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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:33:00 -
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Hi guys,
I've been playing Eve for a while now and noticed that the community is much smaller than most mmo's which isn't bad. I really enjoy the community and not having to be subjected to play with WoW rejects.
As I progressed through the game I noticed that the missions are very repetitive and boring after 2 days of running them and mining puts me to sleep. I know there is covert ops, trading and all kinds of other technical aspects of the game but many people get turned off and bored before they get to that point. I tried getting some of my real life friends to play and they say the same things "wow this game has no flavor", "the reward factor of the game is non existent" and "instead of grinding for xp, you are grinding for isk" and they quit after a week.
For me, sometimes this game feels like a single player game, not a mmo. I really like the fact that there are complexes out there but i was told that it is just space with a bunch of npc's.
Why can't there be more content aimed at group pve? I think it would be cool to do fleet specific missions with a hard boss or bosses that involves strategy, thinking and teamwork to kill. Warlink modules and leadership skills would be useful for this also. It would be nice to try and get that rare item off of boss_120. I know this is starting to sound like every other mmo on the market but some players aren't interested in an end game that is totally pvp.
I'm just bored at work and was wondering what you guy's opinion would be on this. I love the game but I have to play a second mmo to take away from the boredom of mission running.
Thanks for reading,
Kronno
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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:33:00 -
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Hi guys,
I've been playing Eve for a while now and noticed that the community is much smaller than most mmo's which isn't bad. I really enjoy the community and not having to be subjected to play with WoW rejects.
As I progressed through the game I noticed that the missions are very repetitive and boring after 2 days of running them and mining puts me to sleep. I know there is covert ops, trading and all kinds of other technical aspects of the game but many people get turned off and bored before they get to that point. I tried getting some of my real life friends to play and they say the same things "wow this game has no flavor", "the reward factor of the game is non existent" and "instead of grinding for xp, you are grinding for isk" and they quit after a week.
For me, sometimes this game feels like a single player game, not a mmo. I really like the fact that there are complexes out there but i was told that it is just space with a bunch of npc's.
Why can't there be more content aimed at group pve? I think it would be cool to do fleet specific missions with a hard boss or bosses that involves strategy, thinking and teamwork to kill. Warlink modules and leadership skills would be useful for this also. It would be nice to try and get that rare item off of boss_120. I know this is starting to sound like every other mmo on the market but some players aren't interested in an end game that is totally pvp.
I'm just bored at work and was wondering what you guy's opinion would be on this. I love the game but I have to play a second mmo to take away from the boredom of mission running.
Thanks for reading,
Kronno
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:52:00 -
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You can also occasionally shoot people
you should do that, PvE is for losers
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 15/10/2008 15:54:03
How many level 5 missions have you done? Or how many complexes have you run?
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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:54:00 -
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pvp involves thinking, pve doesn't. that is why people hate pve and it's why I made this post.
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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:57:00 -
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I run lvl 3 missions and fleeted lvl 4's. I haven't done any lvl 5's because no one i know runs them. I can't imagine going from lvl 4 to lvl 5 missions being that much more spectacular.
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Cpt Hound
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Kronno
I run lvl 3 missions and fleeted lvl 4's. I haven't done any lvl 5's because no one i know runs them. I can't imagine going from lvl 4 to lvl 5 missions being that much more spectacular.
They are more spectacularrrrrr in the sense that you'll be in awe at how fast players will scan you down and kill you.
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Jac Straw
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jac Straw on 15/10/2008 16:00:18
Missions are boring, I would suggest joining Faction Warfare and run those mission, but they're not exciting either :(
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jac Straw
Edited by: Jac Straw on 15/10/2008 16:00:18
Missions are boring, I would suggest joining Faction Warfare and run those mission, but they're not exciting either :(
no, but joining faction warfare and then Xing up for random pvp fleets is pretty good
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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:10:00 -
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but we are back to the same thing...pvp. pvp can get boring also. throw some very complex fleet missions that take days for a corp to figure out how to complete. keep adding more over time. It brings a whole new aspect to the game.
Corps can pvp 3 days out of the week and pve 3 days out of the week. Add something to the game or it will have the same low number of players forever.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kronno
I WANT 25-MAN SPACESHIP RAIDS
Now you're just overstaying your welcome
Do i have to say it, or are you going to figure it out?
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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:23:00 -
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i'm just trying to suggest expanding the game and making it more interesting. if you want to call it a 25 man raid then fine. you don't have to start flaming, this isn't a WoW forum.
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kronno
I WANT 25-MAN SPACESHIP RAIDS
Now you're just overstaying your welcome
Do i have to say it, or are you going to figure it out?
Go Back to WOW?
