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NubEdition
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.03 04:56:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:NubEdition wrote:they just have to be a snakey ******* that doesn't have issues sleeping at night after doing something completely immoral Keep in mind the people can be very different from their characters. How was it put recently ... Liang Nuren wrote:For those who are unaware, the typical GÇ£carebearGÇ¥ argument goes that someoneGÇÖs avatar is an in game extension of themselves. As a general rule, people adopting this stance bring their real life morals into the game and expect everyone else to play by what they perceive the rules of the game to be. They tend work within the rules of the monopoly-sandbox to create and to build. To them, IGÇÖm unable to hide behind the name GÇ£Liang NurenGÇ¥ when I suicide gank their hulk in high sec. To them, I become a morally bankrupt terrorist with no purpose in life save to destroy years of someone elseGÇÖs hard work. To them, I was simply fulfilling my deepest, darkest, most twisted fantasies of achieving power and ultimate control over my fellow human. They fully believe that I would do depraved and unspeakable things in person to real people if given the opportunity and a reasonable guarantee of a lack of personal consequence.
However, I do not believe this to be the case. Its simply that one of the most basic skills of Eve Online is discerning what is real vs what is not real. People who are not capable of this distinction are frequently at extreme odds with the community as a whole and are frequently encouraged to leave the community. They tend not to stay long GÇô both because of self selection and constant encouragement. Really, I think this is for the best all around because I donGÇÖt want to be anywhere near someone who isnGÇÖt able to personally distinguish between what is real and what isnGÇÖt. Just because I blew up your 80 billion ISK / $4,000 USD Titan doesnGÇÖt mean that you should make it your real lifeGÇÖs work to destroy mine GÇô by virtue of destroying my professional career or killing me/my family/my dog. Its just that us building things and blowing up each otherGÇÖs ships is part of the game and not any more interesting to the real life law than me stealing your hotel in our game of monopoly GÇô even if you paid for it with real life dollars (bad you).
As a reply to what you said earlier --- I have just over 20 mill and an insured mission ship along with a fitted out salvager. I'll probably keep my hauler around too just for utility work in the Orca. It's a pretty low starting point, but I will have plenty of cash once I sell my carebears.
Now on to what you said just now....There's really no way of telling if the person that just scammed you/ganked you is morally bankrupt though, and that argument doesn't really make sense to me. Yes most stable minded adults can manage to roleplay, but what about those who aren't taking that standpoint? If they can get away with being a thief, liar, etc. on EVE whats to stop them from moving that into their real life (if it isn't there already)? I'm probably going to have more than just a few choice words for the guy that scammed me if i find him trying to break into my house next week. Also what does that say about me after just being scammed and deciding to turn to the bad guy...? The wonderful world of psychology :) |
Ai Shun
570
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:00:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:Now on to what you said just now....There's really no way of telling if the person that just scammed you/ganked you is morally bankrupt though, and that argument doesn't really make sense to me. Yes most stable minded adults can manage to roleplay, but what about those who aren't taking that standpoint? If they can get away with being a thief, liar, etc. on EVE whats to stop them from moving that into their real life (if it isn't there already)? I'm probably going to have more than just a few choice words for the guy that scammed me if i find him trying to break into my house next week. Also what does that say about me after just being scammed and deciding to turn to the bad guy...? The wonderful world of psychology :)
Heh. I'll say this; I played a Tauren when I played World of Warcraft. I've not yet felt an overwhelming urge to regurgitate some grass or moo at the daisies. |
NubEdition
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:01:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:get scammed and killed because of own stupidity make "i'm quitting because you guys played the game and i lost" post
if you have the skills and knowhow making isk isn't so hard that it will take you years to make up for your hulk loss... every subcap ship can be bought in a few months if you just run missions a few times a day... i don't see the big deal.
Don't you care for any of the context behind it? Not to mention I've already admitted my stupidity in investing all my isk and ships into a fairytale. Whats the point of posting if only to troll? :P Coming back with a vengeance btw if you failed to read. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1376
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:01:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:NubEdition wrote:they just have to be a snakey ******* that doesn't have issues sleeping at night after doing something completely immoral Keep in mind the people can be very different from their characters. How was it put recently ... Liang Nuren wrote:For those who are unaware, the typical GÇ£carebearGÇ¥ argument goes that someoneGÇÖs avatar is an in game extension of themselves. As a general rule, people adopting this stance bring their real life morals into the game and expect everyone else to play by what they perceive the rules of the game to be. They tend work within the rules of the monopoly-sandbox to create and to build. To them, IGÇÖm unable to hide behind the name GÇ£Liang NurenGÇ¥ when I suicide gank their hulk in high sec. To them, I become a morally bankrupt terrorist with no purpose in life save to destroy years of someone elseGÇÖs hard work. To them, I was simply fulfilling my deepest, darkest, most twisted fantasies of achieving power and ultimate control over my fellow human. They fully believe that I would do depraved and unspeakable things in person to real people if given the opportunity and a reasonable guarantee of a lack of personal consequence.
