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Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.22 00:47:00 - [1] So they have nerfed the locus range rigs for amarr on sisi. Sure fine, but when are they going to fix retribution. Once patch goes live the new AFs will be viable and amarr will be the only race that only has one viable solo AF while all other races will have two. CCP, either remove the utility high to a mid or give it 5 turret hardpoints. Retribution has no where near the dps (compare to gallente AFs) to justify a SINGLE mid slot. It is flawed by design and you have to admit it and change it. If you can fix minor broken stuff like locus rigs then fix this aswell while youre at it because you seem to be fixing/adjusting more then just speed related stuff in this patch. /sign here if you support the retribution fix. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.22 00:50:00 - [2] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So they have nerfed the locus range rigs for amarr on sisi. Sure fine, but when are they going to fix retribution. Once patch goes live the new AFs will be viable and amarr will be the only race that only has one viable solo AF while all other races will have two. CCP, either remove the utility high to a mid or give it 5 turret hardpoints. Retribution has no where near the dps (compare to gallente AFs) to justify a SINGLE mid slot. It is flawed by design and you have to admit it and change it. If you can fix minor broken stuff like locus rigs then fix this aswell while youre at it because you seem to be fixing/adjusting more then just speed related stuff in this patch. /sign here if you support the retribution fix. WTF? What's the nerf?
LadyLubU2 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.22 00:55:00 - [3] And nerf ac's, arty, minmatar (battle)ships, blasters, drone and damps. Oh yeah and boost falcons. -- Sig: NARF FALCONS!!! Please resixe image to the maxiumum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
bldyannoyed Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.10.22 00:58:00 - [4] Edited by: bldyannoyed on 22/10/2008 01:02:15 Don't tell me. They've put the correct stacking penalty back on locus rigs? Am i right? So they havent actually nerfed Amarr, theyve just removed a **ing stupid mechanic that allowed cruisers to hit 60km optimals with close range guns. And also **ed the Rokh over royally too if thats the case. So whats the nerf Lyria? Is it actually an amarr nerf or have they changed ALL Locus rigs?
Fifi LeFume Infestation. R.U.R.	Posted - 2008.10.22 00:58:00 - [5] Edited by: Fifi LeFume on 22/10/2008 01:01:08 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So they have nerfed the locus range rigs for amarr on sisi. Sure fine, but when are they going to fix retribution. Once patch goes live the new AFs will be viable and amarr will be the only race that only has one viable solo AF while all other races will have two. CCP, either remove the utility high to a mid or give it 5 turret hardpoints. Retribution has no where near the dps (compare to gallente AFs) to justify a SINGLE mid slot. It is flawed by design and you have to admit it and change it. If you can fix minor broken stuff like locus rigs then fix this aswell while youre at it because you seem to be fixing/adjusting more then just speed related stuff in this patch. /sign here if you support the retribution fix. WTF? What's the nerf? Its not so much a nerf as it wasnt boosted as much as the other af's. As it is, the retirbution is pretty sucky. After the patch it will be better than it is now, but still pretty suck relative to the other boosted AF's. Edit: i guess you were talking about the locus rigs, in that case ignore the above. And i agree with lyria. Everybody saying the retribution is built for dps is smoking synth-x weed. The ishkur pwns the crap out of retribution in terms of dps, utility, versatily, and soloness. I would prefer chopping off a useless high and adding a mid as opposed to 5 turrets. i mean cmon....ONE MID SLOT!!!?!?!??!
