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masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 89	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:28:00 - [1] - Quote Instead of relying on forums for feedback ccp should have mandatory questionaires to be filled out before you are allowed to login. So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Discuss. Things are only impossible until they are not.
Xander Riggs EVE University Ivy League 146	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:28:00 - [2] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Instead of relying on forums for feedback ccp should have mandatory questionaires to be filled out before you are allowed to login. So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Discuss. You cannot force people to be well informed. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
THE L0CK Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 145	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:29:00 - [3] - Quote Sweet, an update box AND a questionnaire before I even get to the load up screen? Sign me up! Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Basileus Volkan Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 113	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:32:00 - [4] - Quote The purpose of democracy (Even a pretend-democracy in a terrible internet spaceship game) isn't for "everyone" to have a "voice", it's so you can replace leaders without bloody murder all the time. Or constant Jita riots or whatever. Everything else included in the Democracy Package is just a bonus, really.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:33:00 - [5] - Quote Questionaires are flawed really. They can be worded to get the answers that the questioner wants and give that we are talking about a company here I do think they have people with the smarts to do this, or hire them. You can not force someone to give an opinion, s just to be cantancerous they may give one that would cause disaster to the game. Though you could but a CBA option at the top and so let them bypass it altogother, or a notice saying you have the option to take part in one and allowing people to decline.
ILikeMarkets Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:35:00 - [6] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Instead of relying on forums for feedback ccp should have mandatory questionaires to be filled out before you are allowed to login. So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Discuss. Didn't DAoC used to do this? I loved that system, personally. Mittani discussing, long before the alcohol, what his panel will be about. It is entitled "Goonswarm Hates You".-á Enjoy! Be sure to go re-read his "Apology" after listening to compare his claims. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SKC00a0ovTA#t=413s
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 490	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:36:00 - [7] - Quote Massive waste of time. People enter game, sometimes they get an EULA blurb they hastily scroll to the end and click OK. Add questionnaires and they will fill an "X" in every required field (or even use a bot to do that!) and then press OK. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 89	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:39:00 - [8] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Massive waste of time. People enter game, sometimes they get an EULA blurb they hastily scroll to the end and click OK. Add questionnaires and they will fill an "X" in every required field (or even use a bot to do that!) and then press OK. Avoid multiple choice and require short answer/essay form. Regex can be used to prevent other abuses. Things are only impossible until they are not.
Xander Riggs EVE University Ivy League 146	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:40:00 - [9] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Massive waste of time. People enter game, sometimes they get an EULA blurb they hastily scroll to the end and click OK. Add questionnaires and they will fill an "X" in every required field (or even use a bot to do that!) and then press OK. Avoid multiple choice and require short answer/essay form. Regex can be used to prevent other abuses. No. 1 Response: "Stop making me write essays." "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Grumpy Owly 582	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:41:00 - [10] - Quote How did I get into a masternerdguy thread? leaves with haste turning the map the right way up Bounty Hunting for CSM7 It's just criminal - Smuggling
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5905	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:44:00 - [11] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Contradiction of terms. You're essentially asking people not to log in. That's a very bad thing to ask of them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Bloutok Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 3	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:46:00 - [12] - Quote I like this one +15995238883334866.2258 times yes.
Markus Reese Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION 95	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:47:00 - [13] - Quote Feedback form, simply have in login a link to one related to account. Those that want to fill it in will, those that don't won't troll it just to be rid of it.
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 281	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:48:00 - [14] - Quote Oh masternerdguy, why oh why are you still terrible? I still remember beating you twice in a row in a frigate duel and you claiming hax were involved XD
Black Dranzer 212	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:54:00 - [15] - Quote Better idea: Polls on the character select screen. Completely optional, but clearly visible. Let's try "automated feedback gathering" before we jump to "mandatory automated feedback gathering", yeah?
Kattshiro Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 38	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:55:00 - [16] - Quote The phrase "Force people to..." Usually doesn't go over well or have the best intentions.
