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Sergeant Bilko
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Posted - 2004.06.30 00:34:00 -
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 Give us the full story eh? Why did he/she just up and steal all that stuff? Maybe he/she is not the only one involved, quick check the others who quit right off the bat, there in on it I bet..OMG maybe the ceo knew about it and was being blackmailed..or he/she is in on it too..my god this is just like "Days of Our Lives"
anyway whats the full story..maybe it can be prevented before the person even gets in the corp.
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Skape Gote
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Posted - 2004.06.30 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Skape Gote on 30/06/2004 03:41:32
Hi there,
Firstly i best point out Im posting with my alt, no real reason for this, I just like my alts name he he.
When i first started many months ago I joined a fledgling corp and as things progressed I was ask to be a director as my CEO needed help running it as we were getting significantly larger. After a few months I decided to join a new pirate corp that was setting up (piracy was strictly forbidden in my 1st corp). The new corp asked me to clear out the corp wallet and make off with a Badger 2 full of all the corps gear and bp's. I refused and my new corp mates couldnt understand this. The truth was my old corp mates were what i would class as friends, we had worked damn hard to make the corp succesful and although I fancied a change of direction I still respected my old corp mates enough not to do the dirty.
My point is that although the material stuff can be replaced (eventually) its the genuine feeling of being let down by someone you believed to be a mate and had worked hard with to make a success of things that is the bitter pill.
There are corp thieves who rely on CEO's giving them to much access and quite frankly in these cases the CEO deserves everything they get but when you have built something up from nothing with them then its nothing short of a betrayal, which i think is an issue that the original poster will have to deal with and sort out.
Good luck Roog and name names, at least as a warning to others, as i would suspect this isnt an alt if they have been there from the start.
Edit - Bugger this isnt my alt its my main, whoops he he
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Greedyone
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Posted - 2004.06.30 03:58:00 -
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ugh..thats so low :(
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Ostaps
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Posted - 2004.06.30 08:24:00 -
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If one cannot guard his own home, he himself is to blame.
Trust no one, keep the most valuable items in the most secure places where nobody
can access them, not even your mother.
And on a sidenote:
Never join pirates who are not honorable :) For asking a new member to commit corp theft is too dirty. Individual approach and style (even if a bit reasonably unfair) is what makes a pirate cool.
Ostaps
The Intergalactic Comitee of Veldspar Preservation :)
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Roog
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Posted - 2004.06.30 09:07:00 -
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Hi,
Okay a couple of corp updates, although this is slightly moving away from what I wanted this thread to be.
As someone said the character in question was Salomorin. As far as I know this is not an alt. The reason he is trusted as well as everyone else is that we all joined eve at around the same time and have played together, either in the newbie corp or in our own corp since the beginning of this year (around 6 months). To avoid corp theft we did not ask anyone to join who we hadn't know for at least 2 months. (Notable exceptions are current members real life friends and family.)
We have contacted the thief and managed to purchase back with personal cash the tech 2 cloaking device BPC and the skillbooks. Everything else can be re-mined or purchased. We all lived for 4 months in the newbie corp before starting our own so are pretty self sufficient individually.
I find it kinda funny that he contacted GoGo as a possible person to sell stuff to. GoGo is the CEO of the only corp we are currently at war with
The biggest thing about this is the letdown, not the stuff, stuff can be replaced. Someone I classed as a friend (as I still do all the people I play with) screwed me. The world of eve feels that wee bit sadder.
Roog
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Roog
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Posted - 2004.06.30 09:19:00 -
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Hi,
Okay as we seem to have a quite a good discussion going and there seems to be an agreement (of sorts) that corp theft is part of the game and probably always should be. We also seem to agree that it sucks because normally it's friends who do it. I think we also believe that there should be more chance for retribution.
