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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2008.10.31 11:53:00 -
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There is always another choice as stated numerous times...Pay with your credit card. Too young to get one? Ask parents or get a Visa gift card. I mean I think that GTC should be available in 1 format but I am not against that format being 30 days.
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Nitroviper
Apocalypse Enterprises Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:02:00 -
[32]
Please give us more Varity.
30/60/90 day time codes please this will bring the markets to a state of norm and keep eve gamers happy
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Deimi
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:09:00 -
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We have payment options for 30-60-90 days with paycards. So there is no reason that the same varieties should not be offered for the timecards as well. With the change to 'ghost training' this matter of choice have become more urgent than ever.
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Bizness Gurl
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:19:00 -
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I just noticed the quote shown below in the similar thread on the timecode bazaar. I'm bringing it here rather than risk getting reported for misusing that forum.
________________________________ It wouldn't surprise me if CCP suddenly put a set price on GTC isk sales at a low figure like 300m isk per 60day. to try to increase the sales of them. _______________
I'm not sure how decreasing the incentive to sell will increase the availability of GTCs.
Lowering the price a forum seller can get will not encourage more forum resellers, it will only discourage them. It will not increase the number available if sellers are discouraged.
If CCP sets the price and it is no longer worth my time then I will stop buying GTC from authorized resellers and offering them on the forum. It is all about supply and demand....
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FTSun tzu
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:29:00 -
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I don't care if it does cost the same as in 30 day = 300 mil 90 day = 900 mil, I just want to have a choice other than paying with CC. We want choices, that's all.
"We can make whatever you want as long as it's pasta with alfredo sauce."
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Warlord7
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Posted - 2008.11.08 15:15:00 -
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Pay with a credit card or game time codes, wow what a concept, two choices in regards to payment method.
Ok so explain why it's a good thing to have no choices in regards to GTC's?
Ok throw out greed/profit as a reason, now justify one price point?
We used to have two choices, make it three.
C'mon CCP wake up and give us some choices. Don't let greed get the best of you, think customer service, help the middle class, give us a break.
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Caffeine Junkie
I.M.M
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Posted - 2008.11.08 15:23:00 -
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/signed
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Charles Fury
A.C.Y. Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:19:00 -
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I just found this dev blog that kind of address the GTC issue, gives more player control over GTC through in game means.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=603
See "ETC secure transfers made easier, more accessible and ingame"
CF
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Minsc
Gallente A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Minsc on 09/11/2008 02:31:00
Originally by: Charles Fury I just found this dev blog that kind of address the GTC issue, gives more player control over GTC through in game means.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=603
See "ETC secure transfers made easier, more accessible and ingame"
CF
You guys are just finding that now?? That info has been out for weeks. All you people complaining about CCP getting rid of 30 day timecodes need to seriously learn to pay at least a small amount of attention. With the new ingame trading mechanics a 60 day GTC turns into 2 30 day GTT (Game Time Tokens) that can be traded on the market. Only want 30 days of gametime buy 1 token, 60 days buy 2, 90 days buy 3, etc. It gives you MORE flexibilty than the old timecards and should also help bring the cost down a bit because they can be freely traded.
Originally by: Sharkbait please for the love of god read the dam stickies
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:50:00 -
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CCP is a buisness so they will do what makes them more money. If player price gouging is really affecting their income you can be sure that they will try alternate means to get the price down enouch on the isk side to get people buying ETC's from vendors. I suspect that either the new ETC system in game has either been in development for awhile or is the first attempt to curb the gouging.
If that doesnt work I suspect the next step will be reintroduction of other blocks of time and if that doesnt work the final step could likely be setting a hardline price regardless of the idea of the ETC being a free market system. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Lorac Caladon
Caldari The Cowboy Junkies
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Posted - 2008.11.09 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Minsc You guys are just finding that now?? That info has been out for weeks. All you people complaining about CCP getting rid of 30 day timecodes need to seriously learn to pay at least a small amount of attention. With the new ingame trading mechanics a 60 day GTC turns into 2 30 day GTT (Game Time Tokens) that can be traded on the market. Only want 30 days of gametime buy 1 token, 60 days buy 2, 90 days buy 3, etc. It gives you MORE flexibilty than the old timecards and should also help bring the cost down a bit because they can be freely traded.
