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Rhys Onasi
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Posted - 2008.10.18 22:07:00 -
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Has anyone played this yet?
Is it as bad as the original X3 when comes to the ungodly amount of bugs in it when first released?
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.10.18 22:44:00 -
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I've dabbled in it a bit. I haven't run into any bugs yet, but then again I am an utter noob at the X series so I might not even be using the features that might have bugs.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.18 23:58:00 -
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From what I hear from my sources, its rather good. Check out egosoft's site (egosoft.com, forum.egosoft.com) for their forum.. it will have much better information than what you will get from here.
 Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Sgt Blade
Caldari
Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.19 01:42:00 -
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played it for a few hours and so far so good
cant seem to find any info on if they made the complex building simpler/easyer... i was straight lines dammit
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.19 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Blade
cant seem to find any info on if they made the complex building simpler/easyer... i was straight lines dammit
Ugh, that was one of the major gripes I had about X3.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.19 03:54:00 -
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What?! Complex building was my favorite part... Just randomly throw them around the system and hope it works!
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Roxanna Kell
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:56:00 -
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Always played the series. and just got this one.
There are glitches, but nothing serious. its better than x3 reunion.
I haven't played it enough to comment on it, but best be checking on online review instead of this forum for through testing.
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There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.10.19 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: pwnedgato on 19/10/2008 16:51:21
I get the feeling this would be 11X better sitting on a TS or vent with another person or 2 also playing it.
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Roxanna Kell
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.19 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato
Edited by: pwnedgato on 19/10/2008 16:51:21
I get the feeling this would be 11X better sitting on a TS or vent with another person or 2 also playing it.
Shame the game supports no multilayer, not even co-op.
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There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: pwnedgato on 19/10/2008 17:00:22
It wouldn't even need to be multi-player. Just hearing about other people running into random armadas of one faction or another or getting a bit of advice on where I can buy a jumpdrive would be nifty.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.19 17:12:00 -
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Steam actually makes this easy... just get some buddies you know play x3, get them on steam friends, and then use a channel for voice stuff.
Make a x3 group and get all your friends to invite all their x3 friends to all play together, and then use the group chat for voice.
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.19 20:18:00 -
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I'm still playing through Reunion, I'll move onto TC when I get bored of this.
Most of my game time seems to be spent afk. I park my ship somewhere I'm unlikely to be disturbed, set the SETA going at 10x and wander off for a few hours. When I come back, my factories and sector/universe traders have done their thing and I'm a few mil richer.
I wish my SETA would go higher than 10x. 
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Sgt Blade
Caldari
Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.19 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
What?! Complex building was my favorite part... Just randomly throw them around the system and hope it works!
yes but i want my complex to look remotely nice... you know straight connections instead of it being all over the place.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:06:00 -
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I keep getting my face ****d off by missiles in any ship without massive amounts of shields >.>
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.20 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
I'm still playing through Reunion, I'll move onto TC when I get bored of this.
Most of my game time seems to be spent afk. I park my ship somewhere I'm unlikely to be disturbed, set the SETA going at 10x and wander off for a few hours. When I come back, my factories and sector/universe traders have done their thing and I'm a few mil richer.
I wish my SETA would go higher than 10x.
gah.,
Just script yourself in some money. It would be easier on you, your power bill, and would save you time.
You also lose fight ranks by doing that... come on, play the game. Go take a run down pirate ally, go invade a xenon sector..
Live a little.
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.20 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
I'm still playing through Reunion, I'll move onto TC when I get bored of this.
Most of my game time seems to be spent afk. I park my ship somewhere I'm unlikely to be disturbed, set the SETA going at 10x and wander off for a few hours. When I come back, my factories and sector/universe traders have done their thing and I'm a few mil richer.
I wish my SETA would go higher than 10x.
gah.,
Just script yourself in some money. It would be easier on you, your power bill, and would save you time.
You also lose fight ranks by doing that... come on, play the game. Go take a run down pirate ally, go invade a xenon sector..
Live a little.
How do I script myself some money?
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.10.20 16:11:00 -
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So, how is the framerate on that game? Dependant on RL stellar constellations and chicken bones, again?
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.20 16:54:00 -
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Giving it a go myself, and its far stabler than when X3 came out.
No quick way to set up stations in a grid-like formation for complexes, yet again. Guess I'm gonna wait till the community releases complex builder scripts or egosoft patches it in.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.20 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
I'm still playing through Reunion, I'll move onto TC when I get bored of this.
Most of my game time seems to be spent afk. I park my ship somewhere I'm unlikely to be disturbed, set the SETA going at 10x and wander off for a few hours. When I come back, my factories and sector/universe traders have done their thing and I'm a few mil richer.
I wish my SETA would go higher than 10x.
gah.,
Just script yourself in some money. It would be easier on you, your power bill, and would save you time.
You also lose fight ranks by doing that... come on, play the game. Go take a run down pirate ally, go invade a xenon sector..
Live a little.
How do I script myself some money?
Link to free money
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.10.21 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: pwnedgato on 21/10/2008 03:27:41
How much free money should I get myself. I just want enough to make the beginning easier without ruining the work to get the end game stuff.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.21 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 21/10/2008 09:59:05
Bah, I don't want to cheat. Is there just a script to just make my SETA go faster? Like 1000x or something?
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Elena Morin'staal
Minmatar
Tau Online Explorator Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.21 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 21/10/2008 09:59:05
Bah, I don't want to cheat. Is there just a script to just make my SETA go faster? Like 1000x or something?
You might as well though, the end result is the same - extra money with very little player input.
Script money, buy an M1, go to Xenon space and collect 200 kills :D
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:43:00 -
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I have a massive hard-on for missiles. I think I am going to make some kind of massive missile whoring fleet with all the wings set to 50% missile chance.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:32:00 -
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I'm not too keen on missiles myself. The ones which hit do next to zero damage. Mosquitos can be useful though to aggro a pirate that's faster than you and you can't catch up. Personally, I use the cheesy method of jumpdriving to the gate they're heading for.
Anyway, I have finally sc****d up enough money (without that cheat script that was linked earlier) to buy a TL and finish off the infrastructure around my player headquarters. I now have one enormous complex in Elena's Fortune freely producing every material I need to build any ship. I even have excess of some materials to sell. I plan to start pumping out a fleet of M7 Hyperions and Xenon LXs (I captured one earlier and reverse engineered it) as escorts. 21 hour build time on the M7 though  . It then remains for me to build a load of factories for producing shields and guns and the like.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:38:00 -
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bah.
The cheat scripts give you money, but with a (better) ui than a basic give money script.
hell, i could write up a give me money script, but you might as well just download the cheats and use those.
Anyway, missiles are awesome when combined with the medusa missile interface...
get a shitload of wasps in an m6, coupled with thunderbolts and various others (i use auroras, disruptors...) Wasps are nice because they are fast and they are swarm missiles, while thunderbolts will blow stuff up. Using medusa to launch a wasp at every ship within 10k, and then throwing a thunderbolt at them all too will seriously thin out m3's, and should kill most m4s... This uses shedloads of missiles though, and shouldnt be attempted without a factory producing the types of missiles you are going to be wasting :p
Also good as an "oh shit" button; as long as you arent getting shot at, you can use medusa to fire at anything near you, and the missiles usually distract the bad guys enough to let you get out, or at least charge your jumpdrive.
Then again, my game is scripted and modded to hell and back, and im not sure if it even will start anymore >.<
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:57:00 -
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Yeah I've never heard of a Medusa interface.
Is it possible to produce your own ship extensions like engine tuning and rudder optimisation? Also software and jumpdrives? Or would that just make the game too broken?
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Zyck
KDS Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.21 21:26:00 -
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This game sounds really interesting.
Can anyone write up a review or something about the game? I've been checking online and no one seems to have it done it yet, unless I'm just not seeing it. Sounds interesting but I don't know much about it.
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armas
Gallente
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 21:27:00 -
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My copy will hopefully arrive tomorrow and I think I will try it vanilla at first. However, I was hoping someone had a list of 'essential' scripts/mods. I'm not looking for cheats like giving credits but ones that augment and improve gameplay. Thanks in advance.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.21 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Lance Fighter on 21/10/2008 21:28:49
Reaper: Go to the link i gave for the cheats, but just go to the x3 scripting subforum instead... There you SHOULD be able to find a link to just about anything you might want, be it free ships, upgrades like that produced at a player HQ... Just about anything really.
And if you cant finding, start learning how to script, and do it yourself! That is the joy of this game, the fact that you can literally do anything... Not like other games, where you actually are limited by what the game lets you, in x3 you can make new stuff to do if you really wanted to.
Its a bit time consuming, but hey, it works!
zyck; According to my friends who have it, its one word: Awesome, in all meanings of the word.
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.10.22 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: pwnedgato on 22/10/2008 05:13:13
Woops I cheated too hard. Now I have a fleet of pimped out Valhallans and a support fleet cruising down towards the nearest Xenon core system. While I raid random **** in Luna and Earth orbit with tons of fighter drones M3+'s, M7M's rigged for boarding actions and whatever I capture.
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Falcon Troy
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.22 05:30:00 -
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I have X3:Reunion and it looks like great fun...if only I could ever figure out how to play the damn thing.
Seriously it's ridiculous because after videos I've watched and reading tons of reviews it sounds like so much fun. 
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.22 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy
I have X3:Reunion and it looks like great fun...if only I could ever figure out how to play the damn thing.
Seriously it's ridiculous because after videos I've watched and reading tons of reviews it sounds like so much fun.
Yeah, it's not the most intuitive game. I've had the game for over a year, and I only figured out how to place stations a few weeks ago.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.10.23 13:30:00 -
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Does it have a storyline of any sort? Is Julian Brennan back? And the hot, asian chick whose pixels make it all worthwhile? What about the psycho mobster's daughter I vaguely recall having to rescue?
I have X2 and X3, I think I'll order this later on. I had the misfortune of playing X3 before they patched the major bugs and it left a sour taste in my mouth. I reinstalled it quite recently and tried to have another go...couldn't work out why my SETA wasn't working properly right at the start and gave up.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.23 20:28:00 -
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Did your ship actually have a SETA device installed?
Anyway. YAY, I've finally gotten round to buying X3TC. First impressions: intro sequence is quite frankly AWESOME. I keep watching it over and over again (I know it's sad). The mouse + keyboard controls aren't the same as with X3R (unless I changed my controls in X3R and forgot about it), so it feels quite awkward to play. I miss being able to right click, getting a mouse cursor and being able to just click stuff. Now you have to shift-N. Not a great hardship (and I can probably reassign that function anyway), but annoying. Some other fairly minor UI tweaks which will take a while getting used to, such as (apparently) not being able to auto-dock.
From the limited amount I have played, it just seems like X3R but with some more ships, stations, equipment, etc and some new sectors added. Which I'm happy with - no need to fix what ain't broke! I haven't noticed any graphical upgrade over X3R (although I'm sure it's there), but then X3R was fairly shiny and pretty to begin with. |
Great Artista
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.23 21:04:00 -
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Oh man I loved buzzing around in my pimped out jaguar. It had those oversized guns and ridiculous speed, making it superb for capping and general dogfights, like crusaders in eve! 
Have the mechanics in dogfights changed? Does it still have that stupid eve-like auto-stop function (when you glide through space and stop the throttle, the ship automagically stops)? I'd love to see that 'feature' gone, it'd make the game much more interesting.
What about complex-building, in the original x3 it was so clumsy and random that you'd have to save after every successfull factory planting. In anycase, I might have to go and buy this game.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.23 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 23/10/2008 22:00:04
I don't remember a ship called the jaguar. My favourite ship was the Xenon LX. I think it must have been a bug (why would an AI eject from it's ship?), but I actually managed to capture one of these. Reverse engineered it, then built a small army of the things. They seem to be listed as M3, but their stats are slightly better than an M3+.
