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Pater Deus	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:44:00 - [1] So no more ghost training, eh? OK, np, but what will happen with the account if the pilot doesn`t go himself and terminate it? When will the account be erased permanently from EVE pilot database? 30, 60, 90 120 days after inactive? threehundredandsixtyfive days later? Never? so I can just come back after... five years of an EVE recess? Did I missed a CCP policy statement on this part of the ghost training issue? Mine-Transport-Manufacture
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:48:00 - [2] Edited by: Misanth on 18/10/2008 14:49:47 I have no clue really, but it should be pretty obvious that what happens is that skills stop training only. Why would CCP delete the account? Makes no sense. As for how long accounts are alive after they go inactive.. pretty sure I read there's a deadline of x months, but I know at least one player that reactivated his three year old inactive account just fine.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 18/10/2008 14:51:01 CCP hasnt yet deleted any inactive accounts last i know. I doubt they started without telling people, as that would, you know, end up with them being yelled at alot. short answer: nevah [center] Old blog
Baldour Ngarr Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Pater Deus When will the account be erased permanently from EVE pilot database? 30, 60, 90 120 days after inactive? threehundredandsixtyfive days later? Never? so I can just come back after... five years of an EVE recess? As of right now, no accounts have ever been permanently erased (possibly excepting those permanently BANNED, but definitely not excepting anyone who just cancelled the account). Chances are, no accounts ever will. The days when you couldn't afford enough database space to keep old accounts on the records, are long since gone. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:54:00 - [5] I remember reading something official about that they may delete accounts that has been inactive for a long time, however nothing like that has ever happened from what I know. I don't think that CCP would start to delete old inactive accounts anytime soon either. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.18 14:58:00 - [6] Generally with MMOs they often say publically that they'll can delete your stuff, but they never will __________ Originally by: Tortun Nahme nah, that is the true badge of a forum warrior, to draw the humorous ire of the devs
Ryan Scouse'UK omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:56:00 - [7] Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 18/10/2008 16:00:44 Each account has.. What Wrangler Said below. no EVE related content in signature. ~Weatherman

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.10.18 15:58:00 - [8] We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email Reducing lag in EVE: The Jita Conundrum - StacklessIO or: How We Reduced Lag - Such Stuff As Dreams Are Made On - EVE64 - My node was equipped with the following...

IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:06:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. untill its a serious performance drag on the database amirite ?
Return delete	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:15:00 - [10] Edited by: Return delete on 18/10/2008 16:15:08 Originally by: IR Scoutar Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. untill its a serious performance drag on the database amirite ? look how stupid you are
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:16:00 - [11] Originally by: IR Scoutar untill its a serious performance drag on the database amirite ? This is why we can't have nice things __________ Originally by: Tortun Nahme nah, that is the true badge of a forum warrior, to draw the humorous ire of the devs

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:17:00 - [12] Originally by: IR Scoutar Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. untill its a serious performance drag on the database amirite ? Keeping account information, I'm told, doesn't really have any huge impact on performance. But that's up to the people who understand these things to decide. Personally, I'm still surprised I can start my own computer without calling office IT every morning so don't ask me about technical stuff. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email Reducing lag in EVE: The Jita Conundrum - StacklessIO or: How We Reduced Lag - Such Stuff As Dreams Are Made On - EVE64 - My node was equipped with the following...

