Originally by: TimGascoigne

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Vuk Lau

1. you say that you would like it to be possible to wardec individuals in NPC corps. how much do you think is a reasonable price per week for the aggressor to pay on such a wardec?

2. do you believe ninja salvaging is stealing and should attract aggression?

3. do you consider the nanpnerf patch to be unfairly nerfing minmatar recons?

4. do u think the naglfar needs a boost?

5. do you think the Tempest battleshiphe needs a boost?

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Originally by: Vuk Lau

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4. Well one race needs to be the lousiest one :D. I still believe that Phoenix is worse dread because of delayed dammage from torpedoes (which is partialy affecting Naglfar too). If it get boosted then some other race will whine, but it is a fact that Naglfar is only dread with splitted weapons group.

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Originally by: QTab

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since you mention phoenix's I would like to hear your view on what specifficly you think should be done to rebalance them (and that aspect of the naglfar as well)
on any given POS kill phoenix's are mediocre dmg dealers and in capital on capital fights they most of the time end up dealing 0 dmg for either of two reasons, torps not reacing targets in time and the fact that torps get destroyed by smartbombs, do you think citadels should get an increase in speed and hp's wich would make them useable in cap on cap fights, should they get a flat dmg increase so they'll become truly devastating in the unlikely event they reach their targets (and become kings of POS shoots) or do you think they should be left the way they are ?

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Originally by: Vuk Lau

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Citadel torpedoes are getting boosted by increasing HP from 650HP to 1920HP which should prevent them dying from smartbombs. Also CCP is finaly introducing faction citadel torpedoes so they will get onpar with other race ammunition. Delayed damage is trait of missile launchers and there is not much to be done.

When it comes to comparing all dreadnaughts lets check their base dammage (using EFT and all lvl5 skills to simplify things)
- Moros (3 x Dual 1000mm Railgun, AM ammo) 1998 DPS, with 5 Garde II 3048 DPS
- Naglfar (2 x Citadel Torpedoes, 2 x Quad 3500mm Arties, EMP XL ammo) 2497 DPS, with 5 Garde II 2797 DPS
- Phoenix (3 x Citadel Torpedoes) 1955 DPS, with 5 Garde II 2255 DPS
- Revelation (3 x Dual Giga Pulses, Multi XL) 2823 DPS, with 5 Garde II 3123 DPS
I used long range guns with short range ammo as most common setup and no damage mods. We can see that without drones Nalgfar is not bad damage wise mostly due to having 4 weapon hardpoints, and Phoenix having weakest damage and delayed on top of that. Moros damage is almost the same as Pheonix but with drones (50% bonus to drone damage he is coming close to Revelation).
Now biggest Naglfar problem is divided weapon groups. Most common dreadnought setups atm are using 2 damage mods, except Naglfar which is in most cases using only one Gyrostabilizer II.
Lets check the numbers now:
- Moros (3 x Dual 1000mm Railgun, AM ammo, 2 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II) 2937 DPS, with 5 Garde II 3987 DPS
- Naglfar (2 x Citadel Torpedoes, 2 x Quad 3500mm Arties, EMP XL ammo, 1 x Gyrostabilizer II) 2770 DPS, with 5 Garde II 3070 DPS
- Phoenix (3 x Citadel Torpedoes, 2 x Ballistic Control System II) 2873 DPS, with 5 Garde II 3173 DPS
- Revelation (3 x Dual Giga Pulses, 2 x Multi XL, 2 x Heat Sink II) 4150 DPS, with 5 Garde II 4450 DPS
Revelation is clearly the best damage dealer plus it has no problems with reloading ammo, Moros is following him and Naglfar has even lower damage then Phoenix but has two guns inflicting instant damage and 2 launchers with delayed.

Conclusion: With boosting citadel torpedoes by increasing their HP and introducing faction version of them, Phoenix and Naglfar are getting a slightly boost but they are still behind Moros and especialy Revelation which is far the best Dreadnought atm. As Naglfar and Moros pilot I am not completely happy with current situation, but as I said nonbalanced races are on of the EVE best perks. Sometimes your race rocks, and sometimes sucks, you just need to learn to live with it....or simple - crosstrain :D

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Originally by: QTab

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the actual question I wanted answered is in wich way (if any) YOU thought Citadels should be changed (do you think the currnetly planned boost is the right way to go or would you like to see it happen in some other way)

sry for burying it in additional text

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Originally by: Vuk Lau

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Big thanx to everyone who voted for me.

Next step - free GTCs and rattlesnakes for everyone.

Btw CCP can i share room with Darius and Tusko, pls pls pls?

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