*groans*

Too long, didn't read.

Haven't we had enough of this?

You haven't got anything new to add to the discussion, there are plenty of existing threads for this discussion, and you don't even present your argument cogently.

Please find the other threads on this issue (hint: there is at least one in the EVE Information Portal).

IBTL.

This guy is a turd, I can't believe all the goons cannot see through his perception management routines.

There are no threads on his CURRENT actions.

The interview was last night, I'd say that's a new addition to the discussion.

As far as presenting "arguments" I'm not, I'm presenting FACTS.

Too long, didn't read.

You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath,

Seriously, who gives a crap? He was offensive and drunk, as most alliance leaders often are. This topic is so childish, even more so than the original actions that spawned it...

In CCP's words, harden the **** up and go whine about something else, and on some other "eve drama" forum.

There is the proof folks been wanting...GOONS are

too lazy to read
run missions
mine
wipe owns butt
crying when everyone dog piles them for what they have done to SOOOOO MANY in the game


KARMA

You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.

Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology.

There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character.

This is the perception "wonderful" team working overtime.

The problem is - there isn't much of a difference. There's a name difference. There's no personality difference. We KNOW this.

If anything, the alchohol let his guard down, he sat there doing what he does best. Whether it's Alex/Mittani, it's all his creation and all his responsibility. Trying to shirk that responsibility by saying "that's not really ME" then which human being is it ?

He apologies rang false - even to the victim, and he can't even admit that the ban was fair play by CCP.

I think this shows EXACTLY who he is - and nothing to do with the mittani "character".

I don't even see this argument. You're suggesting that the leader of goonswarm ... is a roleplayer?

Ok good luck with that one.

He's playing the "evil overlord of goonswarm" ?

Please dude, that insults everyone's intelligence in SO many ways.

He's just being.... him.

You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.

Outside of the fanfest debacle, provide some sort of evidence to support this. Sure he's made some people cry for losing ships, isk balances, dread caches, space and trusted directors in-game, but all of that is a part of Eve, and encouraged by the game's culture.

You are making claims that Alex is a horrible person in real life, which is 100% unfounded and completely ridiculous.

You don't even know the guy.

Outside of the fanfest debacle, provide some sort of evidence to support this. Sure he's made some people cry for losing ships, isk balances, dread caches, space and trusted directors in-game, but all of that is a part of Eve, and encouraged by the game's culture.

You are making claims that Alex is a horrible person in real life, which is 100% unfounded and completely ridiculous.

You don't even know the guy.

Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right?



See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit.

Basically, the point is...

There's a huge difference between apologising for something because it's the right thing to do and you're truly repentant.
And apologising for something because it's politically expedient.

It's only on further analysis of the person's disposition toward any punishment that you can tell the difference.

His inability to say that the ban was justified kind of speaks volumes.

The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not.

The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not.

And you do not know the guy. You are making a judgement; one that looks incorrect based off the comments from people who actually do know him.

Anyway, I'm tired of trying to reason with people like you. You have an axe to grind and I don't need to convince you otherwise - because not even the CEO of CCP or The Wis himself coming on here to tell you to move on will help you get over whatever is making you this unreasonable.

What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether.

The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not.

See above about, for example, the alcohol. You don't have a clue what is going on. But let's see something.

I cancelled two of my three accounts as a protest against the lack of CCP response to this issue. Beyond bitching on a forum, what have you done to communicate your displeasure to CCP?

Or are you just a forum warrior out to get the Mittani?

See above about, for example, the alcohol. You don't have a clue what is going on. But let's see something.

I cancelled two of my three accounts as a protest against the lack of CCP response to this issue. Beyond bitching on a forum, what have you done to communicate your displeasure to CCP?

Or are you just a forum warrior out to get the Mittani?

Also, the CEO wouldn't have tweeted that he still thinks Mittani is a good guy.

Argh now we are going to have a hundred Hilmur is the devil threads.

I would have thought it opened up the discussion to "was CCP to easy on Mittens because of friendships?" Personally I don't think so but someone will continue on with it.

Words are good for you.

You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character. You can contrast what his colleagues on the CSM, people who know him as a person - not as the in-game character, are saying about him. Those comments are radically different from what the people who only know his in-game persona and reputation are saying. Of course, that would be logic and that's something that 99.99% of the Mittani-haters don't have or want to have.