I'm afraid it's still a case of "Physics? What physics?". You stop your engines -> your ship stops dead. And I haven't build any complexes yet, but I was actually rather fond of my spaghetti complexes in X3R. Occasionally found a crate of free stuff near some of the tubes, where some silly trader had bumped against it. 
Edit: ooh, one cool thing. You don't have to drop your shields to pick up crates any more. Just run over them, and they get collected. Saves some faffing about at least. |
Great Artista
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.23 22:19:00 -
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Hmm yeah, it wasn't jaguar, it was something else... I think I just named it jaguar when I bought it and as I never lost one so all I can remember of it was its name hehehe. 
Dogfights were bloody awesome, they don't make enough dogfight games.  |
KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.10.23 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: KingsGambit on 23/10/2008 23:24:38
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Did your ship actually have a SETA device installed?
The ship Julian starts in has SETA, I'm fairly sure. Regardless, my problem was that I would adtivate it, then after a time it would just disengage by itself. Before I did anything on starting anew, I wanted to try getting used to the controls etc, so tried manouvering about and SETA just wouldn't stay on. I went some distance from the bustle of that starting system (mostly to get away from Bandana That name always makes me laugh), and even stationary, it still happened. I posted on egosoft forums, tried everything with my logitech controller, remapped keys, and gave up. I really did try!
PS. Despite my final post in that thread, it didn't actually solve my problem. I thought it had, but trying a second time it came right back. Nevermind, I just ordered X3TC from play, will give it a go when it arrives.
[EDIT]Stupid forum ate my post  [/EDIT]
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.24 09:24:00 -
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It's probably your mouse. I know I sometimes have this thing where my mouse cursor slowly moves without me touching the mouse. And sometimes it randomly moves to an adjacent pixel. If this happens to you, it WILL break the SETA. |
Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.26 06:30:00 -
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anyone know if this game would run on my old agp 7600 nvidia (256) ?
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.10.26 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 23/10/2008 22:00:04
I'm afraid it's still a case of "Physics? What physics?". You stop your engines -> your ship stops dead. And I haven't build any complexes yet, but I was actually rather fond of my spaghetti complexes in X3R. Occasionally found a crate of free stuff near some of the tubes, where some silly trader had bumped against it.
Well, there's at least some inertia, you drift a little when you turn.
TC is my first X3 game, and I barely scratched the surface, but I think I like it.
Couple of noob questions:
- Where to find that jump drive I hear about? how much does it cost?
- So far in the stations I visited, the price of trade goods are the same, preventing trade. is trade only doable over long distances? Is it wize to try doing it without a jump drive?
- Any tip to make money in the beginning, in a custom game? Tried a kill mission, but even without wasting any time going about it, the timer ended 2 minutes before I could reach the target. Damn noobship slower than a cruiser.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.26 08:28:00 -
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Hmmm, egosoft releases X3:TC before the Babylon5 X3:Forever mod... |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.26 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 23/10/2008 22:00:04
I'm afraid it's still a case of "Physics? What physics?". You stop your engines -> your ship stops dead. And I haven't build any complexes yet, but I was actually rather fond of my spaghetti complexes in X3R. Occasionally found a crate of free stuff near some of the tubes, where some silly trader had bumped against it.
Well, there's at least some inertia, you drift a little when you turn.
TC is my first X3 game, and I barely scratched the surface, but I think I like it.
Couple of noob questions:
- Where to find that jump drive I hear about? how much does it cost?
- So far in the stations I visited, the price of trade goods are the same, preventing trade. is trade only doable over long distances? Is it wize to try doing it without a jump drive?
- Any tip to make money in the beginning, in a custom game? Tried a kill mission, but even without wasting any time going about it, the timer ended 2 minutes before I could reach the target. Damn noobship slower than a cruiser.
Get the jumpdrive from the Terracorp Headquarters in Home Of Light (1 jump south of Argon Prime, 2 jumps south of Herron's Nebula where you start as humble merchant). It costs about 100k and uses energy cells for each jump.
To start trading, it's best to trade stuff like energy cells and ore. Buy energy cells from solar power plants at 12 or 13 credits each, sell them for 18 or 19. Buy ore from ore mines for around 50 to 70 credits each, sell for 130 to 180 (or more if you're lucky). One thing you will find immensely irritating is seeing another trader ship docking at the station before you, buying out a load of what you want to buy, and sending the price up. Not much you can really do about that but go somewhere else. It's good to invest in trade command software mk1 and mk2 early on, so you can see what the buy and sell price of goods at a given station are before you dock there. Best Buy locator and Best Sell locator cost about 20k each and are also worth getting as a trader once you've built up a little cash.
For a quick cash injection early on, there's an abandoned ship in the top right corner of Menelaus' Frontier (go exploring to find this sector - it's a little way to the north and east of Argon Prime). You will of course need a duplex or triplex scanner to find it. Go claim it and sell it at a shipyard.
Another way to make some easy cash is to scavenge stuff from battles. Last night, I bumped into some Paranid invasion fleet barging its way through Home Of Light. The resulting battle caused lots of ships to go pop, and drop a lot of missiles in crates which I could pick up in my buster sentinel. Made about 400k by doing that.
From what I can gather, missions in TC are broken. Some of them are impossible to complete in the given time limit. Don't bother. Just trade your way up to getting a decent fighter, then go shoot some pirates. Sometimes the pirate pilot will bail from his ship before you finish destroying it. Then you can capture it and either keep it or sell it. At least, that's what happened in X3R, haven't tried in TC yet. Build up some cash, then build a few stations here and there to give you an income, and basically go and dominate the universe.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.26 14:34:00 -
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i finally got the game as well, yesterday, and naturally spent all day playing :D
Im working through the terran plot, its rather cool... the m4 that you start with is rather fast, and powerful... ive taken down m6's with it >.<
Cant seem to find a jumpdrive in my current game though, but ive been busy playing the plot (dont really need a JD... cargo is too small to use effectively :| )
Main problem ive found is that nobody at all stocks terran weapons! Even the weapon forges themselves dont have them... Ive finally found a couple extra missiles, and one extra EMPC thing... That should make me that much more effective :D
There is also a minor bug in the terran m4 model in relation to weapon placement; the first two weapon slots are on the right, but they make both gun models show on the ship, whereas if i put a gun on the left side (bottom two slots), it shoots from an invisible gun on the left...
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.26 15:36:00 -
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Has anyone else been getting ridiculously low framerates? My game started off fairly smoothly, but my framerate has been getting lower and lower as I discover more sectors. I don't think it's a graphics issue because lowering the graphics settings doesn't give me a higher framerate, and my computer is fairly pimped out anyway. As far as I can tell, the only graphical change they've made is to add reflections (which can't be turned off). It's irritating.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.26 17:35:00 -
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apparently this is a cpu problem: the more systems you explore, the more your computer has to keep track of stuff and such... My computer has crappy framerates anyway, but i live with it :p
My guess is that in a month or two, egosoft will come out with a huge performance patch (they seem to always do).
Im now stuck in the terran missions, due to a rather annoying loop that requires the ts you capture to stay alive, and if it doesnt, requires you to start over >.<
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.26 19:14:00 -
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Dude, just don't bother with missions. They're basically broken at the moment. Just build up an empire using more traditional means like trading, capping and manufacturing.
So do you reckon getting a new CPU would help much with the framerates? I've been thinking for a while about upgrading my E2160 to an E7300. More L2 cache, higher multiplier, 45nm chip, all good things and doesn't cost a king's ransom. |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.26 20:03:00 -
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Meh the missions work well enough to give me free ships, and thats all i worry about at the moment :D (just got handed a fully loading terran m3... not complaining  )
Plan on working my way up with the missions to a ship that can use marines... try out capturing other ships for profits.
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.26 20:06:00 -
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I just remember laughing when X3R came out and everyone complained that the anti-piracy was preventing them from playing their legit game. When the Bala-gi missions came out in v2.0, they decided to remove the protection that was causing so many problems.
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There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.26 20:07:00 -
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Can't a bog standard TP (such as the abandoned Toucan in Menelaus' Frontier) use marines? Cos I'm fairly certain it can.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.26 20:09:00 -
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true to both of you... even the steam version comes with TAGES >.< I live with it though.
The tp, im sure it could... im over by omicron lyrae... could buy one from the terran shipyards, but its more that i need to figure it out than I need to get a ship lol |
Gregorian Tarkenoff
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Posted - 2008.10.26 21:54:00 -
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X3 is the entire reason I even started playing Eve. I was always like "I wonder what this game would be like in multiplayer?" Now I know... blooooooody! I have not bought it yet, because X2 I bought a new comp to run it, and X3 I bought a new comp to run it. I don't want to buy a new comp just yet . I just cannot get over how insane the graphics are in that game though. Even X2, despite the terrible ****pit, still has some decent graphics options that can test a good computer.
Can you cap Khaak cap ships in the expansion? That would be quite lovely. Also what's up with invasion forces? Do the Paranid invade Argon space, Split invade Boron space, and the like?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.26 21:58:00 -
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No idea. All I saw was a Paranid Zeus and some fighters just randomly blowing stuff up in Home Of Light. Then an Argon M1 arrived and annihilated them. I scooped up the loot.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.26 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gregorian Tarkenoff
X3 is the entire reason I even started playing Eve. I was always like "I wonder what this game would be like in multiplayer?" Now I know... blooooooody! I have not bought it yet, because X2 I bought a new comp to run it, and X3 I bought a new comp to run it. I don't want to buy a new comp just yet . I just cannot get over how insane the graphics are in that game though. Even X2, despite the terrible ****pit, still has some decent graphics options that can test a good computer.
Can you cap Khaak cap ships in the expansion? That would be quite lovely. Also what's up with invasion forces? Do the Paranid invade Argon space, Split invade Boron space, and the like?
From what I understand, the capture technology that they introduced with the marines and such allows you to capture BigShips (above m6, below m2, but not including m8... last minute dev change apparently)
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.27 00:19:00 -
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Ok so apparently either I fail at boarding, or i just have no clue how; I got a tp, and I found myself a pirate centaur that i banged up quite a bit. I ordered the tp with 9 marines to board it, and kept my weapons on the centaur to keep the shields down...
But somehow it managed to kill all of the marines, i get no status messages related to the boarding, and it also kills my tp! Now im mad... So i reloaded and blew it to hell before it had a change
Since ive now given up on m6 targets, and m7 are also out of the question, where can i find a good target? :\
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.27 00:29:00 -
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I think someone in the Egosoft forums mentioned that M7M ships (or something) were specially equipped with boarding pods for marines. I think the fact that weapons stay intact after severe hull damage is a bug. Once that is fixed, it may be possible to capture a ship with marines using other types of ship. |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.27 00:36:00 -
[57]
ok, ill keep my eyes out for a m7m or whatever...
I wonder, can i launch it from a m6 ship? says they can carry 5 marines or something, and the m6s i usually meet have no marines on board (bio/freight scanner...)
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:04:00 -
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X3 TC has some good ideas, but it has also the old Egosoft problem of being full of bugs.
For example some Storyline Missions cannot be completed without cheating. Also the game has a bad performance problem and is slowing down over time, which right now can only be solved with starting over.
In my honest opinion you should still give X3: TC a chance but it would be the best to wait a few weeks and the game has been patched to an acceptable level.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.27 19:16:00 -
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Yes, I'm giving up on X3TC for a while until Egosoft release a performance patch. I have explored the western part of Argon space and a few sectors leading over to Akeela's Beacon and Light of Heart. And my framerate is around 15 on average as opposed to 60-80 at the start.