Thorn Galen Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 448	Posted - 2012.04.03 16:57:00 - [17] - Quote If this was an idea - and I am not convinced that it even qualifies as such - it should be in the ideas forum. Other than that, it's already gone 1st April. I can only read your post as an attempted joke. It is a terrible idea. Good thing CCP ignore such things. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars.
Chokichi Ozuwara Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown 78	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:00:00 - [18] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Another budding fascist with so much promise... Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Grumpy Owly 582	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:02:00 - [19] - Quote Do I have to make a serious post to this idiocy? Game design is not about ticking boxes. Not everything can be resolved with black and white choices. The sentiment and understanding of systems with regards to different playstyles, crossover of use, or different degrees of preference means that games design follows an evolutionary process trying to bring in as many voices as possible in a dialouge that not only aids to provide understanding but follows a debate to a "collective" resolution that even may end up not being a pre-determined solution to begin with. This is why I favour CCP's openess to discuss things with us in Blogs. And especially moreso after recommendations following incarna. (CCP also do occasionaly send out feedback questionairres, but that is to gauge wether they are on the money.) Bounty Hunting for CSM7 It's just criminal - Smuggling
Pyx Jasta 104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment Insane Asylum 47	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:05:00 - [20] - Quote Xander Riggs wrote: No. 1 Response: "Stop making me write essays." I don't think that would be the number one response
Bloutok Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 3	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:11:00 - [21] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: Do I have to make a serious post to this idiocy? Game design is not about ticking boxes. Not everything can be resolved with black and white choices. The sentiment and understanding of systems with regards to different playstyles, crossover of use, or different degrees of preference means that games design follows an evolutionary process trying to bring in as many voices as possible in a dialouge that not only aids to provide understanding but follows a debate to a "collective" resolution that even may end up not being a pre-determined solution to begin with. This is why I favour CCP's openess to discuss things with us in Blogs. And especially moreso after recommendations following incarna. (CCP also do occasionaly send out feedback questionairres, but that is to gauge wether they are on the money.) Yes, only the few who know should be allowed to say what they think. [sarcasm off]
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 160	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:18:00 - [22] - Quote Such things can be put ingame without mucking up what you want to do and when. Concord bulletin board links CQ TV links Agents in space at random gates you can talk to for links. CCP can easily dress it up in a RP way so its less intrusive.
Grumpy Owly 583	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:27:00 - [23] - Quote Bloutok wrote: Grumpy Owly wrote: Do I have to make a serious post to this idiocy? Game design is not about ticking boxes. Not everything can be resolved with black and white choices. The sentiment and understanding of systems with regards to different playstyles, crossover of use, or different degrees of preference means that games design follows an evolutionary process trying to bring in as many voices as possible in a dialouge that not only aids to provide understanding but follows a debate to a "collective" resolution that even may end up not being a pre-determined solution to begin with. This is why I favour CCP's openess to discuss things with us in Blogs. And especially moreso after recommendations following incarna. (CCP also do occasionaly send out feedback questionairres, but that is to gauge wether they are on the money.) Yes, only the few who know should be allowed to say what they think. [sarcasm off] Don't understand the sarcasm. If its the irony I believe the OP's debate to be idiotic, I have explained why. Therefore its a substantiated claim why I think so and not censorship. You can of course disagree with what I say. [sarcasm]After all an insular multiple choice process to EVE design would certainly be simpler from both players and CCP's standpoint. In fact I suggest we leave it to CCP creating limited choice, placing them in a field, then having a cow enter the field and eventually whereever it first craps the proposal closest wins.[/sarcasm] Bounty Hunting for CSM7 It's just criminal - Smuggling
Nirnias Stirrum Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD. 57	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:34:00 - [24] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbkOZTSvrHs That is all.
