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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:59:00 -
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You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.
When asked on Funky Bacon if he thought the ban against him was deserved he answered "I'm fine to take it."
In state of the goons his comment was "I was ******, but we will go on".
The truth is, he doesn't think the ban was a reasonable thing for CCP to do TO HIM. He doesn't really feel more sorry for the victim of HIS actions than he feels for HIMSELF, completely forgetting that the fallout he's currently going through is a result of HIS actions.
After an apology he seems to consider that the matter is closed, however as the media cannot apologise for labeling him a "cyber bully" that will be an ongoing tear-fest for him.
Now cyber bully is a term used mostly in america for teens convicing each other to kill themselves, or hurt themselves over the internet. His entire claim that this doesn't hold true for him is that neither he nor the guy he did this same act to were teens.
However, the fact the guy was already depressed and fighting suicidal thoughts, doesn't seem to enter into this definition at all.
This only continues the thoroughly disgusting behaviour he entered into on the night, his ego driving haphazardly through the world not wishing to be hindered by the awful pubbies that he has to put up with.
This guy is a turd, I can't believe all the goons cannot see through his perception management routines.
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Kehro Urgus
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:01:00 -
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*groans*
Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Talamant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:01:00 -
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Too long, didn't read. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:01:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:*groans*
Yeah, sorry, had to be done ;)
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
262
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:02:00 -
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Talamant wrote:Too long, didn't read.
Words are good for you.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
1151
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:03:00 -
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Haven't we had enough of this?
You haven't got anything new to add to the discussion, there are plenty of existing threads for this discussion, and you don't even present your argument cogently.
Please find the other threads on this issue (hint: there is at least one in the EVE Information Portal).
IBTL.
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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
147
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:04:00 -
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Seriously, who gives a crap? He was offensive and drunk, as most alliance leaders often are. This topic is so childish, even more so than the original actions that spawned it...
In CCP's words, harden the **** up and go worry about something else. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
150
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:04:00 -
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/facepalm
TLDR ship toast harder. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
262
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:06:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Haven't we had enough of this?
You haven't got anything new to add to the discussion, there are plenty of existing threads for this discussion, and you don't even present your argument cogently.
Please find the other threads on this issue (hint: there is at least one in the EVE Information Portal).
IBTL.
There are no threads on his CURRENT actions.
The interview was last night, I'd say that's a new addition to the discussion.
As far as presenting "arguments" I'm not, I'm presenting FACTS.
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Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels
NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:09:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:
This guy is a turd, I can't believe all the goons cannot see through his perception management routines.
Seeing through it and identifiying with it are two entierely different things. But yes, it is odd either way. 
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
150
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:09:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Haven't we had enough of this?
You haven't got anything new to add to the discussion, there are plenty of existing threads for this discussion, and you don't even present your argument cogently.
Please find the other threads on this issue (hint: there is at least one in the EVE Information Portal).
IBTL.
There are no threads on his CURRENT actions. The interview was last night, I'd say that's a new addition to the discussion. As far as presenting "arguments" I'm not, I'm presenting FACTS.
No one gives a flying **** anymore.
Go talk about RMT instead.
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Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp
AAA Citizens
15
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:16:00 -
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Talamant wrote:Too long, didn't read.
There is the proof folks been wanting...GOONS are
too lazy to read
run missions
mine
wipe owns butt
crying when everyone dog piles them for what they have done to SOOOOO MANY in the game
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:18:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath,
I would not say anyone "IS" a sociopath based only on game stuff.
But its true that everything we have seen since weve met him is consistent with that condition.
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Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels
NightSong Directorate
20
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:19:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Seriously, who gives a crap? He was offensive and drunk, as most alliance leaders often are. This topic is so childish, even more so than the original actions that spawned it...
In CCP's words, harden the **** up and go whine about something else, and on some other "eve drama" forum. It's hardly a childish topic, but yes a severe lack of maturity is what set it all off. In The Mittanni's words "deal with it".
