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Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:12:00 - [31] about 6 months ago there was a thread about the ship bonuses Repair v's Resist. The conclusion through maths was convincing and quite exact. Basically the resist bonuses out weigh repair bonuses for a long long time if its a small gang fight, then the repair bonus wins out by 2% or some such. In fleet fights, repair is just useless. What was suggested was that the gallente and minmatar go from a 7.5%/lvl repair bonus to a 10%/lvl repair bonus for their ships. The margin where the repair bonuses are then useful is greater and in gangs and smaller fleets the repair bonus is superior but in major fleet battles, resist is still king. This gives Caldari/Amarr and Gallente/Minmatar a distinct difference and both viable. As the Cyclone has such a bonus, this would improve its tank quite nicely. Beyond that, a small increase in agility and velocity would finish it off to be just fine.
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Nian Banks about 6 months ago there was a thread about the ship bonuses Repair v's Resist. The conclusion through maths was convincing and quite exact. Basically the resist bonuses out weigh repair bonuses for a long long time if its a small gang fight, then the repair bonus wins out by 2% or some such. In fleet fights, repair is just useless. What was suggested was that the gallente and minmatar go from a 7.5%/lvl repair bonus to a 10%/lvl repair bonus for their ships. The margin where the repair bonuses are then useful is greater and in gangs and smaller fleets the repair bonus is superior but in major fleet battles, resist is still king. This gives Caldari/Amarr and Gallente/Minmatar a distinct difference and both viable. As the Cyclone has such a bonus, this would improve its tank quite nicely. Beyond that, a small increase in agility and velocity would finish it off to be just fine. nice, i like it DEVS PLEASE; will you check it out? just... yes or no
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:58:00 - [33] Devs?
Flawliss Gallente Pilots of True Potential	Posted - 2008.10.30 05:39:00 - [34] For the cyclone since Minmatar already have a Gunnery BC, wouldnt it be preferable to have the cyclone go shield and more missile heavy then turret heavy? As far as split weapon bonuses, those who have read the few post i tent to actually contribute know that i dislike many parts of the split weapon system: Nil versitility because on average High slot total match or are only slightly under the total Hard point count. If you want Split weapon versitility then as example, 6 highslots should mean 4 Turrent HP and 4 Missile HP or some form of that. Also with split weapon boats you end up with split bonuses, which i think really hurt ships, Minmatar ships the most, but ships such as the Lachesis aswell. I think personally the Minmatar BC field could be improved with starker deferences, then just tank type, by changing weapon type.
Xailz Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.30 06:12:00 - [35] I gotta say i do love the Cyclone flew one alot back in the day but i do think it needs some love but the Prophecy more so i think the proph actually lacks a better tank at all and the dps is appalling iir i will have to look at eft again but yes +1 for Cyclone +1 for Prophacy Xailz Furthermore, this is actually apart of my signature ------
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.10.30 10:21:00 - [36] back to top, devs please respond
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.10.31 13:39:00 - [37] aaaaand... back on top
sdthujfg	Posted - 2008.10.31 16:50:00 - [38] Cyclone is fine. Prophecy is the most broken one by far.
ZigZag Joe Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.31 21:53:00 - [39] Originally by: sdthujfg Cyclone is fine. Prophecy is the most broken one by far. QFT a little more cpu would be okay, but then again, my 3% cpu implant fixes that nicely. so, cyclone is good, fix proph. (Yes, I fly cyclones on TQ. ftw)
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.11.03 09:49:00 - [40] Originally by: ZigZag Joe Originally by: sdthujfg Cyclone is fine. Prophecy is the most broken one by far. QFT bull** Originally by:** ZigZag Joe Yes, I fly cyclones on TQ. ftw) Throw me some kb links, would you?
