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huxorator
Intergalactic Serenity
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:36:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Shadowsword
Now about ships. While new ships have been added frequently, you see a surprising lack of them used in pvp. Electronic attack frigs are shunned because of their fragility, Marauders because of their building cost.
I think Eve need new medium warships, from destroyers to battlecruisers.
There are alot of ships in that range, incl. command ships, BC, HAC and others. The reason why they are flown less is the superiority of nano boats over conventional tank-fitted ships. This renders those ships pretty much useless in daily pvp. Hopefully we will get to know why the nano nerf was excluded from the Money Rise expansion as well.
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:57:00 -
[62]
Originally by: adriaans
while 'outdated' info, it was interesting, but i wish there was more covered
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
So do I. So much data - so little time. My future vision of this is that the players become more active in doing their own analysis. More on that on FANFEST!
For those of us unable to attend FANFEST this year (i.e. the vast majority of players), will you be posting a devblog on this topic during/after FANFEST?
MDD
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:25:00 -
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i finally got around to reading it...
a) 223/d covetors built, 30/d lost ... so far so good
b) 14777/30d = ~492 hulks/d produced
i don't see how that's possible...
and what about reprocessing all those cute "i mined it so i got it for free" empire orgies?
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:41:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: adriaans
while 'outdated' info, it was interesting, but i wish there was more covered
So do I. So much data - so little time. My future vision of this is that the players become more active in doing their own analysis. More on that on FANFEST!
maybe break the QEN into sections and assign each section to somebody :-) this way we have a solid structure and know who to blame/contact for feedback for the sections.
Dumping all the raw data once a month would be nice. I like playing with spreadsheets.
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Digital Anarchist
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.10.17 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
and what about reprocessing all those cute "i mined it so i got it for free" empire orgies?
Why exactly are you complaining about that?
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.17 17:53:00 -
[66]
Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 17/10/2008 17:54:46
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
a) 223/d covetors built, 30/d lost ... so far so good
b) 14777/30d = ~492 hulks/d produced
i don't see how that's possible...
It's completely possible if one has a stockpile of Covetors. What you should have asked is "I don't see how that's sustainable." Ans: It isn't. But the underlying problem is reading comprehension. The report states that 14,777 Hulks were produced over the reporting period, which is 1Q2008, which is 91 days, not 30 days. So 14,777/91 = 162 per day, which is under the net Covetor production rate of 193 per day.
MDD
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Joskken Inx
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.17 20:54:00 -
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Tried to download it twice
"The file is damaged and could not be repaired"
That's Firefox. IE worked fine.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.17 21:51:00 -
[68]
Originally by: huxorator
Originally by: Shadowsword
Now about ships. While new ships have been added frequently, you see a surprising lack of them used in pvp. Electronic attack frigs are shunned because of their fragility, Marauders because of their building cost.
I think Eve need new medium warships, from destroyers to battlecruisers.
There are alot of ships in that range, incl. command ships, BC, HAC and others. The reason why they are flown less is the superiority of nano boats over conventional tank-fitted ships. This renders those ships pretty much useless in daily pvp. Hopefully we will get to know why the nano nerf was excluded from the Money Rise expansion as well.
QFT. Just because YOU can't shoot nano's in pvp doesn't mean that is the case.
EAS ships can be found all over pvp, they are great for roaming gangs.
Today I used a destroyer to own a ceptor sitting on a gate with his buddies.
BC's such as the myrm, cane, harb, and drake are seen ALL the time in pvp, something you obviously know nothing about.
PVP is fine, you need some lessons.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.10.17 22:25:00 -
[69]
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
Dear Dr.EnyoG,
The position T2 BPOs have within the EVE market .......
We plan on reporting more on the T2 market and T2 production in QEN Q3 2008(due in December) and QEN Q4 2008 (due in January 2009).
Very good news. I, and I'm sure many inventors with me, will be looking forward to these QENs, hoping that they will lead to adjustments that set right what has been left simmering for a long time now.
I'm aware that this is not an easy subject/problem to address, but I'm confident that an answer benefiting all players and the game in the long run will be the result, even if that means facing the opposition of the few and priviledged.
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Iss Mneur
Gallente
ARK-CORP
SATRAPY
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Posted - 2008.10.17 22:34:00 -
[70]
Originally by: El'essar Viocragh
Edited by: El''essar Viocragh on 16/10/2008 22:31:16
It is nothing short of cruel to publish all these shiny pictures so small and inside a PDF.
Nice QEN too. Your results about Procurers however raise the question how you handled Procurers that got turned into Skiffs. Because honestly, noone uses them, as you are just hours away from a Retriever and you can outmine them with pretty much anything short of a Rookie Ship.
Same is true for the Covetor for some parts, as its training is far away from a Retriever but very close to a Hulk, though there are environments where one would prefer the Cov over a Hulk, so it isn't as bad as the Proc.
It is.
What is worse is the tiny graphs and charts at the end of the report.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.10.17 22:45:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Edited by: Gamer4liff on 17/10/2008 11:58:42
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
For gods sake don't start that idiotic T2 BPO debate in this thread.
