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Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:00:00 -
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I'm thinking all NPC corps in EVE except the starter corps should have wars with other corps in EVE, and players in one NPC corp could shoot war targets from another hostile NPC corp freely in empire space. And you should probably have a limit to how long you can sit in the starter corp. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Daeva Teresa
Viziam Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:07:00 -
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You just join faction war-fail for that.
NPC corps are there for people who dont want to engage in wars. They are fairly bad for that reason, like 10% taxes, so if you dont want to risk wars, yours income sucks. Players corps have many adventages like 0.0 space; w-space; wars; mining ops; etc. that will attract players that wnats them. Ppl that wants to do just pve that downt wants them will stay in npc corps. CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental-áand Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order. |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
148
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:12:00 -
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It is sad that instead of corps who want wars taunting others into them, or going into low / null sec for action. They prefer to batter and beat the ones who don't, into it. Consider for a second that some people don't want to pvp. Maybe they enjoy socializing, mining, or shooting npcs for lewtz. Then another corp comes along and puts them into a war. One which said corp can't fight off. They are all miners after all . So they devise a "horrible" "dastardly" plan! They make their corp un-wardecable...
So let me ask you a question for your sought after solution. Why is it so hard for one pvp corp to simply war another? There is plenty of kids in the sandbox to throw sand. So really who does the problem sit with?
For the people in NPC corporations. Who cares. They are taxed at a fixed rate no matter what. You don't ever see imperial navy academy holding sov in null sec. And when it comes to everything else, well they are the same as any other player. It isn't like 80% of eve is in npc corps anyways. Go take some sov and fight holding it if you lack pvp. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
324
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:12:00 -
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Just make it so that after three months, every player in an NPC corporation gets dumped into his own player corporation "[character name] & Company." This corporation would be persistent, and the player would always be dumped into it when leaving other player corporations as well. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
103
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:19:00 -
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Don't get me wrong, I think that people who prey on the weak in highsec are losers and their tactics should not be supported. I think war costs should be continually revisited and adjusted until there are no longer a ridiculous number of baseless and unused wardecs floating around everywhere--till the average corp who keeps quiet generally isn't in a war. But I also think that bot miners shouldn't be able to mine so freely.
Making it possible yet difficult and expensive to declare war on them will not stop them entirely but it will make it far more difficult for them to operate gigantic hulk fleets, because that's just asking for easy killings. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
592
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:36:00 -
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How dare other people don't play this game the way I want them to play it. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
326
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:37:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Don't get me wrong, I think that people who prey on the weak in highsec are losers and their tactics should not be supported. I think war costs should be continually revisited and adjusted until there are no longer a ridiculous number of baseless and unused wardecs floating around everywhere--till the average corp who keeps quiet generally isn't in a war. But I also think that bot miners shouldn't be able to mine so freely.
Making it possible yet difficult and expensive to declare war on them will not stop them entirely but it will make it far more difficult for them to operate gigantic hulk fleets, because that's just asking for easy killings. Yeah, perfect plan you got there. Make honest players pay for the privilege of helping the game by destroying bots. Meanwhile, players who contribute nothing to the game's content are rewarded with extra protections against unwanted player interaction.
Do you know what will happen if wars become more expensive than suicide-ganking? They won't be utilized anymore, that's what. Why pay CONCORD a billion, when a few dozen T1-fit Thrashers accomplish the same thing? The only thing that vastly increased war fees will do is marginalize the ability of smaller entities to engage in PvP. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
103
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:43:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Do you know what will happen if wars become more expensive than suicide-ganking? It's all based on the amount of targets you get in the war declaration. It should be FAR cheaper to suicide gank one lonely carebear in a PVE-fit ship than to declare war on them, however it would still be FAR cheaper and more lucrative to declare war on a corp with a lot of botters than to follow them around and suicide gank ALL of them. It's simple math.
And don't go talk to me about "honest players" and "highsec wardecs". There's a huge difference between "allowable tactics" and "honest playing". -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
326
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:50:00 -
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I think you know exactly what type of honesty I'm talking about. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
56
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:55:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:The solution to hiding from war in NPC corps?
PONIES (preferably multicolored ones)... that is all!
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Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
150
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:38:00 -
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Even if people were declaring wars to help fight bots. NO ONE will ever get them all. So long as there are buyers they will keep selling. And honestly this isn't about botting or stopping botters. It is about an often visited game mechanic. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
279
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:40:00 -
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There cannot be a solution to this because there is no problem. |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
125
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Posted - 2012.04.03 11:59:00 -
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If people dont want to play you're way why should they be penalised for it.