ujjuj	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:24:00 - [41] Originally by: ZigZag Joe Yes, I fly cyclones on TQ. ftw) cba to relog on main http://killboard.atlas-alliance.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=73322&view=ships_weapons i dont' see any cyclones here and i can't seem to find your corp's kb
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.11.04 13:26:00 - [42] bump i will not let this thread die
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.11.05 07:55:00 - [43] The Cyclone makes for an excellent support damage/nice tank ship. Seriously. Roughly 510DPS (with Barrage M and CN Torrents) and about 450 DPS shield tank with nice resists. I suppose I could switch my fit up to use smaller guns and pack an XL booster in instead of the large, but this works out well for a support damage ship. - Ghost Train & Snowflake
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.11.05 11:40:00 - [44] Originally by: Triksterism The Cyclone makes for an excellent support damage/nice tank ship. Seriously. Roughly 510DPS (with Barrage M and CN Torrents) and about 450 DPS shield tank with nice resists. I suppose I could switch my fit up to use smaller guns and pack an XL booster in instead of the large, but this works out well for a support damage ship. would you please share your fitting with me? via eve-mail if you want. Even if i use damage drones i can't get anywhere near 500 DPS (my skills aren't all V, but my gunnery is almost maxed and my missiles are all on IV - V and my drones are all on IV) AFAIK cyclone can't solo for ****. It can kill only cruisers (i'm not counting in noobs thats houldn't be flying their ships or lolfits), and even than it's not a sure win (unlike ANY of the tier 2 battlecruisers or even lots of tier 1 - brutix is an awesome ship and ferox is great now - haven't flown or seen prophecy). I honestly don't see reason to fly it when i have cane for pimp and ruppie for ghetto work.
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.05 13:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Sumara Oooh Originally by: Nian Banks about 6 months ago there was a thread about the ship bonuses Repair v's Resist. The conclusion through maths was convincing and quite exact. Basically the resist bonuses out weigh repair bonuses for a long long time if its a small gang fight, then the repair bonus wins out by 2% or some such. In fleet fights, repair is just useless. What was suggested was that the gallente and minmatar go from a 7.5%/lvl repair bonus to a 10%/lvl repair bonus for their ships. The margin where the repair bonuses are then useful is greater and in gangs and smaller fleets the repair bonus is superior but in major fleet battles, resist is still king. This gives Caldari/Amarr and Gallente/Minmatar a distinct difference and both viable. As the Cyclone has such a bonus, this would improve its tank quite nicely. Beyond that, a small increase in agility and velocity would finish it off to be just fine. nice, i like it DEVS PLEASE; will you check it out? just... yes or no this. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:34:00 - [46] Edited by: Triksterism on 05/11/2008 16:41:05 Thanks to my corp mate and friend Nail Bunny29 for whipping this up. Quote: [Cyclone, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Co-Processor II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x3 Warrior II x2 My skills --> http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=Mzk2MTg5NzM1 - Ghost Train & Snowflake
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.11.06 09:57:00 - [47] Edited by: Sumara Oooh on 06/11/2008 10:00:48 Originally by: Triksterism Edited by: Triksterism on 05/11/2008 16:41:05 Thanks to my corp mate and friend Nail Bunny29 for whipping this up. Quote: [Cyclone, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Co-Processor II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x3 Warrior II x2 Umm... this is all nice but, dude, no propulsion and no tackle gear whatsoever? And you call this a ship? I mean, if it had another mid, than one could stick mwd and scram on it, downgrading guns, and it'd be decent. THIS way.. it's a nice toy without any use outside its veeeeery specific and narrow niche. Honestly, fitted liek that, you believe it's a good ship? edit: feck, fitted like that (no propulsion) i don't see ANY use of it at all. if it had a mwd it could be a nice thing to fly witha friend in an inty, but than again, no tackle makes me a sad panda (and kills urge to fly it). IT'S A SEXY SHIP PLEASE DEVS SHARE SOME LOVE
Tnam Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:06:00 - [48] As long as it remains an active shield tanking ship it will always be terrible in pvp, Sleipnir is a bit of an exception because it has only just become really bad in this patch up until then it was quite good at 1 vs 1.
