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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.21 21:53:00 -
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Since I'm a honest decent PAYING customer I say to HELL with the ghost training 
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Thargat
Since I'm a honest decent PAYING customer I say to HELL with the ghost training
Does that mean that all those who set the long skill - while it was possible - and then went on deployment, lost their job, went on vacation, (insert whatever reason here), are dishonest? Or are you just playing at agent provocateur?
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DJ Geist
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Posted - 2008.10.22 04:40:00 -
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.22 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Thargat
Since I'm a honest decent PAYING customer I say to HELL with the ghost training
Does that mean that all those who set the long skill - while it was possible - and then went on deployment, lost their job, went on vacation, (insert whatever reason here), are dishonest? Or are you just playing at agent provocateur?
That's you putting a spin on my words, the key word here is "paying".
And it doesn't have jack to do with people using the feature/bug unintentionally. It's the ones stringing up character training time with inactive accounts that I despise. They don't contribute in-game since they're not online, they're just a waste of database as far as I'm concerned.
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tartan pixie
Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2008.10.22 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Thargat
Since I'm a honest decent PAYING customer I say to HELL with the ghost training
I'm pretty sure that most people who ghost skill have more than one account and also buy the shorter subs which cost more and are therefore among the highest paying group of players.
The object of the exercise is to net CCP as much cash as possible to get them through the credit crunch and i fail to see how enraging players and destroying the incentive to open extra accounts will help.
The most hurtful thing is the lies though - CSM's please stop towing the party line on this and give us some truth.
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Velda Chulai
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Posted - 2008.10.22 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Thargat
Since I'm a honest decent PAYING customer I say to HELL with the ghost training
Does that mean that all those who set the long skill - while it was possible - and then went on deployment, lost their job, went on vacation, (insert whatever reason here), are dishonest? Or are you just playing at agent provocateur?
That's you putting a spin on my words, the key word here is "paying".
And it doesn't have jack to do with people using the feature/bug unintentionally. It's the ones stringing up character training time with inactive accounts that I despise. They don't contribute in-game since they're not online, they're just a waste of database as far as I'm concerned.
We were all honest, decent paying customers. The difference is that we applied the mechanics in a way which coincided with the policies when we allowed our accounts to lapse - Mechanics which were previously in the player guide, and provided us incentive to return every so often.
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Aastarius
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.10.22 15:17:00 -
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No - no pay, no play seems fairly straightforward concept to me.
Those that used this in the past should be thankful it was there, consider themselves fortunate and get on with it.
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eliminator2
Gallente
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.10.22 16:11:00 -
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it doesnt surprise me ccp did that with lockin threahds in the CSM forum that may threaghten ccp tbh if it was up to me id fire the ccp that locked it for the simple fact THIS IS CSM FORUM PART ONLY SO **** OF CCP!!! onli read dnt friggin remov anythin/lock
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Efrim Black
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Velda Chulai
Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Thargat
Since I'm a honest decent PAYING customer I say to HELL with the ghost training
Does that mean that all those who set the long skill - while it was possible - and then went on deployment, lost their job, went on vacation, (insert whatever reason here), are dishonest? Or are you just playing at agent provocateur?
That's you putting a spin on my words, the key word here is "paying".
And it doesn't have jack to do with people using the feature/bug unintentionally. It's the ones stringing up character training time with inactive accounts that I despise. They don't contribute in-game since they're not online, they're just a waste of database as far as I'm concerned.
We were all honest, decent paying customers. The difference is that we applied the mechanics in a way which coincided with the policies when we allowed our accounts to lapse - Mechanics which were previously in the player guide, and provided us incentive to return every so often.
They were not intended mechanics. This was a bug which was being exploited by a tiny fraction of the population of eve. 4.6% originally if I read correctly, however this began to get out of control, they took notice and fixed the bug. It's a bug, no rights are being infringed, the cheat you were exploiting has been fixed. Learn to adapt. Why this keeps popping up in assembly hall mystifies me.
