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Cistab 0 Bank of Infiniti Ltd.	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:50:00 - [1] Hi, sorry if this is well known - I am very new to the crime scene. I just got scammed with my bank corp for 90 mil - not a lot but anyway. The character was an alt, but he also revealed another of his characters to me - this one seems more genuine. In order to get some amount of revenge, I just added an amount to the bounty on this guy. Now I am thinking that he will just cash in the bounty himself and live happily on. I am not sure under what circumstances a bounty is an efficient tool - could someone please enlighten me. For instance, I can only presume that this character has valuable implants, but cant be sure.
Kirra Liu Gemini Industries Inc	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:54:00 - [2] Bounties are well worth the money, I would in fact put more isk onto him, that'll really **** him off.
shuckstar Gallente Hauling hogs	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Kirra Liu Bounties are well worth the money, I would in fact put more isk onto him, that'll really ** him off. yeah ** him of that much he will use a alt to pod himself and claim the isk himself. To OP bountie system sucks and putting bounties on someone is a waste imo.
Cistab 0 Bank of Infiniti Ltd.	Posted - 2008.10.18 12:58:00 - [4] Aaaah - another thing that puzzles me about this alt is that on his blog he says that this is his "wardeccing" alt and he is working on lowering the character's security status. Lowering? Why would you want that? Again, I am presuming that since he is using this character for corp war declarations it must have some value to him - is that reasonable?
Cistab 0 Bank of Infiniti Ltd.	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:01:00 - [5] Thanks for the replies sofar - now I am confused on a higher level lol. Well, if you can just pod yourself, why dont the pilots that have 1 billion isk bounties on them just do it all the time? Because they have 1.5 billion isk implants?
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:08:00 - [6] Dark matter engage! please... This is either a troll or a moron. Hard to decide. Why would I not care about 1 bil isk? wonder wonder... . Maybe because I have plenty of isk, so that 1 bil just is not important enough for me to pod myself. . Maybe I am a proud pirate an the bil isk on my head shows how good I am (or that I do not leave station ever) Now can I have your stuff ? Contract your items and isk to my at anytime. [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
Cistab 0 Bank of Infiniti Ltd.	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:14:00 - [7] I am not a troll, so must be a moron. As I said clearly this whole bounty business is completely new to me. My question still is: if my target can just collect the bounty himself, by podding himself, as was also suggested by another poster above, then are all the people that do put out bounties of billions of isk all complete morons?
Barbicane TGUN Industries	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Cistab are all the people that do put out bounties of billions of isk all complete morons? Either that, or they put the bounty on themselves to encourage others to fight with them.
Jack Bombardier	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:21:00 - [9] Bounties are just a badge of honor. Heck the more wanted criminals even offer amnesty to people who are willing to add to their bounty. If they ever feel down on their luck they get into a jump clone and pod themselves with the help of someone else and cash in.
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:29:00 - [10] I'll never pod myself to get my bounty, stands at 107mil at the mo and my implants are worth say 20-25 mil. Even if it went to a billion i wouldnt do it Its a badge of honor, and mines 100% real too, not put on by myself or friends ( at least not to my knowledge xD) all from guys ive annoyed or whatever. So if someone manages to pod me, the isk will go to the guy who does, and is the point of it, its your way to thank the guy who kills me. Which hopoefully wont be soon as im soooo close the most wanted list, WHO DO I NEED TO KILL?? xD Is it worth it? maybe, i get bugged all the time ("HI WANT ME TO POD YOU AND WE CAN SPLIT THE ISK????") and whenever i disconnect in space i always get really worried that someone probing out my pod as i frantically try to log in. If the bounty is high, the more likely that the guy wont be podding himself for it. If its a scammer, then the guys prolly just in it for the isk, and will prolly pod himself once his bounty goes over the price of his implants.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.10.18 13:39:00 - [11] Bounties are a waste of money, you already lost cash to him and now you willingly give him some more. Either to prance around in going "look at my bounty!!!" or to have it shot off by a corpmate/alt.
