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Phasics Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:53:00 - [1] Well not really a competition just yet. None of these are even out yet. However the space MMO scene is set to get alot more crowded. Wondering what you guys think on how EVE is positioned for the long run, against a more hotly contested MMO space buck. Yes these are different games, with differnt play styles, but the "space MMO genre" will draw a play style independent crowd. Will EVE hold onto it current market share ? P.S this thread is about EVE and how it will fair in the years to come. Finger crossed this doesn't degenerate into a X better than Y thread.
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:56:00 - [2] Edited by: RedSplat on 28/10/2008 12:56:59 You think recent game changes haven't been taking this in account? Competition is GOOD for EVE. Good for us.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:58:00 - [3] WoW, 'nuff said. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.28 12:58:00 - [4] EVE > SWTOR > Stargate > Jumpgate > Star Trek That's how I'd organize it at least. That's making an awful lot of assumptions about all of the non-EVE games. I think Stargate might have the odd interesting tidbit in there, after seeing this. Gameplay will probably end up like Tabula Rasa or something. Star Trek is going to be trash. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:01:00 - [5] Judging by the awesome impact Tabula Rasa had on EVE market share numbers..... EVE is EVE, it's has it's own genre. Not generic space MMO #546. It's always going to be a marmite game.
aliasuk	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:07:00 - [6] er eve.... has only gone from strength to strength, players in eve take a 'break' from it but eve has something about it that no other game has come even close to.
Phasics Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:09:00 - [7] Originally by: RedSplat Edited by: RedSplat on 28/10/2008 12:56:59 You think recent game changes haven't been taking this in account? Do I ? did I say that somewhere ? Could sworn I was just asking for opinions on what you guys think.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:11:00 - [8] Well it's not an if or situation. You can be subscribed to the games you like. Jumpgate wont be popular. It's a skill based game. Similar to X3 Reunion-Terran Conflict. Afaik there's no big ships... it's all little fighters. Which is gay. I want to be sitting inside my epic giant battlestardestroyer and be smoking **** and stuff. SWTOR isnt even space is it? My understanding is that it's pretty much mmog of the Kotor games. Stargate has some real good potential... but honestly... Goauld pretty much have 1 type of ship for each class. Earth only has 1 ship. Asguard same... So honestly... space cant be a big deal. It's all based around fps planet fighting and such. Star Trek is really the only competitor... but due to the factor that star trek is a very big label, they will draw everyone and generally need to craft the game around being a total moron like WoW does. The player combat on planets and such will very likely be rpg turnbased. Where your aim is done for you and such. Similar to kotor. Ship combat will likely be crapped out based on the fact that you as captain are the only player onboard. You cant have friends running around the ship repairing things. Eve online will continue to be in a class of itself. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
Phasics Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Jason Edwards SWTOR isnt even space is it? My understanding is that it's pretty much mmog of the Kotor games. we know so very little at the moment but we can hope, it is Bioware afterall
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:28:00 - [10] do SWTOR and Stargate even feature internet spaceships pewpew ?
No Homo Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:36:00 - [11] Edited by: No Homo on 28/10/2008 13:36:15 Originally by: Jason EdwardsShip combat will likely be crapped out based on the fact that you as captain are the only player onboard. You cant have friends running around the ship repairing things. Yeah games like this are really stupid. ohwait... Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected]
Bimjo Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:48:00 - [12] The only rival would be I:QFE(LINK HERE) but infinity wil be twitch based,so a different kettle of fish,also the development of it is painfully slow,unless the sole programmer(and owner) gets some help(which he won't) oh and hello to Mr. Sarcasm himself on those forums, Irashi
SghnDubh BattleClinic	Posted - 2008.10.28 13:59:00 - [13] Over at BattleClinic, we look at each "sci fi" MMO that comes out and decide if we're going to invest resources to support it. We passed on RGTR because there was no PVP and because during our testing inside the Friends and Family beta, it was clear to us that the game wasn't going to have the kind of combat system, depth, or reach that other MMOs aspire toward. While the same could be said for EVE when it started out, TR just "felt" like it won't grow into anything more. We are currently testing StarGate Worlds. We're frankly dubious. The combat system, while still being stabilized admittedly, seems somehow indirect. In EVE you grow to appreciate that, but you're also flying a large space ship so the conceit works. But fighting with an avatar should feel more responsive and more like you're in control of your character, and in my personal subjective opinion I just somehow feel out of control in SGW. I haven't tested the game far enough to know if they've dropped the "fear" aspect that was in early builds of the game, but I hope the devs have. I don't ever want "fear" imposed on my character in game. I have enough fear in real life, just posting on EVE-O forums for example. BattleClinic is planning on supporting Jumpgate Evolution fully. We think it will be a fun game that will be less--uh--stressful than EVE, but still allow the depth and enjoyment that an MMO should bring. Although we were a little concerned about the move to CodeMasters, we think in the long run this is better for JGE because it keeps the dev's eye on the game ball not the marketing and publicity ball. Of course CM has a mixed track record of good titles, but we're optimistic that Hermann and his crew will deliver a fun game. We're VERY much looking forward to supporting SWTOR under the condition that the storyline is as good as KOTOR's was. We're intrigued that you'll start as a full Jedi. At least that's the dev's plans right now. And since BattleClinic first started out as a support site for StarFleet Command games, we're total Trek geeks and we'll support STO even if it (touch wood) ends up with the same curse as most previous trek games. Sigh. We'll see. Timecodes: http://shop.BattleClinic.com