However, I do not believe this to be the case. Its simply that one of the most basic skills of Eve Online is discerning what is real vs what is not real. People who are not capable of this distinction are frequently at extreme odds with the community as a whole and are frequently encouraged to leave the community. They tend not to stay long GÇô both because of self selection and constant encouragement. Really, I think this is for the best all around because I donGÇÖt want to be anywhere near someone who isnGÇÖt able to personally distinguish between what is real and what isnGÇÖt. Just because I blew up your 80 billion ISK / $4,000 USD Titan doesnGÇÖt mean that you should make it your real lifeGÇÖs work to destroy mine GÇô by virtue of destroying my professional career or killing me/my family/my dog. Its just that us building things and blowing up each otherGÇÖs ships is part of the game and not any more interesting to the real life law than me stealing your hotel in our game of monopoly GÇô even if you paid for it with real life dollars (bad you).
well are they ? That is an question. I would be destroyer of the worlds, if i have that chance, i would kill every life cell in universe if i have that chance. But i will simply never archieve that power so .. Instead i am just an whiner Weak, pathetic "human" being.
Difference between tyrant and victim is opportunity. |
NubEdition
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:02:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:NubEdition wrote:Now on to what you said just now....There's really no way of telling if the person that just scammed you/ganked you is morally bankrupt though, and that argument doesn't really make sense to me. Yes most stable minded adults can manage to roleplay, but what about those who aren't taking that standpoint? If they can get away with being a thief, liar, etc. on EVE whats to stop them from moving that into their real life (if it isn't there already)? I'm probably going to have more than just a few choice words for the guy that scammed me if i find him trying to break into my house next week. Also what does that say about me after just being scammed and deciding to turn to the bad guy...? The wonderful world of psychology :) Heh. I'll say this; I played a Tauren when I played World of Warcraft. I've not yet felt an overwhelming urge to regurgitate some grass or moo at the daisies.
Well that makes two of us. Lets just hope for the best when it comes to the rest of mankind. |
Ai Shun
570
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:03:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:Don't you care for any of the context behind it? Not to mention I've already admitted my stupidity in investing all my isk and ships into a fairytale. Whats the point of posting if only to troll? :P Coming back with a vengeance btw if you failed to read.
He's just herping your derp. |
NubEdition
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:04:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:NubEdition wrote:Don't you care for any of the context behind it? Not to mention I've already admitted my stupidity in investing all my isk and ships into a fairytale. Whats the point of posting if only to troll? :P Coming back with a vengeance btw if you failed to read. He's just herping your derp.
And I'm just antagonizing a troll. |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
59
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:08:00 -
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So....you are back? |
NubEdition
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:15:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:So....you are back?
Yes, I changed that in the o.p. too so people can stop getting confused on that part lol. I quit...then came back 10 minutes later XD |
Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
495
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:15:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:Ai Shun wrote:NubEdition wrote:My first and last time being screwed over on EVE...Now I find myself wanting to be the bad guy just to prove a point? Is this the goal of EVE I wonder? To the one....or entity i should say that scammed me: My combat pilot is now active again and I'm selling EVERYTHING carebear on my accounts. Characters included. Good luck, I now have lots and lots of cash, time, and anger at my disposal....
I should also refer back to whoever said "you'll be back" because I hate to admit your right. Oh and keep being assholes guys, I have lots n lots of bullets as well as room on my "who's next list" :) Again, how did you get scammed? The usual recruitment scheme....put too much faith in the fact that it was TEST, and that's where I was wrong. Bigger isn't always better/safer :P.
Ah I see where you went wrong, YOU TRUSTED SOME BODY. Especially Somebody trying to recruitment you. Recruiters are not to be trusted, certainly not the guys that claim they will help you move your stuff, always ask for collateral or fly with them for a few months before trusting anyone with all your stuff. Or move your stuff yourself.
You also need to do some research, if you had you would have discovered that GÇ£TestGÇ¥ is the new GÇ£GoonGÇ¥ wannabeGÇÖs. Their practically butt brothers. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1390
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:18:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:Hmmmm my last forum post ever on the EVE forums this should be interesting. I leave now after being cleaned out through stupidity on my part mainly, but more so the pure greed seen in almost every EVE player. I'm so sick of the scams, spam, and beggars it makes me sick. Take a step back from EVE and all you see is big entities walking over everyone else with complete disregard. I just resubbed to come back to EVE and have a good time and in less than 3 days its over. I'm glad this happened actually, it opened my eyes and made me realize this game is just something to laugh at. Get out while you can :P -Nub P.S. - That really wasn't that interesting after all....looking back it reminds me of my time in EVE. P.S.S. - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sze9mWNOy4g/TqYseVEt93I/AAAAAAAAA4w/8SAYpd7s7AI/s1600/middle+finger.jpg Sorry to hear that. Didn't bother to read anything else in this thread..