RedSplat	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:56:00 - [12] No. Bounty system as it is, very nearly pointless.
GodDeSs412 Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:24:00 - [13] Bounties are the way for pirates to know that they are doing something right in life. Imho there is nothing better than logging in and seeing that little bounty value go up just a little bit, it kind of lets you kno you **ed someone off and did your duty as a mean old piwate I just lost my bount a few nights ago. and actually didnt realize it until i started to reply on this thread oh well.. i guess i'll just have to go a few more ppl off.. so what area do u stay in op? can i come ** you off for a small bounty?
Dark Soldat Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:46:00 - [14] Please put couple of bil bountys on me.. or something along the lines of 15-20 bil bountys... kthxbye
Political Prisoner Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:56:00 - [15] The Bounty system as it stands sucks ... don't even bother. Its nothing more than an e-peen thing in its current form. If they don't care about e-peen ... The person who has a high bounty can get a buddy to pod-kill them to collect your hard earned isk. MOST people worth putting a bounty on have half a brain and know how to avoid getting pod killed. The reason some people don't try to cash in their bounty is: 1. The bounty is too small for the hassle 2. They have implants that make the collection too small for the hassle 3. Their clone cost makes their bounty too small to collect Respectfully, Political Prisoner
Cistab 0 Bank of Infiniti Ltd.	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:19:00 - [16] Yes yes yes! I hear you all, and thanks for all the answers. The consensus is clear. As I half suspected, putting out a bounty is just throwing more good isk after bad.
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:34:00 - [17] If you want someone dead, pay someone to kill them. Putting a bounty on them is just giving them isk. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Andrea Skye I'll never pod myself to get my bounty, stands at 107mil at the mo and my implants are worth say 20-25 mil. Even if it went to a billion i wouldnt do it Its a badge of honor, and mines 100% real too, not put on by myself or friends ( at least not to my knowledge xD) all from guys ive annoyed or whatever. Out of spite I added a 107 mill bounty on you so now only 50% of your bounty is real haha. _______________
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente Apocalypse Ponies H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:07:00 - [19] Put a HUGE bounty on him, that'll REALLY **** him off
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.18 18:10:00 - [20] Edited by: techzer0 on 18/10/2008 18:10:24 I will hand over a killmail of the guy who scammed you for 90 mil if you would like.. evemail me. techzer0 (with a zero) ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Gordon Marinius Originally by: Andrea Skye I'll never pod myself to get my bounty, stands at 107mil at the mo and my implants are worth say 20-25 mil. Even if it went to a billion i wouldnt do it Its a badge of honor, and mines 100% real too, not put on by myself or friends ( at least not to my knowledge xD) all from guys ive annoyed or whatever. Out of spite I added a 107 mill bounty on you so now only 50% of your bounty is real haha. Lmao, you actualy did ITS STILL REAL! :P
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Andrea Skye Lmao, you actualy did ITS STILL REAL! :P I hate u... no him... no u... no him... gah!! ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.10.18 20:07:00 - [23] yes and no To big a bounty peeps will pod themselves as discussed above. A reasonable bounty.. say 10 mill isk, will provide some small enocuragement to peeps peeps to pod your target. Quite often when smartboming i will let pods go through my system (no money in them). But even a small bounty will provide the impetus to warp to the gate and pop the pod. In these cases, whomever put the bounty on that person got their moneys worth. SKUNK