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Propmod
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:21:00 -
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Sweet! I LOVE new threads! Specially bout the mittani! This is awesome, OP you've brought an amazingly fresh and new perspective to the table here! I didnt actually read it but... I'm sure it was new and exciting! Thank you for your valuable contribution. |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels
NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:22:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Talamant wrote:Too long, didn't read. There is the proof folks been wanting...GOONS are too lazy to read run missions mine wipe owns butt crying when everyone dog piles them for what they have done to SOOOOO MANY in the game KARMA But when it comes to leg humping Mitani, they have plenty of energy for that.
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Ai Shun
545
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:24:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.
You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character. You can contrast what his colleagues on the CSM, people who know him as a person - not as the in-game character, are saying about him. Those comments are radically different from what the people who only know his in-game persona and reputation are saying. Of course, that would be logic and that's something that 99.99% of the Mittani-haters don't have or want to have.
However, making claims that somebody else is a sociopath when you yourself have trouble distinguishing between what is real and what is not does not sound healthy to me. I think you need to seek help. Really mate.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:30:00 -
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This thread will go places. |
Spring Blue
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:39:00 -
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Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology.
And lots care about this. Realistically EVE is already seen by too many as a rogue game of low morals, before we could boast shush you nutters its only in game... until now. And all the goons backing his actions need to see the damage its doing to not only this great game but to there own reputation. Increasingly we see in the modern world people taking notice of internet actions when it comes job applications and living your real life... so imagine in a few years when you loose a job because your a GOON and supported this douche bag.
Too far you say.. probably.
But I'd put real money on the fact that right now Mittani is fearing for his job and career.
Too many claim to want tears, real people cry not characters, make up your mind on if your playing a game or just out to cause distress. |
Ai Shun
545
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:49:00 -
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Spring Blue wrote:Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology.
Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right?
The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit. |
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
267
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:51:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof. You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character.
This is the perception "wonderful" team working overtime.
The problem is - there isn't much of a difference. There's a name difference. There's no personality difference. We KNOW this.
If anything, the alchohol let his guard down, he sat there doing what he does best. Whether it's Alex/Mittani, it's all his creation and all his responsibility. Trying to shirk that responsibility by saying "that's not really ME" then which human being is it ?
He apologies rang false - even to the victim, and he can't even admit that the ban was fair play by CCP.
I think this shows EXACTLY who he is - and nothing to do with the mittani "character".
I don't even see this argument. You're suggesting that the leader of goonswarm ... is a roleplayer?
Ok good luck with that one.
He's playing the "evil overlord of goonswarm" ?
Please dude, that insults everyone's intelligence in SO many ways.
He's just being.... him.
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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:57:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof. You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character. This is the perception "wonderful" team working overtime. The problem is - there isn't much of a difference. There's a name difference. There's no personality difference. We KNOW this. If anything, the alchohol let his guard down, he sat there doing what he does best. Whether it's Alex/Mittani, it's all his creation and all his responsibility. Trying to shirk that responsibility by saying "that's not really ME" then which human being is it ? He apologies rang false - even to the victim, and he can't even admit that the ban was fair play by CCP. I think this shows EXACTLY who he is - and nothing to do with the mittani "character". I don't even see this argument. You're suggesting that the leader of goonswarm ... is a roleplayer? Ok good luck with that one. He's playing the "evil overlord of goonswarm" ? Please dude, that insults everyone's intelligence in SO many ways. He's just being.... him.
You are attributing a lot to the person based off his in-game character. Yes, he made a horrible mistake. He admitted it and apologised, resigned and tried to recompense the miner (who wrote that EVE Mail about 5 months ago)
Are human beings allowed to make mistakes - even horrible ones?
Can they atone for that?
Or do you really think he is a "sociopath"? I think you are stretching credulity here a bit and letting your hatred of Goonswarm and the Mittani affect your judgement as a human being; but that is my opinion. |
Sister Rhode
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:57:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.
