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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:27:00 -
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50 million points in combat is no more likely to win a fight than 20 million in combat.
50 million in a trading focus isnt going to earn more than 20 million in trading.
All it does is unfairly punish long term players who want to PVP.
5 million isk clones are annoying but ok. 8 Million ik clones are more annoying but you put up with it. 10 million plus for a clone isnt fun it just a stick in the eye at the most faithful customers.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Splash Whale
Ctrl-Q Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:29:00 -
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If you dont like paying for an expensive clone you can do the following:
*dont use the character for pvp in 0.0 anymore
*dont get podded(same as above really)
*train a different character on the same account
*quit eve and give me your stuff
I'll be happy to accept thank you letters ingame.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:30:00 -
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Back to the belts, or start training another account.
In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:31:00 -
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Older characters can earn ISK easier, and thus are hit by ISK sinks harder.
Higher-end skill books also cost way more.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Ghoest
50 million points in combat is no more likely to win a fight than 20 million in combat.
50 million in a trading focus isnt going to earn more than 20 million in trading.
All it does is unfairly punish long term players who want to PVP.
5 million isk clones are annoying but ok. 8 Million ik clones are more annoying but you put up with it. 10 million plus for a clone isnt fun it just a stick in the eye at the most faithful customers.
LOL... try a 750M ISK clone then and tell me about the "10M+ for a clone" being expensive.
I know a fair number of people who fly with more then that.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:33:00 -
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High-end clones prevent high SP players from losing a lot of their SPs - they have more to lose so they pay more.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:38:00 -
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Having 50M Skillpoints and not being able to afford an adequate clone is pretty poor planning in my book.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:40:00 -
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And if it doesn't matter if you're 20M or 50M, then why care about lost SP? Just don't upgrade the clone, problem solved.
Heh... But no, really... When you're flying around with full set of +4 or +5, 10M isk doesn't matter much.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:42:00 -
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What they said above.
If you have 50mil SP and have a harder time affording your clone than a 20mil SP, you might want to ask yourself WTH you are doing.
Even tho 30mil more SP won't automaticly earn you more isk, experience should. And someone that can afford to buy a 50mil SP character should very well know how to make isk.
Fakeedit; I bolded the funny part.
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Mihailo Great
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:46:00 -
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most importantly it curtails pod jumping a bit. In 0.0, I used to clone jump for everything cause travelling is boring (until jump brdges came).
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:50:00 -
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No one has good given a good reason and a few response are just wrong.
I know it gets exponentially worse.
Why should long term players have to avoid 0.0 or beforced to frind more isk?
Im guess most if not all the people relying have no intention of staying with the game long term.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Liliana Jade
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:52:00 -
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No one forces you to buy a 50 million point clone, buy only 20 million point ones instead and the problem will solve itself.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:56:00 -
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Clones are cheap these days, they were much more expensive a while ago. It's not bad game design, it's just logic since older chars (should be able to) make more money.
As stated; deal with it or don't die.
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:58:00 -
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Personally I love paying 20m for a clone on a lolships op where the ship + fit costs less than 5m.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:05:00 -
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Seriously some of these response are stupid.
1 50 mill sp doesnt help you make any more isk than 20 mill sp.
Once you hit 15 or 20 mill sp earning money depends on the time you spend earning money not you skill points.
2 The need to avoid PVP is why this is stupid game design. Yes you can safely sit in high sec - thats not what the game is suposed to be about.
By design CCP has made it so adding SP broadens your character with out making you much better. Thats fine, but if high SP doesnt make you richer or tougher you shouldnt have to pay for it.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:08:00 -
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If you are unhappy with the amount of skill points you have, and you feel that you're not doing any better than a 20 million skill point clone, then simply stop upgrading your clone, and in time, by way of podkills, you will start losing skill points and level out at a more affordable clone level. 
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
No one has good given a good reason and a few response are just wrong.
I know it gets exponentially worse.
Why should long term players have to avoid 0.0 or beforced to frind more isk?
Im guess most if not all the people relying have no intention of staying with the game long term.
Hey, im with you on this! I hate being popped and having to cough up 5mil isk for a new clone!
Then again im sure newbies are tired of paying 500,000 isk for a new clone to. Sooo lets just over through this corrupt cloning system and give free, all you can SP , clones!
It sucks, sure but its part of the game. Also its a part of the game CCP has already nerfed ...uh...last year i think. SO your clone should actually cost more then 10mil if we were going by the old rules. losing isk sucks but its part of the game.
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Gaius BaItar
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:27:00 -
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I would love to have a dedicated PvP clone available.
-Not too expensive and independent of your SP
-No skill training possible while using it
-if your pod gets blown up, youÆll have to pay for another one, but no lost SP.
Want to PvP or foreseeing a dangerous situation? Jump into this clone and fight as long as you want, with no consequences regarding your SP.