I know that it's bad form to quote your self but I think this post is relevant:
Originally by: Lorac Caladon
Originally by: Rachel Voegel On a positive note - the ability to buy 30 day subscription times again in-game has to be a good thing.
I have not read the entire thread, so this may have been mentioned already. I can't see where making GTC's available via the ingame market is going to do anything but raise the price. 90's used to go for 350-375 on the forum. Now 60's are 550-600 on the forum. Breaking a 60 into 2 30's will only make the 30 sell for 350-400 via the market. So, 1/3 the play time for what you used to get for the same amount of ISK. How does this help anyone except the GTC seller? CCP has not said anything about bringing 60's into line with a 60 day CC sub, so again, where is the benefit?
Source
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.11.09 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jacob Mei on 09/11/2008 03:54:45
Originally by: Lorac Caladon
Originally by: Minsc You guys are just finding that now?? That info has been out for weeks. All you people complaining about CCP getting rid of 30 day timecodes need to seriously learn to pay at least a small amount of attention. With the new ingame trading mechanics a 60 day GTC turns into 2 30 day GTT (Game Time Tokens) that can be traded on the market. Only want 30 days of gametime buy 1 token, 60 days buy 2, 90 days buy 3, etc. It gives you MORE flexibilty than the old timecards and should also help bring the cost down a bit because they can be freely traded.
I know that it's bad form to quote your self but I think this post is relevant:
Originally by: Lorac Caladon
Originally by: Rachel Voegel On a positive note - the ability to buy 30 day subscription times again in-game has to be a good thing.
I have not read the entire thread, so this may have been mentioned already. I can't see where making GTC's available via the ingame market is going to do anything but raise the price. 90's used to go for 350-375 on the forum. Now 60's are 550-600 on the forum. Breaking a 60 into 2 30's will only make the 30 sell for 350-400 via the market. So, 1/3 the play time for what you used to get for the same amount of ISK. How does this help anyone except the GTC seller? CCP has not said anything about bringing 60's into line with a 60 day CC sub, so again, where is the benefit?
Source
This just reminds me of the gas price speculators. They say it may go up to such and such and sure enough it does because the public expects it too. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.09 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 09/11/2008 03:54:45
Originally by: Lorac Caladon
Originally by: Minsc You guys are just finding that now?? That info has been out for weeks. All you people complaining about CCP getting rid of 30 day timecodes need to seriously learn to pay at least a small amount of attention. With the new ingame trading mechanics a 60 day GTC turns into 2 30 day GTT (Game Time Tokens) that can be traded on the market. Only want 30 days of gametime buy 1 token, 60 days buy 2, 90 days buy 3, etc. It gives you MORE flexibilty than the old timecards and should also help bring the cost down a bit because they can be freely traded.
I know that it's bad form to quote your self but I think this post is relevant:
Originally by: Lorac Caladon
Originally by: Rachel Voegel On a positive note - the ability to buy 30 day subscription times again in-game has to be a good thing.
I have not read the entire thread, so this may have been mentioned already. I can't see where making GTC's available via the ingame market is going to do anything but raise the price. 90's used to go for 350-375 on the forum. Now 60's are 550-600 on the forum. Breaking a 60 into 2 30's will only make the 30 sell for 350-400 via the market. So, 1/3 the play time for what you used to get for the same amount of ISK. How does this help anyone except the GTC seller? CCP has not said anything about bringing 60's into line with a 60 day CC sub, so again, where is the benefit?
Source
This just reminds me of the gas price speculators. They say it may go up to such and such and sure enough it does because the public expects it too.
- The global economy is currently in the worst crisis it's been in for several decades - Less people are willing to use their own hard cash to by internet spaceships - Several major economies are struggling against the us dollar, making gtcs (usually sold in usd) more expensive to purchase
Thus, prices continue to increase. It's not public perception of the value of gtc's changing, it's changes in the real world affecting eve. The number of people buying game time for isk far exceeds the supply of said time. As time goes by and the economy gets worse, this ratio will only increase. Thus, gtc's will rise. People playing the game with isk have 4 choices: 1- Accept the price rises and continue to play, 2- ***** on the forums, then accept the prices and continue to play. 3- Refuse to pay and quit the game, 4- Pay with real life money.