Thing is, I understand why performance is degrading as I explore more sectors, it's just that I'm reminded that X3R doesn't have this problem.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:24:00 -
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ye I can agree on those points as well...
I havent exactly had to cheat yet to get through my plots, although I have been tempted more than once already >.> I think I might have a chat with the goners, try something different than the terrans... |
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.27 21:15:00 -
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I can't find the goners. There doesn't seem to be a temple in Cloudbase South West like there was in X3R.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.27 22:11:00 -
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I dunno... never went there. Too afraid that my fps will drop way too much if i take that kind of trip >.<
there is still the one over by omicron lyrae, complete with a goner TL that will give out a story mission. (actually, the goner temple is not even on the map, but visible if you look for it. cant do anything with it though :|). I assume once you have a chat with the goners, their missions will set up an eq dock or something to get a JD with, because i cant find those anywhere near where I started, and I REALLY need one atm.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.28 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
I dunno... never went there. Too afraid that my fps will drop way too much if i take that kind of trip >.<
there is still the one over by omicron lyrae, complete with a goner TL that will give out a story mission. (actually, the goner temple is not even on the map, but visible if you look for it. cant do anything with it though :|). I assume once you have a chat with the goners, their missions will set up an eq dock or something to get a JD with, because i cant find those anywhere near where I started, and I REALLY need one atm.
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Xenon 101
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Posted - 2008.10.28 13:52:00 -
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" go invade a xenon sector"
I remember my first attempt of doing that, it took me 4 months to build a 200 ships fleet and 30 minutes to lose it, luckily i remembered to save game before entering sector XENON 101 lol
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.28 14:34:00 -
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I see what you did there.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.28 15:30:00 -
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I wonder how long before egosoft get it running stably, think I'll wait 6 months before buying this, I shall amuse myself with x3r in the meantime as I've never beating the campaign in it >_>
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.29 01:31:00 -
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to the above...
Reaper, of course i started as terran. ... :D Actually, they have jumpdrives on Earth, so I just use there now. got enough drives that I can use a tm to move discos with drives and trade among ships... tm's and discos are cheap, and i know two places to get drives so far.
Finished off the terran plot.. thinking of buying a 'real' ship, a centaur or the likes... a nova raider, because its faster, got better cargo, and can use more weapons than my meh terran m3... dont really care for it much. Too generic... like a mission running raven. I want to get rid of it.
At the xenon invasion comment, your obviously doing it wrong :D Get a single ship.... m7 maybe, dunno how good those are yet in TC... Use that with some ranged weapons, and go shoot at random stuff in a xenon sectors. The few times ive been through xenon sectors, I dont see very many xenons at all. Ive seen more in patrol missions than in xenon sectors tbh.
And I give ego another 3 months at MOST to release 1.3... probably closer to 1 month for 1.3, another 2 for 1.4, then maybe 6 till 2.0 :p
While ego never seems to release a perfect game, they have stated one of their biggest regret of the series is releasing x3r too early...
I dont really have a good enough computer on either release, but I can live with it.. My biggest problem is the damn terran stations, they are 30km across at least, and are a bigger drain on my fps than a xenon battle. I was literally going seconds per frame when I was trying to dock at the torus.
I should say though, that even from mars, earth is a beautiful sight
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Zyck
KDS Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.29 02:12:00 -
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I'm a huge X3 noob so if anyone can help with a few questions...it would be awesome.
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I've got one extra hauling ship, and managed to save up enough to buy some Trade Software M3 or whatever it is. So I can now do sector trading. I did this, and got him to level 6.
- Can I do universe trading now, or is that later? And what does that do?
- When I do sector trading, it now asks for a range (0-1). What exactly does this do? Obviously it wants to know how many sectors to trade in from the one I pick, but will it buy/sell in all of these places? And if it's on standby, will it automatically kick back in once it detects a good trade?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 10:10:00 -
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I haven't done auto trading in X3TC, but I can tell you how it worked in X3R and it's probably the same.
You've worked out how to do sector trader, so that's fine. You need to wait until the pilot is level 8 before you can make him a universe trader. You also need to equip the ship with at least one 25MW shield, fight command software 1 (and possibly 2), and trade command software 3 (which you already have). Equipping a jump drive is good too, but when the trader reaches level 12, he'll just buy one anyway at 10% extra cost to you. It's basically only used to escape if it comes under attack. Then you'll be able to start universe trader from the command console. I can't remember precisely what range does, but I *think* it's how far from its location it will look to buy and sell things.
Do NOT fit a gun to the universe trader. If you do, he'll turn and try to fight instead of using the jumpdrive to escape. That WILL result in the trader being lost.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zyck
Edited by: Zyck on 29/10/2008 02:51:51
I'm a huge X3 noob so if anyone can help with a few questions...it would be awesome.
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I've got one extra hauling ship, and managed to save up enough to buy some Trade Software M3 or whatever it is. So I can now do sector trading. I did this, and got him to level 6.
- Can I do universe trading now, or is that later? And what does that do?
- When I do sector trading, it now asks for a range (0-1). What exactly does this do? Obviously it wants to know how many sectors to trade in from the one I pick, but will it buy/sell in all of these places? And if it's on standby, will it automatically kick back in once it detects a good trade?
- For some reason, my hauler on sector trader orders keeps doing one trade and then saying orders completed...why? I didn't have this problem before. Just all of a sudden it only does one trade and stops.
To start the Ship as an Universe Wide Trader, you need to Tquip his ship with Jump Drive. Also when the Trader Script stops, it would be best if you move it to a different location because the Trader does probably not find enough business opportunities in his assigned sector
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Zyck
KDS Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:39:00 -
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Though shouldn't the ship go on standby if there are no good trades within its range? Mine just makes one trade and goes to "orders: none" rather than going to standby and waiting.
Could the fact that he has hull damage and no shields be part of the problem? :P I'm too poor right now to buy it anything or repair it...
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.29 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zyck
Thanks for the replies guys.
Though shouldn't the ship go on standby if there are no good trades within its range? Mine just makes one trade and goes to "orders: none" rather than going to standby and waiting.
Could the fact that he has hull damage and no shields be part of the problem? :P I'm too poor right now to buy it anything or repair it...
Yeah, you need at least one 25MW shield for it to work. The pilot just refuses to do universe trader otherwise.
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Zyck
KDS Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Yeah, you need at least one 25MW shield for it to work. The pilot just refuses to do universe trader otherwise.
I'm doing sector trader though and still have that problem of one trade, then orders: none.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.29 21:34:00 -
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While ive not tried the mk3 trader yet in my game, I could take a gander at the problem
From what i see, your ST asks for an input (1/0), and then does about its work... have you tried giving it both zero and one, to see if it makes a difference?
Perhaps there is simply nothing to be done in that sector... I dunno offhand what the good sectors in x3tc are for ST training, check the ego forums for that stuff.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:37:00 -
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definately a fun game once you get into it. I started off a bit confused as to what to do (like every X game really) but it's normally worth it.
definately has it's bugs, and seems to lag a lot for me in some sectors so I hope Egosoft fix that at some point, but nothing unbearable...
except those stupidly impossible Xenon Invasion missions.
Wasted sooo much time on this already. Went exploring all the sectors in a Kestrel, found about 10 Unique Ships in space
The wings thing makes ordering fighters about so much better, plus they can actually hit stuff now. I don't really like big clumsy ships so most of my fleet is those TM things (super-mini carriers) carrying around my lil' fighter swarms of doom.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.30 16:33:00 -
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On a small update, for those with difficulties with the Unitrader:
It appears the Script has a bug at the moment. The only solution right now seems to be, to use it only for Sector-Trade at the moment.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.30 20:43:00 -
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Ahem,..
It apparently fixes the performance over time bug... link provided above.
Originally by: Akita T
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 21:55:00 -
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Does it work? Alas, I have the Steam version so I have to wait for Steam to release the patch.
Hmm
Update News - X3: Terran Conflict
Latest Update: December 31, 1969
^from Steam
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.30 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Does it work? Alas, I have the Steam version so I have to wait for Steam to release the patch.
Hmm
Update News - X3: Terran Conflict
Latest Update: December 31, 1969
^from Steam
yea i got that too ... lemme check the thread again to see if its done for steam guys.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 22:31:00 -
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I've managed to bodge an extra 2GB of extra RAM onto my system by using some old dimms I had lying around and tinkering with clocks and voltages. It seems to have given an appreciable performance increase. About 25fps when looking at a huge station and SETA going. Approaches 60 fps when SETA is off.
Still, I have only explored about a quarter of the map so I sill want this patch.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.30 22:37:00 -
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looks like no love for steam folks yet. 
Originally by: Akita T
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 22:41:00 -
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Well that's not really Egosoft's fault to be fair. They've given the patch to Valve, now they just have to get round to applying it.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.30 22:46:00 -
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yea... I wonder, why arent companies like ego given some set of 'steam dev tools' that allows them to upload their own patches to their own game? does valve really need to validate each patch given to them from the dev's to make sure its legit?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
yea... I wonder, why arent companies like ego given some set of 'steam dev tools' that allows them to upload their own patches to their own game? does valve really need to validate each patch given to them from the dev's to make sure its legit?
They probably just want to protect their intellectual property which includes the patching system. If the patch isn't live within a day, I'll be more upset, but it's no big deal yet.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.30 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Lance Fighter
yea... I wonder, why arent companies like ego given some set of 'steam dev tools' that allows them to upload their own patches to their own game? does valve really need to validate each patch given to them from the dev's to make sure its legit?
They probably just want to protect their intellectual property which includes the patching system. If the patch isn't live within a day, I'll be more upset, but it's no big deal yet.
meh I dont see how giving the dev's of another company a small tool to let them upload updates for their own game is giving away intellectual property or anything, but whatever...
I more wish I could register my x3tc on the ego website for the shiny new icon really.. >.>
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:12:00 -
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Steam patch still isn't up. Me = getting slightly miffed now.
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Sitara
Minmatar
Solar Flare Trade and Production
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Posted - 2008.11.01 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Steam patch still isn't up. Me = getting slightly miffed now.
If you download the patcher from Egosoft and point it at the X3 directory in the steam folder it seems to update just fine....
I did a backup of the game files first in case it then breaks the steam updates at a later date but I'm playing the patched game atm till steam get their asses into gear 
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.01 01:46:00 -
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yea i did something similar, im sure steam will throw up a red flag later, but who cares at this point >.>
Game is amazingly playable now, nice and smooth.
Apparently the problem is that videos and such would keep playing in the background even after they were over or something, and that is fixed now.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.01 11:48:00 -
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Okay I'll give that a try.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.01 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Yes, I'm giving up on X3TC for a while until Egosoft release a performance patch. I have explored the western part of Argon space and a few sectors leading over to Akeela's Beacon and Light of Heart. And my framerate is around 15 on average as opposed to 60-80 at the start.
Another reason to dl it and try before you buy it. Saying that, Egosoft is one of the better software houses so far and I have yet to find one of their games with anything more than annoying minor bugs.
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Thing is, I understand why performance is degrading as I explore more sectors, it's just that I'm reminded that X3R doesn't have this problem.
X3R does if you have loads of ships flying around other sectors or sattelites in a lot of sectors. It has to track everything that is within the scan range of these things in other sectors.
I hope that TC has a more realistic tracking system. Having a ship spawn rather than fly from one point to another made X3R quite annoying and made calculated trading quite impossible. I lost count of how many times I went off to get stuff for a certain station, only to find some NPC had spawned in the system close to the station and maxed out their inventory of it seconds after I jumped in through the gate.