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So they have nerfed the locus range rigs for amarr on sisi. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!! my overpowered 150km zealot backbone :-(
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:04:00 - [7] Guess I should quit and take my 9000 accounts with me (or just train caldari lol)
LadyLubU2 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Fifi LeFume Edited by: Fifi LeFume on 22/10/2008 01:01:08 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So they have nerfed the locus range rigs for amarr on sisi. Sure fine, but when are they going to fix retribution. Once patch goes live the new AFs will be viable and amarr will be the only race that only has one viable solo AF while all other races will have two. CCP, either remove the utility high to a mid or give it 5 turret hardpoints. Retribution has no where near the dps (compare to gallente AFs) to justify a SINGLE mid slot. It is flawed by design and you have to admit it and change it. If you can fix minor broken stuff like locus rigs then fix this aswell while youre at it because you seem to be fixing/adjusting more then just speed related stuff in this patch. /sign here if you support the retribution fix. WTF? What's the nerf? Its not so much a nerf as it wasnt boosted as much as the other af's. As it is, the retirbution is pretty sucky. After the patch it will be better than it is now, but still pretty suck relative to the other boosted AF's. Edit: i guess you were talking about the locus rigs, in that case ignore the above. And i agree with lyria. Everybody saying the retribution is built for dps is smoking synth-x weed. The ishkur pwns the crap out of retribution in terms of dps, utility, versatily, and soloness. And the zealot pwns the crap out of a ishtar! To the forums! -- Sig: NARF FALCONS!!! Please resixe image to the maxiumum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Lili Lu Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So they have nerfed the locus range rigs for amarr on sisi. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!! my overpowered 150km zealot backbone :-( Hey hey, only Caldari should have long-ranged weaponry!! Especially since we'll all be slower. I sense an apoc nerf incoming. Anyone checked that lately.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:06:00 - [10] Eh, /sign for Retri fix. Also, boo hoo about your locus rigs. About time they fixed your absurdly broken rig. Also, they should consider lowering the optimal bonus on the Apoc a little bit - the Apoc's optimal bonus is significantly more powerful than the Rokh's because it affects both long and short range weapons to the Rokh's only long range (blasters are more or less falloff based and thus optimal doesn't help as much). -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR Liang - Destro/Azazel@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:09:00 - [11] who the **** cares about a stupid assault ship, my zealot is ruined RUINED FOREVER :*(
bldyannoyed Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:09:00 - [12] Is it specifically Laser Locus Rigs that have been nerfed? If it is the YAY, even tho I fly the HAX that is the dual Locus Pulse snipe bastards death Zealot. If theyve all been nerfed then boo, Rokh goes back to being ****.
Lili Lu Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Lili Lu on 22/10/2008 01:15:54 Originally by: Liang Nuren Eh, /sign for Retri fix. Also, boo hoo about your locus rigs. About time they fixed your absurdly broken rig. Also, they should consider lowering the optimal bonus on the Apoc a little bit - the Apoc's optimal bonus is significantly more powerful than the Rokh's because it affects both long and short range weapons to the Rokh's only long range (blasters are more or less falloff based and thus optimal doesn't help as much). -Liang What did I just say?! THe Apoc is totally overpowered. I mean come on you put the second best range bonus on the second best ranged turret and you clearly are displacing the best in both, the Rokh, for ranged combat. This cannot stand!!! Edit- And range is most likely a function of the speed of the charge projected so it makes so much sense that Hybrid turrets have the most range because we know that "solid chunks of matter at hypersonic speed" > the speed of light in a vacuum.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:12:00 - [14] Originally by: bldyannoyed Is it specifically Laser Locus Rigs that have been nerfed? If it is the YAY, even tho I fly the HAX that is the dual Locus Pulse snipe bastards death Zealot. If theyve all been nerfed then boo, Rokh goes back to being **. Well, strictly speaking, the only problem with unstacking nerfed locus rigs was that most other weapon rigs were stacking nerfed. The best solution would have been to add falloff to TC/TE and unstacking nerf all the weapon rigs. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR Liang - Destro/Azazel@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
bldyannoyed Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: bldyannoyed Is it specifically Laser Locus Rigs that have been nerfed? If it is the YAY, even tho I fly the HAX that is the dual Locus Pulse snipe bastards death Zealot. If theyve all been nerfed then boo, Rokh goes back to being **. Well, strictly speaking, the only problem with unstacking nerfed locus rigs was that most other weapon rigs were stacking nerfed. The best solution would have been to add falloff to TC/TE and unstacking nerf all the weapon rigs. -Liang Possibly. But the simple fact is that un-stacked Locus rigs made barmy as all nutter bastard setups viable for Hybrid and Laser based platforms. In the case of Hybrids it wasnt too insane, but lasers were **ing nuts. So I ask again, is it just Energy Locuse Rigs that have had their stats reduced or have they all been reduced or has a stacking penalty simply been introduced on all Locus Rigs?
