don't care how much patience you have or not have. I will not stop to point out what was wrong with Heideran and what is wrong with Doriam. Both did/do not follow the spirit of the Reclaiming. My goal always was and always will be a united amarrian race under one strong Emperor and the return of the reclaiming. Pax Amarria and Doriam have to be removed. And nobody will stop me fighting for this goal.
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.07.04 02:41:00 - [75] Very well, watch this space. ----------------------------------------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.07.04 02:41:00 - [76] Very well, watch this space. ----------------------------------------------
Freekill	Posted - 2004.07.04 23:35:00 - [77] Originally by: Ardor My goal always was and always will be a united amarrian race under one strong Emperor and the return of the reclaiming. Pax Amarria and Doriam have to be removed. And nobody will stop me fighting for this goal. Although Sabaoth champions the Reclaiming how do you intend to remove God's right hand from a throne he rightfully gained through the championship. Open violence might not always be the solution. We must find a way to influence the Emperor somehow. Make him see the truth. Sabaoth WILL find a way. Have a glorious day citizen. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Freekill	Posted - 2004.07.04 23:35:00 - [78] Originally by: Ardor My goal always was and always will be a united amarrian race under one strong Emperor and the return of the reclaiming. Pax Amarria and Doriam have to be removed. And nobody will stop me fighting for this goal. Although Sabaoth champions the Reclaiming how do you intend to remove God's right hand from a throne he rightfully gained through the championship. Open violence might not always be the solution. We must find a way to influence the Emperor somehow. Make him see the truth. Sabaoth WILL find a way. Have a glorious day citizen. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Fasute Sethnakte	Posted - 2004.07.04 23:51:00 - [79] It is delicious to taste the air once again. Once my laboratory is set up, it will be an honor to improve the quality of life for Sabaoth, the Empire, and even her Neo-Citizens. Perhaps even the... Fasute chuckles. ... terrorist groups of Minmats will start to understand the opportunities they miss. Have an enlightened day, citizen. ______ SPCS Board Of Advisors Member (Science)
Fasute Sethnakte	Posted - 2004.07.04 23:51:00 - [80] It is delicious to taste the air once again. Once my laboratory is set up, it will be an honor to improve the quality of life for Sabaoth, the Empire, and even her Neo-Citizens. Perhaps even the... Fasute chuckles. ... terrorist groups of Minmats will start to understand the opportunities they miss. Have an enlightened day, citizen. ______ SPCS Board Of Advisors Member (Science)
Ardor	Posted - 2004.07.05 00:32:00 - [81] Originally by: Freekill Although Sabaoth champions the Reclaiming how do you intend to remove God's right hand from a throne he rightfully gained through the championship. Open violence might not always be the solution. We must find a way to influence the Emperor somehow. Make him see the truth. Sabaoth WILL find a way. Have a glorious day citizen. This answer deserves a bookmark. For a glorious future of the amarrian race
Ardor	Posted - 2004.07.05 00:32:00 - [82] Originally by: Freekill Although Sabaoth champions the Reclaiming how do you intend to remove God's right hand from a throne he rightfully gained through the championship. Open violence might not always be the solution. We must find a way to influence the Emperor somehow. Make him see the truth. Sabaoth WILL find a way. Have a glorious day citizen. This answer deserves a bookmark. For a glorious future of the amarrian race
Shredder	Posted - 2004.07.05 22:02:00 - [83] Welcome back chaps.
Shredder	Posted - 2004.07.05 22:02:00 - [84] Welcome back chaps.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.07.06 02:36:00 - [85] Originally by: Fasute Sethnakte It is delicious to taste the air once again. Once my laboratory is set up, it will be an honor to improve the quality of life for Sabaoth, the Empire, and even her Neo-Citizens. Perhaps even the... Fasute chuckles. ... terrorist groups of Minmats will start to understand the opportunities they miss. Have an enlightened day, citizen. utterly bull, you should have your head examined by a 1400mm So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.07.06 02:36:00 - [86] Originally by: Fasute Sethnakte It is delicious to taste the air once again. Once my laboratory is set up, it will be an honor to improve the quality of life for Sabaoth, the Empire, and even her Neo-Citizens. Perhaps even the... Fasute chuckles. ... terrorist groups of Minmats will start to understand the opportunities they miss. Have an enlightened day, citizen. utterly bull, you should have your head examined by a 1400mm So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Mordessa	Posted - 2004.07.06 15:55:00 - [87] So Saboath arises from its ashes. I welcome back our brothers and sisters from the old days.
Mordessa	Posted - 2004.07.06 15:55:00 - [88] So Saboath arises from its ashes. I welcome back our brothers and sisters from the old days.