Also, uniformity was a problem with X3R. A Silicon or Ore mine has nothing docked and a full stock for sale. A NPC Buster docks and buys the lot. When you look at a Buster, it can't carry Ore or Silicon and certainly a maxed cargo buster wouldn't even scratch the mines stock level even if it could carry the stuff.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 17:25:00 -
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My biggest disappointment with the X3 series was your inability to land and mess around on planets. Just like Eve. It seems the only programmer capable of making a game like this (David Braben) hasn't brought us a space sim for a good few years/decades now. I also don't like the use of gates. No wait.... I absolutely hate gate to gate travel and the cell-like nature of the galaxy. On the plus side, the factory interface is pretty damned easy to use and that whole setup was quite innovative at the time.
Anyway, I hate to spoil the party, but Flavien is making progress on this side of things with another game.
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armas
Gallente
Minbari Research Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.01 17:27:00 -
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Something I wish they'd work on more is the ridiculous autopilot system. Watching your ship trying to round a station or asteroid at times is painful (especially when it flies right into said asteroid or station ). Good game though despite some niggles.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.01 17:54:00 -
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I dont trust the autopilot unless its working OOS. Otherwise, grab a docking computer and manually fly/dock (once under about 5km, hit shift d and you will teleport to the dock)
If there is critical operations going on in system, then I almost immediately leave and go somewhere else; too much a risk to stay in system when stuff like that is going on.
Keep in mind when you are seta'ing, you also reduce the time the collision detection stuff has to react, and this is not good for the autopilot.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.01 18:45:00 -
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Argh that patch hasn't given me a single extra frame per second.
I think I need a new graphics card or CPU or something.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.01 18:49:00 -
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? Are you sure... jump around for a bit, I hear that sometimes helps.
As with all fixes, its never immediate. Give it some time.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.01 20:17:00 -
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Actually it does seem to be getting better now. I think the program I was using to measure my FPS was chewing up some CPU making the result lower. With that not switched on, it seems slightly smoother. of course, it doesn't help with me flying around terran sectors with their humongous stations and high resolution textures.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.01 20:23:00 -
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lol yes, i hate the terran stations for those reasons. Especially the earth sector... *shudder*
The other normal sectors are great for me, and im trying to work at capturing stuff with my shiny new Dragon. (probably should have went for something else, but meh)
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Sitara
Minmatar
Solar Flare Trade and Production
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Posted - 2008.11.01 21:47:00 -
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Have to say I'm loving this one - I played XBTF and X2 a lot and loved them - then X3R just didn't do it for me. X3TC for me has that 'something' that X2 had oodles of but was missing from X3R.
Performance is fine tbh on my system since the update 1.21. The occasional pause in a busy system is all - otherwise pretty smooth and very nice (I'm on a Core 2 Duo with 2 Gigs DDR800, a GF8800 GTX and Vista32 - so nothing exceptional)
I've been doing combat missions and making loads of cash fast - think I may have found a bugged one tho - was hired to escort 3 freighters to a station and the last one has been sitting outside the station most of an hour (seta on except for the fights) while the odd khaak spawn keeps appearing - I've killed over 100 khaak scouts this mission so far
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:05:00 -
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Excellent game, however the autopilot still seems to have the hand of satan upon it.
Go through Jump gate
Target station
Click dock
Autopillock points the ship straight up away from the station and plows you into the gate.
Other than that, and the performance issues, I'm sure I'll wind up playing it for at least a year much like X3.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:27:00 -
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The autopilot problems, in general, are old news; i dont know about before x2, but x2 and on have always had autopilot problems. At this point, the autopilot is a rather well documented problem on the egosoft boards, and nobody ever talks about it except the new people...
and im not sure weather the escorts are bugged or not; I tried one of them a while back, but I ended up losing it because P's kept spawning over and over, and one got through to the two weak freighters I was defending. Oh well :(
I do love the rather epic pirate patrols ... yaki and pirates spawn, and they apparently hate each other. This means that half of the guys spawned are too busy killing the other half, and not busy shooting you. I love this, as it leads to nice epic centaur on centaur action, with HEPT blasts and CIG's all over the place. It is so much more fun to fight like that and not like khaak or xenon >.> (also the pirates seem to hardly ever use PBE's, while the xenon do all the time)
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armas
Gallente
Minbari Research Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:40:00 -
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I can't remember if X:btf had an autopilot. I definitely remember docking manually but not whether that was because I hadn't fit an appropriate docking module. I think it's strange that people don't mention the autopilot in Xú:TC because it is beyond bad. Not game breaking though.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:43:00 -
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Argh, I have a bug. The last few missions I've done where I'm meant to transport someone to another station, I get to the destination and nothing happens. The mission just expires a few minutes later. Seems the passenger isn't boarding my ship at the pick up point.
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nakKEDK
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.01 23:42:00 -
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All the bugs you may find is features :)
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.01 23:44:00 -
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lol i never do those, i never can seem to have a fast enough ship. So I just blow stuff up for a living.
Youknow, its hard to post on the forums with the x3 splash thing in my face the entire time >.<
Side note, you guys registered on the egosoft forums?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.01 23:44:00 -
[105]
Originally by: nakKEDK
All the bugs you may find is features :)
I thought that was Eve's MO?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:23:00 -
[106]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: nakKEDK
All the bugs you may find is features :)
I thought that was Eve's MO?
xD
I think thats every dev's MO
Side note; im in the middle of pewpewing yaki in my dragon, when I hear "skill training completed" >.<
Luckily the sector doesnt use all my ram (some do for some reason), So i could do a quick login
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:51:00 -
[107]
If you hate the bad Autopilot, never under any circumstances try to have a bunch of Jaguar Raiders as bodyguards, unless you're happy with them being very expensive missiles. 
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.02 01:18:00 -
[108]
For some reason my expensive missiles always hit stations or gates, not what I want them to >.< Just an hour ago I shot a t-bolt at a paranid shipyard instead of my assassination mark
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armas
Gallente
Minbari Research Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.02 01:21:00 -
[109]
How do you dismantle a station you've placed?
reg'd on egosoft forums as armas btw.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.02 01:32:00 -
[110]
Originally by: armas
How do you dismantle a station you've placed?
reg'd on egosoft forums as armas btw.
You dont.
There was a script for x3r that did this, but the S&M guys arent done converting all hundreds of their scripts over.
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Posted - 2008.11.02 18:03:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Excellent game, however the autopilot still seems to have the hand of satan upon it.
Originally by: Lance Fighter
The autopilot problems, in general, are old news; i dont know about before x2, but x2 and on have always had autopilot problems. At this point, the autopilot is a rather well documented problem on the egosoft boards, and nobody ever talks about it except the new people...
Bolded the important part.
I also expected a somewhat better system of easing people into the game. Those of us who have been with the series for years or who have a lot of patience can really enjoy the game, less so for many, many others which hurts sales and probably significantly lessens funding for more X games.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.02 20:11:00 -
[112]
I don't know what people are whining about with this autopilot. Okay, it faffs around a lot messing around with obstacles, but it never actually crashes you. Even with SETA going, having the autopilot on is pretty much a guarantee that you won't crash into anything.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.02 21:13:00 -
[113]
How are you supposed to scan the pirate base? I've got a freight scanner, what else is needed?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.02 21:13:00 -
[114]
daelin, maybe you dont realize how easy it is to make money in x3tc. Getting into the game is as easy as it will ever be, even easier than the last games... In the plots, you are handed more ships than you can ever imagine. Not even mentioning the 500k you can get per m6 in a combat mission >.>
Reaper, you havent been playing long enough in seta 10x. The AI frequently will ram you straight into buildings, other ships, and anything in your way.
The AI also cannot manage fast fighters around stations, even without seta they will suicide themselves into stations.
While I can admit that nothing has happened yet in x3tc, that just means im lucky so far.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.02 21:14:00 -
[115]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
How are you supposed to scan the pirate base? I've got a freight scanner, what else is needed?
Get closer... like, REALLY close.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.02 21:42:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
How are you supposed to scan the pirate base? I've got a freight scanner, what else is needed?
Get closer... like, REALLY close.
If I go any closer, I'll be bumping off the sides. When scanning ships, I've only had to get within about 2km of the target.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.03 00:36:00 -
[117]
Thats kinda the point, which I assume youve found out in the 4 hours between posts lol
Get closer and dont be going too fast(one of the later missions told me this, dunno if it applies to the pirate one).
Once I was at like 300m it started the scanning process for me.
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Voltain
BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:46:00 -
[118]
Downloaded this off steam just coz this thread made me curious.
Haven't got a clue what IÆm doing, can't fix up my battered ship, AP rams me into just about any object in space and for some unknown reason I can't buy the only missiles my ship can fit....IÆll admit IÆve not looked at the PDF manual or ever played any other titles in this series. From a newcomerÆs point of view, there's not a lot to keep me interested or even try to find out how things work.
Good job I've got Far Cry 2 and Fallout 3 to play.
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Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.03 11:42:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 03/11/2008 11:49:47
Well, the Patch solved the Performance Problem for me and the game is definatly playable even in crowded Sectors of space.
So yes, the game is playable, but there are still glitches in the game and the balancing needs some fine-tuning.
Mission Payouts are far too high compared to Trade, Production and Mining (no this is not an EVE whine) and some weapons with AoE are far too powerful.
Edit:
The start is not that easy and the economy has the problem that Terran Missiles are extremely short in stock. Right now no Terran Factories can be build by players but I expect this to be either resolved with some patch or someone will mod this.
The start is difficult if you are not familiar with the X-Series but a lot easier then in previous installments of EVE. Basically it is a Sandbox-Game where the Storyline can be ignored for the most part. It starts to get interesting if you set yourself some goals, like becoming a High Tech Manufacturer, dominating the market in some areas. Build up your own Fleet of Capital Ships and so on...
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.03 12:15:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Voltain
Downloaded this off steam just coz this thread made me curious.
Haven't got a clue what IÆm doing, can't fix up my battered ship, AP rams me into just about any object in space and for some unknown reason I can't buy the only missiles my ship can fit....IÆll admit IÆve not looked at the PDF manual or ever played any other titles in this series. From a newcomerÆs point of view, there's not a lot to keep me interested or even try to find out how things work.
Good job I've got Far Cry 2 and Fallout 3 to play.
To repair damage to your ship, eject and use your repair beam. It's slow but it gets the job done. To buy weapons, you need to raise your standing with the local race. If that's not the problem, it may well be that the station you're buying them from is simply out of stock.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.03 22:04:00 -
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Frankly put, the x series has a steeper learning curve than eve. Documentation in the earlier games was non-existant (x3r had nearly the same exact manual out of the box that x2 did... and it was still crap back then). x3tc is very unforgiving if you have no clue what you are doing. However, for docking, I suggest manual flying. Not only does it save time, its more fun ^^ (timing cutting your engines to match exactly when you land on that green light takes some practice though... and lining up your first capship for a proper landing at an eq dock isnt exactly easy either, granted it is rather nice seeing that first manual landing go perfectly)
With x3tc they actually added the encyclopedia (personal, advanced, encyclopedia) that has information on all ships, weapons, shields, wares, tech... anything that you have seen is in there, along with where to get it.
use these things...
Do some of the plot missions just to get an idea of what you are doing, and so you know a few more sectors. Once you did that, feel free to advance on your own, finding stuff, etc.
The beginning phase of the game is the best part; working up from nothing to your first real ship... its better than eve in some ways 
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:37:00 -
[122]
Noob question:
I spend a awful lot of time patching holes in my M4 fighter (Elite), because it's fitted with only 2 5MW shields. I know I can buy 2 25MW shield in terran stations, but they require a rank I'm not going to have before a while.
Is there anywhere else I can buy those shields sooner that that?
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.05 07:40:00 -
[123]
The Split also sell 25MW Shields in their Stations. Also I believe there are some Production Plants in the Territories of other Races. But with all Races it is basically the same game mechanic, without enough standing, they will not sell you the equipment.
