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vostok Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.23 21:51:00 - [61] Originally by: Leviathan9 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 23/10/2008 21:42:36 Originally by: Grimpak do tell a blaster ship that does over 1100 dps at 30km range. oh wait, don't need to tell me. it's called Raven Well i can get around 1.1k dps at 25k in my mega with Null, but my skills are maxed out. Can you run dual heavy neuts at the same time? Heres a raven fitting I want to see a blasterthron beat, because I can fly both but I never want to have to fly a raven! 948 dps from torps + 158 dps from drones = 1107 dps. 102k ehp - ok not great but you have passive regen so no need for remote rep or repairer and you can (and almost certainly should) overload those invul fields to give you an extra 14k ehp. runs a point runs dual heavy neuts for 4 minutes!!! Can switch up to a 45km range dealing just shy of 700 dps. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
El Yatta Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.10.23 21:52:00 - [62] Originally by: Leviathan9 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 23/10/2008 21:42:36 Originally by: Grimpak do tell a blaster ship that does over 1100 dps at 30km range. oh wait, don't need to tell me. it's called Raven Well i can get around 1.1k dps at 25k in my mega with Null, but my skills are maxed out. No, no you cant. You get about that, withNull, at Null's optimal, which is ELEVEN kilometers maxed out. You also get 15k of falloff to play with, but at that point you are doing half damage: about 650 DPS (drone DPS isnt halved so its more than 550) The comparison at 25k is: Mega 650 DPS, Raven 1100 DPS. The comedy idea that blasters are overpowered now is just that, hilarious. Anyone who has actually TESTED anything on sisi will know that blasters are broken. Utterly broken. I didnt listen to the devblog, but if they really did say that, jesus christ. _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.23 21:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Leviathan9 Aye i feel ya Solo. But as CCP Hypnotic said to me... CCP Hypnotic > You'll adapt. I have faith in your leet skillz I was on SISI when he said that to you. What a crock of bullsh*t. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.23 21:54:00 - [64] Originally by: El Yatta I didnt listen to the devblog, but if they really did say that, jesus christ. they said this patch would boost them. but then again, some time ago they said that the helios had 3 hi-slots, so... --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
vostok Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.23 21:55:00 - [65] Originally by: Pandora Pirinello Edited by: Pandora Pirinello on 23/10/2008 21:51:00 If you can fly a t2 fitted mega you can cross train amarr in 60 days or so for BS + large pulse II, i suggest you get going while you have time... (i am) Edit: at least we still have the taranis right? unless they break it by putting their filthy uneducated dev hands upon its pristine stats i wont feel the need to rage quit. Because you're not the primary cause of all the problems with ballance in eve The more people go around doing fotm the more ccp ** things up. I personally don't want to see amarr nerfed into the ground, I want to see viable tactics for all of the different ships in eve. When people all train the same thing the result is heading for *ty town because suddenly its not about who has come up with a good idea, its, ill slug my abaddon with yours at 40km and see who has better cap management skills... - Adaptation is not an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Cmndr Griff Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2008.10.23 21:57:00 - [66] Originally by: vostok Originally by: Pandora Pirinello Edited by: Pandora Pirinello on 23/10/2008 21:51:00 If you can fly a t2 fitted mega you can cross train amarr in 60 days or so for BS + large pulse II, i suggest you get going while you have time... (i am) Edit: at least we still have the taranis right? unless they break it by putting their filthy uneducated dev hands upon its pristine stats i wont feel the need to rage quit. Because you're not the primary cause of all the problems with ballance in eve The more people go around doing fotm the more ccp ** things up. I personally don't want to see amarr nerfed into the ground, I want to see viable tactics for all of the different ships in eve. When people all train the same thing the result is heading for **ty town because suddenly its not about who has come up with a good idea, its, ill slug my abaddon with yours at 40km and see who has better cap management skills... Yeah but isn't all of Eve like this, especially now that speed is going. Where do ideas like these come from? Monkeys in hats?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:00:00 - [67] Originally by: Cmndr Griff Yeah but isn't all of Eve like this, especially now that speed is going. altho you need to replace "cap management skills" to "who has the cyno field closer to the mouse pointer" or "who has more friends 1 jump away". --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Strill	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:02:00 - [68] Edited by: Strill on 23/10/2008 22:02:12 Originally by: Misanth Just get up close with your mwd, scramble them as they scramble you. Web won't be as effective but it will be making your blasters > their guns, no matter what type (more or less). Your neut/drones won't really help them either. So what's the problem? It won't make your blasters > their guns. A Mega with 7 neutron blasters, T2 ogres, 2 damage mods, and max skills does 125 more DPS than a megapulse abaddon with 2 damage mods. The megathron can only deal that extra damage if it's within 4.5km. The abaddon can deal its damage up to 15km away. It's not very likely that your 125 more dps is going to make up for the time it took you to get into range, if you can get in range at all.