You only call it idiotic because you have T2 BPOs and want to milk that unfair advantage for as long as you can.
Also, as someone who doesn't seems to be able to grasp the concept of (market) PvP, I don't think you're in a position to call anything idiotic. Unless ofcourse you're self-applying that term. In which case, I'm inclined to agree.
For the rest of us though, you're agenda is rather transparent.
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Puritalas Frame
Space Salvage Incorperated
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Posted - 2008.10.18 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Puritalas Frame on 18/10/2008 14:49:06
If you are going to look at T2 BPO's in a future report, some information I'd like to see would be a breakdown of the number of ship, module and ammo BPO's added to the game originally, number of BPO's still present, i.e. not destroyed, and of those still present the number owned by active subscription accounts.
You may also want to comment on how quite a number of inventors seem to fail to understand the concepts of opportunity cost and market research. Most of these points come up every time someone raises a post on T2 BPO's so a quick search of the forums will show you the oft repeated stances on them.
One final thing would be to state CCP's official view on what invention was to achieve. Again, this might help to steer future T2 BPO discussions into new ground rather than the same points being brought up each time.
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Kendar
Gallente
Disney inc
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:23:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Kendar on 18/10/2008 20:24:18
Could we get numers on how manny ships there are of each kind in eve as well? i would be very interested in seeing the numbers on capitals and super capitals
Not so interested in knowing about mining barges, im more interested in knowing the numbers on capitals and ammount destroyed
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.18 20:33:00 -
[74]
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: adriaans
while 'outdated' info, it was interesting, but i wish there was more covered
So do I. So much data - so little time. My future vision of this is that the players become more active in doing their own analysis. More on that on FANFEST!
any way we could get an export market history to file? we already have export market data. whole bunch of stuff I'm sure players could do with that 
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.19 04:54:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Megan Maynard
BC's such as the myrm, cane, harb, and drake are seen ALL the time in pvp, something you obviously know nothing about.
PVP is fine, you need some lessons.
FWIW, in 3 months I have yet to see a single one of those BCs in a roaming gang through our space. But I see Rapiers, Falcons, Arazus and Vagabonds multiple times a day flown by different reds. Even the one Stain guy with enormous gonads of steel (he goes roaming solo in a megathron or domi or cerb) hasn't brought one yet.
There's more to PvP than gate camping NPC space in Curse you know.
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Malik Mantille
Minmatar
Dark Sun Collective
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Posted - 2008.10.19 09:45:00 -
[76]
One quick question... If 20% of all players submitted at least one job in production, were you counting the 1 or two we perform in those new player missions? If so, I fear it is skewed.
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Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:25:00 -
[77]
Thank you very much for the new QEN Dr.EyjoG! I love them.
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2008.10.20 14:43:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
My questions are as follow: will the position of T2 BPOs within the T2 market be addressed in a future Quarterly Economic Newsletter, and if so, when may that be, and will it include measures to be used to address the situation (as was the case with the shuttle refining situation)?
Regardless of where one sits on the argument over T2 BPOs, I think a blog or report giving a real analysis (with actual numbers) of the issue would be fascinating. It could also be a nice central point where people could actually link to in order to support their assertions.
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.20 17:23:00 -
[79]
I think that the 0.0 figures are a little misleading. Most of the southern areas of 0.0 I find are empty for the vast majority of time, with large blobs occasionally passing through bumping up the jumps count.
Also, would be interesting if you could do some regional reports. I'd be most interested in seeing a case study between Providence, where we operate the NRDS legal system and have open borders to anyone, vs some regions where the "civilian" population is made up by rent paying alliances
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CCP Dr.EyjoG
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Posted - 2008.10.20 17:48:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
..... would be interesting if you could do some regional reports. I'd be most interested in seeing a case study between Providence, where we operate the NRDS legal system and have open borders to anyone, vs some regions where the "civilian" population is made up by rent paying alliances
We would only be able to do regional comparison and analysis for the regions with the largest trade hubs (i.e. the Forge, Heimatar, Domain, Sinq Laison, Citadel, etc.) in order to avoid revealing any alliance or corp related info. We have done some regional comparison like this before (see the end of this devblog) and I found that very interesting. So a good suggestion and we will see what we can do in the future QENs.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.20 18:04:00 -
[81]
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
We would only be able to do regional comparison and analysis for the regions with the largest trade hubs (i.e. the Forge, Heimatar, Domain, Sinq Laison, Citadel, etc.) in order to avoid revealing any alliance or corp related info.
Just ask them. I bet that the people holding providence will gladly allow you to do some analysis and reveal it to the public.
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.20 19:20:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 20/10/2008 19:23:27
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
..... would be interesting if you could do some regional reports. I'd be most interested in seeing a case study between Providence, where we operate the NRDS legal system and have open borders to anyone, vs some regions where the "civilian" population is made up by rent paying alliances
We would only be able to do regional comparison and analysis for the regions with the largest trade hubs (i.e. the Forge, Heimatar, Domain, Sinq Laison, Citadel, etc.) in order to avoid revealing any alliance or corp related info. We have done some regional comparison like this before (see the end of this devblog) and I found that very interesting. So a good suggestion and we will see what we can do in the future QENs.