Also, if you are flying a M4, it will not be able to fit 25MW Shields. This Class is restricted to 5MW Shields.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.05 09:28:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Shadowsword on 05/11/2008 09:28:09
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
How are you supposed to scan the pirate base? I've got a freight scanner, what else is needed?
Get closer... like, REALLY close.
If I go any closer, I'll be bumping off the sides. When scanning ships, I've only had to get within about 2km of the target.
You have to get within 500m for the scanning to start. You can't do it from the side where there's docking ports, you need to come from "above" or "under" the station and head for the center of it.
It says in the Elite stats you can fit 25MJ shields. I like it's basic weapons a lot (particle accelerators, if I remember correctly). They're energy hogs, requiring you to hold your fire until you really have good chances to hit, but God do they hurt. You can kill a M5 with just 2 seconds of fire if you hit it.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.05 09:54:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Shadowsword
Edited by: Shadowsword on 05/11/2008 09:28:09
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
How are you supposed to scan the pirate base? I've got a freight scanner, what else is needed?
Get closer... like, REALLY close.
If I go any closer, I'll be bumping off the sides. When scanning ships, I've only had to get within about 2km of the target.
You have to get within 500m for the scanning to start. You can't do it from the side where there's docking ports, you need to come from "above" or "under" the station and head for the center of it.
It says in the Elite stats you can fit 25MJ shields. I like it's basic weapons a lot (particle accelerators, if I remember correctly). They're energy hogs, requiring you to hold your fire until you really have good chances to hit, but God do they hurt. You can kill a M5 with just 2 seconds of fire if you hit it.
It helps that M5s have hulls and shields made out of paper.
I'm currently doing the Terran storyline in a Buster Sentinel I found in Akeela's Beacon. It has 2 guns equipped which seem to be quite similar to the electro cannon things the Terrans have. The ship is painfully slow (144m/s), but it has 4 shield slots which is nice. And as long as I strafe, nothing ever hits me anyway.
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Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 11:40:00 -
[126]
I sold all my Elites. Painfully slow.
If it's slow, it better have damn good shields! I'm still waiting to get the HQ so I can reserve-engineer the Falcon Sentinel. M3 fighters with a rear turret and 400,000MJ shields...
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.05 12:13:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I sold all my Elites. Painfully slow.
If it's slow, it better have damn good shields! I'm still waiting to get the HQ so I can reserve-engineer the Falcon Sentinel. M3 fighters with a rear turret and 400,000MJ shields...
The falcon sentinel can fit 2x125MJ shields can't it? At least, it could in X3R. Is it still in the same place (Unknown sector close to Getsu Fune)?
I'm a bit annoyed because the abandoned Nova in Unknown close to Maelstrom doesn't seem to be there.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:11:00 -
[128]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I sold all my Elites. Painfully slow.
If it's slow, it better have damn good shields! I'm still waiting to get the HQ so I can reserve-engineer the Falcon Sentinel. M3 fighters with a rear turret and 400,000MJ shields...
The falcon sentinel can fit 2x125MJ shields can't it? At least, it could in X3R. Is it still in the same place (Unknown sector close to Getsu Fune)?
I'm a bit annoyed because the abandoned Nova in Unknown close to Maelstrom doesn't seem to be there.
Yes it's in the same place. 125mj shields don't exist anymore though, it goes:
1, 5, 25, 200, 1000, 2000
and the Falcon Sentinel can support 2x 200.
(though if you don't have the HQ you can just buy Falcon Haulers instead, which still have 1x 200mj shield, go 130ms or so and have a pretty big cargo)
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.06 19:07:00 -
[129]
How do you get the HQ btw? In X3R, it was by doing Bala Gi missions, but I assume it's different now?
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Logi3
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.07 12:13:00 -
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Hey all,
Been playing it for a week now, and im finally able to fight and not die!
Took me a few days to realise that you need to strafe and dodge fire ;)
Im playing the Assassin with the Mamba. I have upgraded the ship with faster turn/engine etc but i have the stock shields and weapons.
Im not sure what weapons fit, how do i work out what fits? Can i upgrade the shields? I bought bigger shields but they just went into my cargo and not installed in the ship!
Also not sure what ship to upgrade to next
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Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.07 13:14:00 -
[131]
Edited by: FlameGlow on 07/11/2008 13:14:16
Originally by: Logi3
Hey all,
Been playing it for a week now, and im finally able to fight and not die!
Took me a few days to realise that you need to strafe and dodge fire ;)
Im playing the Assassin with the Mamba. I have upgraded the ship with faster turn/engine etc but i have the stock shields and weapons.
Im not sure what weapons fit, how do i work out what fits? Can i upgrade the shields? I bought bigger shields but they just went into my cargo and not installed in the ship!
Also not sure what ship to upgrade to next
Check your ship info - it will say what weapons you can fit(you can check info of ships in shipyard by pressing i when their line is selected)
Also you can check weapon info and it will list all the ships it can be mounted on.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.07 17:29:00 -
[132]
Those Energy Chaingun things work well on the Mamba, you could have a look at those? Maybe mix some HEPTs with them ?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.07 20:07:00 -
[133]
Oh my God. M8s are SOOO easy to capture. I've fought three of them today, they all bailed. Easy 9 million. They don't have forward guns so all you have to do is strafe so that you're always in front of them.
I managed to confuse the mission NPC that was following me around. I used my transporter to move into a different ship, then sent my old ship far away using its jumpdrive. The mission AI went off in search of it even though it's no longer occupied.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.07 22:08:00 -
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Dunno about m8s, they seem to fail miserably for me, and die all the time.
I want to buy myself a tl, flail fabs, and use a m7m :D Those things look amazing, but unfortunately i dont seem to have the cash atm :(
However, I do have a cerberus. It seems to turn REALLY fast, even though its supposed to be slow. I can track m3s with the main guns if i try hard enough >.>
Youknow, i might try those m8s someday. Their damage potential seems rather much... do they use any missiles other than their hammers or whatever?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.07 22:45:00 -
[135]
Yeah, I don't really see the point of M8s other than to capture and sell. Used my money from the first three to get myself an Argon Eclipse. I am dismayed to find out that the Eclipse is 26m/s slower than it was in X3R.
Is the Cerberus an M6? I got a bit annoyed with M6s in X3R because they died too easily unless they had heavy escort. Are they better now?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.07 22:56:00 -
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cerb is an m7, actually. Turrets seem to fail miserably though; flaks cant hit jack..
m6's are largly the same; they have better shields, but that is only due to the change from 125mj to 200mj shielding.
Dragon is still my favorite :D
CIG's are now the basic m6 weapon, which is reasonably effective.
M6's in general are not good for anything other than turrets and anti-capships. Still lack real armaments and laser generators, but they are still good.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.08 00:25:00 -
[137]
Yay, bagged another M8.
Why is it that "Very hard" and "Very easy" combat missions are exactly the same, with no variation in difficulty whatsoever?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.08 01:00:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 08/11/2008 01:00:51
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Yay, bagged another M8.
Why is it that "Very hard" and "Very easy" combat missions are exactly the same, with no variation in difficulty whatsoever?
Only on station defence missions...
Don't get too used to it, espec. when it asks you to patrol some sector before throwing over 200 Xenon at you (and only you )
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.08 01:20:00 -
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I, without thinking, saw a sector patrol mission labeled pretty damn impossible and, again, without thought, decided it would be a good idea to try it in my cerb.
I see the xenon spawning, and I was like "oh ok, a bunch of P's. I can do this".
After the first round of P's, i see a K appear.
Then another.
Then a few more.
Then another half dozen.
Then everything stopped moving, and turrets broke :(
I started clearing out the Ks by the south gate, working on them one by one with my 6 CIG's... slow, slow work, but it gets done. Eventually I work through two or three of them, when they come alive... oh ****, i think, but I manage to stay alive and clear the area.
I kill off everything I can see, and get the incoming message; 70m in hard cash for my work. (800k per P, 5m ish per K).
I fire up my lazcorp scanner (it drops adv sats around you to increase scanner range).
And I see ANOTHER half dozen K's, and a compliment of P's and L's and company sitting at the east gate. .
At that point, I just left >.<
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.08 11:25:00 -
[140]
I tried playing X2 and X3 but I found it very fustrating looking for the gates. Maybe I missed a really easy way to find them but it kind of spoiled the game for me.
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Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.11.08 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
I tried playing X2 and X3 but I found it very fustrating looking for the gates. Maybe I missed a really easy way to find them but it kind of spoiled the game for me.
Use the map, they are normally along the coordinate axes (map is either period or comma, cannot remember).
Are there battleship class (M0) yet? What are the new classes
m5 scout
m4 light fighter
m3 heavy fighter
m2 carrier
m1 destroyer
m6 corvette
what are the new classes? (if it is already said in the thread just direct me to the page)
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.08 12:14:00 -
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There's the M7 which is like an overpowered version of an M6. There's also the M8 which is useless because it only has rear mounted guns.
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Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 08/11/2008 13:27:36
Originally by: Captator
they are normally along the coordinate axes
Ah, that would make finding the gates easier, thank you.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.08 14:09:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Poreuomai
Edited by: Poreuomai on 08/11/2008 13:27:36
Originally by: Captator
they are normally along the coordinate axes
Ah, that would make finding the gates easier, thank you.
There's a slighly cheesy way of finding gates if you have a jumpdrive and can spare 5 energy cells. Simply go to your ship's autopilot command console and tell your ship to "Jump and fly to position". Select a position close to where you think the gate ought to be, and your jumpdrive will take you right to that gate.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.08 18:09:00 -
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I wouldnt say that m8's are useless... you just need to shoot lots and lots of missiles at someone before they become effective.
at 600k damage a missile( i think), they become the smallest ship capable of putting out that much hurt. Problem is, missile defense is rather easy.
Ive been meaning to take one of those, and some fighter drones or m5's, and see how well ships defend against missiles when they are busy getting shot up by my wingmen, but i would have to build the infrastructure to support an m8 size craft first. Id need missile fabs (granted, those are easy), some time, and enough m5s...
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.08 20:38:00 -
[146]
here's a question, where do you get all these uber mission payouts everyone is talking about?
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:18:00 -
[147]
Go to commonwealth space, and look for stations that have little red target icons above them. Comm with them, and ask the guy with the target icon for a job. If it is a sector patrol mission (patrol this sector and shoot hostiles), say sure. Every time you blow something up, you get monies. Once you finish the mission (kill everything, or go 20km away from the nearest hostile), you get the payout.
Usually, its around 500k per m6 kill, and smaller amounts for m3 and such.
Killing lots of hostile ships yields high payouts...
The missions scale with your combat rank, meaning that the higher rank you have, the more stuff spawns. therefore, the higher your fight rank, the more stuff spawns, more payouts.
Its great and all, but these are too easy to find. Nobody tells you it is going to be that hard... Usually you are going to find yourself fighting against a HUGE fleet of hostile m6 and such, with tons of support.
I suggest taking these in sectors with friendly forces around, preferably a few m2s....
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:56:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Shadowsword on 08/11/2008 21:56:09
Just went from an Elite (M4) to a Nova Vanguard (M3), and the differences are amazing. Shield five times tougher, weapons regenerating much faster (and more of them), and just as fast as the M4.
Suddenly I can do missions rated hard or very hard and I end up worrying more about collisions than actual damage taken...
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:09:00 -
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lol yea, the differences between an m4 and m3 are huge... except you only really have about twice the buffer than an elite, shields regenerate better.
I liked the nova raider better because of its speed though; ill take speed over pure firepower or shields any day.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:04:00 -
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Try an M3+ like the Argon Elite. It's practically indestructible.