However, making claims that somebody else is a sociopath when you yourself have trouble distinguishing between what is real and what is not does not sound healthy to me. I think you need to seek help. Really mate.

If not.... you really dont know do you :)

I don't give a crap about Mittani, I'd really like to see CCP come down hard on this kind of behaviour however.

Yes, the other members of the CSM that know him in person and has spoken out in support could all be lying or wrong instead of one random person who doesn't know him being wrong. Maybe he really is such an evil person he managed to dupe them all?

As far as presenting "arguments" I'm not, I'm presenting FACTS.

That is what sociopaths do :) They "seduce" people around them, and people who dont know what sociopaths do.. wont see it.

As far as presenting "arguments" I'm not, I'm presenting FACTS.

Have you your self met Mittani Irl ?
If not.... you really dont know do you :)

People should really go read up on what defines a sociopath.
They are not very uncommon, especially not around the internet.

Ya.

Anyways, how about consideration of these "FACTS".

Explain why there is no accountability on CCP when they have effectively operated a drunken work place.

If I was running a building site, made it a drunken **** up then sent someone into the crowd with a nail gun, who would be at fault when someone lost an eye?

Mittens was wrong and has been held, and held himself accountable. CCP, the Sony controlled rubber faced PR Corporation has dodged all accountability on this one like the weak bunch of cunts they obviously are.

I say this for no love for Mittens, Goons or anyone else in their pay.

Yeah, sorry, had to be done ;)

That is what sociopaths do :) They "seduce" people around them, and people who dont know what sociopaths do.. wont see it.

finfleet people couldn't possibly stand to benefit from their long-time ally, the mittani, going down

thus there is no reason for finfleet people to fabricate things about him

Have you your self met Mittani Irl ?
If not.... you really dont know do you :)

Edit: Calling the Mittani names isn't going to get you your Titans back.

He is a lawyer his professional job is to make others think and believe what he says, with any and all means at his disposal.
He has been part of a team that has to vote on issues for quite a while.
He has all throughout that maintained another persona of "the mittani" that is different to himself in the meetings.
Why is it such a stretch to believe that the persona he has had all along in those meetings is also false? He wanted them to agree and vote for his idea's.. of course he was friendly with them he'd be an idiot if he wasn't.

His own maintenance of "the mittani" persona damns him in this, as he has already proved that duplicity is part of his nature to achieve his goals, how many of us here have seen the enormous lengths he went through to maintain that persona, the one put forward in the CSM meetings is likely just as false, the only thing we've seen of the real guy is when he was drunk with his guard down encouraging his "people" to cause a suicide.

Wake up you've been had by a pro.

Pro tip, this spin hasn't worked since goons have been trying to use it. This line of logic hasnt worked when others have tried it.

The did not hold force him to drink.

This spin wont fly. Just saying.

In this thread we battle the ever present constantly visible goon PR machine.

In this thread we battle the ever present constantly visible goon PR machine.

If by goon PR machine, you mean bored goons posting, then you are right. Posting on forums is what goons are known for. They come from a forum, themselves.

If by goon PR machine, you mean bored goons posting, then you are right. Posting on forums is what goons are known for. They come from a forum, themselves.

If by goon PR machine, you mean bored goons posting, then you are right. Posting on forums is what goons are known for. They come from a forum, themselves.

Just come upfront and admit it. No one will jump down your throat for saying, "I don't like the Mitanni, I don't believe him and I never will."

Threads like this are a lot like students in an English course being asked to analyze and write an essay about the works of Shakespeare. Their professor wants them to dig deep into the narrative and find all the subtle sub-context and hidden meanings. In reality Shakespeare probably just wanted to get paid and would find all of this very amusing.

shut up we dont want them to know our secret hangout that has nothing to even do with eve online an increasingly not bad game

Just needs Tier 2 carriers that let us fire newbies in rifters and I would just give CCP all my money.

This should be the real duty of a carrier. Multiple player transport via jumps.

Cyno -> Hotdrop -> 200-newbie rifter fleet, ATTTACCCCKKKKK~~~

Or what a supercarrier should have been to begin with.

I think its about time CCP started forum bans on anyone startingnew threads about the same thing, day after day after day.