LadyLubU2 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.20 03:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Andrea Skye I'll never pod myself to get my bounty, stands at 107mil at the mo and my implants are worth say 20-25 mil. Even if it went to a billion i wouldnt do it Its a badge of honor, and mines 100% real too, not put on by myself or friends ( at least not to my knowledge xD) all from guys ive annoyed or whatever. So if someone manages to pod me, the isk will go to the guy who does, and is the point of it, its your way to thank the guy who kills me. Which hopoefully wont be soon as im soooo close the most wanted list, WHO DO I NEED TO KILL?? xD Is it worth it? maybe, i get bugged all the time ("HI WANT ME TO POD YOU AND WE CAN SPLIT THE ISK????") and whenever i disconnect in space i always get really worried that someone probing out my pod as i frantically try to log in. If the bounty is high, the more likely that the guy wont be podding himself for it. If its a scammer, then the guys prolly just in it for the isk, and will prolly pod himself once his bounty goes over the price of his implants. When honour is stronger than common sense, your either braindead or a militairy/navy person c/d -- Sig: NARF FALCONS!!! Please resixe image to the maxiumum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.10.20 04:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Andrea Skye Originally by: Gordon Marinius Originally by: Andrea Skye I'll never pod myself to get my bounty, stands at 107mil at the mo and my implants are worth say 20-25 mil. Even if it went to a billion i wouldnt do it Its a badge of honor, and mines 100% real too, not put on by myself or friends ( at least not to my knowledge xD) all from guys ive annoyed or whatever. Out of spite I added a 107 mill bounty on you so now only 50% of your bounty is real haha. Lmao, you actualy did ITS STILL REAL! :P You know whats funny? Gordon is Andrea's alt Drones \| Ships \| Weapons BPO and BPC
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.20 04:28:00 - [26] Edited by: Gordon Marinius on 20/10/2008 04:28:49 Eh no. I am no ones alt. _______________
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.20 13:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Andrea Skye Even if it went to a billion i wouldnt do it Oh now that's a lie. Howww aaabout: You let me pod you, we share it between us 50/50 - You get money but don't lose honour for podding yourself. Deal? - Infectious -
Lord Aftermath The Aftermath.	Posted - 2008.10.20 15:49:00 - [28] It's a personal opinion. For many, the answer is a 'yes.' For others, it'll be a 'no.' Some of the bounties on folks out there are in the billions and for the average pilot in EVE, that's enough money to justify bounty hunting.
Neyko Turama Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.10.20 18:46:00 - [29] i'd say a bounty in eve is senseless, if it's high enough to kill yourself with an alt. as long as it is not, it's worth it for example as a sign of the carebears revenge or sumthin. so they can say, i painted him. i rescued/warned the rest of the world from this bastard... and so on.
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.20 20:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Brock Nelson You know whats funny? Gordon is Andrea's alt Naw it isnt my alt is called Armanic (mission alt) the guy srsly put 107 mil on my head for no reason lol xD
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.20 21:36:00 - [31] Well it's a very pretty head. Wouldn't want it to go to waste. _______________
Tarasios	Posted - 2008.10.21 07:30:00 - [32] Hm. I think it would be interesting that if you have a bounty and someone collects, you lose one level of every skill. Enough incentive to stay out of trouble, eh?
Msgerbs Gallente Imperial Assualt Guild Infused Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Tarasios Hm. I think it would be interesting that if you have a bounty and someone collects, you lose one level of every skill. Enough incentive to stay out of trouble, eh? Obvious troll. But on the off chance it's not, and you're just stupid... Some skills can take several MONTHS to train. So your saying if I get bored and shoot someone, then get bountied, and someone kills me, I should months, if not years, of training time?
