This guy in 2 sentences exactly what I was trying to in like a thousand words.

Kudos on your conciseness sir.

And yes, EXACTLY this.

Hmm, I dunno, I still think people running gate camps should be using the ships designed for it. It's not like T2 transports, T3s etc. take long to train for. It just seems to me like a 10m isk indie ship shouldn't be running through a gatecamp unscathed

I honestly don't think disabling the trick would add much in the way of kills/losses either way, since people sensible enough to use it are probably sensible enough to swap ships/scout if the trick was nerfed. It's just a principle thing as far as I'm concerned

They already making fitting sacrifices to do this. Haulers can't do it at all (cant fit MWDs), and other ships that fit to use this technique are giving up tank/damagemods/cargo expanders/whatever to fit nanos/istabs (if they're doing it right) and recal time and scan res to fit the cloak. They are flying a ship "designed" to run camps. ....

They already making fitting sacrifices to do this. Haulers can't do it at all (cant fit MWDs), and other ships that fit to use this technique are giving up tank/damagemods/cargo expanders/whatever to fit nanos/istabs (if they're doing it right) and recal time and scan res to fit the cloak. They are flying a ship "designed" to run camps. ....

Good point, also spotting the rite direction of a ccp-device fix if pirates life becomes too uneconomical.
Just ramping up the "fitting-sacrifies" might do the job .... leaving room for haulers to enjoy this tactical finesse.

I think saying that a ship using this tactic is "as well off as a covops cloaked / covert-nullified ship" is exaggerating. A lot. Remember that using this trick requires you to wait out a full MWD cycle before you can warp, that MWD's do not fit on T1 haulers (IIRC), and that anyone using this trick in something big and slow is at immense risk of being quickly decloaked by any competent gate camp.

The ability of players to dock up and re-fit may be inconvenient to pirates, but the large numbers of NPC stations in lowsec is part of the design of those regions and shouldn't come as a surprise to pirates (who, if I'm not mistaken, also use and abuse their ability to dock wherever they please and to safely store their assets in perpetuity). If they don't want to put up with people using stations and these sorts of tactics, maybe they should move to 0.0 where stations are rarer, docking rights are restricted, and they can use bubbles to make things easier?

Also, I've seen T1 haulers use this trick so I presume it can be done with an AB or reactor controls/rigs.

The problem is that those using this trick on T1 ships aren't really sacrificing anything, since the number of stations in low sec allows any player to simply refit once they have reached their destination.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1036773#post1036773

I am under the impression that the orginal poster looks upon the warp trick from the side of a high sec pirate toon
But for a hauler-pilot in high sec, who wants to avoid pirate gate-camps, refitting isnt an option.

Well I move around a salvaging hurricane on this character with the MWD trick, I've never been caught even by quite large gate camps, so personally I wouldn't call it "immense risk".

All I can really say about this is that the people whose camp you jumped into are bad at EVE. You shouldn't balance the game based on how successfully retards can play it. My group kills people in nullsec all the time who jump into gatecamps in covert-cloaked ships. We even occasionally catch nullified T3 ships (in case you thought that bubbles make all the difference). All you need are a couple of good frigate pilots and you'll catch almost anything trying to pull the cloak / mwd trick.

And as I've said before in this thread the mwd trick is not really, in my experience, that commonly used. So it is unreasonable to expect people to come along in ships that will have to sit out in almost every engagement because they can neither fire nor tackle.

My opinion is simply that battle cruisers should not be able to run through gate camps unscathed. People should either scout, warp core stab them to hell, or combat fit them and hope they can make it back to gate of they jump into a fleet.