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 83	Posted - 2012.04.03 17:58:00 - [25] - Quote Bad idea, you think the forums have been bad now? You don't force people to participate and expect a positive response. That being said, CCP needs to take a serious look at an INGAME voting system. Want feedback on an upcoming change. Post a vote, with timelimits, send an Eve-mail, and add a simple voting interface that anyone in game can click on and vote. This is not a replacement for voting out of game, it's an addition. If over 50% of the players never visit the forums, how the heck did you think you were going to get them to navigate to that webpage to vote? Who knows, you might get more than 10% of the players to vote next year CCP.... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime.....
Ai Shun 572	Posted - 2012.04.03 18:43:00 - [26] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, asdfasdfasdfasdf finish. ****, now I can log-in.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 1393	Posted - 2012.04.03 19:46:00 - [27] - Quote The OP has a point. The few surveys that CCP has posted in the past was a start. Unfortunately those could be easily manipulated. The pop up link box on the log in screen also helps a little but since it's usually just an ad for PLEX or Magazine sales, most players probably don't even really look at it anymore. I've always thought that surveys and CSM vote should be done on a screen that loads up right after the log in screen and when completed, has the character selection screen load. Of course it can only be completed once per account. Have it short and sweet, easily completed within a few minutes with an option to [Opt Out]. Basically it would be check boxes [yes] [no] [neutral] along with a small [comments] box for those that want to add a bit more input. If the [Opt Out] is selected, there should be a pop up box requesting confirmation with a small message informing the player they forfeit the right to voice their opinion. There's a lot of players that don't browse the forums and most probably rarely ever look at the news listed in the character selection screen. Something like this would definitely bring it to all players attention allowing them the option to be involved or not.
Dragon Outlaw Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 66	Posted - 2012.04.03 19:51:00 - [28] - Quote Well Though! You have management written all over you!
Richard Aiel Caldari Provisions Caldari State 100	Posted - 2012.04.03 20:28:00 - [29] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Instead of relying on forums for feedback ccp should have mandatory questionaires to be filled out before you are allowed to login. So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Discuss. CCP use this for suggestions? No wonder its all messed up ;p https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á
Ashera Yune Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2012.04.03 21:42:00 - [30] - Quote People choose to remain ignorant. They choose to stay quiet and someone else take care of things for them.
Tarsus Zateki GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 362	Posted - 2012.04.03 21:44:00 - [31] - Quote Players in this game whine loudly enough when CCP changes the name of an item. Could you imagine if they were forced to have their addiction kept from them for a moment or two? There would be arson in Reykjavik.
Joran Dravius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2012.04.03 21:45:00 - [32] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Instead of relying on forums for feedback ccp should have mandatory questionaires to be filled out before you are allowed to login. So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Discuss. Bad idea. I'm guessing a lot of people would click random answers just to get through it faster.
Ai Shun 572	Posted - 2012.04.03 21:57:00 - [33] - Quote Joran Dravius wrote: Bad idea. I'm guessing a lot of people would click random answers just to get through it faster. Indeed. Most players do not give a damn; they simply play the game. If they cared enough they would bother to vote in the CSM elections, subscribe to the newsletter so they can participate in the surveys and generally try to keep up with news on the game. No point in getting the opinion of people who don't care / know enough about the game to make an intelligent contribution .You're much more likely to get a bunch of a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a-finish type responses. Edit: A sample newsletter can be seen here. The survey is on the right of the page; almost all the way to the bottom.
EI Digin Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 266	Posted - 2012.04.03 22:08:00 - [34] - Quote What about the people who choose not to have a voice?
Anya Ohaya School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 99	Posted - 2012.04.03 22:20:00 - [35] - Quote 7/10 Got a lot of bites, and the idea of writing an essay to log in is pretty funny really. You could also force people to submit business plans before they get to use manufacturing lines (that'd stop the minerals are freetards), and posts to COAD would be replaced by epic poems. There would only be about a dozen people logged in at any time, but the quality of social discourse would rival the salons of Paris and the forums of ancient Greece.