Pandora Pirinello	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:02:00 - [69] Originally by: vostok Originally by: Pandora Pirinello Edited by: Pandora Pirinello on 23/10/2008 21:51:00 If you can fly a t2 fitted mega you can cross train amarr in 60 days or so for BS + large pulse II, i suggest you get going while you have time... (i am) Edit: at least we still have the taranis right? unless they break it by putting their filthy uneducated dev hands upon its pristine stats i wont feel the need to rage quit. Because you're not the primary cause of all the problems with ballance in eve The more people go around doing fotm the more ccp ** things up. I personally don't want to see amarr nerfed into the ground, I want to see viable tactics for all of the different ships in eve. When people all train the same thing the result is heading for **ty town because suddenly its not about who has come up with a good idea, its, ill slug my abaddon with yours at 40km and see who has better cap management skills... I am not obsessed with finishing every 50 day 3% gain skill so now that i can use t2 gallente large stuff cross training makes sense... i'll stick with the dominix but mega/hyperion suck, apoc is the future once locus rigs get nerfed especially. Seriously... why would i get my ass kicked for the next year until they boost minmitar/gallente if i dont have to?
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:07:00 - [70] Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 23/10/2008 22:12:22 Torp-based battleshps have become pwnmobiles for some time now, if you aren't training them yet then you are an r-tard. I for one started training right when I plugged Mega vs Raven into EFT. In fact, I abandoned all Gallente non-capital training when the new gameplay changes were hinted to. They just dont get any love anymore: Celestis - damp nerf Lachesis - damp nerf Arazu - damp nerf Myrmidon - Drone nerf Megathron - Blaster-based Thorax - Blaster-based Brutix - Blaster-based Deimos - Blaster-based Astarte - Blaster-based Drake - passive tank BC king Raven - Torps FTW Scorpion - Only EWAR-based Battleship Falcon - King of the Recons And yea, you could convert all the blaster-based ships into rail platforms, but you could use another race and be so much more effective.
Haakelen Gallente Nation of Muppets	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:11:00 - [71] Originally by: Trebor Notlimah Celestis - damp nerf Lachesis - damp nerf Arazu - damp nerf Myrmidon - Drone nerf Eos - Drone nerf Megathron - Change of gameplay Hyperion - Active tanking lol Domi - Nos nerf Thorax - Change of gameplay Drake - passive tank king Raven - Torps FTW Scorpion - Only EWAR-based Battleship Falcon - King of the Recons Rokh - If you're going to use rails, might as well just train Caldari BS 3 You forgot a few, unfortunately.
vostok Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:12:00 - [72] Originally by: Pandora Pirinello I am not obsessed with finishing every 50 day 3% gain skill so now that i can use t2 gallente large stuff cross training makes sense... i'll stick with the dominix but mega/hyperion suck, apoc is the future once locus rigs get nerfed especially. Seriously... why would i get my ass kicked for the next year until they boost minmitar/gallente if i dont have to? I'm somewhat unsure why you're posting here then. Surely you understand that blasters wont be fixed unless people tell ccp that they are useless... And yet you openly admit training for something else since blasters are useless and yet you don't think they should be buffed. This is not an excuse for a lack of ballance and letting ccp get away with crap like telling us blasters are ballanced. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:15:00 - [73] Originally by: vostok I'm somewhat unsure why you're posting here then. Surely you understand that blasters wont be fixed unless people tell ccp that they are useless.... I wouldnt hold your breath. The nano-nerf took how long again? Stop training Gallente; choose anything else. Problem solved.