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:17:00 - [16] Originally by: bldyannoyed Possibly. But the simple fact is that un-stacked Locus rigs made barmy as all ** nutter bastard setups viable for Hybrid and Laser based platforms. In the case of Hybrids it wasnt too insane, but lasers were ing nuts. So I ask again, is it just Energy Locuse Rigs that have had their stats reduced or have they all been reduced or has a stacking penalty simply been introduced on all Locus Rigs? Oh I know - I've been **ing about laser locus rigs for over a year man. The fits that could be made using them were insane, 100km sentry tanking sniper apocs and such. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum **** Extraordinaire Liang/Vanesca - Order/Iron Rock@WAR Liang - Destro/Azazel@WAR www.kwikdeath.org
bldyannoyed Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:20:00 - [17] Hey, i LIKE my 120KM optimal Pulse Apoc. The very hint that it's overpowered makes me want to slap you in the face with a lace glove and demand satisfaction... Or something.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:33:00 - [18] Meh its not like we saw hordes of locus zealots and apocs in fleets. Sure there were a few but hardly anything compared to the legions of overused falcons in ALL types of fleets. Fix falcons, fix retribution. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:36:00 - [19] All the locus rigs were stacking nerfed. My 215km optimal Tempest setup is down to 165km.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:37:00 - [20] nooooooooooooooooooooooooo __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:39:00 - [21] Ships are getting slower. Snipers had to be "adjusted." I suppose. Buuuuutttt.... I'm annoyed that we have a recon ship that can sit at 200km and jam me and I can't quite him him anymore.....
Lili Lu Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships	Posted - 2008.10.22 01:58:00 - [22] Edited by: Lili Lu on 22/10/2008 01:58:42 Originally by: Zarnak Wulf Ships are getting slower. Snipers had to be "adjusted." I suppose. Buuuuutttt.... I'm annoyed that we have a recon ship that can sit at 200km and jam me and I can't quite him him anymore..... Yeah, it's all a Caldari buff. Rediculous. Who in their right mind would create anything other than a 3 charisma Falcon/Cerb/Eaagle/Raven/Drake/Crow/Rokh Achura at this point (if we aren't already there ). Noone will be able to get near them to do any damage.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.22 02:29:00 - [23] Oh yay, how wonderful. I guess it was just too much to ask to actually have a valid rig choice besides extenders/purgers/trimarks...
MalVortex Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.10.22 02:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Oh yay, how wonderful. I guess it was just too much to ask to actually have a valid rig choice besides extenders/purgers/trimarks... This. The only valid rig is +% armor or +%shield. Anything else goes contrary to the "hit aprroach, F1-F8, AFK" gamedesign. Seriously, wtf. Unstacking nerf all rigs, not reduce us to one option.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.22 02:43:00 - [25] They should rethinks alot of the rigs. Many rigs have severe drawbacks like pg, speed or ehp. We need to make rigs more viable not less like someone said above. Also fix retribution. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.10.22 03:45:00 - [26] Viable? You're saying the Vengeance is going to be viable? I think they're going to have to fix rockets first.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.22 03:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Aleus Stygian Viable? You're saying the Vengeance is going to be viable? I think they're going to have to fix rockets first. Yeah needs like 10% dmg per level instead of 5% and rockets need a dmg boost anyway. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.10.22 04:10:00 - [28] Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 22/10/2008 04:17:05 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Aleus Stygian Viable? You're saying the Vengeance is going to be viable? I think they're going to have to fix rockets first. Yeah needs like 10% dmg per level instead of 5% and rockets need a dmg boost anyway. I was talking about the explosion velocity, but yah. Missile nerf and all. Thing is though, as things are they just can't do any real damage against other frigs on the MWD. They of all damn missiles should be able to do this.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.22 06:40:00 - [29] Locus rigs nerfed? Probably long overdue tbh. Guess I'll have to modify my Crusader setup and find a new way of owning the absolute crud out of all other frigs ever. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.22 06:41:00 - [30] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 22/10/2008 06:41:41 May I raise a practical question at this point? What's the range on Dual Light Pulse II w/ scorch, Sharpshooter V? J/W Drunk and too lazy to get set up for sisi to check >,< Ty <3 Edit: and yeah it's an overdue nerf, however unfortunate. And I would love the Retri to get a buff :D that would rock. come on, no tackle? pff. needs somethin'.
MalVortex Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.10.22 06:56:00 - [31] DLP II, Scorch, 2x TE II, Level V skills: 13.1km optimal. So much for the pulsader.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2008.10.22 08:46:00 - [32] I do fly pulse amarr ships and have used locus rigs when possible, I don't really mind the nerf I guess, means game needs more tactics (inertia seems to be becoming way more important, the need to warp around on the actual field).. But I totally agree with the retribution change.. CCP wants AFs to be the sustained tacklers (inty gets a point, AF can then get in a scramble with afterburner for sustained point), but seriously, if you want to make the whole AB+Scramble possible we do need 2 mids :) All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
K'Ji	Posted - 2008.10.22 09:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Muppet tears WTF? What's the nerf? This.