CCP dealt with this, if you dont like it, go an dplay somethign else.

Pro tip. Duty of Care.

"I'm sorry Mittens, you are too drunk to represent us on the Alliance Panel."

he didnt seem that drunk to me.

Especially when he started his presentation mate.

The I blacked out part makes me wonder about his honesty.

Wow 9 goon posts in a row trying to derail.. getting desperate?

Wow 9 goon posts in a row trying to derail.. getting desperate?

Wow 9 goon posts in a row trying to derail.. getting desperate?

he didnt seem that drunk to me.

Especially when he started his presentation mate.

The I blacked out part makes me wonder about his honesty.

they really are you should see some of what they are doing in the other threads.

This whole thing is turning into a condemnation of Goons and the culture they have as a whole.

Well if you judge he wasn't that drunk, how do you judge if what he said was so heinous?

If it was that bad why did CCP let it be replayed as a part of the FanFest delayed coverage?

Again, to my original point it goes back to CCP's judgement and accountability.

But since you are still beating this dead horse...

The only reason you think his apology rang false is because you are prejudice against the Mitanni, Goons and Goonswarm as a whole. You don't like him and you don't like us so you're willing to keep putting your fingers in your ears and yell, "Lalalalalal I don't believe you!"

Just come upfront and admit it. No one will jump down your throat for saying, "I don't like the Mitanni, I don't believe him and I never will."

Hi, another alt.


How's things?

What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether.

He should be gone for good.

Your reasoning that we need to know personally every player that does anything wrong in order to make a judgement call on his/her actions and when listening to an interview with them in it still can't make that judgement call is spurious.

Why would ANYONE ANYWHERE listen to radio or TV interviews if this were the case ?

You're ridiculous.

]We don't like The Mittani or his 'people', we don't believe him or his 'people' and we never will.

For a loyal supporter and member of Goonswarm Alliance, you should actually learn how to spell his character name correctly. It's 'The Mittani', not 'the Mitanni'.

they really are you should see some of what they are doing in the other threads.

This whole thing is turning into a condemnation of Goons and the culture they have as a whole.

A goon having a go about alts.. hahahahahahahaha

oh man thats good.

Gimme a few mins to screeny this, its worth saving for nostalgia.

Everyone here is so used to the goon forum antics, the only people your fooling are yourselves.

nb. Remember to delete anything about go here say this on your own forums before there posted here

As if we give .01 ISK what you think about 'Goon Culture" (Or TEST culture for that matter)

As if we give .01 ISK what you think about 'Goon Culture" (Or TEST culture for that matter)

Isn't TEST culture to be negwalleted?

This has nothing to do with politics.

This has nothing to do with politics.

A guy can be blacked out drunk and still not stumble around like Michael Bolton 3. I've been told that I was blacked out drunk and I was carrying on an intelligent conversation with couch cushions.

What seems more likely to you? Drunk dude at what is essentially a party makes a joke in poor taste. Or malevolent dictator and internet spaceships terrorist intentionally calls for the death of another player, while feigning drunkenness?

It does have a lot to do with internet video game space politics for Issler and DariusIII, they're perfectly willing to destroy a person over a video game. Everyone else is just shitting on a guy because they're shuttin aspie geeks that can't seperate a game from real life. Its okay to go completely overboard because Mittens is just a videogame character am I right guys?

Oh and **** goons!

It does have a lot to do with internet video game space politics for Issler and DariusIII, they're perfectly willing to destroy a person over a video game. Everyone else is just shitting on a guy because they're shuttin aspie geeks that can't seperate a game from real life. Its okay to go completely overboard because Mittens is just a videogame character am I right guys? Let's **** on this Alex guy as much as possible because there won't be any real consequences. Thankfully Mittens is independently wealthy and doesn't need to be employed, anyone else would have been completely screwed if they had made a stupid drunknes mistake.

Oh and **** goons!

It does have a lot to do with internet video game space politics for Issler and DariusIII, they're perfectly willing to destroy a person over a video game. Everyone else is just shitting on a guy because they're shuttin aspie geeks that can't separate a game from real life. Its okay to go completely overboard because Mittens is just a video game character am I right guys? Let's **** on this Alex guy as much as possible because there won't be any real consequences. Thankfully Mittens is independently wealthy and doesn't need to be employed, anyone else would have been completely screwed if they had made a stupid drunken mistake.