vostok Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Trebor Notlimah Originally by: vostok I'm somewhat unsure why you're posting here then. Surely you understand that blasters wont be fixed unless people tell ccp that they are useless.... I wouldnt hold your breath. The nano-nerf took how long again? Stop training Gallente; choose anything else. Problem solved. Atm I'm looking at the vulture for next ship, but I wont let people say gallente are ballanced. I'm so fed up with noobs who think gallente are the pvp race because of what they did about 3 years ago and still think blasterboat theory holds true. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Blastil	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:28:00 - [75] This is why you cross train into Caldari, since CCP will never nerf the carebears, or the macro miners.
Haakelen Gallente Nation of Muppets	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:29:00 - [76] Originally by: Blastil This is why you cross train into Caldari, since CCP will never nerf the carebears, or the macro miners. Workin' on Caldari Cruiser 5 now. Might as well get some use out of Medium Rail spec.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:33:00 - [77] Originally by: Strill Edited by: Strill on 23/10/2008 22:02:12 Originally by: Misanth Just get up close with your mwd, scramble them as they scramble you. Web won't be as effective but it will be making your blasters > their guns, no matter what type (more or less). Your neut/drones won't really help them either. So what's the problem? It won't make your blasters > their guns. A Mega with 7 neutron blasters, T2 ogres, 2 damage mods, and max skills does 125 more DPS than a megapulse abaddon with 2 damage mods. The megathron can only deal that extra damage if it's within 4.5km. The abaddon can deal its damage up to 15km away. It's not very likely that your 125 more dps is going to make up for the time it took you to get into range, if you can get in range at all. Bolded stuff. There's always ways to spin things. Add in discussion about the ships different fittings, the fact the Abaddon cost almost the double compared to the Mega, then mention how they'd both do with ewar friends on the field, fleet size, etc etc. I put that comments in brackets there for a reason.
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:47:00 - [78] Don't know why I bother, with this weeks patch on SISI torps/ cruise went to the crapper, less range and slower speeds among other things. Trying to fit a nice tank + a web, point and mwd your **ed, with torps kinda impossible since high CPU reqs for Tech II Torp launchers. Each Tech II torp has a Penalty from using the Torp, Jav torps = -4% ship speed reduction PER TORP Rage, **s up your cap recharge time. Raven has its Pro's but just like the mega its got cons too .. IMO with the whole speed/ web nerf deal, CCP went the wrong way about it.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:53:00 - [79] two blaster throns engage each other post balance, which one grumbles most about their dps? sesh .. drone boat pilots upset about guns and speed .. no wonder devs roll their eyes
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:57:00 - [80] what you get for training FOTM. cya.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.23 22:59:00 - [81] Originally by: F90OEX IMO with the whole speed/ web nerf deal, CCP went the wrong way about it. not sure what your preferred way would be but mine is: - make missiles go fast enough to hit something fast and inside its (10 sec max flight time) range - improve tracking on all guns - make small (10km), medium (15km), large (25km) webs - make web effect instant (if reduced to 60%) - fix signature this way, there are strategical options and can come in the form of new mods / weapons 'w00t' rather than World reshaping
MenanceWhite Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:02:00 - [82] Originally by: Tzar'rim That's odd. Did the people who whine today also whine about the state of Amarr back then or did they just smile and laugh as they took out another lol-amarr ship? What, no? Ah, I guessed as much. For long blasterthrons/Thoraxes have been at the top of the food chain; massive damage, good tracking (on the thron), perfect slot layout and no drawbacks whatsoever. Guess what, it's balance time. ohho, almost exactly the same reply I posted in another gallente whine thread. Mission Accomplished
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:12:00 - [83] I Welcome the OP to the world of minmatar Autocannons