Okay here I'm talking hypothetically, this does not relate in any way to this case AFAIK.
o Alts, this is another case where alts can be used for underhanded deeds. Should the rules about corp theft be changed so that if an alt is used to carry out the theft then this is punishable (by suspension etc). Should there be better tracking of alts? Are alts a good idea at all? (I use mine solely for buy orders to make sure I've always got the money to cover it and don't accidently spend it.)
o Leavers, take a situation when someone decides for whatever reason to leave (e.g. needs to spend more time in RL, can't afford upkeep of account or just gets bored) they clean out the corp they are in either out of spite or to make the account seem more attractive for resale. If someone wished to recoup some or all of the money they have spent playing eve the resell value of the account would be greater if you could get hold of a lot more equipment and BPs or even resold these goods for straight cash. Should this be allowed? Should this be punishable?
Just to keep the discussion going
Roog
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Astinius
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Posted - 2004.06.30 10:42:00 -
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CCP has a big role in this. Corp theft should be allow to happen but this game has no legal system to keep it in check. CCP should develop tools that allow a corp to go after the thief and either punish him, get compensation or flags him as a corp thief.
The bounty system is half-assed at best.
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.06.30 11:01:00 -
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corptheft is one thing, beeing accused of it when you've never stolen anything in your whole eve life is another.
corp thiefs dont only steal from corperations but also black people like me that have had lots of corperations to a point where i wont be accepted in the majority of corperations anymore....
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herot
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Posted - 2004.06.30 12:23:00 -
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As Roog said he claims this character to be his main (Salomorin). And that he has robbed almost every corp he's been in it with.
But he also said that he used alts as well. In fact he claimed that his first corptheft was again against Corp1 with an alt named Anoroc.
(sorry for being a bit of topic Roog)
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.06.30 12:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Roog
I find it kinda funny that he contacted GoGo as a possible person to sell stuff to. GoGo is the CEO of the only corp we are currently at war with
Yeah, at first I thought it was some kind of a weird trap (you wouldn't believe the "ideas" pirates get sent sometimes). Sounded too fishy, but apparently not. Then again, I guess I was exactly the right person to talk to in this instance for fencing the loot (the war and all).
Good luck in rebuilding, nevertheless.
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2004.06.30 13:29:00 -
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The game has no way of telling when someone has stole, so the legal system in a theft is a bit lopsided towards the thief's favor.
How will CCP add a legal system for theft, this will be a very interesting concept if it gets implemented. Not only does it need to verify that the theft occurred, but also make sure it is not abused and have loopholes in it.
Current system sucks for those who have been stolen from, but that is part of the game.
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Roog
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Posted - 2004.06.30 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: GoGo Yubari
Originally by: Roog
I find it kinda funny that he contacted GoGo as a possible person to sell stuff to. GoGo is the CEO of the only corp we are currently at war with
Yeah, at first I thought it was some kind of a weird trap (you wouldn't believe the "ideas" pirates get sent sometimes). Sounded too fishy, but apparently not. Then again, I guess I was exactly the right person to talk to in this instance for fencing the loot (the war and all).
Yeah I'm still trying to work out if the player courier missions that are set up near our space right into the two systems your lot inhabit are a sneaky way of getting us to fly laden indies in. 
Originally by: GoGo Yubari
Good luck in rebuilding, nevertheless.
Thanks
Roog
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Roog
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Posted - 2004.06.30 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Deadflip2
corptheft is one thing, beeing accused of it when you've never stolen anything in your whole eve life is another.
corp thiefs dont only steal from corperations but also black people like me that have had lots of corperations to a point where i wont be accepted in the majority of corperations anymore....
I suppose this is the flip side of the coin. If someone is leaving your corp what is to stop someone in the corp clearing out what they can and blaming it on you because you had just left.
As you mentioned it also makes it difficult for people who have been in a number of corps to get recruited.
(We know he stole, he bragged in corp chat and our CEO and security officer could both see the stuff sitting in his personal hanger. Yes you can see, many attempts to take it out failed  )
Roog
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.06.30 14:16:00 -
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this has been mentioned plenty of times before but maybe a few have not heard it as a suggestion.
What we need is a "family tree" of characters so stealing with alts is not possible. That way a person carries his character history with him as dead characters as well as current characters could be identified.
Making game actions more accountable would reduce the "rewards" of corp theft. |
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