Oh and **** goons!

This is the part that's really shocking me. There seems to be a whole lot of people who genuinely believe Mittani/Goons in general are literally amoral psychopaths outside of the game. While it may seem that way due to how we are big meanieheads in game, I can assure you most of us are at worst maladjusted nerds.

This is the part that's really shocking me. There seems to be a whole lot of people who genuinely believe Mittani/Goons in general are literally amoral psychopaths outside of the game. While it may seem that way due to how we are big meanieheads in game, I can assure you most of us are at worst maladjusted nerds.

No we are upset with Alex the man, because he was telling people to try to get someone to kill themselves for real.


Spin Spin Spin away sad little goon. Defend murderous acts till the end of time.

No we are upset with Alex the man, because he was telling people to try to get someone to kill themselves for real.

Isn't TEST culture to be negwalleted?

But maybe.. just maybe I'm one of the thousands of players who know how you play...

Thats just the Pony guys

No we are upset with Alex the man, because he was telling people to try to get someone to kill themselves for real.

This is the perception "wonderful" team working overtime.

The problem is - there isn't much of a difference. There's a name difference. There's no personality difference. We KNOW this.

If anything, the alchohol let his guard down, he sat there doing what he does best. Whether it's Alex/Mittani, it's all his creation and all his responsibility. Trying to shirk that responsibility by saying "that's not really ME" then which human being is it ?

He apologies rang false - even to the victim, and he can't even admit that the ban was fair play by CCP.

I think this shows EXACTLY who he is - and nothing to do with the mittani "character".

I don't even see this argument. You're suggesting that the leader of goonswarm ... is a roleplayer?

Ok good luck with that one.

He's playing the "evil overlord of goonswarm" ?

Please dude, that insults everyone's intelligence in SO many ways.

He's just being.... him.

I thought everyone knew his apology was a fake! He's obviously got to "look" sorry enough to avoid the permabanhammer, but behind the scenes he's free to rant the truth to his followers, and wage war on those who have wronged him. Cause its not "really" his fault.

I can honestly say it has nothing to do with politics for me considering 2 of my votes went to kittens.

In regards to Issler, well if it wasn't for the goons and CFC members **** posting in her CSM thread should would of never got the votes she did because nobody knew or cared who she was until you guys turned up.

That actually really annoyed me because she is the worse kind of CSM Candidate and the kind of person who should have zero input into anything, let alone a say on major decisions about the direction of the game.

Darius, I see little difference between the Goons and Darius and I know either of you will not like that but its true.

Do ponies have wallets.

As a non-Goon - I see it as the reverse. After a human being has apologised, tried restitution, been punished - I see a group of people still out with their pitchforks and witch-hunt. That is a pretty damning condemnation of you and those like you to me - people with no capacity to forgive, understand or move on.

But, difference of opinion there. It does not leave me surprised the Goonswarm is responding to you lot though.

He has apologised.
He has sent The Wis all his ISK.
He has resigned as chair of the CSM.
He has been removed from the CSM by CCP.
He has been given a 30 day ban.
He has had his real life address posted.
He has had his wife threatened with sexual violation.

What more do you want? Do you want him to be dragged through the streets and whipped? Oh wait ... you're RougeOperator. I remember you now from where The Mittani apologised. You were in there along with DMC saying how he deserved those last few things that happened to him / speaking in support of it / generally condoning it. (Take your pick of which - I forget which it was exactly).

This guy is a turd, I can't believe all the goons cannot see through his perception management routines.

He has apologised.
He has sent The Wis all his ISK.
He has resigned as chair of the CSM.
He has been removed from the CSM by CCP.
He has been given a 30 day ban.
He has had his real life address posted.
He has had his wife threatened with sexual violation.

What more do you want? Do you want him to be dragged through the streets and whipped? Oh wait ... you're RougeOperator. I remember you now from where The Mittani apologised. You were in there along with DMC saying how he deserved those last few things that happened to him / speaking in support of it / generally condoning it. (Take your pick of which - I forget which it was exactly).