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yani dumyat
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Posted - 2008.10.22 19:18:00 -
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Ankh, I'm not getting at you here (i voted for you and will again if you run), this is about the position any communicator between CCP and the customers must be in.
This thread:
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I've already put it on the CSM agenda for tomorrow, don't worry, we read locked threads too.
csm meeting thread:
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Don't forget to add my issues to the list:
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Skill Queue and 30 Day GTC now that Ghost Training is gone
The CCCP politburo must be holding the reigns very tight to make CCP wrangler, the CSM's and every employee of CCP lie through their teeth, just what kind of stick are these people holding over you that you feel compelled to lie for them?
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Okay meeting 11 is delayed again:
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We waited 1 hour for a 7th Delegate/Alternate.
Darius Johnson Arrived at 16:00 to make it 7 but since Omber had to leave in 30mins we concluded that the meeting wasn't going to work in the 30min slot.
It is often observed that a committee is the best way to solve a problem because people use all their energy organizing and ranting which leaves the real power brokers free to do as they please. Then when the cod hits the propeller the committee has to take all the flak and i can't help feeling that this is where the CSM's are right now.
What's so magic about the number 7? Stop tying yourself up in democratic knots, I can't believe that a group of people with decent iq and computer skills can still be relying on everybody turning up at a specific time and virtual place irrespective of RL commitments. A private forum, weekly vote and nominated spokesperson could be a basic suggestion though i suspect you folks have more experience than me in these things so ...why...err...the above quote???
The stupid thing is that CCP are presumably trying to act in the best long term interests of EVE and they have one of the best customer communication tools ever in the CSM council yet they are using it like an armour repper instead of a tech III information launcher.
Please please please can the csm council sort themselves out, you are not paid by CCP so do not have to tow the party line so please have no fear in confronting the bull****. I suspect that behind the ghost training decision lies some clever business decision like homogenizing the euro/usa server with the china one, attracting RL retailers into the stations with ambulation or adding some sims style element to attract more female players but without strong CSM's who can bypass CCP's godawful PR the CCP honchos will keep shooting their feet to the detriment of all of us who love this game.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.22 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 22/10/2008 21:45:32
Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 22/10/2008 21:44:48
There's already an issue for this and I've already raised it for discussion at the next meeting. Ankh's proposal appears to suggest the need for a skill queue which I am not sure should be bundled and I don't believe I can support as I don't believe the two to be related and skill queue's have already been discussed. Should ankh unbundle that I'll be happy to remove the need to discuss the similar proposal I've added.
I do however support rolling back the ghost training removal.
Originally by: Iroku Mata
Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.10.23 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 23/10/2008 02:14:59
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
There's already an issue for this and I've already raised it for discussion at the next meeting. Ankh's proposal appears to suggest the need for a skill queue which I am not sure should be bundled and I don't believe I can support as I don't believe the two to be related and skill queue's have already been discussed. Should ankh unbundle that I'll be happy to remove the need to discuss the similar proposal I've added.
I do however support rolling back the ghost training removal.
Christ, Darius, you are breaking all sorts of preconceptions for me lately man. Stop scaring me, and do something evil, and sinister, otherwise I just might have to vote for you, damn it! 
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NanDe YaNen
The Funkalistic
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Posted - 2008.10.23 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Thargat
Since I'm a honest decent PAYING customer I say to HELL with the ghost training
Does that mean that all those who set the long skill - while it was possible - and then went on deployment, lost their job, went on vacation, (insert whatever reason here), are dishonest? Or are you just playing at agent provocateur?
Nobody said the skill couldn't train as long as the account was paid. Vacations and deployments are the subject of "we need a skill cache now." Ghost training was never necessary for extended afk sessions. It was a necessity of I-don't-pay-for-my-SP players.
Vacation and deployments shouldn't and won't kill accounts that are set up to be paid/have enough GTC's. Losing your job...quit Eve and get a life |
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