The cost of my subscription is rising too, given the weakening of the aud compared to the usd. The difference is I'm not naive enough to complain to ccp to fix the global economy, which is what the gtc whiners expect them to do
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.11.09 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: Jacob Mei
This just reminds me of the gas price speculators. They say it may go up to such and such and sure enough it does because the public expects it too.
- The global economy is currently in the worst crisis it's been in for several decades - Less people are willing to use their own hard cash to by internet spaceships - Several major economies are struggling against the us dollar, making gtcs (usually sold in usd) more expensive to purchase
Thus, prices continue to increase. It's not public perception of the value of gtc's changing, it's changes in the real world affecting eve. The number of people buying game time for isk far exceeds the supply of said time. As time goes by and the economy gets worse, this ratio will only increase. Thus, gtc's will rise. People playing the game with isk have 4 choices: 1- Accept the price rises and continue to play, 2- ***** on the forums, then accept the prices and continue to play. 3- Refuse to pay and quit the game, 4- Pay with real life money.
The cost of my subscription is rising too, given the weakening of the aud compared to the usd. The difference is I'm not naive enough to complain to ccp to fix the global economy, which is what the gtc whiners expect them to do
You completely missed my point. The concern/belief is that the new system will actually increase the cost of the GTC's in 60 day blocks because of the extra step of entering the code into the game and splitting it into 30 day blocks. These so called concern is being circulated so much that chances are GTC's will increase because the perception is that buyers are expecting the price to go up, so why should sellers dissapoint?
But hey I really dont care either way, I just pay for one account with ETC so I have enough wiggle room to adjust. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Lorac Caladon
Caldari The Cowboy Junkies
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Posted - 2008.11.09 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lorac Caladon on 09/11/2008 04:57:19
Originally by: Jacob Mei You completely missed my point. The concern/belief is that the new system will actually increase the cost of the GTC's in 60 day blocks because of the extra step of entering the code into the game and splitting it into 30 day blocks. These so called concern is being circulated so much that chances are GTC's will increase because the perception is that buyers are expecting the price to go up, so why should sellers dissapoint?
But hey I really dont care either way, I just pay for one account with ETC so I have enough wiggle room to adjust.
You apparently don't "get it". The people that are selling the GTC are still paying the same amount of RL cash. They are going to be given the option of splitting the single 60 GTC into 2 30 GTC's. What would you do: A) Sell 1 60 for 500 or B) Sell 2 30 for 350-400/ea.?
There is NO reason for a GTC seller to break the 60 except for increased earning potential. It's not their fault, but it is still a fact. GTC prices will go up with the ingame market unless CCP reevaluates the 60 GTC.
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Lady Aja
Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.11.09 05:25:00 -
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back when 2x 30 day gtcs were the same isk value as a 90 day. i would buy 2x 30 day gtc's sell them. and buy a 90 day gtc. worked out way cheaper for me to play the game :)
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.11.09 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lorac Caladon Edited by: Lorac Caladon on 09/11/2008 04:57:19
Originally by: Jacob Mei You completely missed my point. The concern/belief is that the new system will actually increase the cost of the GTC's in 60 day blocks because of the extra step of entering the code into the game and splitting it into 30 day blocks. These so called concern is being circulated so much that chances are GTC's will increase because the perception is that buyers are expecting the price to go up, so why should sellers dissapoint?
But hey I really dont care either way, I just pay for one account with ETC so I have enough wiggle room to adjust.
You apparently don't "get it". The people that are selling the GTC are still paying the same amount of RL cash. They are going to be given the option of splitting the single 60 GTC into 2 30 GTC's. What would you do: A) Sell 1 60 for 500 or B) Sell 2 30 for 350-400/ea.?
There is NO reason for a GTC seller to break the 60 except for increased earning potential. It's not their fault, but it is still a fact. GTC prices will go up with the ingame market unless CCP reevaluates the 60 GTC.
I would think that what I said above would indicate that I do get it. Your right, there is no reason for them not to increase the price for the extra step, but people are expecting it to be at 450 from the get go and because people are saying thats what they expect the price will be on day one, most of the sellers will likely ask for that price. It wont be a 50 mill increase but 150 mill increase because thats what people believe and say on the forums for the sellers to see.
Perception of value has an effect on the market just as much as supply and demand. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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xSunnYx
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Posted - 2008.11.09 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: xSunnYx on 09/11/2008 12:22:19 Actually, people are NOT paying the same amount for their GTC's when it comes to RL cash.