Delichon The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.10.22 09:16:00 - [34] Look at the bright side. Now Tempest will suck in 150km fleets OBVIOUSLY. You just would not be able to push it out to a reasonable range with out the rigs. They might actually boost it now. ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next. EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun
Crellion Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.22 09:42:00 - [35] Retribution: Sure fix it by turning a low slot into a mid slot. Not the utility. You cant have 5 guns 2 damage mods and a full armor tank AND tackle on a frid dont be silly. Locus Rigs: I see... Falcons: Need a huge nerf to range. Give them a 10% rof (doube damage bonus) to their 3 launchers instead... I might start flying them then... Do it! Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.10.22 10:02:00 - [36] Originally by: MalVortex DLP II, Scorch, 2x TE II, Level V skills: 13.1km optimal. So much for the pulsader. That's without locus rigs? __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 10:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Crellion Retribution: Sure fix it by turning a low slot into a mid slot. Not the utility. You cant have 5 guns 2 damage mods and a full armor tank AND tackle on a frid dont be silly. Locus Rigs: I see... Falcons: Need a huge nerf to range. Give them a 10% rof (doube damage bonus) to their 3 launchers instead... I might start flying them then... Do it! Falcon has 2 launchers, not 3.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Conviction.	Posted - 2008.10.22 10:50:00 - [38] I sign for the retri fix, give us some love damnit! ________ My views represent the views of my corp, deal with it.
Cmndr Griff Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2008.10.22 11:06:00 - [39] Gets my vote, about time the Retri was sorted out. Been flying it for a while and although it can outrun most close-range AFs and lay on the pain out of web-range (thanks to all the AB setups on Sisi and my friend Scorch), that one mid although unique is just a bit pointless I have to agree. I like the spare hi-slot for putting in an offlined smarty for overheating but i'd rather lose that than a low-slot to give to the mids. Where do ideas like these come from? Monkeys in hats?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.22 12:15:00 - [40] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: Lyria Skydancer /sign here if you support the retribution fix. And /sign. Retri fix would kick ass. Tiny ship you can't fly solo = should pack some punch. yes. 5 turrets and fittings to accomodate beams plzkthx --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.22 12:19:00 - [41] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 22/10/2008 12:22:22 Originally by: Liang Nuren Well, strictly speaking, the only problem with unstacking nerfed locus rigs was that most other weapon rigs were stacking nerfed. The best solution would have been to add falloff to TC/TE and unstacking nerf all the weapon rigs. -Liang This. However, having only Amarr have the option to boost their both long and short range gun optimals to insane ranges was broken and needed a fix, one way or another. Unstacking the weapon rigs altogether and adding falloff to TEs is a, on the whole, the more attractive option. However, the Amarr trolls claim that falloff boosting TEs are OP... and locus rigs were not (), so whatever. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.22 17:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: MalVortex DLP II, Scorch, 2x TE II, Level V skills: 13.1km optimal. So much for the pulsader. That's without locus rigs? Yehhhhh... unless they nerfed WAY more than just locus rigs, that can't be. I can get 13km opt with JUST DLP II and Scorch and 2x TE II.
