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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:15:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Basically, the point is...
There's a huge difference between apologising for something because it's the right thing to do and you're truly repentant. And apologising for something because it's politically expedient.
It's only on further analysis of the person's disposition toward any punishment that you can tell the difference.
His inability to say that the ban was justified kind of speaks volumes.
And you do not know the guy. You are making a judgement; one that looks incorrect based off the comments from people who actually do know him.
Anyway, I'm tired of trying to reason with people like you. You have an axe to grind and I don't need to convince you otherwise - because not even the CEO of CCP or The Wis himself coming on here to tell you to move on will help you get over whatever is making you this unreasonable. |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
268
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:15:00 -
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Jet Aeon wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Spring Blue wrote:Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology. Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right? The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit. The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not. 
Those who know the difference between right and wrong don't need the law. Those who have the law do not need to know the difference between right and wrong. !?
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:16:00 -
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Jet Aeon wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Spring Blue wrote:Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology. Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right? The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit. The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not.  Ironically enough, the underlined text suggests the opposite. He's saying "while some people could say I could blame the alcohol, I chose to drink it in the first place, therefore I'm not using that as an excuse." |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
268
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:16:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote: And you do not know the guy. You are making a judgement; one that looks incorrect based off the comments from people who actually do know him.
Anyway, I'm tired of trying to reason with people like you. You have an axe to grind and I don't need to convince you otherwise - because not even the CEO of CCP or The Wis himself coming on here to tell you to move on will help you get over whatever is making you this unreasonable.
What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether.
He should be gone for good.
Your reasoning that we need to know personally every player that does anything wrong in order to make a judgement call on his/her actions and when listening to an interview with them in it still can't make that judgement call is spurious.
Why would ANYONE ANYWHERE listen to radio or TV interviews if this were the case ?
You're ridiculous. CSM7 Skype Leak
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Ai Shun
545
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:18:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether.
See above about, for example, the alcohol. You don't have a clue what is going on. But let's see something.
I cancelled two of my three accounts as a protest against the lack of CCP response to this issue. Beyond bitching on a forum, what have you done to communicate your displeasure to CCP?
Or are you just a forum warrior out to get the Mittani?
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
117
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:19:00 -
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Jet Aeon wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Spring Blue wrote:Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology. Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right? The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit. The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not. 
Uh, but alcohol DOES put a person into a compromised mental state.
What he is saying is that he wouldn't have said anything like that if he had been sober, but that fact doesn't make it okay. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
117
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:20:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether. See above about, for example, the alcohol. You don't have a clue what is going on. But let's see something. I cancelled two of my three accounts as a protest against the lack of CCP response to this issue. Beyond bitching on a forum, what have you done to communicate your displeasure to CCP? Or are you just a forum warrior out to get the Mittani?
He is. Just another forum pubbie with an axe to grind. |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
268
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:31:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether. See above about, for example, the alcohol. You don't have a clue what is going on. But let's see something. I cancelled two of my three accounts as a protest against the lack of CCP response to this issue. Beyond bitching on a forum, what have you done to communicate your displeasure to CCP? Or are you just a forum warrior out to get the Mittani?
I actually sent email to the CCP public affairs guy. I won't be unsubbing for something someone else did out of the game ... Perhaps you're confusing in-game with out of game ?
I don't give a crap about Mittani, I'd really like to see CCP come down hard on this kind of behaviour however.
Frankly, 1 month ban for an unrepentant cyber-bully who thinks as long as people like you defend him that he can do or say anything he likes ... is lame.
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Spring Blue
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:49:00 -
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CCP clamping down on it...
If that were the case some of the last people friended by mittani's fb acount wouldn't be ccp employee's. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:51:00 -
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Also, the CEO wouldn't have tweeted that he still thinks Mittani is a good guy. |