If you haven't noticed, people that actually buy GTC's to sell are alot from europe. While most GTC's are bought in US Dollars. Have u even bothered to watch how the Euro/Dollar rate went?
The 60d GTC's were some where around 20 euro when the 30d/90d were gone. Now it's +26 euro. People are actually paying more for their GTC's because 1 euro is now 1.35 dollar, the euro is going down >_> At the beginning of 2008 it was 1/1.6!
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donzie
Caldari Stormlord Battleforce Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.09 12:34:00 -
[49]
Edited by: donzie on 09/11/2008 12:34:32 That -^ ------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" so I said "NO WAI" and they said "uhuh"
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Lorac Caladon
Caldari The Cowboy Junkies
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Posted - 2008.11.13 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Lorac Caladon on 13/11/2008 21:43:18
Originally by: xSunnYx Edited by: xSunnYx on 09/11/2008 12:22:19 Actually, people are NOT paying the same amount for their GTC's when it comes to RL cash.
If you haven't noticed, people that actually buy GTC's to sell are alot from europe. While most GTC's are bought in US Dollars. Have u even bothered to watch how the Euro/Dollar rate went?
The 60d GTC's were some where around 20 euro when the 30d/90d were gone. Now it's +26 euro. People are actually paying more for their GTC's because 1 euro is now 1.35 dollar, the euro is going down >_> At the beginning of 2008 it was 1/1.6!
Assuming this was directed to me (or my above post), I meant that they are paying the same amount of RL cash for the GTC whether they are selling the GTC on the forum as a 60 or 2x30's in-game...
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Ehronn
Caldari Nutz N Boltz Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.11.13 21:45:00 -
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agree, please please bring back the 30 and 90 day cards!!!
/begs
/me whines
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Lorac Caladon
Caldari The Cowboy Junkies
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Posted - 2008.11.13 21:49:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Lorac Caladon Edited by: Lorac Caladon on 09/11/2008 04:57:19
Originally by: Jacob Mei You completely missed my point. The concern/belief is that the new system will actually increase the cost of the GTC's in 60 day blocks because of the extra step of entering the code into the game and splitting it into 30 day blocks. These so called concern is being circulated so much that chances are GTC's will increase because the perception is that buyers are expecting the price to go up, so why should sellers dissapoint?
But hey I really dont care either way, I just pay for one account with ETC so I have enough wiggle room to adjust.
You apparently don't "get it". The people that are selling the GTC are still paying the same amount of RL cash. They are going to be given the option of splitting the single 60 GTC into 2 30 GTC's. What would you do: A) Sell 1 60 for 500 or B) Sell 2 30 for 350-400/ea.?
There is NO reason for a GTC seller to break the 60 except for increased earning potential. It's not their fault, but it is still a fact. GTC prices will go up with the ingame market unless CCP reevaluates the 60 GTC.
I would think that what I said above would indicate that I do get it. Your right, there is no reason for them not to increase the price for the extra step, but people are expecting it to be at 450 from the get go and because people are saying thats what they expect the price will be on day one, most of the sellers will likely ask for that price. It wont be a 50 mill increase but 150 mill increase because thats what people believe and say on the forums for the sellers to see.
Perception of value has an effect on the market just as much as supply and demand.
I stand by what I posted. I really don't think you understand the mechanics behind this. "Willing" the price to be higher just doesn't cut it as an...well, anything. The price variation in "The Forge" is currently ~302M-600M. My "prediction" is proving to be fairly accurate.
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K'aos
Caldari MegaTraveller
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Posted - 2008.11.23 04:07:00 -
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We want choices bring back 30/90 day codes.
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Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.23 10:20:00 -
[54]
My god, it's full of achura.
We have the split 60 days, shut your mouth.
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2008.11.23 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei CCP is a buisness so they will do what makes them more money. If player price gouging is really affecting their income you can be sure that they will try alternate means to get the price down enouch on the isk side to get people buying ETC's from vendors. I suspect that either the new ETC system in game has either been in development for awhile or is the first attempt to curb the gouging.
If that doesnt work I suspect the next step will be reintroduction of other blocks of time and if that doesnt work the final step could likely be setting a hardline price regardless of the idea of the ETC being a free market system.
Hahaha, oh my.