MalVortex Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.10.22 17:18:00 - [43] Thats with just 2x TE, yes. Given that LC are stacking nerfed on sisi and 50% weaker than TE II to begin with, you might be able to push it out another 1.5km. Maybe. Its dead jim.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.10.22 18:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Cpt Branko However, the Amarr trolls claim that falloff boosting TEs are OP... and locus rigs were not (), so whatever. Hey :( I've been pushing for more falloff-modifying mods for a long time. Unstacking all of the weapon rigs could be pretty silly though, given how cheap they are to create. If you can spend 5mil for 15% more damage, or 15mil for 15% more armor HP, which one of them are you going to take? Maybe leave the range mods unstacked; leave the damage mods as stacking penalized - it's not like nobody uses them anyway, I see them on a surprising amount of fit. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.22 19:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Crellion Retribution: Sure fix it by turning a low slot into a mid slot. Not the utility. You cant have 5 guns 2 damage mods and a full armor tank AND tackle on a frid dont be silly. I said give it another mid but ccp has on different occasions expressed how the 1 mid retri has its charm that way I suggested 5 turrets hardpoints IF they refuse to give another mid. Never ofcourse meant to give it a mid and 2 mids, that would be op. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Tempest of Change
Patri Andari Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.23 01:13:00 - [46] "And it was good" (Quoting God on recent changes) Patri A fool usually thinks he is a genius
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.10.23 01:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Crellion Retribution: Sure fix it by turning a low slot into a mid slot. Not the utility. You cant have 5 guns 2 damage mods and a full armor tank AND tackle on a frid dont be silly. Locus Rigs: I see... Falcons: Need a huge nerf to range. Give them a 10% rof (doube damage bonus) to their 3 launchers instead... I might start flying them then... Do it! Falcon has 2 launchers, not 3. Now this is the sort of ** I want to see! Originally by:** Lyria Skydancer I said give it another mid but ccp has on different occasions expressed how the 1 mid retri has its charm that way I suggested 5 turrets hardpoints IF they refuse to give another mid. Never ofcourse meant to give it a mid and 2 mids, that would be op. What? Like the Wolf is then?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.23 01:43:00 - [48] Originally by: Aleus Stygian What? Like the Wolf is then? I'm not too familiar with wolf performance after patch. As said, they need to tweak all AFs really. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Tempest of Change
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.23 01:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Aleus Stygian What? Like the Wolf is then? I'm not too familiar with wolf performance after patch. As said, they need to tweak all AFs really. It's not bad, but I much prefer the Jaguar over the Wolf for anything except anti-AF combat really. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.23 02:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Meh its not like we saw hordes of locus zealots and apocs in fleets. Sure there were a few but hardly anything compared to the legions of overused falcons in ALL types of fleets. Fix falcons, fix retribution. Only because the bug has been on the chopping block so long people were wondering whether or not they should train Zealot or whether or not it was going to get nerfed.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.23 03:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Meh its not like we saw hordes of locus zealots and apocs in fleets. Sure there were a few but hardly anything compared to the legions of overused falcons in ALL types of fleets. Fix falcons, fix retribution. Only because the bug has been on the chopping block so long people were wondering whether or not they should train Zealot or whether or not it was going to get nerfed. People that were thinking to train zealot just because of locus rigs are fail anyway. Locus on zealot only added flavor to it, it didnt make up the whole course. As said by many, they need to make many rigs viable to use and worth using. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Tempest of Change
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.10.23 03:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Cpt Branko It's not bad, but I much prefer the Jaguar over the Wolf for anything except anti-AF combat really. I was being sarcastic. You know that, right? And yes, the Jaguar is much preferable. It's actually not such a bad vessel even as it is right now.
Shira Rayborn	Posted - 2008.10.29 06:22:00 - [53] I think ccp mentioned something about looking at the 1 mids. It's prolly gonna be a mid instead of extra turret/dps addition. Who knows when it's going to happen though.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.29 16:36:00 - [54] Bump for retri fix. Come on ccp, just add the mid slot and be done with it. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Rhadamantine Game Community	Posted - 2008.10.29 17:53:00 - [55] Nothing wrong with it. Regards. Rhadamantine.
Lili Lu Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships	Posted - 2008.10.29 19:33:00 - [56] BTW, more amarr nerf. Javelin HAMs and rockets have a meaningless insignificant range benefit now. Utterly useless. So the Khanid ships have only one option now. Unlike guided missile users still having a short range higher damage option.
Lokius Ahgamemnon	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:14:00 - [57] What does the retri have right now for highs? I'm at work so can't check. 4 turret and 1 missle/utility? I say leave it at that or change it to that. It'll at least be inline with the wolf then :)
Aoife Baelish Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:28:00 - [58] Edited by: Aoife Baelish on 29/10/2008 20:28:42 Three retributions make for a big tough ship, one wears the scrambler, another one wears the web, and the third one with the MWD bumps the other two so they can keep up with the speed. Teamwork, my friends! ---<---@
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Aoife Baelish Edited by: Aoife Baelish on 29/10/2008 20:28:42 Three retributions make for a big tough ship, one wears the scrambler, another one wears the web, and the third one with the MWD bumps the other two so they can keep up with the speed. Teamwork, my friends! Lets give all ships only 1 mid, shall we? Teamwork my friends! ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Aoife Baelish Gallente	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Aoife Baelish Edited by: Aoife Baelish on 29/10/2008 20:28:42 Three retributions make for a big tough ship, one wears the scrambler, another one wears the web, and the third one with the MWD bumps the other two so they can keep up with the speed. Teamwork, my friends! Lets give all ships only 1 mid, shall we? Teamwork my friends! Now add ship fusion and we have the perfect combination!. Omg, I wonder how a hurrifalcon would be for solo PVP. ---<---@
Leon vanUber	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:54:00 - [61] oh the tears about stacking penalties applied like they should. wonderfull. the tears from the bears will be the same, when shield power relays will finally be adjusted as well. well if ccp wasnt bowing down to the nonpvp caldari missionrunners that is. It's nothing personal. I just want your stuff, and more importantly the fun of the fight.