Ai Shun 604	Posted - 2012.04.05 23:14:00 - [36] - Quote The next newsletter is out. It has a survey on Dust 514 in it. If you are interested in responding, do so - you may be helping to shape Dust 514.
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 542	Posted - 2012.04.06 01:03:00 - [37] - Quote OP: Finish that bowl of Cheerios before you decide to post. Once your ears stop ringing useful thoughts may suddenly appear in your mind. Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold
Bane Necran 254	Posted - 2012.04.06 01:34:00 - [38] - Quote It's a good idea for the CSM voting, but hell no to doing surveys.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach 793	Posted - 2012.04.06 01:37:00 - [39] - Quote This is a bad idea. Forcing subscribers to answer a questionaire is going to do two bad things: 1. Annoy subscribers. 2. Return survey results weighted massively in favour of whatever options are easiest to click quickly. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor Animated Corporate Logos
Jita Alt666 992	Posted - 2012.04.06 01:47:00 - [40] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Instead of relying on forums for feedback ccp should have mandatory questionaires to be filled out before you are allowed to login. So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Discuss. Here is an example of how this idea would play out on the internet: Question 1: In your view what are major improvements you have noticed in the new UI? Answer: sklgjsdlgkjdlgjdgj Question 2: How has time dilution affected your game play? Answer: ** off Question 3: What aspects of the new ship models do you find appealing? Answer: i said off Question 4: Are you happy with the proposed changes to factional warfare? Please outline your reasoning below Answer: this sucks dogs balls Expansion: fofofofofofofofofofofofo Question 5: Crucible brought 4 new battlecruisers into the Eve Online universe, how have the new tier 3 BC's effected your game play? Answer ** you ccp I'm off to play WOT
Darth Gustav Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 222	Posted - 2012.04.06 02:02:00 - [41] - Quote Forcing all subscribers to get a clue might be cheaper and easier. Also the possible religious conflicts with voting no longer become an issue. You know, for people who believe that sort of thing. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 513	Posted - 2012.04.06 03:24:00 - [42] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Instead of relying on forums for feedback ccp should have mandatory questionaires to be filled out before you are allowed to login. So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Discuss. The problem with forcing the majority of people to voice their opinions is that the majority of people are complete idiots. This point is very well highlighted by the threads you regularly create. --Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK--
Marduk Nibiru Risk Breakers C0NVICTED 153	Posted - 2012.04.06 04:10:00 - [43] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Instead of relying on forums for feedback ccp should have mandatory questionaires to be filled out before you are allowed to login. So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Discuss. That sounds like a great idea! That way, when I just want to play the game I'm paying $50 a month to play I get to be locked out until I click... a a a a satan a a a a Submit.
Raven Ether Republic University Minmatar Republic 135	Posted - 2012.04.06 06:13:00 - [44] - Quote Retards that cannot be bothred or do not care enough to voice their views on the forum... ...do not deserve a voice. Simi Kusoni wrote: masternerdguy wrote: Instead of relying on forums for feedback ccp should have mandatory questionaires to be filled out before you are allowed to login. So after someone logs in the survey for that day is loaded and must be completed before continuing. Everyone should be forced to have an informed voice in game design. Discuss. The problem with forcing the majority of people to voice their opinions is that the majority of people are complete idiots. This point is very well highlighted by the threads you regularly create. I lol'd irl
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 151	Posted - 2012.04.06 16:31:00 - [45] - Quote I was part of EVERY survey or questionaire from CCP. And do you think what?.. Nothing happens! Even CCP has no real interest to interprete such surveys. The last survey from the **** changes concerning the overview was useless. Was there a side or blog where we could inform us about the findings? I am realy shure, that I was not the only one who hated this crappy changes to the overview and this useless mouseOver-delay. The survey is used from CCP to dissemble democracy to the community. NOTHING MORE! I am disappointed.

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