You don't get it do you? People buy GTCs with real life money. The USD is what dictates the price of GTCs. If CCP were to introduce a hard cap, the price would go up, since a lot of people would stop selling GTCs if their local currency <> USD conversion rate goes belly up.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.25 10:03:00 -
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Some people here seem confused.
That the price for 60day GTCs have risen has nothing to do whether 30 and 90 day cards exist.
It's simply inflation. There's ever more isk in the game - so its exchange value goes down. Nothing surprising.
In the early days of EVE 10m was a big pile of money. We had 4 corps pooling resources to buy our first cruiser BPO.
Nowadays noobs make 10s of millions early on.
An experienced player (experienced as in a few months at most - not years) can easily make several 100m per month.
Accordingly the isk price of GTCs is going up. The same (proportionately) would happen to 30 and 90 day cards. Correlation does not equal causation. Meaning that the isk price rising for GTCs while 30 and 90 day cards were abolished does not mean the price rise was caused by the change. And what would have been the causality?
I dunno why CCP abolished 30 day cards. Perhaps they deemed the overhead not worth it.
I very much doubt that the number of players who don't commit to EVE for more than a month is large - so a boycott won't be that impressive. And if you are not around for more than 4 weeks at a time - why should the rest of us be bothered to see you in game at all?
To those so low in cash that you could just about do the absolute price for a GTC per month but not for a couple months in advance - I sympathize. That sux then.
CCP will have had their reasons and it's their decision to make. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
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Farouq Rizer
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Posted - 2008.11.25 10:07:00 -
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60 day GTCs has been making them more money, aka they will never add 30 and 90 day GTCs back again.
The only way they would add them back is if people stoped buying 60 day GTCs completely, but that will never happen.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.25 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 25/11/2008 11:05:26
I agree with bringing back the 30 day card. Things are expensive enough without having to fork out for two months every time I re-sub each of my characters. Every other MMO subs monthly, even the $5 a month games and Eve is the only one I know of that doesn't.
Credit/debit cards are fine for some but there are some of us who prefer not to use them. and the most they have is an account with Payal or some such to enable them to pay for stuff on the internet. Since you won't allow Recurring monthly payments by Paypal or standing orders, we are forced to buy a GTC. I feel it's really unfair on those of us who use GTC to make us pay two months at a time when credit card users etc can pay monthly. Especially considering that the credit card companies charge CCP money for the transaction.
Especially in a recession, it's hard enough to budget your cash without this.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |

Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.25 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 25/11/2008 11:05:26
I agree with bringing back the 30 day card. Things are expensive enough without having to fork out for two months every time I re-sub each of my characters. Every other MMO subs monthly, even the $5 a month games and Eve is the only one I know of that doesn't.
Credit/debit cards are fine for some but there are some of us who prefer not to use them. and the most they have is an account with Payal or some such to enable them to pay for stuff on the internet. Since you won't allow Recurring monthly payments by Paypal or standing orders, we are forced to buy a GTC. I feel it's really unfair on those of us who use GTC to make us pay two months at a time when credit card users etc can pay monthly. Especially considering that the credit card companies charge CCP money for the transaction.
Especially in a recession, it's hard enough to budget your cash without this.
I fail to see why they should accommodate you because you refuse to use a debit card. The option is available. Why wouldn't you?
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.25 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Karille I fail to see why they should accommodate you because you refuse to use a debit card. The option is available. Why wouldn't you?
Because most debit cards <> Debit. Most of the ones you get (Visa Delta etc) are not pre-authorised so it acts like a short term credit and it's easy to get into debt/overdrawn.
I am not the only one who refuses to use them, there are many who won't use them for that reason. The whole idea of a debit card is to only allow you to spend what is currently in your account but they don't work that way. Electron and Solo are the only pre-authorised ones and most companies won't take them due to costs incurred so most banks have withdrawn their support for them. My own bank offers a Delta card only and I won't have a pseudo credit card, I'm bad enough with money managing as it is.
Even if CCP offered an alternative like payment direct to their account it would help. I could go to a branch of thier bank in my town and make a deposit using a unique code that identifies my account on Eve. Even Large airlines like KLM are offering that option and I bought my flight to Philippines last year that way. There are more alternatives than just credit/debit cards and GTC.
PaybyCash is great except, as I found, it goes through 3 people to get to CCP and they each take a cut so it works out very expensive. A 1 month sub can cost as much as double the amount that way.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
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