Jac Straw Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:26:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: IR Scoutar Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. untill its a serious performance drag on the database amirite ? Keeping account information, I'm told, doesn't really have any huge impact on performance. But that's up to the people who understand these things to decide. Personally, I'm still surprised I can start my own computer without calling office IT every morning so don't ask me about technical stuff. lol Basically, the bigger the database the longer it takes to search. As in raw data, iirc. So if account information is small then I wouldn't see a problem. But then I'm no DBA .. but have played about with such things
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:29:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Personally, I'm still surprised I can start my own computer without calling office IT every morning so don't ask me about technical stuff. hihi Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: IR Scoutar untill its a serious performance drag on the database amirite ? This is why we can't have nice things /me slaps chaos this is eve your not supposed to get nice things ever!
Aliedora	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:32:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. one day in advance, like you did with ghost training?
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:43:00 - [16] Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 18/10/2008 16:43:43 Wrangler, I hope you get paid the big bucks to be the punching bag for EVE's playerbase Originally by: IR Scoutar /me slaps chaos this is eve your not supposed to get nice things ever! Evidently not. __________ Originally by: Tortun Nahme nah, that is the true badge of a forum warrior, to draw the humorous ire of the devs
Derkan Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.18 16:47:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Wrangler we'd announce it in advance. Like 2 days in advance? j/k
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.18 17:00:00 - [18] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: IR Scoutar Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. untill its a serious performance drag on the database amirite ? Keeping account information, I'm told, doesn't really have any huge impact on performance. But that's up to the people who understand these things to decide. Personally, I'm still surprised I can start my own computer without calling office IT every morning so don't ask me about technical stuff. You need to put those people in touch with the people that decided ghost training had a performance impact. In both cases they are 'keeping information', exactly the same amount in fact. However since the change made on Wednesday, Ghost training accounts require extra processing, not less, as before nothing was required to be checked until someone logged in (which obviously only happens if they pay). Now it has to be checked at least every downtime. In both cases, the amount of information kept is minimal, and the performance impact was virtually nil, in comparison to the extra subscriptions keeping inactive accounts provides when people return knowing their character is there. People are of course worried that those making the decisions have absolutely no idea that this is the case, and will continue to at least tell us that they are making decisions based on fictional assumptions. Quote: Like 2 days in advance? ARTHUR: Yes, well, as soon as I heard, I went straight round to see them. You hadnÆt gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody. PROSSER: The plans were on displayù ARTHUR: On display? I had to go down to the cellar to find them! PROSSER: ThatÆs the display department! ARTHUR: With a flashlight. PROSSER: The lights had probably gone out. ARTHUR: So had the stairs. PROSSER: But you found the notice, didnÆt you? ARTHUR: Yes, I did. It was "on display" in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying, "Beware of the Leopard." Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster
Drolic Caldari The Dirt Dogs	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Aliedora Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. one day in advance, like you did with ghost training? Haha! That was my first thought too! Though by then I doubt they'll have to disappear the public outrage thread and then claim it wasn't done on purpose! But one way or the other I hope my account is included because I will certainly be inactive by then. I haven't logged in since ghost training change and I won't ever again. Of course I'll be done posting in a couple of weeks when my purchased account time right before the 1 or 2 day advance notice of ghost training change for dubious reasons under dubious conditions pr mess happened. At least it gave me nearly a month to log into the forums and yell about it!
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.18 19:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Drolic Originally by: Aliedora Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. one day in advance, like you did with ghost training? Haha! That was my first thought too! Though by then I doubt they'll have to disappear the public outrage thread and then claim it wasn't done on purpose! But one way or the other I hope my account is included because I will certainly be inactive by then. I haven't logged in since ghost training change and I won't ever again. Of course I'll be done posting in a couple of weeks when my purchased account time right before the 1 or 2 day advance notice of ghost training change for dubious reasons under dubious conditions pr mess happened. At least it gave me nearly a month to log into the forums and yell about it! Just contract all of your stuff to me now please... ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Iss Mneur Gallente ARK-CORP SATRAPY	Posted - 2008.10.18 21:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Jac Straw Originally by: CCP Wrangler Keeping account information, I'm told, doesn't really have any huge impact on performance. But that's up to the people who understand these things to decide. Personally, I'm still surprised I can start my own computer without calling office IT every morning so don't ask me about technical stuff. lol Basically, the bigger the database the longer it takes to search. As in raw data, iirc. So if account information is small then I wouldn't see a problem. But then I'm no DBA .. but have played about with such things Your right, but even if the account information is long the user name would be indexed. Indexing amounts to sorting the information so that a binary search can be performed. The binary search results in one extra comparison per power of 2 increase in records. That is if you had 1 record it takes 1 comparison, 4 is 2, 8 is 3, 16 is 4, 1024 is 10 and 250000 is about 18 comparisons. So the only real penalty as mentioned before is increased database size. More than likely the database for authentication is a different server than the game database so it does not effect the game performance.
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.18 22:41:00 - [22] when you stop touching yourself at night. --------- I JUST FOUND THE GAME!
Meissa Anunthiel Redshift Industrial	Posted - 2008.10.18 23:27:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: IR Scoutar Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. untill its a serious performance drag on the database amirite ? Keeping account information, I'm told, doesn't really have any huge impact on performance. But that's up to the people who understand these things to decide. Personally, I'm still surprised I can start my own computer without calling office IT every morning so don't ask me about technical stuff. While it probably doesn't have a significant impact on performance, it has consequences: namespace depletion. I'm personally happy to have a character naming scheme that's unlikely to collide with anyone's, but that's not true for everyone. I'm starting to see more and more new characters named SomeName2873 because SomeName is taken. Those unused characters also prevent corporations and alliances being named with what their members want, leading to corp names substituting letters with figures, which is not nice either. If anything, all those trial accounts that have never been activated and have lied unused for years could be removed, don't you think?