Kronno, you say that pve is repetitive and gets boring, mining is also boring but you don't want to do pvp because that involves thinking. I don't get it? There is exploration, you fly around searching for hidden areas and they can vary as to what you will find. You may find a mining site, hacking site with some nice items, archeology sites and then the combat sites "PvE". The combat sites can vary as to how hard they are and what is needed to successfully complete them. If you did missions, a little exploration and maybe some trading or industry then you are varying what you do and making things more interesting.
On the other hand, if you are playing eve and not enjoying it then maybe it's time to find another game. Eve is not like other MMO's and that's what a lot of us here love about it.
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kronno
I WANT 25-MAN SPACESHIP RAIDS
Now you're just overstaying your welcome
Do i have to say it, or are you going to figure it out?
Go Back to WOW?
no kidding .... If this freaking game turns into a 25 man raiding FTW game I'm out... I can't stomach another freaking EQ->WoW clone... Sandbox skill based games for life!
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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:38:00 -
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I never said that i didn't want to pvp..i have a pvp ship.
The point is, most of the stuff you are listing is done months after you start the game. but people leave waaaay before that because this explains it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMSjd6HNQdY
I just think my idea would be better than working on allowing people to walk around a station...
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 15/10/2008 16:45:51
To be fairly blunt, EVE is more/as repetitive then/as the other games, but doesn't even bother to hide it but flaunts it like an 80 year old granny at a Sex Convention. The "sandbox" it lies in consists of one bucket and a broken toy car and some bully peed in the sand for giggles.
The character immersion is as immersive as a kiddiepool for ages below 3 and the whole RP side of EVE is as questionable as Britney Spears' virginity...when she was 14.
The PVE is a bit mindnumbing, like Glitter was a "bit good" as a movie, the mining loses to an excel sheet in the exitement department, and the PVP is basically a massive epeen waving contest where the loser(read: "one with smallest epeen") either limps home with half a testicle left or gets his privates fed to a rabid dog that's not been fed in 2 years. A zombie dog if you will.
And if you do have a smaller epeen and decide to bring more small epeened friends to the combat to defeat the massive epeen, the massive epeen brings his friends, you bring more friends and in the end the server is stuffed with so much epeens that the e-george e-nukes it to hell in fear of e-gays.
The wide open space is equally as wide and empty and the working market is as "advanced" as a tescos is to a Walmart.
EVE ain't perfect, not by a longshot, there's things that other MMOs do better for sure, but it's fine in a sense, we know it isn't perfect. Just that people pointing out it isn't perfect get shot.
Repeatedly.
With big lasers.
And stomped on.
Repeatedly.
And shot again, for safety.
And then started being naughty to.
And we love it 
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kronno
I never said that i didn't want to pvp..i have a pvp ship.
The point is, most of the stuff you are listing is done months after you start the game. but people leave waaaay before that because this explains it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMSjd6HNQdY
I just think my idea would be better than working on allowing people to walk around a station...
A) That video is very exaggerated.
B) People play EVE because they're tired of the 25 man raiding that is every other MMO out there. If you think EVE is boring, then take a break and go grind levels in WoW for awhile. To me grinding WoW is much much more boring than anything EVE has to offer. Even mining, and I hate mining.
C) You might think ambulation is boring, but obviously lots of other people don't share you're view, hence why it's being put in the game. Having an avatar capable of walking around in stations has been requested since release, probably even since beta. You're request of turning EVE into a clone of every other MMO is the first I've ever seen.
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 15/10/2008 16:45:51
To be fairly blunt, EVE is more/as repetitive then/as the other games, but doesn't even bother to hide it but flaunts it like an 80 year old granny at a Sex Convention. The "sandbox" it lies in consists of one bucket and a broken toy car and some bully peed in the sand for giggles.
The character immersion is as immersive as a kiddiepool for ages below 3 and the whole RP side of EVE is as questionable as Britney Spears' virginity...when she was 14.
The PVE is a bit mindnumbing, like Glitter was a "bit good" as a movie, the mining loses to an excel sheet in the exitement department, and the PVP is basically a massive epeen waving contest where the loser(read: "one with smallest epeen") either limps home with half a testicle left or gets his privates fed to a rabid dog that's not been fed in 2 years. A zombie dog if you will.
And if you do have a smaller epeen and decide to bring more small epeened friends to the combat to defeat the massive epeen, the massive epeen brings his friends, you bring more friends and in the end the server is stuffed with so much epeens that the e-george e-nukes it to hell in fear of e-gays.
The wide open space is equally as wide and empty and the working market is as "advanced" as a tescos is to a Walmart.
EVE ain't perfect, not by a longshot, there's things that other MMOs do better for sure, but it's fine in a sense, we know it isn't perfect. Just that people pointing out it isn't perfect get shot.
Repeatedly.
With big lasers.
And stomped on.
Repeatedly.
And shot again, for safety.
And then started being naughty to.
And we love it
You win the award for most metaphors used in a single post ever.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kronno
i'm just trying to suggest expanding the game and making it more interesting. if you want to call it a 25 man raid then fine. you don't have to start flaming, this isn't a WoW forum.
