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Jack Bombardier	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:34:00 - [1] I'm talking about the kind of ship that can tell a group of pirates "You guys might want to head on back to that warp gate because this area is off limits" without fireing a single shot. A massive ship equiped to handle several smaller ships. Something that has the look of authority like the Phoenix. Mayby a titan. Perhaps a Seige ship with Assault missile launchers or something there about. Let's hear some suggestions on ships and equipment.
whisk Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:36:00 - [2] stream of rookie ships the bigger ship you bring, the more pirates gonna come Adapt or Die
Jack Bombardier	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:37:00 - [3] Variables my good man. Variables. Let's see some ideas.
Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:40:00 - [4] If your in a capital ship. Expect hostile capitals =] -----
Jack Bombardier	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:48:00 - [5] Well that depends on where you bring it or use it for. I was figuring defending POS areas.
Samaritan Azuma Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Jack Bombardier I'm talking about the kind of ship that can tell a group of pirates "You guys might want to head on back to that warp gate because this area is off limits" without fireing a single shot. haha that made me lol due to pure corn
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.10.18 11:56:00 - [7] Stick a Moros on a gate and nothing will cause you any trouble, the combination of epic blaster damage (don't forget to siege) and drone DPS turns even other capitals to dust, add in a strong tank and that intimidating butt plug look and you're on to a winner baby.
Jack Bombardier	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:03:00 - [8] Edited by: Jack Bombardier on 18/10/2008 12:04:27 Edited by: Jack Bombardier on 18/10/2008 12:04:04 Gallente huh. I thought the closest they had to a space program was throwing sharp wooden sticks labeled "ballistic missiles" into the air. Rumor has it that about a hundred of them are coming together to throw one really big sharp stick in an attempt to attack other planets. Environmental groups are already protesting the project, highlighting the potential dangers of wood-splinter fallout incase it detonates at launch. Plus the Moros kind of looks like a weiner. Mayby that's just aerodynamics.
Rajere Vicious Inc	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:05:00 - [9] Moros On a gate, in siege, if you're suicidal (not to mention, XL guns in siege have trouble hitting planets much less Battleships). On a station nudged up into a nice unbumpable spot just using your Drones to kill sub-caps, if you prefer being effective. How to Fail at Eve
mentalmonkey Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Rajere Moros On a station nudged up into a nice unbumpable spot just using your Drones to kill sub-caps. This. If you have friends pretend to be a carrier and fit some RR seen as XL guns wont be doing anything to sup caps and if caps do arrive you will be docked before you can say "log off".
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:15:00 - [11] The only variable that matters is how vertical it is. But then again it is only scary to those who don't know what it is all about. Doesn't take long to realize it's one of those funny ones. --- Put in space whales!
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Jack Bombardier I'm talking about the kind of ship that can tell a group of pirates "You guys might want to head on back to that warp gate because this area is off limits" without fireing a single shot. You'd have better luck threatening pirates in a rookie ship. If you bring out a capital you'll attract a lot of attention and many more pirates. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Dark Soldat Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:14:00 - [13] Take a Rhea paint it green write Thanathos on the sides and sit at the gates
Jack Bombardier	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:18:00 - [14] The Thanatos looks like a decent ship. Let's hear more about that one and why it's superior to the Moros.
Dark Soldat Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:21:00 - [15] Because moros cant hit me waving arms and running around on the tip of his gun the thanny with 2-3 sensor boosters with locking script should be able to scare away any small gang but for a period of 10-15 mins because they will be back to hot drop your arse with their capital fleet
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:51:00 - [16] OP is kinda missing the point. There ISNT a "wtfsolopwnmobile" that will scare away a gang of pirates. This is because Eve recognizes that one player shouldn't have the ability to beat a gang of multiple players by default just because he has a bigger ship. Thanatos sure is sexy, alright. But all it takes is one interceptor to hold you down until his buddies arrive and your expensive carrier is toast. And let's be clear, if you send a lone capital against pirates in lowsec... you'll have dozens of them coming from miles around. Nothing in the game can handle that level of firepower on its own.
Jack Bombardier	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:07:00 - [17] Yes a Thanatos can be tackled but what about the Moros? can it realisticly be tackled by say an interceptor?