Probably would have been better to just post that in a petition to CCP instead of here in troll city.
o7 goodluck |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:18:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:Radelix Cisko wrote:So....you are back? Yes, I changed that in the o.p. too so people can stop getting confused on that part lol. I quit...then came back 10 minutes later XD
Sweet, I look forward to shooting you someday
(in game of course) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
408
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:20:00 -
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Epiphaniess wrote: if you had you would have discovered that GÇ£TestGÇ¥ is the new GÇ£GoonGÇ¥ wannabeGÇÖs. Their practically butt brothers. TEST are allies who live in Fountain. They do pretty well down there.
They really love subcaps. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
NubEdition
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:21:00 -
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Epiphaniess wrote:NubEdition wrote:Ai Shun wrote:NubEdition wrote:My first and last time being screwed over on EVE...Now I find myself wanting to be the bad guy just to prove a point? Is this the goal of EVE I wonder? To the one....or entity i should say that scammed me: My combat pilot is now active again and I'm selling EVERYTHING carebear on my accounts. Characters included. Good luck, I now have lots and lots of cash, time, and anger at my disposal....
I should also refer back to whoever said "you'll be back" because I hate to admit your right. Oh and keep being assholes guys, I have lots n lots of bullets as well as room on my "who's next list" :) Again, how did you get scammed? The usual recruitment scheme....put too much faith in the fact that it was TEST, and that's where I was wrong. Bigger isn't always better/safer :P. Ah I see where you went wrong, YOU TRUSTED SOME BODY. Especially Somebody trying to recruitment you. Recruiters are not to be trusted, certainly not the guys that claim they will help you move your stuff, always ask for collateral or fly with them for a few months before trusting anyone with all your stuff. Or move your stuff yourself. You also need to do some research, if you had you would have discovered that GÇ£TestGÇ¥ is the new GÇ£GoonGÇ¥ wannabeGÇÖs. Their practically butt brothers.
And this is why you don't come back into EVE after 5 months and assume everything will go great! I'll take note of that about them in the future.... |
Hroya
23
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:22:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:Hmmmm my last forum post ever on the EVE forums this should be interesting. I leave now after being cleaned out through stupidity on my part mainly, but more so the pure greed seen in almost every EVE player. I'm so sick of the scams, spam, and beggars it makes me sick. Take a step back from EVE and all you see is big entities walking over everyone else with complete disregard. I just resubbed to come back to EVE and have a good time and in less than 3 days its over. I'm glad this happened actually, it opened my eyes and made me realize this game is just something to laugh at. Get out while you can :P -Nub P.S. - That really wasn't that interesting after all....looking back it reminds me of my time in EVE. P.S.S. - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sze9mWNOy4g/TqYseVEt93I/AAAAAAAAA4w/8SAYpd7s7AI/s1600/middle+finger.jpgP.S.S.S. - Yes, I'm back.....wrote the original post out of frustration/anger. I'm here and guns blazing...watch out carebears, I know how you operate.... (jk I still <3 you all, keep making me ships)
And you went for a scam that promised you riches, wealth and top end gameplay ? oki i get it, it is never enough. thanks.
You go your corridor but. |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:23:00 -
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See? That's what happens if you try to play EVE interacting with other players... |
NubEdition
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:26:00 -
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Hroya wrote:NubEdition wrote:Hmmmm my last forum post ever on the EVE forums this should be interesting. I leave now after being cleaned out through stupidity on my part mainly, but more so the pure greed seen in almost every EVE player. I'm so sick of the scams, spam, and beggars it makes me sick. Take a step back from EVE and all you see is big entities walking over everyone else with complete disregard. I just resubbed to come back to EVE and have a good time and in less than 3 days its over. I'm glad this happened actually, it opened my eyes and made me realize this game is just something to laugh at. Get out while you can :P -Nub P.S. - That really wasn't that interesting after all....looking back it reminds me of my time in EVE. P.S.S. - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sze9mWNOy4g/TqYseVEt93I/AAAAAAAAA4w/8SAYpd7s7AI/s1600/middle+finger.jpgP.S.S.S. - Yes, I'm back.....wrote the original post out of frustration/anger. I'm here and guns blazing...watch out carebears, I know how you operate.... (jk I still <3 you all, keep making me ships) And you went for a scam that promised you riches, wealth and top end gameplay ? oki i get it, it is never enough. thanks.
It wasn't even that rofl, just a nullsec home and that's all I was after. Now I guess I just get to run around being a null sec/wormhole nomad. |
Hroya
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:33:00 -
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Why a nomad ? Lost trust in people in this game or what ?
