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Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.21 07:41:00 -
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Just messing around i realized its actually quite viable.
Low -
6 Reinforced Bulkhead t2 -2.5m a piece - 15m
t2 Damage control - .8m
Mids -
2 Cap Boosters t2- 1.6m total
2 ECCM t2 Magneto - 2m a piece
1 MWD t2 - 7m (replace with something else?)
Highs -
3 Remote Armor Rep t2 - 5m
3 Duel 250mm Railguns (t2 will fit, but im short on skills atm, and its not a big increase in damage) 4.5m
My only thing is that the Tri-marks wont work. And getting remote Armor repped will be un-tanked hp :(
Why use hull tank? It requires no powergrid. Something this sucker seems to be always lacking, and still pulls off an impressive 103,475 EHP.
Also the surprise factor as they get you into hull, and realize your not gona die as easy as they thought lol.
And still inline with cost, 88m total without rigs.
Without the MWD running its just about cap stable, running everything else at once. Thinking of dropping the MWD but worried about the 8.4km range on Remote Rep. Any suggestions?
Im just moving from lvl 4's in my Dominix to PvP operations, so if i got some base ideas wrong please be kind.
If this above idea isn't going to work, how does this look as a typical ehp dominix setup to accomplish the same goal (remote rep)
Low -
2 1600 RT
Explo, Therm, Kin t2 Hardeners
ENAM t2, Damage Control t2
Mids/Highs the same as above, except now there is no room for the 100mn MWD, Afterburner fits with high skills.
without trimarks its 106k ehp, not much better then the Bulkheads, but with 3 trimarks it skyrockets to 145k EHP. Without rigs its basically the same cost as hull version. Trimarks being 17m doesnt make them horrible either, but would the +40k ehp make it worth twice the investment vs cost to lose it?
Anyone who is a veteran Domi user is welcome to any advice. Keep in mind this is gang fit. I plan to be around 10-20 others when i fight. So no 1v1 pvp fits please.
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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 08:00:00 -
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Armour tanked Dommi can hit about 160k EHP and a Falcon can tank 30,000 DPS.
Stop using EFT!
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TimMc
Gallente
The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2008.10.21 08:14:00 -
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Sadly your setup is only good for the "lolwut" before you die.
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.21 08:25:00 -
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 Originally by: TimMc
Sadly your setup is only good for the "lolwut" before you die.
This.
However, it's a pretty fun feeling of "lolwut" when you encounter these, I have in the past. So if you want to give good laughs, try it out, but it's not, per-se, an effective fit.
I'd go with 3 trimarks, 3 1600 plates, damage control, eanm and then neuts, and reps in highs. 160k EHP, good support ship and killing cap for opponents is awesome.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.21 08:36:00 -
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Just something that someone posted awhile ago that I saved.
Cmdr Sy's hull-tanked Domi stats.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2008.10.21 08:49:00 -
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Simple fact is this: if you want to fit guns, fit blasters and be very gank. Otherwise don't fit guns, especially not dual rails because frankly they couldn't hit the broadside of a tempest.
The reason you hear so much about blasterthrons is because they are good as blasterships. Why do you think you hear so much about neutdomis?
Your defense against smaller faster ships is not a few dual rails, it's heavy unstable neuts and drones. Since you fly lvl 4's I'm assuming you have great tanking and drone skills. Hull tanking has some advantages, but not for the domi.
Might want to check out something like this:
2x heavy unstable neut
2x large remote armour reps
2x whatever (large smartie & drone link or summin)
1x 100mn mwd (although in remote rep groups you might consider an AB)
1x warp disruptor II (I'd bring a point)
1x webber (or medium cap booster + 800s)
1x eccm II (duh)
1x heavy electrochem injector + 800s
3x 1600 rolled tungsten (minimum for good buffer)
1x dcu II
1x energised reactive membrane II
2x EANM II
EFT gives it about 110k EHP without trimarks, 150+ with.
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me..
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Laimes Berns
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Posted - 2008.10.21 10:43:00 -
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I will respectfully disagree with the critics. The thing is, hull tanking allows you to fit all high slots with energy neuts and nos (except for one Drone Link Augmentation perhaps). Armor tanking does not. Throw in a set of Warrior II's including spares, some ECM drones, your Domi becomes rather difficult to tackle, although by all means not impossible. The advantage is that you *know* who is able to tackle you and can pick your engagements wisely. This setup can be effectively used in *some* specific situations, more in 0.0 than in lowsec, and more in small gang combat than fleet or solo. And it is not your generic all round Domi setup for sure.