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:31:00 - [18] Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 18/10/2008 15:33:58 Originally by: Jack Bombardier I'm talking about the kind of ship that can tell a group of pirates "You guys might want to head on back to that warp gate because this area is off limits" without fireing a single shot. Unfortunately, no such ship exists. Only ships that say, "You guys might want to gather up all of your friends so they can get in on a juicy capital ship kill" Originally by: Jack Bombardier A massive ship equiped to handle several smaller ships. Something that has the look of authority like the Phoenix. Mayby a titan. While neither ship will do much in terms of actually scaring people off, a Phoenix or a Moros would make good choices for engaging cub-capitals. You will need target painter support for the Phoenix, but a Moros' drones will just plain hurt anyone. Just park yourself up tight against a station where you can't be bumped off and have some fun. When the large fleet eventually comes to kill you, de-agress and dock up. Originally by: Jack Bombardier Perhaps a Seige ship with Assault missile launchers or something there about. I'm assuming that you mean a dreadnaught with citadel torpedo launchers. If you actually intend to put assault missile launchers on a dread, prepare to be the butt of a comedy killmail joke. EDIT: Originally by: Jack Bombardier Yes a Thanatos can be tackled but what about the Moros? can it realisticly be tackled by say an interceptor? Oh yes. All you need is a 'ceptor fast enough to outrun your Warrior IIs, which isn't all that hard to do. The best defense against 'ceptors is a heavy neut, and you shouldn't be finding too many of them on a dreadnaught. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Signati	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Jack Bombardier Yes a Thanatos can be tackled but what about the Moros? can it realisticly be tackled by say an interceptor? Out of siege, yes. in siege... they don't need to tackle you, your stuck. No such capital. Pirates now days are not unorganized groups of BS pilots. They have capitals, and the ability to kill yours. If you show up with t\one, they might run, only to come back, trick you into bringing it out, and kill it without mercy. you want to scare them off? Get a huge fleet of ships. E-war heavy, with logistics support.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:44:00 - [20] If you're planning on scaring away the evil pirates, think again. While dropping a carrier or Moros on a pirate gang can be a nice little pirate massacre if you do it right, if you don't KILL them and GTFO, they'll just be back with enough firepower to kill your unsupported capital. Intimidation without firing a shot is just a dream, and one that will get you killed. Now, you have a couple choices: 1) If you don't care about ever killing the pirates (for some strange reason), just get as many Scorpions as you can. With enough ECM, you should be able to protect whatever carebear ops you are running. 2) If you want a capital ship, do it right. Drop in a Moros or carrier with at least a small support fleet (even 1-5 ships can work), kill everything on the grid, and get out ASAP. Done right, you'll kill every target you can keep warp scrambled and drive off the rest. But if you just sit there expecting to scare everyone away, eventually someone with the firepower to take you down will show up. Oh, and it's still risky, you can win some fights on surprise value, but be prepared to lose the carrier.
Jack Bombardier	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:14:00 - [21] I preffer to stay away from parts that are named after someone. Meanwhile this is all for future plans I'm definitely going for the Moros. Now I need suggestions on equipment for fights against other fleets. Not station hammering equipment. Blaster Cannons is easy enough to figure out but I also want to be able to assist when forces of regular ships attack aswell.
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 18/10/2008 16:52:27 Originally by: Jack Bombardier he kind of ship that can tell a group of pirates "You guys might want to head on back to that warp gate because this area is off limits" without Not going to happen. Ever. I'm being honest here, too. This is not a smart-ass pvper epeen answer. It's just honest. If you deploy a cap without overwhelming support, even pirates that usually hate each other will come together for the chance of taking it down.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Rajere Moros On a gate, in siege, if you're suicidal (not to mention, XL guns in siege have trouble hitting planets much less Battleships). On a station nudged up into a nice unbumpable spot just using your Drones to kill sub-caps, if you prefer being effective. lol don't do this please. --
Gimpb Deathwatch Ltd	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Gimpb on 18/10/2008 17:59:54 So you want to know how to use a capital to get pirates out of a system? Easy! Putting said capital in the next system over ought to get them out of your current system lickety-split! Any capital will do, and fitting is irrelevant.
sddffiu	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:01:00 - [25] The main goals of a pirate in this game are 1 : Destroy ships in order to loot remains for income 2 : Ransom pilots for income 3 : Destroy ships because its funny If you show up in a capital, like someone said before, every pirate and their grandmother will band together just to take you down. Why? Because you are in a very expensive ship, and they know that it will **** you off if they blow it up ...and for tasty lootz
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:12:00 - [26] tbh the only thing that scares off pirates is an honour tanked revelation. _________________________________________________
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:17:00 - [27] Moros of course. Deal 1100 dps with heavy drones, you don't even have to enter siege for that, If something big shows up a Moros in siege can tank a lot and capital hybrids will take anything apart that doesn't move fast enough. _________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.60 // Angel Cartel +7.31 // Minmatar Republic -8.56 // Gallente Federation -9.71
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Jack Bombardier I'm talking about the kind of ship that can tell a group of pirates "You guys might want to head on back to that warp gate because this area is off limits" without fireing a single shot. A massive ship equiped to handle several smaller ships. Something that has the look of authority like the Phoenix. Mayby a titan. Perhaps a Seige ship with Assault missile launchers or something there about. Let's hear some suggestions on ships and equipment. There is an old quote from CCP about "Solopwnmobiles".......... CCP, by very very very DELIBERATE design, works hard to ensure that there is no solopwnmobile ship in Eve, and if the players manage to use the existing game mechanics to make a ship into a solopwnmobile, CCP "WILL" nerf it. No exceptions, no excuses, no pity and no mercy. You invested 20 billion isk to make a ship into a solopwnmobile because the existing game mechanics allowed it? To damn bad, here is a tissue, go cry in a corner. Solopwnmobile will not be permitted to exist in Eve (at least not for long). Play nice while you butcher each other.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:41:00 - [29] Originally by: madaluap tbh the only thing that scares off pirates is an honour tanked revelation. If you've never seen it, here the story of the "Honor Tank"...... The Honor Tank Play nice while you butcher each other.