Kehro Urgus
275
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:56:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Also, the CEO wouldn't have tweeted that he still thinks Mittani is a good guy.
Argh now we are going to have a hundred Hilmur is the devil threads.
Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
117
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:57:00 -
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Adolf Hilmar for CSM8. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:06:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Also, the CEO wouldn't have tweeted that he still thinks Mittani is a good guy. Argh now we are going to have a hundred Hilmur is the devil threads. I would have thought it opened up the discussion to "was CCP to easy on Mittens because of friendships?" Personally I don't think so but someone will continue on with it. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Kehro Urgus
275
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:13:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Also, the CEO wouldn't have tweeted that he still thinks Mittani is a good guy. Argh now we are going to have a hundred Hilmur is the devil threads. I would have thought it opened up the discussion to "was CCP to easy on Mittens because of friendships?" Personally I don't think so but someone will continue on with it.
Unfortunately, you're probably right.
Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Spring Blue
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:14:00 -
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Pretty sure that friendship will die a quick death if people keep unsubbing over this, business is business. |

Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:16:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Talamant wrote:Too long, didn't read. Words are good for you. The whole basis of your post is that they aren't... |

Isabella300
FinFleet Raiden.
13
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:17:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof. You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character. You can contrast what his colleagues on the CSM, people who know him as a person - not as the in-game character, are saying about him. Those comments are radically different from what the people who only know his in-game persona and reputation are saying. Of course, that would be logic and that's something that 99.99% of the Mittani-haters don't have or want to have. However, making claims that somebody else is a sociopath when you yourself have trouble distinguishing between what is real and what is not does not sound healthy to me. I think you need to seek help. Really mate.
Have you your self met Mittani Irl ? If not.... you really dont know do you :)
People should really go read up on what defines a sociopath. They are not very uncommon, especially not around the internet. |

Ai Shun
546
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:19:00 -
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Isabella300 wrote:If not.... you really dont know do you :)
Yes, the other members of the CSM that know him in person and has spoken out in support could all be lying or wrong instead of one random person who doesn't know him being wrong. Maybe he really is such an evil person he managed to dupe them all?
Wimpy wrote:I don't give a crap about Mittani, I'd really like to see CCP come down hard on this kind of behaviour however.
CCP has levied the punishment they think is fair. You are not willing to put your video game time at the risk of what you feel so strongly about. You playing your game is more important than this issue to you.
/shrug
Like I said, another crusader with no real point, no real conviction, grinding his axe. |

Isabella300
FinFleet Raiden.
13
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:21:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Isabella300 wrote:If not.... you really dont know do you :) Yes, the other members of the CSM that know him in person and has spoken out in support could all be lying or wrong instead of one random person who doesn't know him being wrong. Maybe he really is such an evil person he managed to dupe them all?
That is what sociopaths do :) They "seduce" people around them, and people who dont know what sociopaths do.. wont see it. |

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:22:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:As far as presenting "arguments" I'm not, I'm presenting FACTS. Ya.
Anyways, how about consideration of these "FACTS".
Explain why there is no accountability on CCP when they have effectively operated a drunken work place.
If I was running a building site, made it a drunken **** up then sent someone into the crowd with a nail gun, who would be at fault when someone lost an eye?
Mittens was wrong and has been held, and held himself accountable. CCP, the Sony controlled rubber faced PR Corporation has dodged all accountability on this one like the weak bunch of cunts they obviously are.
I say this for no love for Mittens, Goons or anyone else in their pay. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:24:00 -
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Isabella300 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Isabella300 wrote:If not.... you really dont know do you :) Yes, the other members of the CSM that know him in person and has spoken out in support could all be lying or wrong instead of one random person who doesn't know him being wrong. Maybe he really is such an evil person he managed to dupe them all? That is what sociopaths do :) They "seduce" people around them, and people who dont know what sociopaths do.. wont see it.
finfleet people couldn't possibly stand to benefit from their long-time ally, the mittani, going down
thus there is no reason for finfleet people to fabricate things about him "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |

Ai Shun
546
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:25:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:As far as presenting "arguments" I'm not, I'm presenting FACTS.
Like that fact about the alcohol, huh? You can't even get such a basic fact straight. Not much hope for the rest of your rant, mate. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
120
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:25:00 -
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Isabella300 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof. You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character. You can contrast what his colleagues on the CSM, people who know him as a person - not as the in-game character, are saying about him. Those comments are radically different from what the people who only know his in-game persona and reputation are saying. Of course, that would be logic and that's something that 99.99% of the Mittani-haters don't have or want to have. However, making claims that somebody else is a sociopath when you yourself have trouble distinguishing between what is real and what is not does not sound healthy to me. I think you need to seek help. Really mate. Have you your self met Mittani Irl ? If not.... you really dont know do you :) People should really go read up on what defines a sociopath. They are not very uncommon, especially not around the internet.
Have you your self met Mittani Irl ? If not.... you really dont know do you :)
Edit: Calling the Mittani names isn't going to get you your Titans back. |

RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
687
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:26:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:As far as presenting "arguments" I'm not, I'm presenting FACTS. Ya. Anyways, how about consideration of these "FACTS". Explain why there is no accountability on CCP when they have effectively operated a drunken work place. If I was running a building site, made it a drunken **** up then sent someone into the crowd with a nail gun, who would be at fault when someone lost an eye? Mittens was wrong and has been held, and held himself accountable. CCP, the Sony controlled rubber faced PR Corporation has dodged all accountability on this one like the weak bunch of cunts they obviously are. I say this for no love for Mittens, Goons or anyone else in their pay.
Pro tip, this spin hasn't worked since goons have been trying to use it. This line of logic hasnt worked when others have tried it.
The did not hold force him to drink.
This spin wont fly. Just saying. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
326
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:26:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:*groans* Yeah, sorry, had to be done ;)
No it really didn't. |

Kehro Urgus
275
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:26:00 -
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Isabella300 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Isabella300 wrote:If not.... you really dont know do you :) Yes, the other members of the CSM that know him in person and has spoken out in support could all be lying or wrong instead of one random person who doesn't know him being wrong. Maybe he really is such an evil person he managed to dupe them all? That is what sociopaths do :) They "seduce" people around them, and people who dont know what sociopaths do.. wont see it. Narcissist perhaps but really, all the internet lawyering and psychoanalysis lately is also somewhat self-incriminating. Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Isabella300
FinFleet Raiden.
13
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:27:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Isabella300 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Isabella300 wrote:If not.... you really dont know do you :) Yes, the other members of the CSM that know him in person and has spoken out in support could all be lying or wrong instead of one random person who doesn't know him being wrong. Maybe he really is such an evil person he managed to dupe them all? That is what sociopaths do :) They "seduce" people around them, and people who dont know what sociopaths do.. wont see it. finfleet people couldn't possibly stand to benefit from their long-time ally, the mittani, going down thus there is no reason for finfleet people to fabricate things about him
Im not fabricationg anything :) read before u answer please :) |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
120
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:28:00 -
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I wouldn't worry about the person who pretends to be a dictator on the internet. I'd worry about the people who will go to any lengths necessary to ruin him in real life. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:28:00 -
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people griefing people in eve happens ALOT it on par A comment was made while Extensively Drunk
people often shed care bear tears alot... alot of them lies.. to gain sympathy from the attacker.... its a tactic that care bears like me use.
I am digusted by those who go to the points to say I am going to commit suicide because of another greif..
People who find people and their names out of game and start making contacting them is - going way way to far.
The Mittani is a Villian... Treat him as one. But this meta game of trying to drag this take this Drunken mistake out longer is irresponable and immature.
To Take some repsonsiblity you hate thread posters ..... on to the next thread.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Isabella300
FinFleet Raiden.
13
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:28:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Isabella300 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof. You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character. You can contrast what his colleagues on the CSM, people who know him as a person - not as the in-game character, are saying about him. Those comments are radically different from what the people who only know his in-game persona and reputation are saying. Of course, that would be logic and that's something that 99.99% of the Mittani-haters don't have or want to have. However, making claims that somebody else is a sociopath when you yourself have trouble distinguishing between what is real and what is not does not sound healthy to me. I think you need to seek help. Really mate. Have you your self met Mittani Irl ? If not.... you really dont know do you :) People should really go read up on what defines a sociopath. They are not very uncommon, especially not around the internet. Have you your self met Mittani Irl ? If not.... you really dont know do you :) Edit: Calling the Mittani names isn't going to get you your Titans back.
Interesting .. i haven't called mittani anything ;-) |
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