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.06 16:53:00 - [89] Originally by: Ardor Pax Amarria and Doriam have to be removed. And nobody will stop me fighting for this goal. Ardor, you and everyone else had your chance at the championship. I came to grips with having lost a long time ago. It's time for everyone else to accept that your favorite Heirs lost, and they are long dead. Eclipticum and his wingmate did not cheat, he killed everyone who opposed his chosen heir in the tournament. Now everyone hails those who made an attempt on Doriam's life as heroes? It is Eclipticum who is the "hero" if anyone, for displaying combat skills above and beyond those of the other champions. I suggest that we put aside all of this divisive nonsense, as we focus on the future. By the future I mean: * Get a new Heir to replace the now dead Jamyl Sarum. The missing Heir has caused a power vaccum in the house that possesses the Empire's strongest naval and military assets. The results of this power vacuum are evident enough; we have all just witnessed the defiance of the Tash-Murkon family to Imperial rule. * We need to focus on quelling the rebellion in our Marati province. That territory is still ours, we have but to reclaim it in the name of God. I am certain that having a Sarum heir on the privy council will only further this goal. ---------- --
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.06 16:53:00 - [90] Originally by: Ardor Pax Amarria and Doriam have to be removed. And nobody will stop me fighting for this goal. Ardor, you and everyone else had your chance at the championship. I came to grips with having lost a long time ago. It's time for everyone else to accept that your favorite Heirs lost, and they are long dead. Eclipticum and his wingmate did not cheat, he killed everyone who opposed his chosen heir in the tournament. Now everyone hails those who made an attempt on Doriam's life as heroes? It is Eclipticum who is the "hero" if anyone, for displaying combat skills above and beyond those of the other champions. I suggest that we put aside all of this divisive nonsense, as we focus on the future. By the future I mean: * Get a new Heir to replace the now dead Jamyl Sarum. The missing Heir has caused a power vaccum in the house that possesses the Empire's strongest naval and military assets. The results of this power vacuum are evident enough; we have all just witnessed the defiance of the Tash-Murkon family to Imperial rule. * We need to focus on quelling the rebellion in our Marati province. That territory is still ours, we have but to reclaim it in the name of God. I am certain that having a Sarum heir on the privy council will only further this goal. ---------- --
Mijstor Jedann	Posted - 2004.07.06 21:25:00 - [91] Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra * Get a new Heir to replace the now dead Jamyl Sarum. Do not count your chickens before they have hatched, Mr. Vorbarra. ____________________ "Amarr alone, delivered herself."
Mijstor Jedann	Posted - 2004.07.06 21:25:00 - [92] Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra * Get a new Heir to replace the now dead Jamyl Sarum. Do not count your chickens before they have hatched, Mr. Vorbarra. ____________________ "Amarr alone, delivered herself."
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.06 23:15:00 - [93] Originally by: Mijstor Jedann Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra * Get a new Heir to replace the now dead Jamyl Sarum. Do not count your chickens before they have hatched, Mr. Vorbarra. I have accounts of eye witnesses (Hardin, etc..) who saw Lady Jamyl Sarum die first hand. If you have proof otherwise Mr. Jedann, I would be more than happy to see it. Admittedly, Imperial records currently list Jamyl Sarum as very much alive. Take this with a grain of salt, as the same records list the long dead Heideran as head of the Imperial Family, and they list Doriam KorAzor as a Ni-Kunni! (Our Emperor is actually "Sir Doriam Kor-Azor", a hasty correction made later by these incompetent clerks). We should petition these dimwitted and ineffectual government officials to fix our records immediately! --------------- --
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.06 23:15:00 - [94] Originally by: Mijstor Jedann Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra * Get a new Heir to replace the now dead Jamyl Sarum. Do not count your chickens before they have hatched, Mr. Vorbarra. I have accounts of eye witnesses (Hardin, etc..) who saw Lady Jamyl Sarum die first hand. If you have proof otherwise Mr. Jedann, I would be more than happy to see it. Admittedly, Imperial records currently list Jamyl Sarum as very much alive. Take this with a grain of salt, as the same records list the long dead Heideran as head of the Imperial Family, and they list Doriam KorAzor as a Ni-Kunni! (Our Emperor is actually "Sir Doriam Kor-Azor", a hasty correction made later by these incompetent clerks). We should petition these dimwitted and ineffectual government officials to fix our records immediately! --------------- --
Ardor	Posted - 2004.07.07 02:40:00 - [95] Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra We need to focus on quelling the rebellion in our Marati province. That territory is still ours, we have but to reclaim it in the name of God. I am certain that having a Sarum heir on the privy council will only further this goal. It's good to see that Doriam has not acknowledged the Minmatar Republic as a sovereign state although he had different plans in the past as he was a Heir. To reclaim our territory (I see no reason why we Dark Amarr shouldn't see this regions as ours, too) is a common goal which should have priority. Maybe such a common goal will help to unite us Amarr when the time is coming. The Minmatar became stronger in the past with gallentean help and are no longer that primitive as they were in the past (from a tech point of view). Maybe house Sarum still has not named a new Heir because they don't want to recognize Doriam as Emperor. Sorry if I repeat myself another (countless) time but Lady Sarum called the succession being heretic so I am not surprised that house Sarum is not making the name of their Heir public. I see this as a sign that house Sarum dislikes Doriam. But it doesn't really matter. As long as Khanid II is alive there can't be another Emperor beside him. (I know Khanid II is not calling himself Emperor but I believe he is the one who should have become Emperor. No need to repeat this conversation again...) I want to get out of this endless conversation, too. There are no more new arguments and we common people can't change the big politics anyway. We all made our point of view public and none of us will change his mind (unfortunatly, because I am right). On the other hand I really can not promise not to repeat my arguments again because there might come reasons to do it. I don't expect PIE will stop saying 'the Emperors will is law'. We once agreed that we disagree on this point but also that we agree on most other important issues. We should focus on our common goals and let the Heirs do their job. Pax Amarria and Doriam have to be removed. And nobody will stop me fighting for this goal.