Siona Windweaver	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:07:00 - [14] Jumpgate = LOL Auto assault / WASD spaceships KotOR Online = EA + MMO = LOL + Bioware = Maybe. Star Trek Online = Carebear Nerf Trek Online (Cryptic) Stargate Worlds = LOL Hellgate I also got CB for few of these titles, and can say they aren't really big titles, I don't really have much hope for them. Best they can achieve is creating enough hype to have a launch similar to WAR, then start loosing players like AoC and continue their life as non-advertised MMOs. Only one looks promising is KotOR Online, and that's sad because Bioware doesn't know much about MMO's.
Ben Stark	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:09:00 - [15] There is Beyond Protocol for those that like RTSs, it has both space and land combat. Theres Vendetta online, theres Dark Space online. There are more space based sci fi mmo games out there.
LancashireUK Caldari Paradigm Rise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:09:00 - [16] Competition will keep CCP focussed on giving a professional service and working hard on enhancements to the game. ------ Killboard Hosting - www.eveonlinekb.com Paradigm Rise Corp - www.paradigmrise.com
Norantio	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:10:00 - [17] All I have to say is have you seen star trek online? It looks really really really bad so far...
Ben Stark	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:10:00 - [18] Jumpgate is not wsad spaceships, its joystick based like wingcommander and privateer were.
Sprobe Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:13:00 - [19] Edited by: Sprobe on 28/10/2008 14:13:28 Originally by: Siona Windweaver Jumpgate = LOL Auto assault / WASD spaceships Only one looks promising is KotOR Online, and that's sad because Bioware doesn't know much about MMO's. I'd rather play 1000 newcomer mmorpgs than funcom/blizzard/codemasters different versions of the same WoW. So KOTOR will rock.. I know some OR stories from comics, they are superior in every way over what we know as Star Wars IV-VI. Star Trek - I have my doubts if one can accomplish what seems to be a perfect exploration game. If they pull it off, it will rock. Jumpgate - if the dynamics of in-space combat are mixed well enough with a good virtual economoy.. well, it's not eve. but it's worth having a look at. EVE > KOTOR > Star Trek Online > Jumpgate edit: I left out stargate by purpose, it's a shooter. never to old to play
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Phasics None of these are even out yet. Yeah I can't wait for that game "EVE". Supposedly it's going to have awesome forum pvp! Scared of the events forum?
Tiggerty	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:15:00 - [21] I'm all set to move to Jumpgate if it turns out okay after the Beta. Keenly watching that one. STO will probably suck, though Stargate and TOR I'm keeping a eye on a little. Probably a no on both, but meh, you never know.
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:36:00 - [22] Jumpgate - From what I've seen you grind missions to get standings to buy gear (which is fairly cheap). No skills, other than how well you can work a joystick and what you have fitted to your ship. Sounds good but the slightest bit of lag will **** up your aim - it'll be just like an FPS, only in space. Those with >50ms ping need not apply. The gear system, if I'm correct about it, seems to make character development a non-feature. It might be great. I think it's a lot more likely to be lousy but I'll wait and see. I have a sneaking suspicion that it'll end up being more like Subspace with 3D graphics, which would be awesome but most definitely not and MMORPG. Star Trek - This game, from what I've seen, has all the trappings of "We're going to royally **** up a big name IP" syndrome that's been rampant among MMOs. It seems to be the MMO version of the Crappy Movie Video Game that some of us were unfortunate to have to live through in the late 80s and 90s, and probably take just as long to sort out. The new Star Wars game - Lucas Arts has public stated more than once that they want a Star Wars MMO that will pull in WoW-level sub numbers. If they want the WoW crowd they can have it, I won't be there. Don't know too much about the other games you mentioned. Personally, as a huge fantasy dork that's somehow found himself stuck flying a spaceship ('cause Eve is a great game in its own right) I'm looking forward to Aion, though of course I'll still keep my Eve sub up 'cause I'm sure it'll get old fairly quickly, like all level-based games do. ---
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:47:00 - [23] Originally by: SghnDubh don't ever want "fear" imposed on my character in game. I have enough fear in real life, just posting on EVE-O forums for example. lurking gruelike in the darkness -- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Varrakk Phantom Squad	Posted - 2008.10.28 14:54:00 - [24] I dont think these games will take many players from EVE. But I expect them to boost the Sci-Fi genre, and maybe bring some to EVE. Always someone that wants to play in the big-boys-league.