Outside of the fanfest debacle, provide some sort of evidence to support this. Sure he's made some people cry for losing ships, isk balances, dread caches, space and trusted directors in-game, but all of that is a part of Eve, and encouraged by the game's culture.
You are making claims that Alex is a horrible person in real life, which is 100% unfounded and completely ridiculous.
You don't even know the guy. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
267
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:06:00 -
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Sister Rhode wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.
Outside of the fanfest debacle, provide some sort of evidence to support this. Sure he's made some people cry for losing ships, isk balances, dread caches, space and trusted directors in-game, but all of that is a part of Eve, and encouraged by the game's culture. You are making claims that Alex is a horrible person in real life, which is 100% unfounded and completely ridiculous. You don't even know the guy.
That WAS amazingly enough - real life. Most of what we do here, is actual people talking to other ... actual people. The relationships we form here are real enough - even if the gameplay isn't.
If you logged into game tomorrow and got harassed in game constantly by your own corp or alliance and there was no let up.
You'd not leave because you're playing a role and who cares amirite ? Or would you do the human thing and just up and leave ?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want eve to change. However, I think certain cultures need to. I don't think the rest of us need to subject ourselves to what's "normal in america".
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
190
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:10:00 -
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Well, I guess we're in the "aftermath phase" now. Hopefully that'll just help all this stuff fade away and everyone can move on.
I don't think Mittani believes he deserved to be banned. He definitely did one hell of a job skirting the question on EVE Radio last night at least. I get the impression that he feels the harshness of his punishment (ban, removal from CSM, etc.) was to "make an example" of him because of the increased corporate presence/pressure due to the forthcoming release of Dust. Given the evidence we have at hand it seems possible, and maybe even probable.
There's no denying that in the aftermath of this he is "criminal-turned-victim" in a certain sense. In their pursuit of stories the gaming media has distorted some facts surrounding both him and the incident (to the point of borderline libel), people threatening him and his family with physical harm, someone apparently calling the police and sending them to his house...yeah. Some of these wrongs are being corrected, some aren't. All are most likely affecting him negatively to some degree though. I know they would me.
I think a lot of people are allowing their personal feelings cloud their judgement of this incident and keep them from examining the actual facts. Whether or not you like Mittani is irrelevant. He's certainly a polarizing figure. However, none of that matters in a situation that's supposed to be decided objectively. That's how this kind of thing works. Just ask Aristotle: "The law is reason free from passion."If we start declaring people guilty of stuff simply because we don't like those people, we descend into anarchy. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:10:00 -
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Basically, the point is...
There's a huge difference between apologising for something because it's the right thing to do and you're truly repentant.
And apologising for something because it's politically expedient.
It's only on further analysis of the person's disposition toward any punishment that you can tell the difference.
His inability to say that the ban was justified kind of speaks volumes.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:12:00 -
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I'm tired of this monkey fighting posts on this Monday to Friday forum.... |
Spring Blue
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:13:00 -
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Sister Rhode wrote:Outside of the fanfest debacle, provide some sort of evidence to support this. Sure he's made some people cry for losing ships, isk balances, dread caches, space and trusted directors in-game, but all of that is a part of Eve, and encouraged by the game's culture.
You are making claims that Alex is a horrible person in real life, which is 100% unfounded and completely ridiculous.
You don't even know the guy.
1, Most wouldn't care either way if not for the debacle, EVE is EVE.
2, Until the debacle.
3, Since the debacle, many now probably go good why would I want to know him, and even a few forum posts from people who did know his now wish they didn't.
There's always been a very very fine line in how people perceive mittani and the goons. Some hated him and them anyway so no change, but a hell of a lot of fence sitters now think.. oh so every excuse we ever heard before was just crap and he is a complete douche out the game as well. And you back up your hero as a sheep, and we'll think that about you too.
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Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels
NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:13:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Spring Blue wrote:Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology. Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right? The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit. The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not. 
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
267
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:14:00 -
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I think the day before yesterday I made a post saying I don't think they should ban him...
After the eve radio interview however, I think they probably should've made it permanent.
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