Ardor	Posted - 2004.07.07 02:40:00 - [96] Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra We need to focus on quelling the rebellion in our Marati province. That territory is still ours, we have but to reclaim it in the name of God. I am certain that having a Sarum heir on the privy council will only further this goal. It's good to see that Doriam has not acknowledged the Minmatar Republic as a sovereign state although he had different plans in the past as he was a Heir. To reclaim our territory (I see no reason why we Dark Amarr shouldn't see this regions as ours, too) is a common goal which should have priority. Maybe such a common goal will help to unite us Amarr when the time is coming. The Minmatar became stronger in the past with gallentean help and are no longer that primitive as they were in the past (from a tech point of view). Maybe house Sarum still has not named a new Heir because they don't want to recognize Doriam as Emperor. Sorry if I repeat myself another (countless) time but Lady Sarum called the succession being heretic so I am not surprised that house Sarum is not making the name of their Heir public. I see this as a sign that house Sarum dislikes Doriam. But it doesn't really matter. As long as Khanid II is alive there can't be another Emperor beside him. (I know Khanid II is not calling himself Emperor but I believe he is the one who should have become Emperor. No need to repeat this conversation again...) I want to get out of this endless conversation, too. There are no more new arguments and we common people can't change the big politics anyway. We all made our point of view public and none of us will change his mind (unfortunatly, because I am right). On the other hand I really can not promise not to repeat my arguments again because there might come reasons to do it. I don't expect PIE will stop saying 'the Emperors will is law'. We once agreed that we disagree on this point but also that we agree on most other important issues. We should focus on our common goals and let the Heirs do their job. Pax Amarria and Doriam have to be removed. And nobody will stop me fighting for this goal.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.07.07 08:08:00 - [97] Citizen Ezar First off its Ecliptical that won, Ecliptium or whatever is the planet named after him Second, it never hurts to have faith in ones heros I still believe the Lady Sarum has an ace up her sleave <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.07.07 08:08:00 - [98] Citizen Ezar First off its Ecliptical that won, Ecliptium or whatever is the planet named after him Second, it never hurts to have faith in ones heros I still believe the Lady Sarum has an ace up her sleave <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.07.07 10:01:00 - [99] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2004 10:05:05 Originally by: Deathwing Citizen Ezar First off its Ecliptical that won, Ecliptium or whatever is the planet named after him Second, it never hurts to have faith in ones heros I still believe the Lady Sarum has an ace up her sleave Why can't supporters of Jamyl Sarum accept that at the end she realised that her cause was lost and decided to do the honourable thing? By committing suicide, she very possibly prevented a civil war which could have destroyed the Empire. Remember - no heir is more important than the Empire. If, despite her pod self-destructing at Doriam II's inauguration, Jamyl Sarum is still alive, then she would have bought dishonour upon her house. I like to remember her as someone who, when the chips were down, decided to cease her efforts to claim the throne for the good of the Empire. I'd also like to second Ezar's call for a new Sarum heir to be named. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.07.07 10:01:00 - [100] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2004 10:05:05 Originally by: Deathwing Citizen Ezar First off its Ecliptical that won, Ecliptium or whatever is the planet named after him Second, it never hurts to have faith in ones heros I still believe the Lady Sarum has an ace up her sleave Why can't supporters of Jamyl Sarum accept that at the end she realised that her cause was lost and decided to do the honourable thing? By committing suicide, she very possibly prevented a civil war which could have destroyed the Empire. Remember - no heir is more important than the Empire. If, despite her pod self-destructing at Doriam II's inauguration, Jamyl Sarum is still alive, then she would have bought dishonour upon her house. I like to remember her as someone who, when the chips were down, decided to cease her efforts to claim the throne for the good of the Empire. I'd also like to second Ezar's call for a new Sarum heir to be named. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Vel Kyri	Posted - 2004.07.07 10:12:00 - [101] As one of those who vied for a chance to be the Lady's Champion, I too would like too see the new Heir of the Sarum Family named. It would certainly make my life much easier, as i would have a clear person to follow. -----
Vel Kyri	Posted - 2004.07.07 10:12:00 - [102] As one of those who vied for a chance to be the Lady's Champion, I too would like too see the new Heir of the Sarum Family named. It would certainly make my life much easier, as i would have a clear person to follow. -----
Hardin	Posted - 2004.07.07 10:22:00 - [103] As Rodj has said IF Jamyl Sarum is still alive then she has brought dishonour and disgrace on her House if she did not commit ritual suicide according to Amarr tradition. It would be quite unbelievable that the leader of a 'traditionalist' House such as Sarum would make such a break and do such damage to Amarr. I, like Rodj, prefer to believe that Jamyl Sarum did the right and honourable thing - upholding our traditions and preventing an Amarrian civil war. As Vel Kyri states it is time that a new head of House Sarum was appointed so that this leading Amarr family can once again play its rightful role in the scheme of things!
Hardin	Posted - 2004.07.07 10:22:00 - [104] As Rodj has said IF Jamyl Sarum is still alive then she has brought dishonour and disgrace on her House if she did not commit ritual suicide according to Amarr tradition. It would be quite unbelievable that the leader of a 'traditionalist' House such as Sarum would make such a break and do such damage to Amarr. I, like Rodj, prefer to believe that Jamyl Sarum did the right and honourable thing - upholding our traditions and preventing an Amarrian civil war. As Vel Kyri states it is time that a new head of House Sarum was appointed so that this leading Amarr family can once again play its rightful role in the scheme of things!