He has apologised.
He has sent The Wis all his ISK.
He has resigned as chair of the CSM.
He has been removed from the CSM by CCP.
He has been given a 30 day ban.
He has had his real life address posted.
He has had his wife threatened with sexual violation.

What more do you want? Do you want him to be dragged through the streets and whipped?

He has apologised.
He has sent The Wis all his ISK.
He has resigned as chair of the CSM.
He has been removed from the CSM by CCP.
He has been given a 30 day ban.
He has had his real life address posted.
He has had his wife threatened with sexual violation.

What more do you want? Do you want him to be dragged through the streets and whipped? Oh wait ... you're RougeOperator. I remember you now from where The Mittani apologised. You were in there along with DMC saying how he deserved those last few things that happened to him / speaking in support of it / generally condoning it. (Take your pick of which - I forget which it was exactly).

They don't see it that way. They don't see the Mittens as a real person. He's a video game character, or an image in a fanfest clip. Or some noise coming out of a soundcloud recording. There is nothing we can say that will make these people associate what has happened to him as something happening to a real person. They're too deluded and socially inept for that to work.

I thought the matter settled with the CCP ruling. I thought the threadnaughts would stop and we could all be happy with the decision. But Mittani seems bent on keeping the flame alight.

What they want is an in game result. This has never had anything to do with moral outrage, it is only because the vultures saw a chance to get a result that they believe will harm the CFC. Nothing anyone says will change their stance simply for that fact.

If this had anything to do with morality, laws or protecting people the outrage would now focus on the people theratening a woman who doesnt even play Eve. They wont, because that would give no in game result.

The best thing everyone can now do is drop it until they rage themselves out, the same as you do with unmanageable children, let them scream and kick adn throw themselves around until they tire themselves out and go to sleep.

You'll note that every one of these threads was started by pubbie filth.

Actually, you need to check out all the latest tweets, blogs, voice speeches, etc that The Mittani has been doing before making your 'Bla bla bla' silver tongued statements about 'Vigilante Witch Hunts'. What I see is you proactively white knighting using any kind of excuse that you can fly, purely with the intention of clouding the issue and redirecting attention elsewhere, doing it all in true Goon fashion.

And I'm not gonna fall for your bullcrap misdirection trick of 'Burden of Proof' since the proof has already been posted in countless other threads.

They're too deluded and socially inept

You'll note that every one of these threads was started by pubbie filth.

You'll note that every one of these threads was started by pubbie filth.

The best thing everyone can now do is drop it until they rage themselves out, the same as you do with unmanageable children, let them scream and kick adn throw themselves around until they tire themselves out and go to sleep.

Generally now because of high-sec ganking gone mad though.

Don't worry about Issler. She will continue to have no actual influence on the CSM, just like before. She'll warm another seat just like her friend Darius III.

THe difference between Goons and Darius III, is that goons actually give two fucks about this game. Darius, despite his insistence, does not, as evidenced by his lack of activity on CSM6. You can ask any of the other CSM6 members about that.

That where your wrong, for the first time were seeing the real person behind the mittani, and its disturbing. To the point that we don't want him in the game, and again by you defending him you put yourself closer to the real mittani than any character he's portrayed.

Two problems, the first of which is that it's not as funny. Second, there's people on these forums who have been raging for, literally, years at us.

A guy can be blacked out drunk and still not stumble around like Michael Bolton 3. I've been told that I was blacked out drunk and I was carrying on an intelligent conversation with couch cushions.

What seems more likely to you? Drunk dude at what is essentially a party makes a joke in poor taste. Or malevolent dictator and internet spaceships terrorist intentionally calls for the death of another player, while feigning drunkenness?

Yeah, sorry, had to be done ;)

Many people probably believed his apology was sincere and were ready just to drop the matter, but then you had numerous Goons and CFC members trying to say what he did was okay in a thread that Kittens himself created saying he was wrong !!!

...while feigning drunkenness.

You obviously haven't seen anything. You saw a guy act like a drunken idiot at fanfest. He's not like that 24/7. And if he has to be an aggressive ******* now, what do you expect? He's been treated like crap by all of you without relent even after he's apologized, fallen on his sword and been thrown under a bus.

No compassion, empathy, understanding or human emotion except rage that I can discern...