You were dancing around it but not saying it, so I went ahead and did it for you
PvE is a means to an end, not a goal within itself. You get the isk to buy the ships to shoot people in the face, and that's where the fun is
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kronno
i'm just trying to suggest expanding the game and making it more interesting. if you want to call it a 25 man raid then fine. you don't have to start flaming, this isn't a WoW forum.
You were dancing around it but not saying it, so I went ahead and did it for you
PvE is a means to an end, not a goal within itself. You get the isk to buy the ships to shoot people in the face, and that's where the fun is
You sure to make a lot of sense for a pair of eye balls wearing a shirt.
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WhiteSavage
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:55:00 -
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I'm with the OP on this one. I've invited 6 friends to play EVE with me and they all quit within the 1st 2-3 months. All with the same reason, that EVE was a dull time-sink. Those who stick with EVE definately have more patience and a good sense of self-accomplishment. Either way EVE is not designed for new players.
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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kronno on 15/10/2008 16:57:52
eve a clone?
EVE AVERAGE MMO
isk farming xp farming
modules gear
ship character
pvp pvp
skills skills
solar system zone
resists resists
agents quest npc's
stargate door
fleet group
market auction house
faction faction
------ raid
naaaa eve's not a clone..
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage
I'm with the OP on this one. I've invited 6 friends to play EVE with me and they all quit within the 1st 2-3 months. All with the same reason, that EVE was a dull time-sink. Those who stick with EVE definately have more patience and a good sense of self-accomplishment. Either way EVE is not designed for new players.
And what it's missing is the hook.
For example; WoW, first 20 levels are a breeze, but it sucks you in with a storyline, fast accomplishments, exiting things etc.
In EVE, the hook seems to be;
"Well, there's your ship, this is how you fly it and...*cough*...our complimentary mint on your pod."
It is in dire need of a starter story that sucks players in, BEFORE it drops them into the more mundane life.
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kronno
Edited by: Kronno on 15/10/2008 16:57:52
eve a clone?
EVE AVERAGE MMO
isk farming xp farming
modules gear
ship character
pvp pvp
skills skills
solar system zone
resists resists
agents quest npc's
stargate door
fleet group
market auction house
faction faction
------ raid
naaaa eve's not a clone..
If that's how you see it ....
Please go here ...
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 15/10/2008 17:00:10
Originally by: WhiteSavage
I'm with the OP on this one. I've invited 6 friends to play EVE with me and they all quit within the 1st 2-3 months. All with the same reason, that EVE was a dull time-sink. Those who stick with EVE definately have more patience and a good sense of self-accomplishment. Either way EVE is not designed for new players.
And what it's missing is the hook.
For example; WoW, first 20 levels are a breeze, but at same time it sucks you in with a storyline, fast accomplishments, exiting things etc. before the mundane grind comes. And even then, it has a storyline(plural really) you can follow all the way to the bank.
In EVE, the hook seems to be;
"Well, there's your ship, this is how you fly it and...*cough*...our complimentary mint on your pod."
It is in dire need of a starter story that sucks players in, BEFORE it drops them into the more mundane life.
That's because EVE is a choose your own adventure book and not "the little engine that could."
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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:03:00 -
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I didn't come here to **** people off. I love the game. Missioning is just my preferred way of making making isk. I would like this game to be more successful but close minded people will have to eventually realize that a game has to evolve to survive.
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Gorki Andropov
FKL Combine
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
in the face
Bravo, sir. :)
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Kronno
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:06:00 -
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adam, sorry it's reality. one day you will see this. all mmo's are related somehow. this one just has ships instead of swords and a bigger playground.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 15/10/2008 17:07:09
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
That's because EVE is a choose your own adventure book and not "the little engine that could."
Except that adventure is limited by rules and not comprehensive enough to actually allow full "sandbox"ing. In essence, yes, it's "your own adventure book", but you've got three pages to write on, one filled with doodles and a broken pen.
By this, we could establish that as a MMORPG EVE is actually a MMO.
The game part DOES, and i say this while loving EVE, DOES seem a bit stitched on.
Nothing wrong in adding a bit of story, RP, immersion, etc, working elements into EVE.
Just only problem is the people who play it too ahrdcore who are, how to say, a bit rigid in their ways.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kronno
Edited by: Kronno on 15/10/2008 16:57:52
eve a clone?
EVE AVERAGE MMO
isk farming xp farming
modules gear
ship character
pvp pvp
skills skills
solar system zone
resists resists
agents quest npc's
stargate door
fleet group
market auction house
faction faction
------ raid
naaaa eve's not a clone..
While you're there, please find me the average MMO equivalent of the following:
Outpost
POS
Capital Ship
Sovereignty
Ship Destruction
Logistics
Alliance
Coalition
Piracy
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