I'm saving up now to get my first M7. I'll work up my race reputations so I have a choice of which one when I have the money.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:09:00 -
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elite is an m4+. One of the worst ideas ever imo; an m4 craft with 50mj shields and a rear turret?
Maybe more of an m3- instead. Cost is HUGE too.
The eclipse is the m3+ for the argon; two turrets, 200mj shields... Honestly now.
Originally by: Akita T
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:12:00 -
[152]
Yeah I'm using one as my personal ship. I'm tempted to try out the Split or Boron versions and see if they're faster.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.09 01:03:00 -
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split mambas go 200m/s+... nova raider goes 190. Split dragon (m6) also goes 172...
Split craft are the fastest of their class usually (ignoring terran/atf junk). They usually also have the lowest shields and pretty good laser gens.
I like the split ships personally... faster usually is good if you dont like fighting (see:nano ships). My dragon was usually able to evade what it.
Originally by: Akita T
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.09 13:26:00 -
[154]
Cool. I think I'll head on over to Split space and start grinding up my standings.
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Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.11.09 13:53:00 -
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My Personal ship is the Mamba Raider. Goes about 266ms, has a rear turret and can fit Energy Bolt Chainguns. Only 25mj of Shields but....
I need to try the Eclipse at some point, but at 7mil a pop they're a bit too pricey (might as well put the money towards a new M6) so I just use Falcon Haulers instead. 132ms, but 200mj of Shields, a very generous cargobay, back turret and can mount EBCs, all for about 3mil fully-fit
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.09 15:37:00 -
[156]
Patrol missions are absolutely insane. I just got my arse handed to me by an average difficulty mission
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.09 15:54:00 -
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lol spend a few hours in seta, even if you dont have any stations or anything. that will lower your fight rank, meaning that patrol missions get easier :p
This whole scaling with your fight rank has gone a bit out of control I think...
Originally by: Akita T
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.09 16:12:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Lance Fighter
lol spend a few hours in seta, even if you dont have any stations or anything. that will lower your fight rank, meaning that patrol missions get easier :p
This whole scaling with your fight rank has gone a bit out of control I think...
But my fight rank is now "Master Chief". It's funny enough that I want to keep it.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.09 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Lance Fighter
lol spend a few hours in seta, even if you dont have any stations or anything. that will lower your fight rank, meaning that patrol missions get easier :p
This whole scaling with your fight rank has gone a bit out of control I think...
But my fight rank is now "Master Chief". It's funny enough that I want to keep it.
haha then dont even bother with fighting, just do some trading or build missions.
Originally by: Akita T
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.11.10 10:25:00 -
[160]
I'm a few hours into X3:TC now and think I'm over the worst of it. It took a bit longer than I expected to get the basics, configure controls and so on. I decided to follow the plot for a little in the hope it gives you a helping hand along the way as my Terran Sabre is a bit pathetic in most fights I've come across. I somehow managed through determination and stupidity, to have all three of my autosaves in Omicron Lyrae all of which with Xenon right outside the station I was at. It took me over 2 hours to leave the system
I spent a while trading flowers in Scale Plate Green to upgrade my Sabre, found an abandoned ship later (in treasure chest) and one of the plot missions has you adding three rapiers to a wing. I completed the patrol and sold off the two surviving ships and used the money to buy a hauler. I just need to work out now how to make it trade on its own. I hate this early stage in the game when all I want is the Nova, but then usually in games it's always the beginning that's the hardest. There's always a point you cross where money stops being an issue.
What's the skinny on those Mx+ ships people have mentioned? The Elite/Eclipse, etc. And why did noone tell us that there was no Julian Brennan? Also how do you all control the ship in dogfights? Joypad/stick? Any recommendations for a good one? Mine is a hassle to configure and the two analogue sticks aren't very comofrtable, don't mind investing in a new one if it's any good.
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COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.10 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 10/11/2008 12:13:52
Basically Mx+ are like a Mx would be with 25% more speed, shields and cargo. And weapons regenerating faster. And shields, too. In Eve that's like comparing a Rifter with a Jaguar, only a fast Jaguar...
Originally by: KingsGambit
Any recommendations for a good one? Mine is a hassle to configure and the two analogue sticks aren't very comofrtable, don't mind investing in a new one if it's any good.
I play with the mouse and WASD keys, I find it much more precise.
- Against much faster enemies, I follow them until they turn around toward me, then start strafing and just throw as much volume of fire as I can their way, until they're past me, rince and repeat.
- Against slower enemies, by permanently strafing I can run circles around them while keepin the nose of my ship almost completely toward them. With the fairly wide firing angle of my forward weapons, I can keep firing at them indefinitely. Sometimes I vary the strafing or change it's direction to avoid heavy turret fire. When I do that, I have to be pretty carefull of my surroundings. It wouldn't do to crash against the station I'm trying ot protect.
Second M8 captured, I now have 4.5M credits. I'm starting to fight M6s, and they hurt quite a bit. It also seems they have an explosion radius when they go pop, that can kill you if you're near it.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.10 13:26:00 -
[162]
Does anyone know where I can buy one of those fabled M7Ms which can fire boarding pods with marines inside? I want to capture a Xenon P or Q.
And yeah, don't use a joystick. Use the keyboard or you'll just get your arse handed to you in any dogfight. You really need that precision.
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COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.10 14:04:00 -
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In the Argon 418 (or 148?) sector, the one that's in a dead-end and has only one gate to a "unknow sector" (what a pain, that sector, gates 120km away from each other), you have a shipyard and equipment dock, + medium shield factory and stuff.
That shipyard allow you to buy just about any argon ship, aside from the M3+ and a some of the M3/M4 variants. I don't remember how the M7 is called exactly, but it's description make it a missile-heavy ship. You can also fit it with boarding pods.
One stupid thing I noticed about terrans: If you have a rank inferior to Mars Marshall, you can't buy the "whatchamacallit" guns most terrans ships use. You can buy a Sabre, but you can't buy any gun for it without that rank, since it can only use that one. Had I been unable to reload at a previous time, I'd have been pretty much stuck.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.10 15:03:00 -
[164]
Well I'm now flying the Split M7. And what a pain in the backside it is. Unlike the Hyperion in X3R, you can't dock with it. And just now, some numpty in a hauler rammed my M7 and then turned hostile. My guns are set to protect my ship, so they fired back at him and his escorts and now I've got the whole sector after my blood. ARGH.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.13 01:57:00 -
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About the argon m7 you are talking about; thats the argon m7m. It can pretty much only use missiles; hammer heavy torps, flail missiles, and boarding pods.
All three of those are rather hard to find in numbers, with boarding pods next to impossible.
Which is why I have a small missile production complex for m7m missiles :D
Also, I have a (large) missile complex churning out missiles for my shiny new m8... that i dont have yet. got about 30 of them at the time of writing, but with 5 fabs producing, i dont think I will have a problem :D (each fab has a 20 min cycle, producing 3 at the end. 5 fabs = 15, 3x an hour is 45... 45 missiles an hour works for me) The missile production is staggared so its 3 every 4 minutes too xD
Now... for the split one, or a different one...
Originally by: Akita T
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.13 09:58:00 -
[166]
I know where to change turret behaviour on ships I own, but not on my own ship. How do I do that?
Now flying an Eclipse, 200k shield and very good energy recharge is nice, tought I still get my ass handed to me in any patrol mission. Damn corvette + 3-4 M3 + 4-6 M5 spawns... I'm exploring new sectors and searching for station defense missions to get money, and wondering if I should invest in a corvette for some serious ass-whooping...
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Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.11.13 10:08:00 -
[167]
For above poster, I think if you hit SHIFT+C you bring up the window for your current ship to change it's behaviour.
I'm in a bit of a bind now though following the Terran Defender plotline. I've since posting a couple of days ago, moved into the M3 class and have some mercury haulers and two mines working away with 2mill credits left over. But following the plot, I'm supposed to take 200 units of teldinium to an Argon military sector. I get there, some guy says okay you're clear to proceed, another says "you're entering restricted space" and shortly after opens fire on me :| So i reload, wait outside gate and autopilot my M3 to me. Change ships (transporter device is still a favourite!), autopilot my freighter with the stock to the station then make a run for it shortly after and dock there myself. (autosave 1)
I get a pop up saying wait for xyz to dock, so I undock to check radar and turn SETA on to speed it up a bit.....incoming fire, redock (autosave 2) and wait in real time for whatshername to dock. She panics and leaps out of the station suggesting I pick her up, so I undock try to find her on radar, come under fire and stupidly dock again (autosave 3). So now I have a french terran bint in a space suit floating outside the only safe haven in a military sector where everyone is waiting for me to undock, no save to revert to and no idea what to do It's bugs like this that annoyed me in Reunion. Argh!
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Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:54:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Lance Fighter
About the argon m7 you are talking about; thats the argon m7m. It can pretty much only use missiles; hammer heavy torps, flail missiles, and boarding pods.
All three of those are rather hard to find in numbers, with boarding pods next to impossible.
Which is why I have a small missile production complex for m7m missiles :D
Also, I have a (large) missile complex churning out missiles for my shiny new m8... that i dont have yet. got about 30 of them at the time of writing, but with 5 fabs producing, i dont think I will have a problem :D (each fab has a 20 min cycle, producing 3 at the end. 5 fabs = 15, 3x an hour is 45... 45 missiles an hour works for me) The missile production is staggared so its 3 every 4 minutes too xD
Now... for the split one, or a different one...
But where do you actually get that M7M from? I don' care if it's Argon or not, I just want to go around capturing capital ships!
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.13 14:55:00 -
[169]
If you look in your encyclopedia (great tool, that), you get a list of places you already visited where you can buy it, provided that you saw a M7M in space.
If that's not the case, you can at least buy one in argon area 148 (a name like that), near the sectors in terran space.
But it seems to me there's a bunch of M7M in practically all the shipyards I visit...
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.13 15:39:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Shadowsword
If you look in your encyclopedia (great tool, that), you get a list of places you already visited where you can buy it, provided that you saw a M7M in space.
If that's not the case, you can at least buy one in argon area 148 (a name like that), near the sectors in terran space.
But it seems to me there's a bunch of M7M in practically all the shipyards I visit...
You must have explored some pretty strange places then, because I haven't seen a single one. Plenty of M7, but no M7M. And I can't get into Argon Sector 148 because it's bugged. They always shoot me when I go in even though I'm supposed to deliver 200 teladianium.
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COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.13 16:30:00 -
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or maybe I'm just my usual noob self and confusing M7 and M7M. But it seems to me the argon M7 is able to use boarding pods...
/me want some of the ATF ships, they're all beautiful, and have uber stats..
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.13 16:54:00 -
[172]
Never mind, I found them. Turns out there are 3 different M7 ships for each race, and the so-called M7M is one of those. I think I might replace my Tiger for the carrier variant. The only difference I can see is that all the weapons are turret controlled and it can hold 36 fighters. Yummy. Thing is, I still haven't managed to kit out my current M7 properly yet. All the stations that sell 1GJ shields: out of stock. All the stations with guns I want: out of stock. Bah.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 16:58:00 -
[173]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Never mind, I found them. Turns out there are 3 different M7 ships for each race, and the so-called M7M is one of those. I think I might replace my Tiger for the carrier variant. The only difference I can see is that all the weapons are turret controlled and it can hold 36 fighters. Yummy. Thing is, I still haven't managed to kit out my current M7 properly yet. All the stations that sell 1GJ shields: out of stock. All the stations with guns I want: out of stock. Bah.
Mhm. I just use the 'Resupply Ships' thing and leave SETA on, 5 minutes later my ship usually has everything it needs...
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.14 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lance Fighter on 14/11/2008 06:07:58
I never could understand the supply and resupply commands.
So I gave up.