Mijstor Jedann	Posted - 2004.07.07 17:17:00 - [105] Originally by: Hardin I, like Rodj, prefer to believe... Whatever helps you sleep at night, Mr. Hardin. ____________________ "Amarr alone, delivered herself."
Mijstor Jedann	Posted - 2004.07.07 17:17:00 - [106] Originally by: Hardin I, like Rodj, prefer to believe... Whatever helps you sleep at night, Mr. Hardin. ____________________ "Amarr alone, delivered herself."
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:33:00 - [107] Originally by: Deathwing Citizen Ezar First off its Ecliptical that won, Ecliptium or whatever is the planet named after him Second, it never hurts to have faith in ones heros I still believe the Lady Sarum has an ace up her sleave Mea Culpa Holder Deathwing. Too long have I spent hauling sacred bricks from the Kor-Azor family station orbiting Eclipticum in service to our Emperor. Ecliptical is indeed the correct name of the hero of the Empire! -------- --
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.07.07 19:33:00 - [108] Originally by: Deathwing Citizen Ezar First off its Ecliptical that won, Ecliptium or whatever is the planet named after him Second, it never hurts to have faith in ones heros I still believe the Lady Sarum has an ace up her sleave Mea Culpa Holder Deathwing. Too long have I spent hauling sacred bricks from the Kor-Azor family station orbiting Eclipticum in service to our Emperor. Ecliptical is indeed the correct name of the hero of the Empire! -------- --
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.07.08 02:18:00 - [109] Originally by: Mijstor Jedann Originally by: Hardin I, like Rodj, prefer to believe... Whatever helps you sleep at night, Mr. Hardin. Might I just ever so briefly remind you, Mijstor, that your brethren in PIE are faithful to the end. Snide comments will get you nowhere and nothing. Nor will pretentiousness. ----------------------------------------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.07.08 02:18:00 - [110] Originally by: Mijstor Jedann Originally by: Hardin I, like Rodj, prefer to believe... Whatever helps you sleep at night, Mr. Hardin. Might I just ever so briefly remind you, Mijstor, that your brethren in PIE are faithful to the end. Snide comments will get you nowhere and nothing. Nor will pretentiousness. ----------------------------------------------
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.08 08:46:00 - [111] Attack and defence, defence and attack. Noone better then the other, booth with a reason and a path. It is true, do not defend your motives be true to them. Indeed be true to them. The Awakening has begun, open your eyes. We await the Gathering, it is near. Make your choice, will you be reborn? -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.08 08:46:00 - [112] Attack and defence, defence and attack. Noone better then the other, booth with a reason and a path. It is true, do not defend your motives be true to them. Indeed be true to them. The Awakening has begun, open your eyes. We await the Gathering, it is near. Make your choice, will you be reborn? -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Tok Narok	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:00:00 - [113] sighs The Lady Jamyl Sarum is alive. Simply because you have not yet opened your eyes wide enough to see the proof is none of my concern. Nor is it my concern to enlighten you further. As for her reasons, it is not my place to question them. Eye witnesses saw a capsule implode. Which means what in this day and age? Having a clone is not herecy... it simply prevents an heir becoming Emperor (or Empress)... I emplore you, remove your blinkers and look to her side. It's clear. Popular deviant.
Tok Narok	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:00:00 - [114] sighs The Lady Jamyl Sarum is alive. Simply because you have not yet opened your eyes wide enough to see the proof is none of my concern. Nor is it my concern to enlighten you further. As for her reasons, it is not my place to question them. Eye witnesses saw a capsule implode. Which means what in this day and age? Having a clone is not herecy... it simply prevents an heir becoming Emperor (or Empress)... I emplore you, remove your blinkers and look to her side. It's clear. Popular deviant.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:27:00 - [115] Either way Should the Lady Sarum return to us or an heir be named My guns are always at the command of the Sarum House <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:27:00 - [116] Either way Should the Lady Sarum return to us or an heir be named My guns are always at the command of the Sarum House <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Vel Kyri	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:30:00 - [117] Mr Narok. I was there at the ceremony where the Lady Sarum took her life. Her starship blew up, and her pod was seen. But that pod also self destructed - leaving her corpse to float amongst the stars. She died in honour - do not take that away from her. I await the naming of her Heir. -----
Vel Kyri	Posted - 2004.07.08 09:30:00 - [118] Mr Narok. I was there at the ceremony where the Lady Sarum took her life. Her starship blew up, and her pod was seen. But that pod also self destructed - leaving her corpse to float amongst the stars. She died in honour - do not take that away from her. I await the naming of her Heir. -----
Tok Narok	Posted - 2004.07.08 10:18:00 - [119] Originally by: Vel Kyri She died in honour - do not take that away from her. I'm not, as I'm not qualified to do so. I'm not questioning her death either. I'm just begging people to think out of the box for once. Guess I'm preaching to the deaf. I'll stop. Popular deviant.
Tok Narok	Posted - 2004.07.08 10:18:00 - [120] Originally by: Vel Kyri She died in honour - do not take that away from her. I'm not, as I'm not qualified to do so. I'm not questioning her death either. I'm just begging people to think out of the box for once. Guess I'm preaching to the deaf. I'll stop. Popular deviant.