It is all political of course, and I guess so are my motives. Since we want to encourage neutral traders and pilots to our space, to have a report on how our system works and what we're doing in the region, how it differs from others (afaik we're the only 0.0 region that let people in our space rent free) would generate interest at the very least and help improve our reputation
But was more just interested at trade volumes by region. How many billions or trillions of isk in minerals and modules pass through the markets of the various 0.0 regions?
edit: Also, I know for a fact that go to catch, especially outside of Russian timezone and the place is dead. (Amandi will kill me for shouting this all over forums, but) Providence you'll struggle to find a system where you're the only person in it in Euro and US timezones. But we don't make your high traffic list in this latest QEN
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BlondieBC
Minmatar
7th Tribal Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.21 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Nice newletter.
I think Eve need new medium warships, from destroyers to battlecruisers.
- The 0.0 landscape. It is human nature, when planning an offensive or trying to resist an incoming offensive, to seek advantage over the opponent, which mean having superior numbers. That mean factions always get bigger and bigger, and well, you know the result. Lag, lag, huge lag, and lots of 0.0 regions are relatively devoid of life. Because the players holding it are busy fighting elsewhere, and because large entities can't tolerate smaller ones unless they're allies/renters.
I don't see this as a healthy situation for the game. But, because it would be going against human nature, the steps taken to solve this, if CCP wish to do it, will have to be extremes. How to stop too many players from siding together? The only way I see to do it would be to put a cap on alliance size, and removing any ingame way from one alliance to distinguish one neutral from another in 0.0. No alliance tag, no show info, no standings, no local communication. While this is indeed extreme, try to imagine 5 minutes how 0.0 would be like with those changes. I honestly think Eve would be more fun...
Agreed, more medium new ships that players can afford to lose, and less lag. Fleet battles and POS warfare is about as fun as treating toe fungus.
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Allvan Harl
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Posted - 2008.10.23 01:00:00 -
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Great QEN. I've read it twice and hunger for more info!
Any chance you could make some data available in each QEN? I'd like to see info in each QEN on the spread of total skillpoints and the spread of skillpoints amongst skill categories.
Again, thanks for the QEN! I look forward to the next ones.
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Eve Goetterdaemmerung
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Posted - 2008.11.01 12:00:00 -
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I am (or was!?) actually a fan of these Economic Reports and therefore of Dr.EyjoG himself...
But delivering a quaterly report 5 month late is simply worthless - the numbers are interesting history, but not relevant market data anymore! If I would do that in my job i would get fired! I think this just shows that he does not take this serious (or does not get paid enough to take it serious).
So either do this right or don't waste our and your time with meaningless statistics!
Eve G.
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Arc D'landrus
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.11.07 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Eve Goetterdaemmerung
...delivering a quaterly report 5 month late is simply worthless..So either do this right or don't waste our and your time with meaningless statistics!
Eve G.
Rawr.
But the point does remain. This is a quarterly report that's been delivered absurdly late, and without bothering to run around with the blame game, it seems as though the most logical course would have been to just forgo the time spent on it, and leave it as a footnote to the forthcoming quarter, rather than spend even more time to finish it.
As far as the future quarter report's go; donĘt stop the work, but keep in mind, the pooch clearly got screwed. 
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 14/11/2008 16:47:27
Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Dr.EyjoG, You are not forgiven. If you had taken 2 minutes to put up a post at the time the QENs were due, explaining that you were understaffed/overtaxed, then you might have been.
Missing schedule: forgivable if communicated.
Failure to communicate: unforgivable.
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Very good point! And agreed!
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
But the good news is that the we have solved our resource problem by adding more good people to the CCP team and aim to be back on track with publishing the 2nd Quarter QEN before mid of November, the 3rd Quarter QEN in December and the 4th Quarter QEN on schedule in January.
Dr.EyjoG,
By my calendar, today is now 14-Nov, the midpoint (weekday) of November*. Please take 2 minutes to either post the 2Q QEN, or a note explaining the delay and an updated ETA for it.
Regards,
MDD
(*) The 15th would be the midpoint, but that is Saturday, and I am not such a taskmaster that I consider it fair to include it as a normal workday. YMMV
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Layla
Twisted Creations
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Posted - 2008.11.18 13:49:00 -
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Callib Gor'Karrithe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.19 16:29:00 -
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I think the devs just forbade the good Dr. from use of their tradmarked "Soon" temporal measurement to give a time of release for the QEN. I'm sure it'll be out before the end of the month.
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.19 17:05:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Callib Gor'Karrithe
I think the devs just forbade the good Dr. from use of their tradmarked "Soon" temporal measurement to give a time of release for the QEN. I'm sure it'll be out before the end of the month.
I'm certain it will be out before the end of a month. The question is: which month?
I'm considering starting an old-fashioned betting pool on it.
MDD
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