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:14:00 - [84] Yeah, I'm glad someone from CCP actually read that 30-page thread in the test server forum, where the problems with blasters are explained. But obviously nobody has seen it, since CCP very clearly said they aren't aware of any problems. Maybe someone should bring that thread to their attention? Oh wait, that thread has blue bars and a dev reply saying "we'll look into it". Guess your dev blog was just a waste of bandwidth, not that I'm really shocked about that.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:16:00 - [85] Originally by: Leviathan9 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 23/10/2008 21:42:36 Originally by: Grimpak do tell a blaster ship that does over 1100 dps at 30km range. oh wait, don't need to tell me. it's called Raven Well i can get around 1.1k dps at 25k in my mega with Null, but my skills are maxed out. Total utter *******s mate. Come back when you're playing the same game
vostok Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:18:00 - [86] Originally by: MenanceWhite Originally by: Tzar'rim That's odd. Did the people who whine today also whine about the state of Amarr back then or did they just smile and laugh as they took out another lol-amarr ship? What, no? Ah, I guessed as much. For long blasterthrons/Thoraxes have been at the top of the food chain; massive damage, good tracking (on the thron), perfect slot layout and no drawbacks whatsoever. Guess what, it's balance time. ohho, almost exactly the same reply I posted in another gallente whine thread. Mission Accomplished And thats a reason as to why gallente shuld not be buffed like amarr was. Considering its hard to know about the problems of a ship unless you actuly fly it (or unless its lol minmatar) why should somebody else whine about it for you? Also for the record, I'm a near maxed caldari BS pilot and I have a very near maxed amarr BS pilot too.
Pattern Clarc Naglihiem	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:20:00 - [87] Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/10/2008 21:28:23 I don't know how many of you are listening to the live dev blog at the moment, but CCP just confirmed that Blasters are fine. Despite multiple topics explaining their faults with this upcoming patch ... increased mass, weaker MWD's, tiny optimals ... CCP just said that they think Blasters will be fine and have no intention of making any modifications to them. CCP, you FAIL. You have countless topics EXPLAINING to you the problems. And you DO NOT listen. A year and a half of spec training GONE. Smooth move. /me goes to train Amarr Cruiser V and Medium T2 lasers. An Absolution is my only answer. blasters and autocannon based ships and tactics will be high in my prioirty of stuff if you elect me CSM see below for more information about my platform.
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:34:00 - [88] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 23/10/2008 23:20:28 Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 23/10/2008 23:19:54 Originally by: Leviathan9 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 23/10/2008 21:42:36 Originally by: Grimpak do tell a blaster ship that does over 1100 dps at 30km range. oh wait, don't need to tell me. it's called Raven Well i can get around 1.1k dps at 25k in my mega with Null, but my skills are maxed out. Total utter *******s mate. Come back when you're playing the same game P.s I've had 100% perfect skills for the Blasterthron for the last two years, I've exclusively flown the ship solo for 3 years, most of it in Curse, you don't come remotely near 1100 dps at that range. Yeah, your right about the dps at that range, but you still get ok dps from that range from large blasters. ----------------------------
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:36:00 - [89] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: Solomon XI Edited by: Solomon XI on 23/10/2008 21:28:23 I don't know how many of you are listening to the live dev blog at the moment, but CCP just confirmed that Blasters are fine. Despite multiple topics explaining their faults with this upcoming patch ... increased mass, weaker MWD's, tiny optimals ... CCP just said that they think Blasters will be fine and have no intention of making any modifications to them. CCP, you FAIL. You have countless topics EXPLAINING to you the problems. And you DO NOT listen. A year and a half of spec training GONE. Smooth move. /me goes to train Amarr Cruiser V and Medium T2 lasers. An Absolution is my only answer. blasters and autocannon based ships and tactics will be high in my prioirty of stuff if you elect me CSM see below for more information about my platform. Speaking of which... I need to get a passport so I'm eligible to run... Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:44:00 - [90] By the way, did my question on the gaping flaw in the tracking formula get answered? -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'

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