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.08 13:50:00 - [121] Edited by: Xetro Xerion on 08/07/2004 13:53:40 Originally by: Tok Narok Originally by: Vel Kyri She died in honour - do not take that away from her. I'm not, as I'm not qualified to do so. I'm not questioning her death either. I'm just begging people to think out of the box for once. Guess I'm preaching to the deaf. I'll stop. Citizen Tok Narok, be true to your believes. Be unique in your own way, there are more ears around then there is heads. And it warms my hearth to find more of the Kyri family around. Hail to thee citizen Vel Kyri. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.08 13:50:00 - [122] Edited by: Xetro Xerion on 08/07/2004 13:53:40 Originally by: Tok Narok Originally by: Vel Kyri She died in honour - do not take that away from her. I'm not, as I'm not qualified to do so. I'm not questioning her death either. I'm just begging people to think out of the box for once. Guess I'm preaching to the deaf. I'll stop. Citizen Tok Narok, be true to your believes. Be unique in your own way, there are more ears around then there is heads. And it warms my hearth to find more of the Kyri family around. Hail to thee citizen Vel Kyri. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Freekill	Posted - 2004.07.11 01:52:00 - [123] Originally by: Tok Narok I'm not, as I'm not qualified to do so. I'm not questioning her death either. I'm just begging people to think out of the box for once. Guess I'm preaching to the deaf. I'll stop. So right you are brother. Do not trust your eyes brothers and sisters. Think. Pray. Question. Have a prosperous day citizens. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Freekill	Posted - 2004.07.11 01:52:00 - [124] Originally by: Tok Narok I'm not, as I'm not qualified to do so. I'm not questioning her death either. I'm just begging people to think out of the box for once. Guess I'm preaching to the deaf. I'll stop. So right you are brother. Do not trust your eyes brothers and sisters. Think. Pray. Question. Have a prosperous day citizens. ---------- Tomasz Zelazny Sabaoth representative to Metatron Incoporated "Honoring the past. Embracing the future"
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.11 07:50:00 - [125] Originally by: Freekill Think. Pray. Question. Yes, I strongly recommend this. I've been doing this for ages and it's most rewarding. For instance, I can see that: 1. the Amarrian religion has nothing to do with spirituality and is merely a way of keeping people stupid and credulous and under control 2. the scriptures are at best the words of a false god 3. slavery is an insult to humanity and the justification for it - "it's enlightening" - is just plain crap 4. the reclaiming is doomed to fail and will lead to the downfall of the Amarrians, both in this world and the next 5. those races already subjugated by the Amarr would have done just fine without them and have absolutely nothing to thank the Amarr for 6. neo-citizenship is another word for brainwashing Yes, it's truly amazing what a little thought, prayer and questioning will do for you --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.11 07:50:00 - [126] Originally by: Freekill Think. Pray. Question. Yes, I strongly recommend this. I've been doing this for ages and it's most rewarding. For instance, I can see that: 1. the Amarrian religion has nothing to do with spirituality and is merely a way of keeping people stupid and credulous and under control 2. the scriptures are at best the words of a false god 3. slavery is an insult to humanity and the justification for it - "it's enlightening" - is just plain crap 4. the reclaiming is doomed to fail and will lead to the downfall of the Amarrians, both in this world and the next 5. those races already subjugated by the Amarr would have done just fine without them and have absolutely nothing to thank the Amarr for 6. neo-citizenship is another word for brainwashing Yes, it's truly amazing what a little thought, prayer and questioning will do for you --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.14 19:01:00 - [127] Originally by: Lorna Doone Originally by: Freekill Think. Pray. Question. Yes, I strongly recommend this. I've been doing this for ages and it's most rewarding. For instance, I can see that: 1. the Amarrian religion has nothing to do with spirituality and is merely a way of keeping people stupid and credulous and under control 2. the scriptures are at best the words of a false god 3. slavery is an insult to humanity and the justification for it - "it's enlightening" - is just plain crap 4. the reclaiming is doomed to fail and will lead to the downfall of the Amarrians, both in this world and the next 5. those races already subjugated by the Amarr would have done just fine without them and have absolutely nothing to thank the Amarr for 6. neo-citizenship is another word for brainwashing Yes, it's truly amazing what a little thought, prayer and questioning will do for you Lorna, you do look stressed. Are you sure I canÆt send you some ticket to one of Sabaoth holiday facilities. The offer is still there, and this is of course free of charge. The Awakening is here, the gathering is closing. Open your eyes citizen, for the changes are all ready upon us. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.14 19:01:00 - [128] Originally by: Lorna Doone Originally by: Freekill Think. Pray. Question. Yes, I strongly recommend this. I've been doing this for ages and it's most rewarding. For instance, I can see that: 1. the Amarrian religion has nothing to do with spirituality and is merely a way of keeping people stupid and credulous and under control 2. the scriptures are at best the words of a false god 3. slavery is an insult to humanity and the justification for it - "it's enlightening" - is just plain crap 4. the reclaiming is doomed to fail and will lead to the downfall of the Amarrians, both in this world and the next 5. those races already subjugated by the Amarr would have done just fine without them and have absolutely nothing to thank the Amarr for 6. neo-citizenship is another word for brainwashing Yes, it's truly amazing what a little thought, prayer and questioning will do for you Lorna, you do look stressed. Are you sure I canÆt send you some ticket to one of Sabaoth holiday facilities. The offer is still there, and this is of course free of charge. The Awakening is here, the gathering is closing. Open your eyes citizen, for the changes are all ready upon us. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.15 22:16:00 - [129] Originally by: Xetro Xerion Lorna, you do look stressed. Are you sure I can’t send you some ticket to one of Sabaoth holiday facilities. The offer is still there, and this is of course free of charge. Stress? What could be more stressful than the idea of waking up in one of your 'holiday facilities' as a card-carrying neo-slave with some weird compulsion to do nothing but serve the emperor?! I'm sorry, but as touching as your concern is, I'm afraid I shall have to pass! --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2004.07.15 22:16:00 - [130] Originally by: Xetro Xerion Lorna, you do look stressed. Are you sure I can’t send you some ticket to one of Sabaoth holiday facilities. The offer is still there, and this is of course free of charge. Stress? What could be more stressful than the idea of waking up in one of your 'holiday facilities' as a card-carrying neo-slave with some weird compulsion to do nothing but serve the emperor?! I'm sorry, but as touching as your concern is, I'm afraid I shall have to pass! --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Tsual	Posted - 2004.07.21 14:23:00 - [131] Originally by: Lorna Doone Originally by: Freekill Think. Pray. Question. Yes, I strongly recommend this. I've been doing this for ages and it's most rewarding. For instance, I can see that: 1. the Amarrian religion has nothing to do with spirituality and is merely a way of keeping people stupid and credulous and under control 2. the scriptures are at best the words of a false god 3. slavery is an insult to humanity and the justification for it - "it's enlightening" - is just plain crap 4. the reclaiming is doomed to fail and will lead to the downfall of the Amarrians, both in this world and the next 5. those races already subjugated by the Amarr would have done just fine without them and have absolutely nothing to thank the Amarr for 6. neo-citizenship is another word for brainwashing Yes, it's truly amazing what a little thought, prayer and questioning will do for you At'naam Feironahim, se' irin godaqu'esh? *raises left eye brow* -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Tsual	Posted - 2004.07.21 14:23:00 - [132] Originally by: Lorna Doone Originally by: Freekill Think. Pray. Question. Yes, I strongly recommend this. I've been doing this for ages and it's most rewarding. For instance, I can see that: 1. the Amarrian religion has nothing to do with spirituality and is merely a way of keeping people stupid and credulous and under control 2. the scriptures are at best the words of a false god 3. slavery is an insult to humanity and the justification for it - "it's enlightening" - is just plain crap 4. the reclaiming is doomed to fail and will lead to the downfall of the Amarrians, both in this world and the next 5. those races already subjugated by the Amarr would have done just fine without them and have absolutely nothing to thank the Amarr for 6. neo-citizenship is another word for brainwashing Yes, it's truly amazing what a little thought, prayer and questioning will do for you At'naam Feironahim, se' irin godaqu'esh? *raises left eye brow* -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Tani Yih	Posted - 2004.07.21 14:42:00 - [133] I am amazed at how all these Ammarians stand together. Yet, at the same time I know that I should not be. With all the historical Sabaoth Inc seems to dregg up from their archives it should even be more obvious. Ammarians are a tightly knit group with similar tendencies. After all, they waste little time to flock around citizen 'Tok Narok', a self advertising 'homocidal maniac'. Such peculiar behaviour for a species so firmly entrenched into religious delusions of grandness. My study file on Ammarians never seems to shrink or submit to scientific reason.
Tani Yih	Posted - 2004.07.21 14:42:00 - [134] I am amazed at how all these Ammarians stand together. Yet, at the same time I know that I should not be. With all the historical Sabaoth Inc seems to dregg up from their archives it should even be more obvious. Ammarians are a tightly knit group with similar tendencies. After all, they waste little time to flock around citizen 'Tok Narok', a self advertising 'homocidal maniac'. Such peculiar behaviour for a species so firmly entrenched into religious delusions of grandness. My study file on Ammarians never seems to shrink or submit to scientific reason.
