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UD146326
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Posted - 2008.10.15 00:59:00 -
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Come'on guys, CCP aren't trying to offend you so please don't be rude to the devs. Look at all the FREE expansions they have given you and you want to complain about a little thing like the removal of ghost training. Now I agree it could of been presented a little earlier but they're so busy working on new features they probably just got side tracked. So feel free to voice your opinion just please don't be rude, CCP devs deserve more than that. Thank you
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Tae'Lin Hynd
Simply Planned
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:00:00 -
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Where did my remote go?
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Feriluce
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:03:00 -
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what makes you so special that you need a completely new thread for your very relevant oppinion?
also IBTL
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Tighty Whities
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:03:00 -
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10/10 for originality.
Haven't see a CCP defense thread in a long time.
Nerf eve consumers. Boost devs?
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Tatianna
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:03:00 -
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Free expansions? Where?
I have been paying for EvE for quite some time now. Your telling me I was supposed to be getting this for free?
/boggle
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tae'Lin Hynd Where did my remote go?
Put the remote down, its tuesdays on Fox! __________
Sig by Neth'Rae Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail? FFFFFF |
Heath Ledger
Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Tae'Lin Hynd Where did my remote go?
Put the remote down, its tuesdays on Fox!
House ftw.
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Max Torps
Gallente DawnWatchers
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tighty Whities
Nerf eve consumers. Boost devs?
Boost devs.
Too much of the sticky brown stick on devs makes game suck, so give them props and we get in game bling.
Except for the internal audit dude at fanfest last year who gave me that rotted shark flesh and smiled.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Heath Ledger
House ftw.
Confirming this __________
Sig by Neth'Rae Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail? FFFFFF |
Oftherocks
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:09:00 -
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I don't blame the devs, in fact I pity them. I blame the finance guys who are now making design decisions, which is obviously not their strength.
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Feriluce
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Feriluce on 15/10/2008 01:12:04
Originally by: Tatianna Free expansions? Where?
I have been paying for EvE for quite some time now. Your telling me I was supposed to be getting this for free?
/boggle
Linkage
Now tell me how many of those expansions you went and bought somewhere.
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Tatianna
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tatianna on 15/10/2008 01:13:27
Originally by: Feriluce Edited by: Feriluce on 15/10/2008 01:12:04
Originally by: Tatianna Free expansions? Where?
I have been paying for EvE for quite some time now. Your telling me I was supposed to be getting this for free?
/boggle
Linkage
Now tell me how many of those expansions you went and bought somewhere.
$14.99 x 12 = IPAIDFORXPANSIONSNINJASTYLE
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Tighty Whities
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Feriluce Edited by: Feriluce on 15/10/2008 01:12:04
Originally by: Tatianna Free expansions? Where?
I have been paying for EvE for quite some time now. Your telling me I was supposed to be getting this for free?
/boggle
Linkage
Now tell me how many of those expansions you went and bought somewhere.
But, But But....I have to pay to train skills now
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: UD146326 Look at all the FREE expansions they have given you and you want to complain about a little thing like the removal of ghost training.
Okay. Comprimise.
Charge for expansions and keep ghost training. (Hint: It's not the money that a lot of people are complaining about)
-- (CCP Inconsistency)
Why cover it up? We KNOW it's all just about money |
Heath Ledger
Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Feriluce Edited by: Feriluce on 15/10/2008 01:12:04
Originally by: Tatianna Free expansions? Where?
I have been paying for EvE for quite some time now. Your telling me I was supposed to be getting this for free?
/boggle
Linkage
Now tell me how many of those expansions you went and bought somewhere.
Correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm only around a year in, but aren't most all of those "expansions" just fixes and balances, with some limited content?
Essentially, things you would get in other MMOs without paying for anyways.
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Tae'Lin Hynd
Simply Planned
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Tae'Lin Hynd Where did my remote go?
Put the remote down, its tuesdays on Fox!
BASEBALL, I HATE IT!!! No family guy, no family guy....gonna have to beat the cat.
Oh, so since the offer of 2b, i have got the toon cookin in the vat, we at about 100k isk right now worth of toonage
phhhh... i can't even keep a straight face, there you are, not staring at me....
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Feriluce
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Heath Ledger
Originally by: Feriluce Edited by: Feriluce on 15/10/2008 01:12:04
Originally by: Tatianna Free expansions? Where?
I have been paying for EvE for quite some time now. Your telling me I was supposed to be getting this for free?
/boggle
Linkage
Now tell me how many of those expansions you went and bought somewhere.
Correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm only around a year in, but aren't most all of those "expansions" just fixes and balances, with some limited content?
Essentially, things you would get in other MMOs without paying for anyways.
Try comparing eve 3 years ago with eve today.
There were no capitals, no interdictors, no T2 Bs's, a region has opened since then, theres a completely new graphics engine.
Yea, just minor fixes.
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Feriluce
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tatianna
$14.99 x 12 = IPAIDFORXPANSIONSNINJASTYLE
Thats your subscription to the game, not the cost of the expansions. To give you an example: WoW charges subscription, and at the same time charge full game price for their expansions.
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Ayrion Centare
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:20:00 -
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This was my post on the Official Dev Blog Thread;
Quote: I like to stay in the background but I think it is important for those of us who disagree to let CCP know.
Ghost Training is specifically one of the features that attracted me to EVE.
I never got into any other MMOs because I have a life and I simply can't dedicate the time necessary to grind up a powerful end-game character. And if I couldn't do that, it seemed like waste of time and money to even get started. So I didn't.
When I first learn about EVE and it's skill training model and the ability to ghost train I thought it was genius. Finally an MMO that doesn't punish me for having a life. I could take extended stretches of time outside the game but still continue to level my character towards end game. Ghost training was a huge selling point for me.
I'd like to have some empathy for CCP especially with current market condition, but their treatment of the matter has been despicable. The outright lie that ghost training was an unintended bug instead of a feature clearly written in your own player manual is so rude and disrespectful it's insulting.
If ghost training took such a financial toll and was an actual bug you could have protected yourself easily by stating in your player manual that ghost training is an unintended feature caused by a bug and it will be removed. Even if it took you 5 years to remove it nobody could make a fuss because it was clearly stated.
Right now you guys at CCP are not in the best position. It either looks like:
There was a bug that existed in your skill training system for 5 years that you actually called a feature in your own player manual which makes you look stupid and incompetent.
or
Or this is an attempt to squeeze your customers for extra subs by lying and disabling a well known feature that made your MMO distinct from other MMOs when it came to character advancement which makes you look desperate and pathetic.
This is a deal breaker for me.
Their official response in that thread;
Quote: The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
A line has to be drawn between being a customer and being a sucker. After conduct like this I believe CCP views me as a sucker.
They do not deserve my respect.
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Tighty Whities
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Feriluce
Originally by: Heath Ledger
Originally by: Feriluce Edited by: Feriluce on 15/10/2008 01:12:04
Originally by: Tatianna Free expansions? Where?
I have been paying for EvE for quite some time now. Your telling me I was supposed to be getting this for free?
/boggle
Linkage
Now tell me how many of those expansions you went and bought somewhere.
Correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm only around a year in, but aren't most all of those "expansions" just fixes and balances, with some limited content?
Essentially, things you would get in other MMOs without paying for anyways.
Try comparing eve 3 years ago with eve today.
There were no capitals, no interdictors, no T2 Bs's, a region has opened since then, theres a completely new graphics engine.
Yea, just minor fixes.
Confirming Heath Ledger has been drawn and quartered for his insolence.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Feriluce
Originally by: Tatianna
$14.99 x 12 = IPAIDFORXPANSIONSNINJASTYLE
Thats your subscription to the game, not the cost of the expansions. To give you an example: WoW charges subscription, and at the same time charge full game price for their expansions.
does not make it free, makes it included in the price, much like patches for offline games.
ccp improves or in some eyes ruins the game for the reason of getting new people and money for there company, if the game got outdated they would lose people to other games and not get new players, and they are still too niche to charge for such things.
they are not free, they are included in the price i really wish people would not call it free.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:27:00 -
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no break, it's like Auschwitz in here.
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Tighty Whities
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem
Originally by: Feriluce
Originally by: Tatianna
$14.99 x 12 = IPAIDFORXPANSIONSNINJASTYLE
Thats your subscription to the game, not the cost of the expansions. To give you an example: WoW charges subscription, and at the same time charge full game price for their expansions.
does not make it free, makes it included in the price, much like patches for offline games.
ccp improves or in some eyes ruins the game for the reason of getting new people and money for there company, if the game got outdated they would lose people to other games and not get new players, and they are still too niche to charge for such things.
they are not free, they are included in the price i really wish people would not call it free.