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.11.06 15:05:00 - [49] Originally by: Sumara Oooh Edited by: Sumara Oooh on 06/11/2008 10:00:48 Originally by: Triksterism Edited by: Triksterism on 05/11/2008 16:41:05 Thanks to my corp mate and friend Nail Bunny29 for whipping this up. Quote: [Cyclone, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Co-Processor II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x3 Warrior II x2 Umm... this is all nice but, dude, no propulsion and no tackle gear whatsoever? And you call this a ship? I mean, if it had another mid, than one could stick mwd and scram on it, downgrading guns, and it'd be decent. THIS way.. it's a nice toy without any use outside its veeeeery specific and narrow niche. Honestly, fitted liek that, you believe it's a good ship? edit: feck, fitted like that (no propulsion) i don't see ANY use of it at all. if it had a mwd it could be a nice thing to fly witha friend in an inty, but than again, no tackle makes me a sad panda (and kills urge to fly it). IT'S A SEXY SHIP PLEASE DEVS SHARE SOME LOVE I mentioned that it is a SUPPORT SHIP. It doesn't need propulsion or tackle because, guess what? It supports (tank/damage) With barrage it gets range (if needed) and you can, of course, switch to a closer ammo if need be all the while tanking quite nicely. - Ghost Train & Snowflake
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Triksterism Originally by: Sumara Oooh Edited by: Sumara Oooh on 06/11/2008 10:00:48 Originally by: Triksterism Edited by: Triksterism on 05/11/2008 16:41:05 Thanks to my corp mate and friend Nail Bunny29 for whipping this up. Quote: [Cyclone, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Co-Processor II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x3 Warrior II x2 Umm... this is all nice but, dude, no propulsion and no tackle gear whatsoever? And you call this a ship? I mean, if it had another mid, than one could stick mwd and scram on it, downgrading guns, and it'd be decent. THIS way.. it's a nice toy without any use outside its veeeeery specific and narrow niche. Honestly, fitted liek that, you believe it's a good ship? edit: feck, fitted like that (no propulsion) i don't see ANY use of it at all. if it had a mwd it could be a nice thing to fly witha friend in an inty, but than again, no tackle makes me a sad panda (and kills urge to fly it). IT'S A SEXY SHIP PLEASE DEVS SHARE SOME LOVE I mentioned that it is a SUPPORT SHIP. It doesn't need propulsion or tackle because, guess what? It supports (tank/damage) With barrage it gets range (if needed) and you can, of course, switch to a closer ammo if need be all the while tanking quite nicely. And now give me ONE REASON to fly it instead of Hurricane. When i fit it like that 10mil difference in hull price is trivial.
Tnam Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:04:00 - [51] Originally by: Sumara Oooh And now give me ONE REASON to fly it instead of Hurricane. When i fit it like that 10mil difference in hull price is trivial. There are 2 reasons: 1. you are less likely to be called primary. 2. you have a vested interest in looking like a noob. seriously tho, you can use a cyclone as a bait ship and it does kinda work as one even though its only cap stable for about 3 rep cycles. It doesn't change that its a seriously bad ship tho.
Sumara Oooh	Posted - 2008.11.10 11:35:00 - [52] bump devs say something
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.10 11:49:00 - [53] just forget that it exists like tempest and meal ;] Quote: It's not a good idea to place a Exotic Dancers in a Giant Secure Container. The Exotic Dancers will not survive intact, if transported in such a container.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.10 11:54:00 - [54] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 10/11/2008 11:56:19 Originally by: Sumara Oooh And now give me ONE REASON to fly it instead of Hurricane. When i fit it like that 10mil difference in hull price is trivial. Because a hurricane is ARMOR tanked and a cyclone is SHIELD tanked? People that have better shield tanking skills might go for the cyclone until they got the armor tanking skills done. You might also be in a gang with only shield logistics and therefor choose a shield tanking BC to roam with. Now think about harbinger vs prophecy. There is NO REASON at all to fly the prophecy. Both armor tank and are similar except that the harbinger outdamages it by stupid amounts AND (yes! AND) harbinger even TANKS better (and has 4 mids). If you think your cyclone is broken because of lack of role, the prophecy is in a seperate dimension of brokenness. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.10 12:23:00 - [55] cyclone is worst in everything than huricane ;] Quote: It's not a good idea to place a Exotic Dancers in a Giant Secure Container. The Exotic Dancers will not survive intact, if transported in such a container.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.10 12:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Kalintos Tyl cyclone is worst in everything than huricane ;] Nope. Not at shield tanking. Wich make cyclone way more useful then a prophecy. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.10 13:07:00 - [57] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/11/2008 13:07:55 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Kalintos Tyl cyclone is worst in everything than huricane ;] Nope. Not at shield tanking. Wich make cyclone way more useful then a prophecy. At the non-useless part of shield tanking - which is buffer tanking - it's only marginally useful then the Hurricane. While sucking at everything else, so meh. That said, it IS more useful then the Prophecy (which is in need of a boost), but to be honest all Tier 1 BCs could use some overall loving and, in cases of some, fixing their roles a bit (Prophecy mainly). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.10 13:34:00 - [58] Yes, I forgot to mention it. Ofcourse pretty much all tier 1 BCs need to be looked at. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise
Dracborne H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.10 20:34:00 - [59] Edited by: Dracborne on 10/11/2008 20:34:49 I have an absurd fascination/love for the Cyclone hull and I'd love to see it become a viable option for PVP, instead of always defaulting to the Hurricane when selecting a BC. As it stands now I have to get my fix with the Sleipnir. -----------------------------------

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