And lets be honest the balance of power would be in your favour or you would not be asking for it.
Its like the majority of posters who want a change. the change always favours them.
If you want to grief new players and players that dont have much pvp SP then go and hang out in the newb systems and drop cans like everyone else does.
TL:DR you want more easy targets for your killboard Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
137
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:38:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:It is sad that instead of corps who want wars taunting others into them, or going into low / null sec for action. They prefer to batter and beat the ones who don't, into it. Consider for a second that some people don't want to pvp. Maybe they enjoy socializing, mining, or shooting npcs for lewtz. Then another corp comes along and puts them into a war. One which said corp can't fight off. They are all miners after all . So they devise a "horrible" "dastardly" plan! They make their corp un-wardecable... So let me ask you a question for your sought after solution. Why is it so hard for one pvp corp to simply war another? There is plenty of kids in the sandbox to throw sand. So really who does the problem sit with? For the people in NPC corporations. Who cares. They are taxed at a fixed rate no matter what. You don't ever see imperial navy academy holding sov in null sec. And when it comes to everything else, well they are the same as any other player. It isn't like 80% of eve is in npc corps anyways. Go take some sov and fight holding it if you lack pvp.
This is Eve online. If you're not willing to fight for what you have, including your right to exist, you're in the wrong game. Don't bring a feather duster to a knife fight. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
516
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:27:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:This is Eve online. If you're not willing to fight for what you have, including your right to exist, you're in the wrong game. Don't bring a feather duster to a knife fight. Sounds like Butthurt (Quafe scented soothing ointment availble in CCP store) about dudes who don't want to risk losing a ship to CONCORD or that in the pecking order of EVE there is someone out there that is always better then you but this guy (Quoted) doesn't even try to challenge himself because an NPC Corp player in highsec is just so much easier to kill. Really, its not that ******* hard to understand....PVE ship = loser with that active tank = YOU WIN EVERYTIME! So, its like you are spouting some ego arousing speech to get your mental erection up because in reality you are fighting a dude fit to fight NPC which is like YOU THA DUDE fitting to fight an NPC with a PC name. You are fighting a nobody, unable to fight back....be proud of yourself broski! You are Awesome!
If you want the right to exist, then by all rights uninstall EVE, get out there and start your own right to exist in the real world! Start your own kingdom, cause it should be ok in the real world just as much as it is in a video game. Or do you not really care that Goverment > Local Goverment > City municipality > You (<-- HAHA Look at that! In the real world, most of humanity are like NPC corp dudes! Bottom of the shithole) Everytime some guy tries to fight something for change, his goverment brands him a wierdo and slaps him with charges of malcontent. Hmm...not much different then every other forum warrior branding NPC corp dudes as destroyers of EVE.
Here is my last bit of Sage Pro-tip: Get over youself and just shoot them. Nothing prevents you out right but your unwillingness to just lose your own assets to CONCORD. In that same regard, NPC Corps are still targets of oppertunity but they can and will still lose their own assets + isk to an NPC enitity or another Player. |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:34:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I'm thinking all NPC corps in EVE except the starter corps should have wars with other corps in EVE, and players in one NPC corp could shoot war targets from another hostile NPC corp freely in empire space. And you should probably have a limit to how long you can sit in the starter corp.
Welp, your THINKING sucks. Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:35:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:
This is Eve online. If you're not willing to fight for what you have, including your right to exist, you're in the wrong game.
And just WHERE is this in the Documentation ?????? Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
137
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:47:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:
This is Eve online. If you're not willing to fight for what you have, including your right to exist, you're in the wrong game.
And just WHERE is this in the Documentation ?????? Sandboxes have no will or compulsion to force ANY actions or behavior. YOU are in the wrong game.
The documentation is at the barrel end of a gun, sweet cheeks. The sandbox doesn't force anything. The players do.
You are everything wrong with this game; a mewling sycophant who just wants to play dress up with space ships.
See also: All of CCPs promotional material ever made. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:47:00 -
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After a certain amount of SP earned or isk gained you tax rate goes to 35%.
Your tax dollars pay for safety. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
514
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:56:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I'm thinking all NPC corps in EVE except the starter corps should have wars with other corps in EVE, and players in one NPC corp could shoot war targets from another hostile NPC corp freely in empire space. And you should probably have a limit to how long you can sit in the starter corp. Are you on drugs? Nobody is going to sit in an NPC corp unless they are broke anyway. They wouldn't want to pay NPC tax and they don't want to deal with the problems with managing people in a NPC corp. Try going after people with some ISK. If your targets are dropping to NPC corps you are choosing some sad little opponents.