When you want a brake, jump into a normal clone and continue your skill training.
How would you like that? 
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Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:37:00 -
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Do people fly around without any implants fitted? 
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Tykkis
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:40:00 -
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50mil SP charracter is old fart and should be having dementia, degrading to a lvl of a 1mil SP char.
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CALUGARU
Repo Industries
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius BaItar
Edited by: Gaius BaItar on 31/10/2008 14:40:19
I would love to have a dedicated PvP clone available.
-Not too expensive and independent of your SP
-No skill training possible while using it
-if your pod gets blown up, youÆll have to pay for another one, but no lost SP.
ItÆs like taking a screenshot of your skills and recover them at clone destruction.
Want to PvP or foreseeing a dangerous situation? Jump into this clone and fight as long as you want, with no consequences regarding your SP.
When you want a brake, jump into a normal clone and continue your skill training.
How would you like that?
pure fail. you go ahead and do that, and in 1 year i'll have 10 mil more sp's then you because i can afford a set of +3 or +4 imps np, or low grade slaves/etc without the fear of losing them.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
LOL... try a 750M ISK clone then and tell me about the "10M+ for a clone" being expensive.
I know a fair number of people who fly with more then that.
I hear you there.
When I was first getting started in FW I got podded a few times. 1Mish for a clone, then another 60 on a new implant set.
After I'd blown 100M+ on implants I realized I faced a choice...
1) Quit FW
2) Fly without my precious +4s
3) Stock up while they're cheap and deal with it.
I went with 3. ISK in my wallet doesn't do me or anyone else any good. 
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Gaius BaItar
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: CALUGARU
pure fail. you go ahead and do that, and in 1 year i'll have 10 mil more sp's then you because i can afford a set of +3 or +4 imps np, or low grade slaves/etc without the fear of losing them.
True, but no one is forcing you to use PvP mode.
If you have ISK, use normal clones. Else, go cheaper.
ItÆs a choice.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
The need to avoid PVP is why this is stupid game design. Yes you can safely sit in high sec - thats not what the game is suposed to be about.
Guessing you're a troll, but here goes, I'll feed you;
Not sure WTH you are on, but you never fly with implants? Misanth isn't at 50mil SP yet, admit that much, but at least at 40+. I have Cybernetics 5 on this character and one alt, while the other two has Cybernetics 4. The cheapest clone I have on either of these four alts accounts has 150mil+ of implants plugged in.
You're talking about a few mil per clone to make you unable to PvP because of the isk loss? Pathetic tbh.
Shoot a few decent rats in 0.0 or do one level 4 and you have your clone isk.
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CALUGARU
Repo Industries
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:55:00 -
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seriously, it costs 13 mil to insure a 72 mil sp clone. if at 70 mil sp you can't get 13 mil in 2-5 minutes...
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.10.31 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Do people fly around without any implants fitted?
in 0.0 ? of course ...
i was shocked to hear that as well but after a while in 0.0,
i realized its the best thing to do .
murphy law always applies for me , if im using a +4 or +3 imps and obviously +5
i will surely get podded ,however if i fly a clone without imps i usually
survive for months ... 
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Nexus Kinnon
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.10.31 15:06:00 -
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Seriously? You're whining about clone costs? Really?
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Cassandra Valieries
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Posted - 2008.10.31 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
No one has good given a good reason and a few response are just wrong.
I know it gets exponentially worse.
Why should long term players have to avoid 0.0 or beforced to frind more isk?
Im guess most if not all the people relying have no intention of staying with the game long term.
People have given plenty of good reasons, but your reading comprehension seems slightly below average and you refuse to listen
I have 9 mil sp or so, those horrible 10 mil you are talking about, would take me 2-3 hours of missioning, and by the time i upgrade to a bs I should make it in less than an hour.
If anything, clones should be more expensive...
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CALUGARU
Repo Industries
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.31 15:07:00 -
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seems so...
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.31 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Seriously some of these response are stupid.
1 50 mill sp doesnt help you make any more isk than 20 mill sp.
Once you hit 15 or 20 mill sp earning money depends on the time you spend earning money not you skill points.
2 The need to avoid PVP is why this is stupid game design. Yes you can safely sit in high sec - thats not what the game is suposed to be about.
By design CCP has made it so adding SP broadens your character with out making you much better. Thats fine, but if high SP doesnt make you richer or tougher you shouldnt have to pay for it.
You know that character you bought with mommies credit card? Give it to me, cause it's obvious you don't know how to play this game.
Someone that has invested the time to get to 50m sp knows plenty of ways to earn passive income to offset the cost of that clone and a full set of +5s with plenty of hardwirings.
You know what I do sometimes? I fly in a clone worth 500m in a ship worth less than 1/10th that.
Man up nancyboy.
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