On the bright side, I now have a wing of 5 mamba raiders homebased to my cerberus... Im gonna laugh when they die to the first pirate m3 with flamethrowers, but hey, they look cool flying with me in formation xD
Soon, however, I will buy an m8... then I really will need those guys to watch my back.
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to reaper: I think only the split have 3 distinct m7's: the combat, the missile, and the carrier.
The boron only seem to have a missile and combat from what I can tell, and I can find no m7 that matches the split m7c.
Originally by: Akita T
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 12:03:00 -
[175]
I don't like Mamba Raiders too much in the hands of AI. They have basically no shielding so die really easily. Their speed is nice but often they just end up ramming stuff because of it... |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:45:00 -
[176]
believe it or not;
The first thing that happened after i purchased and outfitted the load of them: I give them a "protect me" order. This will make them dock at me if there are no targets...
Mamba III promptly rams into me.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:30:00 -
[177]
Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 14/11/2008 22:31:34
Yeah I don't really trust my ships to fight unless I'm personally flying them. What I do a the moment is fly around in my M7 and have a Split M4 follow me around. Whenever I have to fight small annoying stuff, I use transporter device to switch to the M4 and go pew pew. The M7 can handle anything of size M3 or bigger.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.15 18:59:00 -
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im thinking of doing something similar, but with an m8... once i finish stockpiling missiles, im gonna take one of those and have some fun against like the 'nids or something :D |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.15 20:13:00 -
[179]
By the way, how do you send marines over to board another ship? I've got 20 reasonably well trained marines sitting in my M7, but I haven't the foggiest idea how I'm supposed to deploy them. I don't care about boarding pods, I heard you can do it without them although it's harder.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.16 03:00:00 -
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uhh....
Buy a m6 :(
m7's cant be used for boarding unless you use boarding pods.
Originally by: Akita T
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Ombey
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.17 09:01:00 -
[181]
Bought this game on Friday, and have been working my way through the Terran Missions. After getting my arse handed to me a lot (what, F1-F8 doesn't fire gunz?!), have figured out stuff. Still skint though, upgrading my ship.
Managed to capture a Xenon L, the pilot bailed for some reason (20% hull probably ), and I've told it to potter it's way (at 57m/s) to a shipyard where hopefully I can sell it for omgcredits. Fed up being broke, but I don't want to cheat.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.17 10:13:00 -
[182]
Edited by: Shadowsword on 17/11/2008 10:14:10
When you get a ship with turrets, you can configure them for missile defense (shift-C to open the config panel, I think).
The only other way is to spot the missile in time and fire at it with your main guns.
Thought the mosquito description says it's an anti-missile missile. Never tried those.
About your Xenon L: don't sell it before repairing it, or you'll lose lots of money. Stop it near your ship (less than 200m away, if possible), eject, and repair it with your red laser. It's going to take some time (nearly an hour to repair a bomber), but the money you gain when you sell it is worth it. A fully repaired M8 sell for 3M. A M3 like the Xenon L should go for something like 600-700k.
BTW, escort your xenon on it's way to the nearest shipyard. Without any shield or IA to make it evade fire, it's an easy target for any hostile it might stumble upon. |
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Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.17 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Edited by: Shadowsword on 17/11/2008 10:14:10
When you get a ship with turrets, you can configure them for missile defense (shift-C to open the config panel, I think).
The only other way is to spot the missile in time and fire at it with your main guns.
Thought the mosquito description says it's an anti-missile missile. Never tried those.
About your Xenon L: don't sell it before repairing it, or you'll lose lots of money. Stop it near your ship (less than 200m away, if possible), eject, and repair it with your red laser. It's going to take some time (nearly an hour to repair a bomber), but the money you gain when you sell it is worth it. A fully repaired M8 sell for 3M. A M3 like the Xenon L should go for something like 600-700k.
BTW, escort your xenon on it's way to the nearest shipyard. Without any shield or IA to make it evade fire, it's an easy target for any hostile it might stumble upon.
Ah great, nice tips thanks. I need my turrets to pewpew with, I only got 2 of the starting turrets, so as soon as I can buy more I'll config them for missile defence.
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Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.17 13:50:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Ombey
Ah great, nice tips thanks. I need my turrets to pewpew with, I only got 2 of the starting turrets, so as soon as I can buy more I'll config them for missile defence.
Don't confuse turrets with the guns you start with on most ships. Those are your frontal guns, which can only be controlled by the pilot. To know if your ship has turrets, make a show info on your ship. You can also control a turret manually by switching the F1 view, if your ship possess one or more, but it's useless, as you're needed in the driver seat when fighting.
couple of additional tips:
- Don't use missiles at first, they cost a lot, and you'll probably have less abandonned ships to reclaim with their high alpha.
- The first and foremost thing you should look at when trying to get a more potent ship is it's shield amount. Moving speed and energy regeneration speed should be the second and third most important stats.
- When fighting, always, always keep strafing. As you get more powerfull enemies as your fighting rank increase, you should learn to change every few seconds which way you're strafing, too, because the NPCs will start doing some trajectory prediction. strafing always the same way will get you hit as much as not strafing at all.
- Big alpha strike is important. strap on as many guns as you can, all in a single group, even if your energy can't support more than a few seconds of firing. Your fighting doctrine should be to open up only when you're reasonnably sure to hit, and to hit hard then. No firing out at 2km against something that doesn't fly straight, your projectiles will take something like 3 seconds covering that range, and the target will have changed direction, making your chances to hit remote, at best. You're encouraged to do just that against targets flying straight, however.
- In order not to screw up your own motion prediction computer, don't use mixed guns with widely different projectile velocities.
- Station defense missions are far eaiser than patrol ones, because enemies will ignore you until you damage them. This allow you to pick them off one by one. In patrols you will quickly by swarmed and deaded. :p |
Ombey
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.17 21:16:00 -
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Great tips, thanks. Repped and sold the Xenon L for 450k so am a happy bunny!
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.17 21:20:00 -
[186]
I could have had a xenon P the other day. The pilot bailed (I was unaware that M6 pilots could bail, but there you go), but I had already put too much firepower in its direction and it popped
I really need to try and use marines for boarding. Those Xenon K have a blind spot directly above them, so I should be able to get marines in that way.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 15:03:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Shadowsword
- Don't use missiles at first, they cost a lot, and you'll probably have less abandonned ships to reclaim with their high alpha.
It depends really.
If you're flying about in an M5 (to explore the universe) then keeping some missiles (Dragonflies usually) helps massively on those station defence missions. Let me tell you trying to take down Pirate Falcons and Bombers takes a long long time with just IREs. |
Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.26 10:20:00 -
[188]
I now have a nice little squadron of one nova vanguard and 5 Eclipse, and my next objective is to get a pair of corvettes. However, any patrol mission I accept end up with a swift death, because I always get 10+ corvettes and something like 60-80 fighters wrecking havoc in the sector.
Is there any way to decrease that? Or am I sentenced to station defense missions until I get a whole fleet of warships?
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BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.26 10:43:00 -
[189]
I got back into this game, captured myself a nice little M8 (a Peregrine) and i'm able to take down corvettes with a single heavy missle. With my M5 swarm ramming into everything, but sometimes killing the smaller ships i'm making some nice cash in the combat missions.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.26 11:31:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Voltain
I got back into this game, captured myself a nice little M8 (a Peregrine) and i'm able to take down corvettes with a single heavy missle. With my M5 swarm ramming into everything, but sometimes killing the smaller ships i'm making some nice cash in the combat missions.
But M8 is quite possibly the most useless ship class in the entire game. The only reason I have any is because they bail really easily and I haven't gotten around to selling them yet.
Get yourself an M7. Or even better, an M6 vidar. Can turn about twice as fast as any other M6 and has 1GJ of shielding.
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BEER Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.26 11:49:00 -
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DonÆt disrespect my M8 else IÆll meet you in space and learn you some!
Oh, waità..no I won't
But youÆre right, itÆs slow and has crappy shielding but I can stand off bigger stuff and spam missiles and it was free!
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.26 11:54:00 -
[192]
I wish it WAS multiplayer to be honest. Then I could pimp around in my fleet of M7s and M6s with my flagship M2 Boreas.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.26 13:32:00 -
[193]
Who needs a Boreas. A Terran Osaka is all I need. Their Point-Singularity Projectiles are maybe slow and take a long time to reach their target. but they hit, the target learns the meaning of Alpha-Strike.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.26 14:14:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Who needs a Boreas. A Terran Osaka is all I need. Their Point-Singularity Projectiles are maybe slow and take a long time to reach their target. but they hit, the target learns the meaning of Alpha-Strike.
Guns which can only be found in Terran space, and can only be bought one or two at a time from stations which usually don't have any in stock. And forget about producing them yourself, because you can't buy Terran factories. So yeah, good luck with that.
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Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.26 14:48:00 -
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With a little trick I was able to duplicate the Point Singularity Projectors.
Sell 2 Singularity Projectors at a Sector with a Shipyard (i.E. Mars) and then purchase 10 Haulers. When it comes to the Fitting Screen, select that you want each Hauler with 2 of the Singularity Projectors.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.26 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
With a little trick I was able to duplicate the Point Singularity Projectors.
Sell 2 Singularity Projectors at a Sector with a Shipyard (i.E. Mars) and then purchase 10 Haulers. When it comes to the Fitting Screen, select that you want each Hauler with 2 of the Singularity Projectors.
lol I did that to get myself 30 energy bolt chainguns >.> costs a small fortune to do stuff like that, but its worth it if you are too lazy to find factories or build your own.
Originally by: Akita T
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.26 16:52:00 -
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What's the fastest, cheapest way to fit out a big, slow ship? It seems most shield/weapon production stations are always empty, and I'd hate to have to spend 5-10 hours even with SETA on wandering arround...
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Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.26 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
What's the fastest, cheapest way to fit out a big, slow ship? It seems most shield/weapon production stations are always empty, and I'd hate to have to spend 5-10 hours even with SETA on wandering arround...
You have three options.
Babysit AI factories till they make some, and then do the eq dock thing with them
Build your own factories, do eq dock thing
cheat them in >.<
Originally by: Akita T
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.26 17:02:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Shadowsword
What's the fastest, cheapest way to fit out a big, slow ship? It seems most shield/weapon production stations are always empty, and I'd hate to have to spend 5-10 hours even with SETA on wandering arround...
Cheat scripts.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:43:00 -
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I bought and tried a Centaur, but I'm not convinced by it. it get out of energy awfully fast, for a firepower that isn't that good, imho. And 600k shield goes down fast when you can't dodge well, and struggle to finish off the pirate heavy-hitters due to lack of energy.
So I'm selling my 5 eclipses, wingmen kinda suck anyway, when protecting me they take something like 10 sec to react and start Doing Something, and their firing accuracy make them pretty useless against anything smaller than a corvette anyway. And they got me killed twice in collisions.
I now have 50M credits, and grinding Split rank to get a Tiger. That frigate look like a real killer, with nice energy and shield regen, and 10 guns on 5 turrets on top of 8 main guns. Ability to fit 4 Phased Array laser Cannons on the two side turrets looks pretty nice on paper, as well, for some long range, accurate fire, and signifiant hull damage.
With a flak behind, and Pulsed Beam Emitters above and under, that should make it a pretty solid fly-swatter.
Couple of noob questions:
- Some people seem to think Energy Bolt Chainguns are a must-have. Why? It has a rather good range, but only average projectile velocity, making said range relatively useless. Damage per shot is fairly low. Ok, it use almost no energy, and that's very good, but it must be a huge ammo hog, no? The kind that use a full cargo worth of space in a few minutes of fire, and then leave you defenseless until you find more?
- Pulsed beam Emitter: limited range, high energy usage, but pretty good shield damage per shot. Limited hull damage per shot, but at 1150 shots/minute, with huge projectile speed (meaning excellent accuracy) and against the limited hull HP of fighters, it must do be an uberpwning machine of doom against them. no?