Stop this stupidity. This isn't a video game anymore, this isn't pretend. This isn't going on for the fun of it. Open your door, walk outside and smell a flower.

Anyway, time to play some EVE. I'll be back tomorrow to see who has discovered events from Fanfest, are raging in a unique and special new way and who has wet their panties and who want the Mittani to fellate them as a penance.

You'll note that every one of these threads was started by pubbie filth.

As soon as all of you stop trying to justify and rationalize away the severity of The Mittani's actions, then I'll join you outside.

Reported for sexually explicit remarks.

Talk about pubbie filth, your character was created on 2011.07.23

As soon as all of you stop trying to justify and rationalize away the severity of The Mittani's actions, then I'll join you outside.

No compassion you hypocrite.

This is all about compassion, compassion that someone was hurting a stranger, and some mindless drunk idiot thought it'd be funny to make a crack at encouraging his suicide.

Don't play the damned victim card here, the fact you even try is pathetic. Someone with thousands of clearly blind followers put out a call encouraging them to provoke a suicide...

A SUICIDE.

Get it, it's all about that, no crappy pixel related rubbish comes into this.

We are trying to make you understand how wrong what he did is.. and all you can do is whine about him being the victim.

He tried to get someone.. a REAL person killed... and your defending him.

Which he has gone out of his way to apologize for and has been punished for. The only reason you're still bagging on him is because you're willfully malicious and evil.

No compassion you hypocrite.

This is all about compassion, compassion that someone was hurting a stranger, and some mindless drunk idiot thought it'd be funny to make a crack at encouraging his suicide.

Don't play the damned victim card here, the fact you even try is pathetic. Someone with thousands of clearly blind followers put out a call encouraging them to provoke a suicide...

A SUICIDE.

Get it, it's all about that, no crappy pixel related rubbish comes into this.

We are trying to make you understand how wrong what he did is.. and all you can do is whine about him being the victim.

He tried to get someone.. a REAL person killed... and your defending him.

My my, are you allowed to say such things of people who aren't goons?

Do you honestly think he was at all serious? Or that anyone listening to his presentation wouldn't know straight away that they'd be perma-banned if they followed his request?

This really is a quality post. Shame about the "none of that actually happened" part.

Do you honestly think he was at all serious? Or that anyone listening to his presentation wouldn't know straight away that they'd be perma-banned if they followed his request?

No I honestly believe justice has not been done.

A 30 day ban from a computer game for the fact that someone could of died due to his evil malicious actions.

Thats not punishment thats a joke.

I truly believe that the game has nothing to do with this, apart from it is what gave him the platform to do such a thing.

No I honestly believe justice has not been done.

A 30 day ban from a computer game for the fact that someone could of died due to his evil malicious actions.

Thats not punishment thats a joke.

I truly believe that the game has nothing to do with this, apart from it is what gave him the platform to do such a thing.

Its actually a remarkable evolution of the Eve-Online community that they only want Mittens to have his life ruined over a drunken remark and not every goon in the game. Two years ago the filth would be howling for all our blood.

Eh? Well, I don't really think.... more because he Mittani is big enough to fill their eyes. Otherwise they would be suggested we were all conspirators and should be banned or something.

Giving out all our addresses so people could threaten our dogs would be a bit harder. But if they got Boat's dog, we'd be helpless.

Spring Blue is only saying these things for the purposes of trolling at this point. He can't actually be serious about any of this. If he is I hope he's seeing a psychiatrist.

Thanks for the perfect example of not knowing when to stop.

Anybody who has the ability to read that thread will see enough posts by Goons/CFC made for the sole purpose of trying to make people mad, and you know, it worked, hence the 200+ page thread.

If you guys put as much energy into EVE as you did with these vapid posts concerning a ship that has already sailed then perhaps you would be seen as something more than a pubbie....

There have been a few people on here suggesting that, actually. I mean going after all the Goons, not just Mittani.

You haven't read a thing any of us has posted. We're not trying to rationalize it. We've been outright talking about his apology and his resignation and his getting hucked under a bus by CCP. We're being very open about his **** up. Not one goon in this thread has tried to rationalize his actions. We're trying to get the rest of you to act like decent human beings and accept the fact that a dude messed up and made up for it. If you make a mistake in real life do you really expect everyone you know to bag on you about it for the rest of your life?