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.21 16:01:00 - [135] Originally by: Tani Yih I am amazed at how all these Ammarians stand together. Yet, at the same time I know that I should not be. With all the historical Sabaoth Inc seems to dregg up from their archives it should even be more obvious. Ammarians are a tightly knit group with similar tendencies. After all, they waste little time to flock around citizen 'Tok Narok', a self advertising 'homocidal maniac'. Such peculiar behaviour for a species so firmly entrenched into religious delusions of grandness. My study file on Ammarians never seems to shrink or submit to scientific reason. There are factions in the Amarr players, we of the Sabaoth support the Sarum familiy as we have since the time of our creation. We are loyal to the Empire, but we follow the Sarum family needs. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Xetro Xerion	Posted - 2004.07.21 16:01:00 - [136] Originally by: Tani Yih I am amazed at how all these Ammarians stand together. Yet, at the same time I know that I should not be. With all the historical Sabaoth Inc seems to dregg up from their archives it should even be more obvious. Ammarians are a tightly knit group with similar tendencies. After all, they waste little time to flock around citizen 'Tok Narok', a self advertising 'homocidal maniac'. Such peculiar behaviour for a species so firmly entrenched into religious delusions of grandness. My study file on Ammarians never seems to shrink or submit to scientific reason. There are factions in the Amarr players, we of the Sabaoth support the Sarum familiy as we have since the time of our creation. We are loyal to the Empire, but we follow the Sarum family needs. -- Knowledge is power, and power comes from the within
Briarios	Posted - 2004.07.22 00:13:00 - [137] Edited by: Briarios on 22/07/2004 00:15:05 Originally by: Tani Yih Such peculiar behaviour for a species so firmly entrenched into religious delusions of grandness. My study file on Ammarians never seems to shrink or submit to scientific reason. My dear woman, may I point out that we are not a species all of our own, but a race. The same species, but different races, you and I. I see you are still affiliated with a university. May I suggest that you cut back from studing Amarrians and our peculiarities, a subject matter that is clearly beyond your comprehension, and return to learning the basics of biology? ------------------- Briarios Taus'ett President - Agamemnon Interstellar Industries [b]Loyal Empirial Citi
Briarios	Posted - 2004.07.22 00:13:00 - [138] Edited by: Briarios on 22/07/2004 00:15:05 Originally by: Tani Yih Such peculiar behaviour for a species so firmly entrenched into religious delusions of grandness. My study file on Ammarians never seems to shrink or submit to scientific reason. My dear woman, may I point out that we are not a species all of our own, but a race. The same species, but different races, you and I. I see you are still affiliated with a university. May I suggest that you cut back from studing Amarrians and our peculiarities, a subject matter that is clearly beyond your comprehension, and return to learning the basics of biology? ------------------- Briarios Taus'ett President - Agamemnon Interstellar Industries [b]Loyal Empirial Citi
Tani Yih	Posted - 2004.07.22 07:48:00 - [139] Originally by: Briarios My dear woman, may I point out that we are not a species all of our own, but a race. The same species, but different races, you and I. I see you are still affiliated with a university. May I suggest that you cut back from studing Amarrians and our peculiarities, a subject matter that is clearly beyond your comprehension, and return to learning the basics of biology? I beg to differ Ammarian. All races belonging to the same species have similar tendencies and basics of mindsets inherent to their proximity and environment. Ammarians however break away from this in the most spectacular ways-- probably caused in the many years of isolation after the EVE-gate accident. Because of all these changes in self-perception and behavior within Ammarians I cannot do else but conclude Ammarians are an entirely different species from the common inhabitants of the current universe. Gallente, Minmatar and Caldari. Concerning biology. Certainly you understand yourself that a scientist like me has no desire to flit along the much flown path of biology. Even I know that Ammarians for example have made extensive progress in this area. As have Minmatar scientists. Instead I have chosen a much shunned sidebranch, for obvious reasons, and try to make sense of your species. On a last note, I am most comfounded by your method of adress. Though pleased in a sense. Do tell, in what sense am I 'dear' to you? A minmatar tribal woman being called 'dear' by a Ammarians tends to bring...disturbing visions to my mind.
Tani Yih	Posted - 2004.07.22 07:48:00 - [140] Originally by: Briarios My dear woman, may I point out that we are not a species all of our own, but a race. The same species, but different races, you and I. I see you are still affiliated with a university. May I suggest that you cut back from studing Amarrians and our peculiarities, a subject matter that is clearly beyond your comprehension, and return to learning the basics of biology? I beg to differ Ammarian. All races belonging to the same species have similar tendencies and basics of mindsets inherent to their proximity and environment. Ammarians however break away from this in the most spectacular ways-- probably caused in the many years of isolation after the EVE-gate accident. Because of all these changes in self-perception and behavior within Ammarians I cannot do else but conclude Ammarians are an entirely different species from the common inhabitants of the current universe. Gallente, Minmatar and Caldari. Concerning biology. Certainly you understand yourself that a scientist like me has no desire to flit along the much flown path of biology. Even I know that Ammarians for example have made extensive progress in this area. As have Minmatar scientists. Instead I have chosen a much shunned sidebranch, for obvious reasons, and try to make sense of your species. On a last note, I am most comfounded by your method of adress. Though pleased in a sense. Do tell, in what sense am I 'dear' to you? A minmatar tribal woman being called 'dear' by a Ammarians tends to bring...disturbing visions to my mind.
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.22 09:37:00 - [141] I think he was patronising you. They like to think they're good at that.
Makkar	Posted - 2004.07.22 09:37:00 - [142] I think he was patronising you. They like to think they're good at that.