It are just pixels friend. Your reall assets are in your friendslist and/or corproster. You will allways get scammed, robbed and left for dead in here. Doesnt really matter now does it ?
Enjoy the good, accept the bad and continue your game. There is more to it then the occassional nosebleed.
You go your corridor but. |
NubEdition
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:36:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:NubEdition wrote:Radelix Cisko wrote:So....you are back? Yes, I changed that in the o.p. too so people can stop getting confused on that part lol. I quit...then came back 10 minutes later XD Sweet, I look forward to shooting you someday (in game of course)
I'll take that as a compliment as bad as it sounds ^^. I also hope we can meet sometime for a good fight.
Hroya wrote:Why a nomad ? Lost trust in people in this game or what ?
It are just pixels friend. Your reall assets are in your friendslist and/or corproster. You will allways get scammed, robbed and left for dead in here. Doesnt really matter now does it ?
Enjoy the good, accept the bad and continue your game. There is more to it then the occassional nosebleed.
It was more like my brains being ripped out of my head through my nose if that's what you meant....I have nothing left on my carebears, only my combat pilot with his current ship, standings, and good Minmatar looks.
Edit - You could say I've lost trust....25% of the people I've played with in EVE were fun and helpful, and the rest....well one succeeded obviously. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
408
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:42:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:Edit - You could say I've lost trust....25% of the people I've played with in EVE were fun and helpful, and the rest....well one succeeded obviously. Standing of EVE Community Has fallen: -0.02
I must add though, it's amusing to see ssome of the scams in Jita. There's not really any new ones, are there... Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
589
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:43:00 -
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Anyone smart enough to scam me out my ISK/assets deserves it more than I do. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
46
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:00:00 -
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This thread shows a bit of what EVE is about, you screw up, hopefully learn from the lesson and move on. Those that can't or won't learn from the lessons won't do well, hopefully this change of direction serves you well.
As Gerry Rafferty said, if you get it wrong, you get it right next time. Words I live by Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon. |
Ai Shun
570
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:13:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:This thread shows a bit of what EVE is about, you screw up, hopefully learn from the lesson and move on. Those that can't or won't learn from the lessons won't do well, hopefully this change of direction serves you well.
And a very good player mentality. Get up, fight back and make the bastards pay.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2972
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:43:00 -
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Good luck with whatever you are up to next o/
/c
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Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:46:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:P.S.S.S. - Yes, I'm back.....wrote the original post out of frustration/anger. I'm here and guns blazing...watch out carebears, I know how you operate.... (jk I still <3 you all, keep making me ships) Pulled a total reversal in just a few hours.... You need to pick a mood and stick with it, because you sound like a girl on her period. |
Jonah Gravenstein
101
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Posted - 2012.04.03 07:03:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:
Yes, I changed that in the o.p. too so people can stop getting confused on that part lol. I quit...then came back 10 minutes later XD
Aside from my obligatory stuff post on page 1, WB to Eve (for quite possibly the 2nd time in a day , 'tis a game like no other and more addictive than crack.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Peter Raptor
Knights of Gallifrae
46
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Posted - 2012.04.03 07:08:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:Hmmmm my last forum post ever on the EVE forums this should be interesting. I leave now after being cleaned out through stupidity on my part mainly, but more so the pure greed seen in almost every EVE player. I'm so sick of the scams, spam, and beggars it makes me sick. Take a step back from EVE and all you see is big entities walking over everyone else with complete disregard. I just resubbed to come back to EVE and have a good time and in less than 3 days its over. I'm glad this happened actually, it opened my eyes and made me realize this game is just something to laugh at. Get out while you can :P -Nub P.S. - That really wasn't that interesting after all....looking back it reminds me of my time in EVE. P.S.S. - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sze9mWNOy4g/TqYseVEt93I/AAAAAAAAA4w/8SAYpd7s7AI/s1600/middle+finger.jpgP.S.S.S. - Yes, I'm back.....wrote the original post out of frustration/anger. I'm here and guns blazing...watch out carebears, I know how you operate.... (jk I still <3 you all, keep making me ships)
Who are you and how did you find planet earth?
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
519
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Posted - 2012.04.03 07:55:00 -
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NubEdition wrote:I think my point was made literally within the first reply...have fun jerking off to each other in your online chatroom. Make sure they don't steal your **** though these bastards just get more and more creative... o7
Have you been visiting Jade Constantines 'special interest' channels? I imagine that would make anyone quit... Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
574
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Posted - 2012.04.03 08:01:00 -
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best post ever, it has a real storybook quality to it.
Beginning in desperation and climaxing to anger and the rising once again "phoenix like" from the ashes of his own failure.
10/10
Bravo
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:09:00 -
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Ranting is not allowed on our forums.
Thread locked. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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