Brem Watson Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.19 02:07:00 - [30] Edited by: Brem Watson on 19/10/2008 02:07:44 Originally by: Signati Edited by: Signati on 18/10/2008 15:48:54 Trust me, capital kills are great for pirates, the loot is worth alot and its like a badge of honour. .......and i'm happy to say I've earned that badge. What a fight that was.....
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.19 02:17:00 - [31] Originally by: Jack Bombardier The Thanatos looks like a decent ship. Let's hear more about that one and why it's superior to the Moros. No matter what you fly, you will die easily. You have no idea how anything in this game works. So far, you've suggested fitting assault launchers on caps, you've asked if an intie can "reliably tackle" a moros, and half the time you're talking more about role play than game mechanics.
Rockstara	Posted - 2008.10.20 06:09:00 - [32] heard great things about a dreadnaught gang with officer webs. They of course died eventually but the sub caps thinking they were safe from the seiging dreads got wtfpwned in seconds. 3 dreads and a carrier (rep and feed cap when they come out of siege).
Tefkros The Dead Pod Society Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.20 10:33:00 - [33] Freaking mouthbreathers galore in this thread... Is it so hard to spot a troll and stop trying to amaze the crowds with your vast knowledge? Sometimes it worries me that this level of quality posters can control the forum and force CCP to change the game...
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2008.10.20 10:37:00 - [34] I'd actually love to fit out a Moros like a neut Domi and sit him at a station with drone speed boosts. Problem is anyone with half a brain would just pop your drones.
Mystic Pete	Posted - 2008.10.20 12:26:00 - [35] Badger with cyno and a load of cyno fuel?
Shandrik Tonk Bears Inc Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.10.20 14:35:00 - [36] Actually bringing out a capital in low sec turns us non-pirates into unfriendly cosmic citizens: OMGWTF is he doing alone? Any of his buddies in system? Nope! Let's get on the kill mail! Even getting pwned by a Titan DDay in a æceptor gang in 0.0 was worth losing the ship to be on one of 11 kill mails with my alliance mates. (Beware the HIC with cyno). I can/haz stole all your honey pots! ------------------------------------ The SeXXXy Bear!
Jach Wong	Posted - 2008.10.20 22:24:00 - [37] This: [Bantam, Cyno] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Micro Capacitor Battery II Cynosural Field Generator I Prototype Cloaking Device I Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Warp Core Optimizer I Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I "This is not the boot you're looking for."
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.21 01:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Jach Wong This: [Bantam, Cyno] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Micro Capacitor Battery II Cynosural Field Generator I Prototype Cloaking Device I Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Warp Core Optimizer I Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Mmmm, alternately. Originally by: Jach Wong This: [Bantam, Cyno] Cynosural Field Generator I sXe
Jach Wong	Posted - 2008.10.21 02:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Warrio Originally by: Jach Wong This: Mmmm, alternately. Originally by: Jach Wong This: [Bantam, Cyno] Cynosural Field Generator I Fair point =) "This is not the boot you're looking for."
Nocts Minmatar Vanguard Wing	Posted - 2008.10.22 08:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Jack Bombardier Gallente huh. I thought the closest they had to a space program was throwing sharp wooden sticks labeled "ballistic missiles" into the air. Rumor has it that about a hundred of them are coming together to throw one really big sharp stick in an attempt to attack other planets. Environmental groups are already protesting the project, highlighting the potential dangers of wood-splinter fallout incase it detonates at launch. LOL -------------------------- Jack Bombardier[i]Gallente huh. I thought the closest they had to a space program was throwing sharp wooden sticks labeled "ballistic missiles" into the air
Liam Fremen Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.22 10:38:00 - [41] Last moros we found camping in sagain was hot dropped and deleted from eve 10 minutes after he appaired... with plenty of alliances rushing for getting the kill :) Caps at gates = BAD Caps at npc station without siege and in hard to bump position = GOOD A capital ship is like anything else, you can have massive dps or what you want, you are going to die if your enemy know what to do and you are alone, stuck somewhere. -- "may you rest in peace now, brave souls of Hueromont. . . Curse you, Caldari . . . may I take as many of you with me that I can!" Admiral Noir, Gallente Federation

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