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:06:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:
The documentation is at the barrel end of a gun, sweet cheeks. The sandbox doesn't force anything. The players do.
You have some c*j*n*s with that 'barrel of a gun' near-threat at this point in time.
What a Tool.
AND as a respectable gay man, YOU will NEVER see my sweet cheeks.
Xander Riggs wrote:See also: All of CCPs promotional material ever made.
Then WHY on Earth are you playing the game if you read the documentation ? WHINING about something that is not your cup of tea I guess.............. Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
88
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:11:00 -
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Part of the story line of eve is that most of the NPC corps have been at peace for the last several years. ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....
Butt Hurt about Harrasment? Read first GM post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:11:00 -
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Never happen. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
138
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:12:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:
The documentation is at the barrel end of a gun, sweet cheeks. The sandbox doesn't force anything. The players do.
You have some c*j*n*s with that 'barrel of a gun' near-threat at this point in time. What a Tool. AND as a respectable gay man, YOU will NEVER see my sweet cheeks. Xander Riggs wrote:See also: All of CCPs promotional material ever made. Then WHY on Earth are you playing the game if you read the documentation ? WHINING about something that is not your cup of tea I guess..............
Not very bright, either, I see. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:16:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:
This is Eve online. If you're not willing to fight for what you have, including your right to exist, you're in the wrong game.
And just WHERE is this in the Documentation ?????? Sandboxes have no will or compulsion to force ANY actions or behavior. YOU are in the wrong game. The documentation is at the barrel end of a gun, sweet cheeks. The sandbox doesn't force anything. The players do.
Which is why there are players here asking to change the configuration of the sandbox to in order to force behavior...
Eh?
Xander Riggs wrote:
You are everything wrong with this game; a mewling sycophant who just wants to play dress up with space ships.
See also: All of CCPs promotional material ever made.
While I'm sure "mewling sycophant" sounded cool sometime, I fail to see the flattery.
See also: The promotional material I remember said things along the line of: "Be anything you want", but then I'm old. Could you point me to something from CCP that says that if you don't want PvP you shouldn't buy their game? |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:18:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:
Not very bright, either, I see.
These are some of the lamest reponses in DAYS. Where is the COLOR ????? Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:18:00 -
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http://tentonhammer.com/eve-online/interviews/ccp-soundwave/inferno-part-two
Spoke of it here yet stated nothing definitive or really looking into do anything about it yet. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
140
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:23:00 -
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Hamshoe wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:
This is Eve online. If you're not willing to fight for what you have, including your right to exist, you're in the wrong game.
And just WHERE is this in the Documentation ?????? Sandboxes have no will or compulsion to force ANY actions or behavior. YOU are in the wrong game. The documentation is at the barrel end of a gun, sweet cheeks. The sandbox doesn't force anything. The players do. Which is why there are players here asking to change the configuration of the sandbox to in order to force behavior... Eh? Xander Riggs wrote:
You are everything wrong with this game; a mewling sycophant who just wants to play dress up with space ships.
See also: All of CCPs promotional material ever made.
While I'm sure "mewling sycophant" sounded cool sometime, I fail to see the flattery. See also: The promotional material I remember said things along the line of: "Be anything you want", but then I'm old. Could you point me to something from CCP that says that if you don't want PvP you shouldn't buy their game?
Let me ask, then, why exactly is CCP putting so much work into making sure people fight? The next expansion isn't called 'Inferno' because it will be launching around the same time we expect the first big summer heat wave. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:25:00 -
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There are those who in the contrary would like to be able to join other NPC-Corporation except the starting and bloodline default corps.
I'm playing the game from a roleplaying perspective and would be mightily pissed if I would be forced into some strange default player corporation, thus ruining my storyline. When the day comes I will open my own player corporation, and when I get wardecced I will not leave it, but either bore my enemies to death, taunt them, or bloody their nose...
Please do not use the same broad brush for the whole playership - people are playing this game for different reasons.
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:... And you should probably have a limit to how long you can sit in the starter corp. And then what? You gain Corporation Management 1 on the spot and are transfered into a randomly named single-player corp? |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
118
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:27:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:
Not very bright, either, I see.
Came expecting a decent conversation, i should know better in GD.
But this last one, quoted above, is on the same level as: "Says you" or the ever popular, "Oh yeah!"
Leaving disappointed.
Nothing clever at this time. |
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