Issues that arise from this:
1. Any ship can warp successfully from small gang fleets without fear of being tackled and/or shot down.
2. Makes any type of fight or tackle on a small gate camp for instance worthless.
3. The only known method for for preventing this is dropping cans/drones on a gate to prevent thus said cloaking, which is considered a exploit.
4. Even a ceptor with full boosts has issues decloaking the target(and tackling it and not getting insta popped by gateguns).

Reasons why it needs to be fixed:
1. ANY ship can move freely in high, lowsec, or nullsec(if no bubbles are present) without hinderance as long as it can fit these two modules.
2. Makes taking territory or laying claim to a area worthless in lowsec, as there is no means of controlling traffic.
3. small gang warfare in lowsec is broken due to this.
4. I sincerly doubt that the devs designed this module to become a free warp pass for any ship.

Possible Fix:
Make the improved or prototype cloaking device unable to activate when a propulsion module is active(lore wise "the cloak cannot be sustained due to its technological limitations"). Although for a covert ops cloak should not be effected by the change as they can warp anyways while cloaked as intended.

3. The only known method for for preventing this is dropping cans/drones on a gate to prevent thus said cloaking, which is considered a exploit.

1. Any ship can warp successfully from small gang fleets without fear of being tackled and/or shot down.
2. Makes any type of fight or tackle on a small gate camp for instance worthless.
3. The only known method for for preventing this is dropping cans/drones on a gate to prevent thus said cloaking, which is considered a exploit.
4. Even a ceptor with full boosts has issues decloaking the target(and tackling it and not getting insta popped by gateguns).

1. ANY ship can move freely in high, lowsec, or nullsec(if no bubbles are present) without hinderance as long as it can fit these two modules.

1-2 seem perfectly fair given that there's no way sans alts for anyone to know that a gatecamp is on the other side.

3. is wrong. It's not an exploit unless you're dropping lag-inducing amounts of cans.

4. Depends heavily on how agile the ship is.




The only place where it even comes remotely close to free movement is high/lowsec...And given that they are supposed to be significantly safer than nullsec, this seems perfectly fair.. Additionally, fitting a t2 cloak to every ship is not reasonable. Generally having a cloak + MWD implies they specifically travel fit.




Holding territory in lowsec is supposed to be difficult. That's why it's lowsec, not sov 0.0.


******* seriously? Small gang warfare is broken because you can't easily gank people who specifically fit to dodge camps in a sector of space that is full of unavoidable pipes?

Fun Fact, you CAN catch them, watch your overview and screen, fit soem sensor boosters, most people arent good enough tog et the "insta-holy warp of invulnerability" you describe, adn in fact atke a second or 2 to get up, so use some sebo's and keep an eye out, throw a warp disruptor, target caught.

or better yet, leave your agtecamping in nullsec where you can egt a bubble up, ever think maybe the reason people only travel through your lowsec gatecamp witht this setup is ebcause your INCESSANT gatecamps have made it common to just assume your their? maybe if you actually FOUGHT people who WANTED a fight, you'd get more pewpew. stop complaining abotu not being able to catch people who try adn run when you dont want to put any effort into it.

Fighting people who want a fight?

/me insert generic go back to WoW comment here

Non consensual PvP is a concept Eve was built on, HTFU and live with it.

*EDIT: I forgot to actually reply to the OP.

so lets start on your weak counters.

1-2: So in your oppinion, any ship should be allowed free transit anywhere in high or low if they want to without having risk? Have you become a miner and now use this to transit your ore?
2: Lag inducing amount of cans are required to cover a gate to prevent cloaking and it is petitionable.
4: Yes it does, but the difference is, why should a player have to sacrifice a ship for something as rediculus as decloaking another to tackle it?

1. remotely close? thats really funny. If the person has any ounce of skill, they can easily do this with no issues in low or highsec.
2. Not so much for holding territory, more as for controlling traffic when non covert ops ships can easily slip by.

3. Perhaps small gang warefare as its entirety is not broken, BUT gatecamps(a part of a pirates career) becomes severely hampered by this. This removes the risk in people generating isk in lowsec, thus nerfing it as any carebear has the capability of using this.

All this coming from a man with under three hundred kills? Cute. Go back to ninja salvaging.

Random terrible points made by kahega which show terrible pvp knowledge

Ahh im done attempting to talk to you, it is the equivilant to speaking to a brick wall. I honestly cant take you seriously, and yes i know kahega is your main with most of your kills. Perhaps attempt to get a few more non faction war frig kills and i can take you a bit more seriously. Or of course, you could always just go back to ninja salvaging.

4. Why should a player have virtually zero chance of escaping a gatecamp that he could not possibly know about in advance without having a covops alt?

Map->statistics->average pilots in space.
Map->statistics->ships killed in last hour.
Map->statistics->podkills in last hour.

set autopilot for handy dandy line to help you see which systems to check.

Does not help you unless the gatecamp in question has existed for an hour or more just farming mails to generate these convenient statistics.

Issues that arise from this
1. Any ship can warp successfully from small gang fleets without fear of being tackled and/or shot down
2. Makes any type of fight or tackle on a small gate camp for instance worthless
3. The only known method for for preventing this is dropping cans/drones on a gate to prevent thus said cloaking, which is considered a exploit.
4. Even a ceptor with full boosts has issues decloaking the target(and tackling it and not getting insta popped by gateguns)

Reasons why it needs to be fixed
1. ANY ship can move freely in high, lowsec, or nullsec(if no bubbles are present) without hindrance as long as it can fit these two modules
2. Makes taking territory or laying claim to a area worthless in lowsec, as there is no means of controlling traffic
3. small gang warfare in lowsec is broken due to this
4. I sincerely doubt that the devs designed this module to become a free warp pass for any ship

Possible Fix
Make the improved or prototype cloaking device unable to activate when a propulsion module is active(lore wise "the cloak cannot be sustained due to its technological limitations"). Although for a covert ops cloak should not be effected by the change as they can warp anyways while cloaked as intended

What you are describing is not small gang warfare but gatecamp ganking
This is not an exploit but an intended mechanic to reduce ganking
Ganking is what wannabe PVPers do when they fail at PVP

I think the OP's point is that the ships that use the MWD trick all have specialised counterparts that are designed to get through gate camps, and that the MWD trick renders them somewhat pointless. I mean what's the point in T2 transports when you can fit a T1 cloak and a MWD to a normal hauler

This change would break the means by making the lowsec and nullsec into even more horrible deathtraps

PvP in Eve isn't always about elite pee vee pee, non-consensual PvP in Eve is just as valid a tactic and for the most part it is considerably more profitable.

I think the OP's point is that the ships that use the MWD trick all have specialised counterparts that are designed to get through gate camps, and that the MWD trick renders them somewhat pointless. I mean what's the point in T2 transports when you can fit a T1 cloak and a MWD to a normal hauler?

That being said, I still stand by my earlier statement that this isn't a particularly large issue.

/ftfy :)

Guys what do you mean I can't just sit on the gate with 5 drakes and an RSB'd hictor and kill EVERY SHIP that comes through?


Learn to decloak, you bads. And before you whine about BUT GATE GUNS, consider that the decloaking ship doesn't need to aggress anything.