Tarasios Caldari Hegemon Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:52:00 - [34] Not intended to be a troll, and I'm certainly not making a stupid suggestion. You are absolutely correct. Why should you or anyone feel good about having a huge bounty on your head because you killed some people minding their own business? Why should anyone be able to collect on their own bounties without a single hint of remorse for having screwed someone else over? Bounties by nature are not intended to be a way of gaining medals or good publicity. The imbalance in the bounty system boils down to one simple fact. When you die you come back to life with a slap on the wrist, no problem. I think losing one level in every skill (or some formidable variation of that penalty) would provide a brilliant way to balance the evils of immortality. If I were to consider pirating under such conditions, I would do it gleefully. That's where a true sense of deviance would mark the criminal element in EVE. You would have to put effort into staying alive. And it would be quite fascinating to see tempers flair with serious scores to be settled. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Tarasios Hon-Jiro of the Achur Proctor of Hegemon Ent. as CEO of (OaTh)
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.22 12:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Le Skunk yes and no To big a bounty peeps will pod themselves as discussed above. A reasonable bounty.. say 10 mill isk, will provide some small enocuragement to peeps peeps to pod your target. Quite often when smartboming i will let pods go through my system (no money in them). But even a small bounty will provide the impetus to warp to the gate and pop the pod. In these cases, whomever put the bounty on that person got their moneys worth. SKUNK why do you sign your posts if we can already see your terrible name below your avatar SKUNK
Dax Ee'nnach Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.22 13:12:00 - [36] What would "fix" the bounty system and make it viable profession in the game? They already have "locator agents" to find someone, but as many have said, the only people listed in the bounty offices know they have a bounty and do it for the publicity. If all bounties got registered, i.e. you place a bounty on someones head and they get "registered" in that region at all bounty offices, then targets would be more available and possibly cover the gamut of cheap and easy to hard targets. The hole "I got a high bounty so I'll get an alt to kill me" blows. It sounds to me like that alone means bounties will never work in the game unless the cost of death is bad. Is the security standing hit a bounty hunter will take if he pod-kills sufficient to dissuade bounty hunters? Should turning in a bounty prize recover your standing? As you can tell, I'm a noob to this. I figured I'd ask the experiences piwates and anti-piwates about this - reading through the thread I saw several posters proposing some mechanics changes, so I'm not the only one that sees a missed opportunity here for EVE. Caldari
Gordon Marinius Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.22 14:01:00 - [37] Giving bounty hunters immunity from security status changes and/or concord retribution would not work as long as anyone can place a bounty on anyone. Mayby they need to regulate who you can place a bounty on, to be limited to people who wronged you in some way. Like someone that flipped your can or attacked you in low or high sec. People who make the first strike would not be able to put a bounty on their target if the target manages to kill them in self defense. When you put a bounty on someone your kill right would be lost but then be extended in time and then be available to any bounty hunters who take on the "contract" The targets location should also be available in the bounty office but at a delayed update pace of say 15 minutes. So if you've been in Jinta for 15 minutes then your location would be shown as Jinta in the bounty office but if you move away from Jinta then it would take 15 min for the office to be updated. This would keep the target on the run but not be detrimental to gameplay. The bounty would also expire after a set ammount of time from the initial offense. The bounty hunter would be able to attack the target in any system without concord intervening but if you accept a bounty on someone then the target will be able to see who has accepted his bounty and the target would be able to attack the bounty hunters without concord intervening aswell. If someone pops your can then you get a 15 minute kill right on them. But if you set it up as a bounty then you lose the kill right but instead the bounty will last for 24 hours. If the target is killed by a bounty hunter then the bounty hunter will be paid and the bounty plus the kill right for other hunters will expire emidiatly. If two factions declare war on eachother and the war is mutualy accepted then they should both be free to place bounties on eachothers members. The bounties would then expire the same moment the war ends _______________
Erazar Caldari Imperii Fortuna	Posted - 2008.10.22 14:34:00 - [38] ive just made a post myself about bounty's... seems to me they are a waste of space (literally!) ....whats to stop the guy with the huge bounty on him to just blow him self up & get all the bounty! bountys = bad idea! only way i see around this is the bigger the bounty on the guy then (as daft as this sounds) they get some sort of bonus/rewards as long as the bounty is still in place to deter them from killing themselves with an alt to cash in the bounty! ...nothing major but maybe summit like training time speeded up depending on the amount of bounty on you etc... i dunno...but it defo needs looking at imo!

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