Fafnir Drake Gallente Boob Heads Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:31:00 - [62] Originally by: Aoife Baelish Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Aoife Baelish Edited by: Aoife Baelish on 29/10/2008 20:28:42 Three retributions make for a big tough ship, one wears the scrambler, another one wears the web, and the third one with the MWD bumps the other two so they can keep up with the speed. Teamwork, my friends! Lets give all ships only 1 mid, shall we? Teamwork my friends! Now add ship fusion and we have the perfect combination!. Omg, I wonder how a hurrifalcon would be for solo PVP. Delicate electronics don't mix well with Duct Tape. Trust me on this...... ------ "Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure."
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2008.10.30 00:12:00 - [63] Edited by: Vladimir Norkoff on 30/10/2008 00:12:24 Originally by: Aoife Baelish Now add ship fusion and we have the perfect combination!. It's the new EvE. Taxman VI: Voided Ledger
Gark32 Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.10.30 02:12:00 - [64] Originally by: Aoife Baelish Omg, I wonder how a hurrifalcon would be for solo PVP. i think you mean falCANE ________________________________________________
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.10.30 05:37:00 - [65] Needs that 2nd mid, without it it's fairly worthless as it doesn't provide particularly good dps or anything else for that matter. With 2 mids you could do speed mod + scram which would make it effective. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.30 17:07:00 - [66] Give us our 2nd mid. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Rhadamantine Game Community	Posted - 2008.10.30 17:12:00 - [67] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. It's fine with one. Regards. Rhadamantine.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.30 17:31:00 - [68] Originally by: Rhadamantine Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. It's fine with one. You base this on what? ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
baltec1 R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.10.30 17:34:00 - [69] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Rhadamantine Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. It's fine with one. You base this on what? I can get by on one, 2 would be nice though.
Rhadamantine Game Community	Posted - 2008.10.30 17:51:00 - [70] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Rhadamantine Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. It's fine with one. You base this on what? On the fact it's fine with one. Regards. Rhadamantine.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.30 18:09:00 - [71] Originally by: Rhadamantine On the fact it's fine with one. Do you fly it? Or what do you base this on? ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Rhadamantine Game Community	Posted - 2008.10.30 19:32:00 - [72] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Rhadamantine On the fact it's fine with one. Do you fly it? Or what do you base this on? Yep, and it's fine. Regards. Rhadamantine.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.30 19:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Rhadamantine Yep, and it's fine. No, you don't. I checked. So why don't you post with the character that you claim is flying your retri. Good try cutie. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Mortuus Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.10.30 19:45:00 - [74] It really is fine with 1, 2 would be kinda nice but it works just fine as is. Its basically a 20km bubble of death for any frigate, meaning those battleships and cruisers don't have to worry about small ships. Get a teammate in a Malediction and go out hunting it works nicely, or pair up with another Ret. Occassus Republica <3
Rhadamantine Game Community	Posted - 2008.10.30 19:50:00 - [75] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Rhadamantine Yep, and it's fine. No, you don't. I checked. So why don't you post with the character that you claim is flying your retri. Good try cutie. wow, I have my own stalker and everything. Five accounts, and the Retri is fine. Regards. Rhadamantine.
baltec1 R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.10.30 21:11:00 - [76] Originally by: Mortuus It really is fine with 1, 2 would be kinda nice but it works just fine as is. Its basically a 20km bubble of death for any frigate, meaning those battleships and cruisers don't have to worry about small ships. Get a teammate in a Malediction and go out hunting it works nicely, or pair up with another Ret. Its also great at killing drones. Just fit a web on it and watch that Ishtars DPS pop one by one
Foulque	Posted - 2008.10.30 21:18:00 - [77] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid.