But they are free. Says so every time one comes out.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:29:00 -
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yeah companys say alot of things
like free minutes or sms on your cell phone.. that u pay monthly for.
or free x when u spend x amount on x
or buy 3 and get 1 free
there not free, just included in the profit/price of the others, or in eves case the monthly charge.
ccp lies all the time anyways, like there logs show nothing, we all know they cant have logs if they dont show some of the things we as players see lol
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Tighty Whities
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tighty Whities
Originally by: Xtreem
Originally by: Feriluce
Originally by: Tatianna
$14.99 x 12 = IPAIDFORXPANSIONSNINJASTYLE
Thats your subscription to the game, not the cost of the expansions. To give you an example: WoW charges subscription, and at the same time charge full game price for their expansions.
does not make it free, makes it included in the price, much like patches for offline games.
ccp improves or in some eyes ruins the game for the reason of getting new people and money for there company, if the game got outdated they would lose people to other games and not get new players, and they are still too niche to charge for such things.
they are not free, they are included in the price i really wish people would not call it free.
But they are free. Says so every time one comes out.
Confirming that this is true and major companies never lie.
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Feriluce
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem
does not make it free, makes it included in the price, much like patches for offline games.
ccp improves or in some eyes ruins the game for the reason of getting new people and money for there company, if the game got outdated they would lose people to other games and not get new players, and they are still too niche to charge for such things.
they are not free, they are included in the price i really wish people would not call it free.
You're quite wrong there. CCP could in theory abandon all development on eve and keep charging the 15$ a month if they wanted to. Sure that wouldnt be very healthy for their subscription numbers, but it would be fully legal for them to do so, as it says nowhere that by paying subscription you're entitled to regular expansions. CCP keeps working on their game to keep customers and attract new ones, but since they dont HAVE to do that, you cant say that its included in the subscription fee.
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Max Torps
Gallente DawnWatchers
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:32:00 -
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I can just imagine it now.
Hey guys, we're going to the drone regions to kick ass.
Um FC, I don't have that expansion! Me too! Me as well!
etc...
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Xtreem on 15/10/2008 01:49:46
Originally by: Feriluce
Originally by: Xtreem
does not make it free, makes it included in the price, much like patches for offline games.
ccp improves or in some eyes ruins the game for the reason of getting new people and money for there company, if the game got outdated they would lose people to other games and not get new players, and they are still too niche to charge for such things.
they are not free, they are included in the price i really wish people would not call it free.
You're quite wrong there. CCP could in theory abandon all development on eve and keep charging the 15$ a month if they wanted to. Sure that wouldnt be very healthy for their subscription numbers, but it would be fully legal for them to do so, as it says nowhere that by paying subscription you're entitled to regular expansions. CCP keeps working on their game to keep customers and attract new ones, but since they dont HAVE to do that, you cant say that its included in the subscription fee.
not wrong at all, i never said they had to, they however do, they have to pay the staff etc to work on the updates, they get this cash from... the subs they get monthly from players right? so that makes the cost come from... the subscriptions, which is what we pay.
and as said above, eve is a single shard, to cut people off and limit them as in other games, would just not work with eves skill system they have inplace and would cause mass imbalence.
so yeah your right in a way they dont have to, but they do, and they get the money to do it, from us, hence we pay for the updates.
/edit/ changed the word below to the word above
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CRUSH BOSS
Caldari BigMek Industries GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:56:00 -
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STFU+GTFO=EVE Online We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE Don't troll in your signature please. -Hango |
Heath Ledger
Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tighty Whities
Originally by: Xtreem Edited by: Xtreem on 15/10/2008 01:49:46
Originally by: Feriluce
Originally by: Xtreem
does not make it free, makes it included in the price, much like patches for offline games.
ccp improves or in some eyes ruins the game for the reason of getting new people and money for there company, if the game got outdated they would lose people to other games and not get new players, and they are still too niche to charge for such things.
they are not free, they are included in the price i really wish people would not call it free.
You're quite wrong there. CCP could in theory abandon all development on eve and keep charging the 15$ a month if they wanted to. Sure that wouldnt be very healthy for their subscription numbers, but it would be fully legal for them to do so, as it says nowhere that by paying subscription you're entitled to regular expansions. CCP keeps working on their game to keep customers and attract new ones, but since they dont HAVE to do that, you cant say that its included in the subscription fee.
not wrong at all, i never said they had to, they however do, they have to pay the staff etc to work on the updates, they get this cash from... the subs they get monthly from players right? so that makes the cost come from... the subscriptions, which is what we pay.
and as said above, eve is a single shard, to cut people off and limit them as in other games, would just not work with eves skill system they have inplace and would cause mass imbalence.
so yeah your right in a way they dont have to, but they do, and they get the money to do it, from us, hence we pay for the updates.
/edit/ changed the word below to the word above
What part of free bi-annual expansions do you not understand.
Apparently the free part.
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