Sacul Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.19 00:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 18/10/2008 16:43:43 Wrangler, I hope you get paid the big bucks to be the punching bag for EVE's playerbase yes big ISK bucks.....he be rich in tha fishing village.
Pasha Cracken Caldari Thanos and Killjoy Productions	Posted - 2008.10.19 00:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Sacul Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 18/10/2008 16:43:43 Wrangler, I hope you get paid the big bucks to be the punching bag for EVE's playerbase yes big ISK bucks.....he be rich in tha fishing village. I want a fishing village -----
Taima Khan	Posted - 2008.10.19 00:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Lord Fitz ARTHUR: Yes, I did. It was "on display" in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying, "Beware of the Leopard." As a Mac user that had 7 accounts ghost training I can see how that quote fits 100% to CCP, including the door sign.
Ami Nia	Posted - 2008.10.19 00:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel I'm starting to see more and more new characters named SomeName2873 because SomeName is taken. Yes, namespace pollution is becoming a problem. And corp ticket space pollution is even worse. But if the names you refer to are of the form "Amarr Citizen nnn" with the nnn standing for a number, then those are not names the player made to overcome a namespace pollution problem. Those are assigned by CCP when they find some problems with the original character name (noteworthy: they contain two spaces). --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal So we can 1 v 1 with Garmon.
OK USA	Posted - 2008.10.19 00:44:00 - [28] Originally by: IR Scoutar Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. untill its a serious performance drag on the database amirite ? You ****ing idiot, CCP takes the time to give an answer to the OP and this is how you treat them? CCP is damned if they do, damned if they dont.
Drolic Caldari The Dirt Dogs	Posted - 2008.10.19 01:33:00 - [29] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Drolic Originally by: Aliedora Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. one day in advance, like you did with ghost training? Haha! That was my first thought too! Though by then I doubt they'll have to disappear the public outrage thread and then claim it wasn't done on purpose! But one way or the other I hope my account is included because I will certainly be inactive by then. I haven't logged in since ghost training change and I won't ever again. Of course I'll be done posting in a couple of weeks when my purchased account time right before the 1 or 2 day advance notice of ghost training change for dubious reasons under dubious conditions pr mess happened. At least it gave me nearly a month to log into the forums and yell about it! Just contract all of your stuff to me now please... /sigh I would, but supporting your enjoyment of the game would be supporting your support of the company after I have decided to voice my opinion by not doing so. Sorry!
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.10.19 02:09:00 - [30] it'd be nice if only to free up some names so we could use them... - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Finger Licking	Posted - 2008.10.19 02:47:00 - [31] Originally by: CCP Wrangler We guarantee that your account will remain for 6 months after you cancel it. However, we have not deleted any accounts since EVE opened over 5 years ago and if we would ever start, which I doubt, we'd announce it in advance. So, you going to announce it like 3 days before you do it again? I mean, "Ghost Training" was a touted feature up until last week, so how are we ever supposed to believe anything you guys say anymore?
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.10.19 03:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Frug it'd be nice if only to free up some names so we could use them... /signed. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.10.19 06:01:00 - [33] They're as likely to allow recycling of character names as they do alliance names.
R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.19 08:21:00 - [34] I like the policy in general but I wish CCP would make an exception for the trial accounts with characters that never pass the 14 day trial. I trial accounts which never go on to become paid accounts should be deleted (and their characters) after 1 year, cos there are some really good names that are tied up on old chars nobody will ever use. DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine
Shirrath	Posted - 2008.10.25 10:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Jac Straw Basically, the bigger the database the longer it takes to search. As in raw data, iirc. So if account information is small then I wouldn't see a problem. The account information itself is probably fairly small, but you'd also have to include everything related to the account. A suicide alt takes much less space than a longtime character with dozens of fitted ships and assets on hundreds of stations. Also, CCP's DBAs probably use indexing heavily, so database performance doesn't decrease at the same rate as the size of the database increases.
eliminator2 Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.25 11:30:00 - [36] the ghost trainin has good and bad ideas etc good idea all the lazy gits that ghost train whille at home isnt on but people that have buisiness trips can have something to bring them back bad idea is that this is based on me but my account went inactive because i couldnt get gtc in time then i couldnt post on forums to ask for one so i had to bother 2 friends make an alt to get in touch with em then after 4-5 days i manged to get one the point is if this happens to a few people there account will stop training for the lenght of time it takes to get GTC allso i would like it if CCP wouldnt let inactive accounts be able to post in the timecode bazzar only in there for a few days to ask for a gtc and bump it
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.10.25 11:47:00 - [37] yea, you cant do that.. eve rule's that way.. some of us have been in and out of this game for a long time, its good too see ccp showing respect that way for old school Characters..
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:12:00 - [38] I'm no database expert, but isn't it possible to put inactive accounts in a separate file when they become inactive, so that they don't take up database space or search time in the active files? On the subject of names; it might be a good idea to change the name of a character on an account inactive for perhaps 1 year to something generic; XYZ Citizen nnnn, for example. Thus releasing all the really cool names that are no longer available for use because they belong to pod pilots in suspended animation (to RP a bit). ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Uzume Ame	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:13:00 - [39] At least delete >6 months old (randome time) trial chars/accounts. Teh failure of a signature.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:18:00 - [40] Originally by: vanBuskirk I'm no database expert, but isn't it possible to put inactive accounts in a separate file when they become inactive, so that they don't take up database space or search time in the active files? On the subject of names; it might be a good idea to change the name of a character on an account inactive for perhaps 1 year to something generic; XYZ Citizen nnnn, for example. Thus releasing all the really cool names that are no longer available for use because they belong to pod pilots in suspended animation (to RP a bit). i dont think so, your name is your name in eve.. this ant wow, you dont make a mark in wow. i wouldnt wont my guy back if i lost my name. its the name that matters not the points.

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