Bimjo Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.10.28 15:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Varrakk I dont think these games will take many players from EVE. don't be too sure of that,already there are quite a few EVE players on the "Infinity:Quest for earth" forums. The graphics,transition from space to atmosphere,ships,gameplay and other features make it a good candidate for turning out to be a decent MMORPG. End of the day if it is an awesome game I will play both it and EVE
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.10.28 15:40:00 - [26] Edited by: Misanth on 28/10/2008 15:44:10 Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Phasics None of these are even out yet. Yeah I can't wait for that game "EVE". Supposedly it's going to have awesome forum pvp! Forum PvP is underrated. Also, this is like my very own corpchat, except it's strangers and I got to be less flirty with males. Edit; on topic, I think the truth is somewhere in the posts above mine. EVE is very different from other mmo's for many reasons. Advanced industrial/financial (hell even having logistic as an important aspect is bloody rare and affects this game -alot-) sector, with a skill training system that won't let you progress like in most games. I doubt any of the other games will be as rewarding, in the sense that EVE is risky, but pays off if you dare take the risk - and succeed. Not to mention the thrill of actually losing things here hasn't been matched since the days of hardcore Diablo II-characters. Earlier fantasy MMO's that had xp penalty on death didn't give that stomach tingle, it was just annoying and a **** of ten wasted hours. I have doubts in Star Trek, SWTOR might have potential. Totally not interested in Jumpgate or Stargate on a personal level so can't comment on that.
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.28 15:44:00 - [27] Originally by: SghnDubh And since BattleClinic first started out as a support site for StarFleet Command games, we're total Trek geeks and we'll support STO even if it (touch wood) ends up with the same curse as most previous trek games. Sigh. We'll see. Speak for yourself Chris, some of us aren't nannerslug or rat boy lol. God they drove me nuts. And there's nothing about that series of games a well placed shape charge send to paramount wouldn't fix, because then SVC could make a computerized version of SFB and say "screw you paramount" and get away with it.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.10.28 15:46:00 - [28] Edited by: Misanth on 28/10/2008 15:46:26 ..lag, doublepost.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.10.28 15:52:00 - [29] I'm all for competition, but I won't leave eve even if I try some of the other games. Star Wars is three decades old. I don't care about Star Wars. I don't care about Star Wars movies, animated shows, cartoons, toys, single player games or MMOs. I just do not give a good god damn about Star Wars. It's a dead horse. Just stop it already. Stargate... I grew to really like SG1, but don't care much for Atlantis. The potential of having stargates to countless worlds which can each be entirely unique offers a lot of potential . . . that will probably never fully be explored. But other than that, I don't see what the game could really offer. I'm not particularly excited to play some SG1 officer traipsing around with a P90 on my hip or being some Jaffa with a staff or some Tochra with a symbiote or whatver. I just don't care. And it (along with star wars) seem like they would be too focused on non-ship-oriented things. And I suspect they would have little or no "crafting" and marketing and production mechanics like EVE has. All in all, EVE is a fully fleshed-out game that keeps improving and gaining greater depth and it is a unique world with its own history and mythology not constrained by some intellectual property owned by Viacom.
Kethry Avenger Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.10.28 16:20:00 - [30] I agree competition is good for Eve but what makes eve such a good game will probably not be duplicated by any multi shard system. Stargate sounds like a sci-fi not a space MMO, Starwars I don't know about but would at least check out cause its Starwars and I liked KOTOR. Jumpgate sounded like it was going to be good but there having ownership/developer issues so I don't hold much hope for it any more. And afaik there has never been a good Star Trek game ever. So the chances that the first one to get it right is an MMO don't seem high to me. A game I am watching as direct competition to eve is Infinity the Quest for earth, especially since its developer story sounds so much like eve, 8-9 guys with a dream. Linkage The only other MMO I'm curious about though is WOD if when CCP makes it. But I don't think any of the above would get me out of Eve.

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