Thaddeus Brutor Minmatar 24th Imperial Recon	Posted - 2008.10.31 04:09:00 - [78] To the above question, it's 4 turret/1 utility, 1 mid, and 5 low. The wolf is 4 turret/1 missile, 2 mid, 4 low. I'd like to see the Retribution pick up a second mid, and it doesn't seem imbalanced. The wolf can fit 5 weapons, the retribution can't. I'll continue to fly it with 1 mid, but I really would like to see it with a second mid. That or a very large damage increase, because I just don't think it got a fair trade-off. Thaddeus
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.10.31 04:23:00 - [79] Personally? I see it as a non tackling bleeder punisher. Basically a heavy hitting caldari frigate. . . Only it uses lasers and tanks armor. Really, the entire problem with the ship is it's single mid slot and that's ONLY a problem if you believe a ship MUST have BOTH an MWD/AB AND a warp disruptor. It's not entirely necessary in this case but it certainly harms the utility of the ship, given that it's almost certainly going to be in point range anyway if it wants to shoot something.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.31 05:01:00 - [80] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. I want a 3rd mid on my Enyo. The last high is kinda useless. It would look better as a mid. Or a low. Or who needs launcher slots on an Enyo. Give me another turret slot. I don't use launchers. The above is 100% comparable to your OP. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. [Vid] I M M O R T A L
Foulque	Posted - 2008.10.31 05:16:00 - [81] Originally by: Bellum Eternus The above is 100% comparable to your OP. No the above is a boost to a ship that has the slots to fit mods that are required to make it at all viable. Giving the Retribution a mid slot is moving it from a lol ratter/plexer to a decent Assault frig (if there is such a thing). I mean seriously, warp into a belt and whatever you're chasing happens to be at 25k +, only option is to slowboat over to him or to watch him fly off in armor because you couldnt fit a point. Even if you do have a target pointed and engaged anything with an AB/MWD will just run off because again you have no MWD or a web. Yes I'm talking about solo and yes imo ships should atleast be capable of solo PVP. It's not like you're actually going to turn up to a real gang in one anyway.
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.10.31 05:19:00 - [82] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. I want a 3rd mid on my Enyo. The last high is kinda useless. It would look better as a mid. Or a low. Or who needs launcher slots on an Enyo. Give me another turret slot. I don't use launchers. The above is 100% comparable to your OP. The enyo has the slot layout the retribution should have. It doesn't have much benefit from the the extra high slot however not having 2 mids causes it to not be able to effectively tackle anything without giving up a speed mod(MWD/AB) which for a frigate is not really acceptable as the ships rely heavily on speed to survive against larger ships. The Enyo's 5/2/4 can do both, the retributions 5/1/5 cannot, nor does it have a better tank as it doesn't really have the fitting to do anything above a basic armor tank. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.31 05:58:00 - [83] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. I want a 3rd mid on my Enyo. The last high is kinda useless. It would look better as a mid. Or a low. Or who needs launcher slots on an Enyo. Give me another turret slot. I don't use launchers. The above is 100% comparable to your OP. I hope you honestly support what you have written here because it would finally prove to me that your iq level is beyond bad. Keep humoring us with your worthless posts mate. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.10.31 06:02:00 - [84] signed www.garia.net
Konrad Kurr	Posted - 2008.10.31 06:40:00 - [85] Originally by: Derek Sigres Personally? I see it as a non tackling bleeder punisher. Basically a heavy hitting caldari frigate. . . Only it uses lasers and tanks armor. Really, the entire problem with the ship is it's single mid slot and that's ONLY a problem if you believe a ship MUST have BOTH an MWD/AB AND a warp disruptor. It's not entirely necessary in this case but it certainly harms the utility of the ship, given that it's almost certainly going to be in point range anyway if it wants to shoot something. problem with this though is that the dps aint that great either lol. Fair enough if the dps was nice enough, I woud get along fine without a 2nd midslot but when compared to other assault frigs its dps it aint superior and combined with its lack of utility = a mediocre ship best used for stealth ratting ...cruisers :p Oh and hai Foulque 0/