Briarios	Posted - 2004.07.23 01:20:00 - [143] Originally by: Tani Yih I beg to differ Ammarian. All races belonging to the same species have similar tendencies and basics of mindsets inherent to their proximity and environment. Ammarians however break away from this in the most spectacular ways-- probably caused in the many years of isolation after the EVE-gate accident. Because of all these changes in self-perception and behavior within Ammarians I cannot do else but conclude Ammarians are an entirely different species from the common inhabitants of the current universe. Gallente, Minmatar and Caldari. Concerning biology. Certainly you understand yourself that a scientist like me has no desire to flit along the much flown path of biology. Even I know that Ammarians for example have made extensive progress in this area. As have Minmatar scientists. Instead I have chosen a much shunned sidebranch, for obvious reasons, and try to make sense of your species. On a last note, I am most comfounded by your method of adress. Though pleased in a sense. Do tell, in what sense am I 'dear' to you? A minmatar tribal woman being called 'dear' by a Ammarians tends to bring...disturbing visions to my mind. bursts out in laughter I'm impressed Ms. Yih, quite impressed. Usually, discussions of this nature tend to devolve into nothing more than mudslinging fiascos as one side tries to degrade and humiliate the other with nothing more than schoolyard language. What impresses me the most is that you actually took the time to explain in a most civilized manner as to why you refer to my people as an entirely different species, although I still hear a slight undertone of disgust when I hear you say it. Nevertheless, your hypothesis as to why the great Amarrian culture has evolved into what it is today is intriguing and has some merit. I look forward to one day reading about your findings. Finally, as to why I called you dear, no insult intended I assure you. You see, my business dealings with other races requires me to be a little friendlier than is normal for an Amarrian. I'm sure you would agree that calling someone "slave" or "maggot" outright will not make me any business contacts or deals. I guess you could call it a force of habit. ------------------- Briarios Taus'ett President - Agamemnon Interstellar Industries [b]Loyal Empirial Citi
Briarios	Posted - 2004.07.23 01:20:00 - [144] Originally by: Tani Yih I beg to differ Ammarian. All races belonging to the same species have similar tendencies and basics of mindsets inherent to their proximity and environment. Ammarians however break away from this in the most spectacular ways-- probably caused in the many years of isolation after the EVE-gate accident. Because of all these changes in self-perception and behavior within Ammarians I cannot do else but conclude Ammarians are an entirely different species from the common inhabitants of the current universe. Gallente, Minmatar and Caldari. Concerning biology. Certainly you understand yourself that a scientist like me has no desire to flit along the much flown path of biology. Even I know that Ammarians for example have made extensive progress in this area. As have Minmatar scientists. Instead I have chosen a much shunned sidebranch, for obvious reasons, and try to make sense of your species. On a last note, I am most comfounded by your method of adress. Though pleased in a sense. Do tell, in what sense am I 'dear' to you? A minmatar tribal woman being called 'dear' by a Ammarians tends to bring...disturbing visions to my mind. bursts out in laughter I'm impressed Ms. Yih, quite impressed. Usually, discussions of this nature tend to devolve into nothing more than mudslinging fiascos as one side tries to degrade and humiliate the other with nothing more than schoolyard language. What impresses me the most is that you actually took the time to explain in a most civilized manner as to why you refer to my people as an entirely different species, although I still hear a slight undertone of disgust when I hear you say it. Nevertheless, your hypothesis as to why the great Amarrian culture has evolved into what it is today is intriguing and has some merit. I look forward to one day reading about your findings. Finally, as to why I called you dear, no insult intended I assure you. You see, my business dealings with other races requires me to be a little friendlier than is normal for an Amarrian. I'm sure you would agree that calling someone "slave" or "maggot" outright will not make me any business contacts or deals. I guess you could call it a force of habit. ------------------- Briarios Taus'ett President - Agamemnon Interstellar Industries [b]Loyal Empirial Citi
Tani Yih	Posted - 2004.07.23 07:20:00 - [145] looks mildly amused Well, I cannot speak for anyone else naturally. Yet, trust me, I have no desire to do any 'mudslinging' of any sort. I see absolutely no reason to waste precious research time on such futile endeavors most of the time. Perhaps as a diversionary amusement at times. Perhaps my explanation is a cause of my background as scientist. How can any normal person bring across a point without an adequate explanation and theory accompanying them? It is only a matter of prudency. Though sadly enough not everyone goes through the trouble of reading beyond any of the first few lines --- the point made. Do not worry about any percieved disgust. That too has a perfectly reasonably explanation. Ironically enough the most easily shown comes from the area of biology-- a field narrowly bordering on psycology. Any create, small or large, will automatically feel uncomfortably with anything in its living environment that seems unnatural or otherwise should not be there. I suppose such basic instincts, should the instinctive level come high enough, automatically surface in any intelligent person. I am civilized enough not to act in it though. As for business dealings. I cannot truly imagine why you'd do business with any different species your own seed as slave. While calling Gallente or Caldari women 'dear' is something I can at least reason to extend, your most likely lack of dealing with people within the Republic and tendencies towards Minmatars hould well negate your forced behaviour of calling any non-minmatar women 'dear'.
Tani Yih	Posted - 2004.07.23 07:20:00 - [146] looks mildly amused Well, I cannot speak for anyone else naturally. Yet, trust me, I have no desire to do any 'mudslinging' of any sort. I see absolutely no reason to waste precious research time on such futile endeavors most of the time. Perhaps as a diversionary amusement at times. Perhaps my explanation is a cause of my background as scientist. How can any normal person bring across a point without an adequate explanation and theory accompanying them? It is only a matter of prudency. Though sadly enough not everyone goes through the trouble of reading beyond any of the first few lines --- the point made. Do not worry about any percieved disgust. That too has a perfectly reasonably explanation. Ironically enough the most easily shown comes from the area of biology-- a field narrowly bordering on psycology. Any create, small or large, will automatically feel uncomfortably with anything in its living environment that seems unnatural or otherwise should not be there. I suppose such basic instincts, should the instinctive level come high enough, automatically surface in any intelligent person. I am civilized enough not to act in it though. As for business dealings. I cannot truly imagine why you'd do business with any different species your own seed as slave. While calling Gallente or Caldari women 'dear' is something I can at least reason to extend, your most likely lack of dealing with people within the Republic and tendencies towards Minmatars hould well negate your forced behaviour of calling any non-minmatar women 'dear'.

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