Originally by: Luciat

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I for one will never rat or mine again if the delayed local gets introduced.

I will however stock up on Stelath bombers and recons and never fly a non-cloaking ship agian.

I will then hit 0.0 and sit in belts with friends waiting for the ratters to blissfully rat, whilst spamming the scan button and not finding us because we are cloaked, then OMGWTFBBQ them and cloak up again.

If acts of agression force you to appear in local, simply jump to the next system, rinse and repeat.

Unbalanced? Youbetchya!

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Originally by: Zurrar

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Originally by: Luciat

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I for one will never rat or mine again if the delayed local gets introduced.

I will however stock up on Stelath bombers and recons and never fly a non-cloaking ship agian.

I will then hit 0.0 and sit in belts with friends waiting for the ratters to blissfully rat, whilst spamming the scan button and not finding us because we are cloaked, then OMGWTFBBQ them and cloak up again.

If acts of agression force you to appear in local, simply jump to the next system, rinse and repeat.

Unbalanced? Youbetchya!

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thats what those ships really are meant to do

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Now something constructive for a change,

the best idea ive seen in this thread to replace the current local imo, is to integrate a ships sensor strength in the scanning process, which itself then shows you more or less what is going on in your system.

I like using the sensor strength for the scanning as it gives certain ships such as covert ops, recons, EAF but also Hacs and battleships an advantage in scanning ships over interceptors, interdictors, cruisers etc.

With this implemented some ships are better for scouting, when ratting bigger ships such as battleships see enemie ships faster - but at the same time when ratting with an assault frigate you warp faster.
When mining a rorqual with its strong sensor strength will be very useful for protection as well.
Eccms will be a whole lot more important, this will solve the debate about falcons being overpowered.




The question is how to create a new system from the theory.

An idea i had was to use the system map as a ground layer and the ships sensor strength used to dictate a scanners maximum reach.

On this system map every ship emits a signal depending on its signature radius. A signal from a cruisersized signature radius, as example, could then create a 1AU radius on the system map which the onboard scanner can scan when in range.
With a bigger signal from a bigger signature radius you will have a signal radius, as example when a cruisersized signature radius produces a 1Au signal radius, a battleship would produce a 4AU Signal radius - which is, of course, is more likely in range of a onboard scanner.

Now for fleets you could let signals add up when in range to each other,
no matter if friend or fo, thus creating a bigger signal radius which can be scanned from further away.

I honestly am not sure if a signal radius should appear where the ship is, so you would see where ships are just as youd do when probing more or less, or if the map should just tell you that ou have company around, but without any information to the whereabouts.

Id prefer signals to have a minimum strength of 1AU,
when one signal overlaps with another they become one 2AU signal radius which middle lies inbetween the two previous signals, provided signals will show the originating ships location.


* When such a signal is scanned it would be appropiate to show how strong the signal is, altho the infos should be kept vague otherwise its too easy to predict an enemies ship etc.



* Scanner should never fail to see a signal, if in range - otherwise you have ceptors on top of you before you know it.
The whole point is that bigger ships are seen from further away then smaller ships.


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When a battleships has a 4AU signal radius, which is a 10 seconds guess and will have to be balanced, a fleets signal radius of 50 battleships shouldnt be 4*50 but more like maybe 25AU or something sane.


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I think it would be reasonable to increase the lock delay after uncloaking, a big increasement for normal and another 5seconds maybe for cov ops cloaks. In change cloaked ships have a minimum singal radius.



* The signal radius`s should be liveupdated, or every few secs automaticly on your system scanner, this way miner and ratter can keep the system map open and keep on with their business.
Some sort of out of system map warning when a new signal was detected should be implemented, too.





thats it, excuse me when i forgot some stuff, its 5 in the mornin here. Feel free to take the post and change it as much as you like.

A local change is a chance to make the game so much more interesting, when you have accepted that ccp will change the local - rather then complaining that they will, think of something youd like to see the local become instead.

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Originally by: SunTzuCsu

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I wont be safe anymore

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Originally by: RedSplat

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Originally by: SunTzuCsu

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I wont be safe anymore

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Originally by: SunTzuCsu

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Originally by: RedSplat

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Originally by: SunTzuCsu

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I wont be safe anymore

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Bless, you changed my post for something I never said, that's so clever.
The rolling eyes gif was a stroke of genius, well done.

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Originally by: RedSplat

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Look Mom, I'm being facetious

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Originally by: Rhadamantine

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Originally by: RedSplat

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You got burned that's for sure.

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Damn, a Trolls only weakness.

Originally by: Sebea

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Originally by: Gonada

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remove local, and have a way to find cloaked ships

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Unless they are supposed to cloak, otherwise, whats the point of fitting the mod, but this can all wait for the inevitable "NOOO MY FREE INTEL" whine thread, and the follow up "Cloaks are too strong, i can't shoot what i can't see" whines.

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