Dikanal	Posted - 2008.10.31 06:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. I want a 3rd mid on my Enyo. The last high is kinda useless. It would look better as a mid. Or a low. Or who needs launcher slots on an Enyo. Give me another turret slot. I don't use launchers. The above is 100% comparable to your OP. I hope you honestly support what you have written here because it would finally prove to me that your iq level is beyond bad. Keep humoring us with your worthless posts mate. Why dont you jump into highsec with a GCC to avoid a killmail over it?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.31 07:33:00 - [87] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. I want a 3rd mid on my Enyo. The last high is kinda useless. It would look better as a mid. Or a low. Or who needs launcher slots on an Enyo. Give me another turret slot. I don't use launchers. The above is 100% comparable to your OP. I hope you honestly support what you have written here because it would finally prove to me that your iq level is beyond bad. Keep humoring us with your worthless posts mate. What? I can't troll your threads now? The garbage you post in mine is twice as bad. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. [Vid] I M M O R T A L
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.10.31 09:02:00 - [88] Originally by: Bellum Eternus What? I can't troll your threads now? The garbage you post in mine is twice as bad. made my day true a 2nd mid would be nice but is not needed. amarr ships are not rly known for their utility. they usually have a role in which they have to stay cause there is no room for somethink else. it is just a dps long range (from a frigate point of view) anti small stuff plattform and it does it well. and people saying "but it should atleast be able to fight solo": 1. wake up, this is not a solo game and solo pvp is a myth 2. you can fight solo in it just cant hold the target close (not an issue, retri has range) or prevent them from warping, oh noes big deal, bring in a friend, problem solved.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.10.31 09:57:00 - [89] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Give us our 2nd mid. I want a 3rd mid on my Enyo. The last high is kinda useless. It would look better as a mid. Or a low. Or who needs launcher slots on an Enyo. Give me another turret slot. I don't use launchers. The above is 100% comparable to your OP. Yeah and pls do it with caldari ones too , they cant fit the 5th high anyway,and a +1 low slot would be nice.
Aethras Legion Infernal	Posted - 2008.10.31 11:38:00 - [90] /signed +1 mid
Thaddeus Brutor Minmatar 24th Imperial Recon	Posted - 2008.10.31 13:19:00 - [91] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Originally by: Bellum Eternus What? I can't troll your threads now? The garbage you post in mine is twice as bad. made my day true a 2nd mid would be nice but is not needed. amarr ships are not rly known for their utility. they usually have a role in which they have to stay cause there is no room for somethink else. it is just a dps long range (from a frigate point of view) anti small stuff plattform and it does it well. and people saying "but it should atleast be able to fight solo": 1. wake up, this is not a solo game and solo pvp is a myth 2. you can fight solo in it just cant hold the target close (not an issue, retri has range) or prevent them from warping, oh noes big deal, bring in a friend, problem solved. I agree that it's limited, but limitation should equal specialization. The Retribution does not DPS or Tank better than other assault ships with 2 Mids. That's the issue. So either slap on another MID, or increase the DPS to actually compensate for having one MID. Thaddeus
Rhadamantine Game Community	Posted - 2008.10.31 14:12:00 - [92] It's fine with one. Regards. Rhadamantine.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.10.31 16:48:00 - [93] Originally by: Thaddeus Brutor I agree that it's limited, but limitation should equal specialization. The Retribution does not DPS or Tank better than other assault ships with 2 Mids. That's the issue. So either slap on another MID, or increase the DPS to actually compensate for having one MID. This. Odd how branko can't grasp this.
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.10.31 18:05:00 - [94] Originally by: sdthujfg Originally by: Thaddeus Brutor I agree that it's limited, but limitation should equal specialization. The Retribution does not DPS or Tank better than other assault ships with 2 Mids. That's the issue. So either slap on another MID, or increase the DPS to actually compensate for having one MID. This. Odd how branko can't grasp this. I think he was trying to emulate your ineptitude. But you missed it, go figure. Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
Cloora APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.10.31 18:09:00 - [95] Originally by: Rhadamantine It's fine with one. No matter how many times you say this, it does not make it true.
SirDanceAlot	Posted - 2008.10.31 19:12:00 - [96] Originally by: Mag's I think he was trying to emulate your ineptitude. But you missed it, go figure. How long have you waited to say that word? It's easy to play internet smarts when you can surf the dictionary. How about making a point instead of playing games you fail at?
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.10.31 21:02:00 - [97] Edited by: Mag''s on 31/10/2008 21:02:46 Originally by: SirDanceAlot Originally by: Mag's I think he was trying to emulate your ineptitude. But you missed it, go figure. How long have you waited to say that word? It's easy to play internet smarts when you can surf the dictionary. How about making a point instead of playing games you fail at? wow, you sure did pwn me there. I'll never be able to post again.... oh wait edit: added another Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.

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