Ah there you have it.

I don't have a dog by the way. It certainly is not capable of operating a blackbird.

I don't even know myself at his point. It feels like ... like rage powerful enough to overpower titans. Get it?

I have read it.

Your reply loses all credibility when you say he was 'hucked under a bus by CCP'. Also the fact that the apology and resignation was just a ploy at trying to lessen the repercussion and fallout due to a blatant disregard of human morality. Especially since his actions after the fact show that the remorse for his conduct, which he stated in his apology, is not sincere.

I have read it.

Your reply loses all credibility when you say he was 'hucked under a bus by CCP'. Also the fact that the apology and resignation was just a ploy at trying to lessen the repercussion and fallout due to a blatant disregard of human morality. Especially since his actions after the fact show that the remorse for his conduct, which he stated in his apology, is not sincere.

That may well be the case but you see this is were the Goons have a really big problem, sometimes its actually better not to post at all.

Issler is one clear example of this, so was the Kittens apology thread.

Many people probably believed his apology was sincere and were ready just to drop the matter, but then you had numerous Goons and CFC members trying to say what he did was okay in a thread that Kittens himself created saying he was wrong !!!

On top of that you had a couple of Goons actually create posts saying how in a couple of days they will be laughing at everybody and that nobody gives **** including kittens..

So what you had was a perfectly manageable situation that most likely would of just died down, instead you provided the spark that turn it to a blazing inferno.

A lot of people were waiting for Goons/CFC Members to post something moronically stupid so they could jump all over you guys and for some reason you gave it to them.

Once that happened you simply gave CCP no choice, they had to ban him and remove him from the CSM.

I hear on sundays Mittani likes to kick babies...

Stop this stupidity. This isn't a video game anymore, this isn't pretend. This isn't going on for the fun of it. Open your door, walk outside and smell a flower.

You know that adorable Malamute puppy of his? Mittens is training it to assassinate Eve players IRL.

i remember when we were all saying that to goons that were spamming the apology thread with LOL we are laughing at you pubbies.

Now all the sudden its REAL when its convenient for you? Now that everyone is against your?

Maybe you should have listed to us from the beginning.

Maybe you should have listed to us from the beginning.

Still better than bark bark

I wasn't aware semi-literate mindless drivel was useful.

Warp to planet one, no wait warp to the gate. no wait, warp to me.

Ah crap, if you warped you're dead.

Hooray! I think we did, I think we finally killed this **** thread.

i remember when we were all saying that to goons that were spamming the apology thread with LOL we are laughing at you pubbies.

Now all the sudden its REAL when its convenient for you? Now that everyone is against your?

Maybe you should have listed to us from the beginning.

Yes defending himself against an over the top smear campaign by an ignorant media that don't even play Eve-Online nullifies the sincerity of his apology. Just like Spring Blue if you're really still insistent about not being able to forgive Mittens at this point and let it go, you're either a lunatic or a terrible troll.

Door swings both ways. Carebears are quick to call for blood when its a pirate celebrity on the chopping block.

The fact that you believe me a troll and try to brush it all under the carpet is astounding.

In his apology he even in the first line admitted it was a horrible mistake, that part I believed, everything else after that was a scripted piece of text written by a lawyer trying to cover his backside, because what he did was criminal, I truly believe that.

Keep deluding yourself that I'm doing this for the sake of it, but this wont stop here, I can't let this go.

For me being malicious, I'm not, I feel so strongly about this, but I'm not deluded like others seem to be. I also see some of the threats against him in almost the same vain. The anonymous vile internet posting is a terrible thing, and I hope he reports them. But what he did was not anonymous, he stood in a conference, a leader of thousands and tried to encourage acts that would bring about the suicide of another human being. Thats what is evil and malicous.

If you can't see that.. I pity you.

We keep pointing this out to them but they are in fact goons.

Goons Gonna Goon.

The constant white knighting by Mittani's 'People' is fueling these threads. I've said it before and I'll say it again, perform a tactical retreat from this situation. If all the sympathetic posters truly are loyal supporters of The Mittani, best thing they can do right now is stop posting and let the rage vent itself.

Eve Online has suffered and much more importantly Kittens rl has been effected by this.

I know that this post will not be popular with many people but the truth rarely is.