Also, there is a huge problem of repairing your hull between encounters. If you have two Domi's like that, they can both fit a couple of remote hull reppers, which are a bit more effective, but you'll have to drop valuable cap sucking mods for that, and what's the point then?
Also, an MWD is of no use, you will outrun noone anyway. Fit an AB, drop cap boosters.
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royal killer
Amarr
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2008.10.21 10:53:00 -
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Real men hull tank
Unfortunately, their stupid.
Like mentioned above, just with 3 plates you can get a higher EHP, and with a little higher resistances than 60% across the board
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TimMc
Gallente
The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2008.10.21 11:18:00 -
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If you are gonna move up to triple trimarks, you may aswell go True Sansha EANM.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.21 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Armour tanked Dommi can hit about 160k EHP and a Falcon can tank 30,000 DPS.
Stop using EFT!
Why stop using EFT? If he had used EFT he would've seen that he can get 160k EHP and realized his setup isn't good.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.21 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Laimes Berns
I will respectfully disagree with the critics. The thing is, hull tanking allows you to fit all high slots with energy neuts and nos (except for one Drone Link Augmentation perhaps). Armor tanking does not.
I armor tank my domi and I have no trouble fitting all the high slots with neuts and NOS. Why in the world wouldn't you be able to?
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.10.21 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Strill
Originally by: Laimes Berns
I will respectfully disagree with the critics. The thing is, hull tanking allows you to fit all high slots with energy neuts and nos (except for one Drone Link Augmentation perhaps). Armor tanking does not.
I armor tank my domi and I have no trouble fitting all the high slots with neuts and NOS. Why in the world wouldn't you be able to?
heavy nos and neuts ? 6 of them ? and armor tank ? without rigs ?
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.21 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Strill on 21/10/2008 12:29:32
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Strill
Originally by: Laimes Berns
I will respectfully disagree with the critics. The thing is, hull tanking allows you to fit all high slots with energy neuts and nos (except for one Drone Link Augmentation perhaps). Armor tanking does not.
I armor tank my domi and I have no trouble fitting all the high slots with neuts and NOS. Why in the world wouldn't you be able to?
heavy nos and neuts ? 6 of them ? and armor tank ? without rigs ?
I use three medium neuts, two heavy neuts, and 1 heavy NOS. And yes I use no rigs. With max skills it comes out to 114,824 EHP if I focus on plates for better buffer tank, and 95,464 EHP if I focus on hardeners for use with a remote repper gang.
Is there something I'm missing here? I don't see any reason why you can't armor tank and use neuts at the same time. |
Jonna Andromedae
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Just something that someone posted awhile ago that I saved.
Cmdr Sy's hull-tanked Domi stats.
One crazy pirate once used similar Dominix, but it had 3 jammers at middle. That was sick. He was really selective when choosing targets, basically just looking for solo bs vs bs fights. And he was ex-falcon pilot - so jamming skills were good. Was fun to watch 
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Madam Squishy
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:08:00 -
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Okay thanks guys. Didnt realize My eft warriorness was superb enough to fit 3 1600 rt plates lol.
Yes i use EFT, yes i fly this stuff i EFT, right or wrong as it may be.
Not bad, 3 1600 places, 2 enam, DC, and Energized Regenerative = 153k ehp. And a faster align time, which is only at 16 seconds, not bad :) Shame im not gona be hearing WTF on TS, but its something i can live with.
As for the 250's... My primary goal is Remote Repping. Keep drones on primary target and get on KM. I figured if i locked/fired at falcons with the 250's loaded with iron, i might get a hit or two and schoo them away. Actually now that i think of it a 425mm will fit with room for a large neut, might be better at the job. But yea, i plan to stick to my teamates to Remote Rep, so blasters are out of the question.
Thanks for the advice guys, Fly Dangerous.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Sadly your setup is only good for the "lolwut" before you die.
can make for a good baitship I guess, since 3/4 of most fights these days don't happen because people won't even aggress.
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