- Flak, area of effect weapons, on AI-controlled turrets: They must give you a lot of unwanted aggro, in convoi/station defense missions, no?
- Advice on main guns for a corvette/frigate? I'm inclined toward ion shard railguns atm, or maybe just high-energy plasma throwers? But it might lack punch against large ships.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 29/11/2008 20:09:22
The solution for many of your problems is a script created by players, the MARS Fire Control System.
The script automatically switches targets and weapons of AI controlled turrets and it does a very good job at it. The only disadvantage is, that your game is marked as "modified" which is not really a problem.
Edit:
I am also very fond of Terran Ships. In a MMORPG I would consider them overpowered with usually the best Shields of their Class and Weapons that rarely run out of Energy. Their Antimatter-Bombs also cause a very high amount of damage against the targets hull, once the Shields are down.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.29 21:52:00 -
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Referring to terran ships: Terran ships are to x3tc as pre-nerf ravens were to missions. Easy mode basically. Other stuff can be used, but it requires actual skill.
At shadow:
Wingmen are good... sometimes. In limited circumstances really.
The Tiger looks nice, but as I have a cerb, i opted for the panther instead. Better support ship for me i guess. Phased array laser cannons ive never seen in my game, but I might cheat some in to see how good they are. Also, PBE are not so great on bigger ships; they hit often, but the range is too limited (capships have a large avoidance range)
Get MARS, and give it a ton of cool guns... its quite a sight to see MARS in action with a lot of lasers.
Your questions:
EBC:s DONT USE ENERGY. That is their selling point. Ammo is relatively small, and with damage comprable to an HEPT minus the energy use, it makes it rather powerful. I use them in my wingmen...
The PBE is a specialty weapon. Great for capping, not so great for all around use. Good at killing shields, not so great at hull. Use them in conjunction with HEPTs or EBCs to kill larger stuff in a small ship.
Flaks: They have a 30m or so area of effect range. Cool effect, but not really much area of effect. Great anti-fighters though.
Weapons on m6/7: Concussion impulse generators are your basic m6 weapon. I would prefer ion shards or EBC's because those dont toss fighters around...
for an m7, if you can get one that fits IBL's (incendiary bomb launchers) or the teladi one I think fits gauss cannons, those are good. Otherwise, fit 8x or so CIG's in the front batteries, and flaks as much as possible elsewhere.
Originally by: Akita T
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.30 19:37:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Shadowsword on 30/11/2008 19:37:33
This morning I got myself a Tiger. The thing is damn long, I sc****d the rear paint against the shipyard in seconds. Well, whatever. I get to another sector, and I barely loaded that some random freighter hit me, and get turned into small pieces drifting around. "You have lost recognition". Damn. Well, whetever, I have the ship now, I didn't want that rank anyway.
I have fitted it with temporary guns, 4 pulsed shield emitters, HEPT everywhere else, and go try a random escort mission to test the beast. Xenon fighters appear and...and... WTF! I can't hit a damn thing with my main guns (HEPT)! It seems that, since my guns are a few hundred meters forward compared to the ship's center, the ship prediction motion computer is screwed up, projectiles consitently go "under" where they should hit. As for the turrets... they rarely connect. For all intends and purposes they might as well not exist. Tought it will probably change if I get my hands on proper flak weapons.
Yes, I know about scripts, but I'd like to get to know the game more before playing with those.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.30 19:46:00 -
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I fly a Tiger and I think it's a wonderful ship once you get over the fact that you can't dock at most stations. I just use HEPTs as main guns and turrets. If something gets too close, I just turn so that they crash into me.
I've now invested in the OTAS Boreas M2. Having a bit of trouble finding stations that stock guns for it, but when it's kitted out, I'm gonna go smash up some Xenon sectors with that and my M7.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.30 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Lance Fighter on 30/11/2008 21:46:45
Im staying away from OTAS and terran crap simply because I dont like FOTM >.>
I currently have the split m7 carrier, argon cerb, and a recently purchased split m7m.
I am planning to write a missile script for it, so i can properly use the turrets, but planning for that hasnt exactly started yet >.<
Pity we cant use x3tc scripts as a programming language for my programming class
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.30 22:22:00 -
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Have you had any luck finding boarding pods for that m7m of yours? Judging by the Egosoft forums, the game seems to be bugged in that stations which CAN sell them always have zero stock.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.01 04:18:00 -
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Ive found exactly ONE so far.
I cheated in another 10 though >.<
Originally by: Akita T
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.01 10:58:00 -
[208]
I am flying Terran ships, because I started the game as a Terran and found out that I like their ships.
The problem with the boarding capsules is also known and one of the many problems of the game. Right now, the only way to obtain them without cheating is, to destroy a pirate base. Once a Base has been destroyed a new one will spawn a few sectors away in a random location and there is a chance that a new Pirate Base will have the capsules in stock.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.01 11:12:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
I am flying Terran ships, because I started the game as a Terran and found out that I like their ships.
The problem with the boarding capsules is also known and one of the many problems of the game. Right now, the only way to obtain them without cheating is, to destroy a pirate base. Once a Base has been destroyed a new one will spawn a few sectors away in a random location and there is a chance that a new Pirate Base will have the capsules in stock.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.01 12:22:00 -
[210]
I really hope the boarding pods thing gets sorted soon. I want to capture Xenon ships, and apparently the only way to do that is send 20 5-star marines over, and maybe 2 or 3 will survive.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.01 21:28:00 -
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im rather confident that boarding pods and such will be fixed eventually... however its probably a minor fix when it does come out, to be thrown in along with a bunch of major fixes.
Originally by: Akita T
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:37:00 -
[212]
I hope they'll fix the rank/difficulty scalability issue (because patrol missions against ka'ak or xenons are just a little bit overdone :p ), and time alaivable to complete kill missions.
I suppose asking for an ATF shipyard and ATF missions to do is a bit too much. :/
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.02 10:52:00 -
[213]
Well, you can do ATF missions. They're the Terran storyline missions - the more of the plot you do, the higher your ATF standing, and the more of the solar system you can fly around in. When it's over, you can go to Earth, and get blown up for straying out of the approved shipping lanes.
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Titan Pilot
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.02 11:05:00 -
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I had such high hopes for this game, sadly another purely executed X3 game....
Pros:
Graphics are beautiful
Controls are better
Ships are kinda cool
Wingman are a neat concept
Cons:
Graphics get old fast
Controls are not good enough
Wingman are stupider than Forest Gump
Grinding is worse than ratting in EVE...
That was my last X3 purchase. They either come out with X4 that blows Freelancer out of the water or they just give up entirely...
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.02 11:07:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Titan Pilot
I had such high hopes for this game, sadly another purely executed X3 game....
Pros:
Graphics are beautiful
Controls are better
Ships are kinda cool
Wingman are a neat concept
Cons:
Graphics get old fast
Controls are not good enough
Wingman are stupider than Forest Gump
Grinding is worse than ratting in EVE...
That was my last X3 purchase. They either come out with X4 that blows Freelancer out of the water or they just give up entirely...
If you're grinding in X3, you're doing it wrong.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.03 00:43:00 -
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indeed.
If you arent having fun, your doing it wrong.
Originally by: Akita T
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.04 22:26:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Lance Fighter on 04/12/2008 22:27:04
Shiny! New Patch!
1.03 released!
link
Patchnotes:
- Improved information display when buying ships
- Commands list for software has been added to Encyclopedia
- Illegal wares for races added to Encyclopedia
- "Enter Ship" (Shift+E) can make use of the ship's Transporter Device
- Guidance for a mission can be disabled permanently
- Goner plot scene 3 attacks improved
- HUB mission rebalanced
- Mission enemies rebalanced
- Patrol and defend station missions rebalanced
- Bonus credits awarded per kill in the defend station mission
- Build mission time rebalanced
- Complex Hub hull and shields increased
- Jumping ships now have a jumping action shown in their command info
- Warp tunnel effects removed for Trans-Orbital Accelerators
- Destroying lasertowers now affects reputation
- Out of sector combat improved for lasertowers and capital ships
- Freight Drones can now transfer wares to ships which are not their homebase
- Freight Drones now have 1MJ shields as built-in components
- New Freight Drone commands
- Explore command now reveals gates
- Improvements to wings
- Boarding values tweaked, ATF/Terran ships easier to board
- More experienced marines have a higher chance of surviving
- Some marines will survive if a boarding pod is destroyed
- In the Controls menu several new actions are available for hotkey mapping
- Added new script editor instructions
Fixes:
- Fixed a potential crash when building a station after a long playing time
- Fixed a potential crash when a colliding with a decoupling Kha'ak cluster
- Fixed crashes caused by errors in third-party scripts
- Several mission cleanups and optimisations
- Terran Plot, find Jumpdrive ship mission improved
- Terran Plot, Sector M148 mission fixed
- Terran Plot, scan for smugglers mission improved
- Escort mission freighters no longer abort dock and enter gate actions
- Terracorp and OTAS neutral pirates removed
- Corporation assassination mission with 'No Pilot' fixed
- Atreus Corp first mission fixed
- Blueprint missions now work on Pirate and Yaki stations
- Kha'ak plot Xenon ships now use default capture logic
- NPCs no longer repeat the player's line in ending conversations
- Fixed neutral Xenon, Kha'ak, and Pirates on gamestart
- Fixed default Friend/Foe settings for Xenon and Kha'ak
- Matter/Anti-matter mines are now illegal for several races
- Yaki Susanowa Hauler hull corrected
- Split Python hull corrected
- Advanced Eclipse hull corrected
- Terran Fenrir shield generator corrected
- The HUB no longer consumes wares when under player ownership
- Invincible astronauts cannot be collected by uninhabitable ships
- Earth Torus no longer targets the player during orbit transit
- Ship name 'Kite' added for English version
- Some job quotas rebalanced
- Sell Ware for Best Price command fixed
- Deploy Satellite Network no longer builds satellites in the same sector
- Wing command, 'collect ware' fixed
- Jumps between gateless sectors fixed
- Fixed looping music at the end of the warp tunnel scene
- Wings can no longer be mapped to monitors
- HUD and sidebar disabled during station building scenes
- Fixed autojump display
- Fixed incorrect information about certain lasers in several menus
- Readtext in encyclopedia for some wares fixed
- Fixed issues with ware transfer bar in some menus
- Fixed "Enter Ship" option when docked in a space suit
- Minor fixes and improvements
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.04 22:33:00 -
[218]
In the forum, they're hinting that they've fixed the boading pod availability issue too. I'll know as soon as Valve get round to patching the Steam version.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.04 22:41:00 -
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yep same lol
Let me know when its out, im busy playing some other games :D
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.12 03:04:00 -
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Patch is out for steam... dunno when, but today when i tried to launch it to check version, it updated.
So I figure I might as well start a new game.
So far, I can difinitively say they fixed boarding pod availability... there are two at every mil base i see.
And pirate base.
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Ecnav
Gallente
Vapor Corp.
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Posted - 2009.01.04 06:43:00 -
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Just got this game this afternoon and I am enjoying it!
My only issue I have had so far is that I picked up this 'simple' courier mission. I had to get a bunch of people over to some other station.
'Easy' I thought... Until I couldn't find the people that I was supposed to carry.
Now mind you, I'm still very new. I am running around trying to find these guys and I jsut can't! and I fail the mission
Am I just a newb who can't find his items hangar or what?
Also, I picked up some debris in space... how do I take it out of my ship?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.04 08:37:00 -
[222]
You need to fit a cargo life support system to your ship. To eject items into space, press f to open up a list of your freight, scroll down to select what you want to eject, then press return.
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