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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar
Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:43:00 -
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I am strongly considering attending as an experiment (also i have never been to Iceland... could be fun) One more country for the list.
If i attend i will wear a **** that reads "I am Vasili"
The predicted results:
1. i will be beaten, have my drink poisoned, and hated by all devs.
2. I will be loved by care bear haters. They will aid in my defense vs the angry bears i have abused.
Who would win in a 50 vs 50 brawl? Bears, or scumbags like us? I suspect the latter. Thoughts?
I offer free drinks to faction bears i have conned and plunderd + your favorite erm favor. Perhaps this will even the overwhelming bear vs scumbag ratio in out favor?
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:47:00 -
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who are you again?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Faife
who are you again?
See his signature.
Also, I think nothing would happen if you turned up.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:51:00 -
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FFS if you've got the time and resources to attend Fanfest ****ing GO. Reykjavik is a really cool place especially if you don't book your return flight until at least a full day or two after Fanfest ends.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Faife
who are you again?
See his signature.
Also, I think nothing would happen if you turned up.
disabled those when what my last one got nerfed, in protest. i even had it correctly sized with pixels to spare n stuff.
i guess he should probably have a shirt made with "see the signature of my character, vasili vonsomething, in order to know who i am"
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.01 09:53:00 -
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Carebears would win logically, "Greifers" are all 13 year old geeks who live in basements and the carebears are all 32 year old hardmen/soldiers/chuck norrises brother.
At least thats the way they spin it 
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Mikal Drey
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:03:00 -
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hey hey
the bears would win. why ? because you forgot the probability that the scumbags would also give you a kicking after all they have no real alliance and could do it purely for the extra grief factor.
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:05:00 -
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Well I carebear a good bit in game, it makes good isk.
In real life though I go for the balls, throat and eyes. Can't walk you can't fight, can't breath you can't fight, can't see you can't fight. And even if you do get the better of me I'm too stupid to stay down.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:07:00 -
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Best thread atm.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:19:00 -
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Getting ****ed ingame is one thing. Out of game is out of game. I betcha there's a crapload of ingame scumbags on EVE gatherings, no matter if it's fanfests, alliance gatherings or whatnot.
EVE will eventually die and/or we quit, that day isk is worth nothing, no matter if you're a scammer/thief, carebear, alliance leader, PvPer, whatever.
If someone griefed me ingame, I'd buy him a beer and have a laugh about it at the fanfest. Perspective is your friend.
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CCP Prism X
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:24:00 -
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Dude, even if I had any reason to hate you I certainly wouldn't ruin a good drink over it.
Hey! If things get too hectic for you I'm sure any Dev would cover you.
For the price of a beer of course. 
~ Prism X
EvE Database Developer
Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006.
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 10:54:00 -
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I think you are overestimating your position as a hated person :)
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Nine Tailed
Amarr
Blood-Adders
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Posted - 2008.11.01 11:02:00 -
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ok, you're getting old.
This is like the 4th thread you've made to try and buff yourself up.
Nobody realy knows who you are, and the ones that do, don't think your anything special.
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2008.11.01 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vasili vonHolst
i will wear a ****
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Guttripper
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.01 11:15:00 -
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Bears versus Scumbags...?
I know the Detroit Lions are having a bad year, but I would not go so far to call them Scumbags. But (my) Chicago Bears should stomp all over them Sunday afternoon, especially with around a 12.5 point spread in the Bears' favor!
That was what this discussion was about, right?
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.01 11:16:00 -
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Who? Ah forget it.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.11.01 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 01/11/2008 12:02:09
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Faife
who are you again?
See his signature.
Also, I think nothing would happen if you turned up.
This.
I mean, seriously? Most of the people at fan fest are like, mature adults who kind of grasp the idea that people can be on the 'other side' in a game, without having to slap them silly IRL.
No one cares that you're the 'ebil griefing pirate' above and beyond the 'oh, hi, yeah, I recognise that name.'. And maybe some secondary drink extortion. (e.g. you shot me, buy me beer. LOL that was awesome, let me buy _you_ beer).
So all's good really.
The only real exception is the people who are annoying in real life, and that's because they're annoying in real life, not because of who they play.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.11.01 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Dude, even if I had any reason to hate you I certainly wouldn't ruin a good drink over it.
Hey! If things get too hectic for you I'm sure any Dev would cover you.
For the price of a beer of course.
The real question is, how many beers would it take to get a dev to swap their 'I am a dev' badge. I mean, I know impersonation of a CCP employee is not allowed in game but does that also apply at fanfest? 
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.11.01 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Dude, even if I had any reason to hate you I certainly wouldn't ruin a good drink over it.
Hey! If things get too hectic for you I'm sure any Dev would cover you.
For the price of a beer of course.
The real question is, how many beers would it take to get a dev to swap their 'I am a dev' badge. I mean, I know impersonation of a CCP employee is not allowed in game but does that also apply at fanfest?
I guess that depends on how drunk you can get a dev and how much charisma you have trained. I would think that 25 charisma and 2.5-3 hours of drinking with a Dev will score you a badge.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.11.01 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dikanal
Carebears would win logically, "Greifers" are all 13 year old geeks who live in basements and the carebears are all 32 year old hardmen/soldiers/chuck norrises brother.
At least thats the way they spin it
Confirmed
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.01 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim
Originally by: Dikanal
Carebears would win logically, "Greifers" are all 13 year old geeks who live in basements and the carebears are all 32 year old hardmen/soldiers/chuck norrises brother.
At least thats the way they spin it
Confirmed
Confirmed that's the way they spin it
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Sleepkevert
Amarr
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sleepkevert on 01/11/2008 13:51:06
Originally by: Faife
disabled those when what my last one got nerfed, in protest. i even had it correctly sized with pixels to spare n stuff.
Image dimentions were indeed correct, though the filesize was too large (I dunno why they want to keep it that low nowadays tbh, dailup users can simply disable them)
Little test I wrote for requirements here.
As for fanfest, I highly doubt anyone would so much as wave a finger at you, you might get some comments but that's probably all though.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.11.01 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/11/2008 13:56:28
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Dude, even if I had any reason to hate you I certainly wouldn't ruin a good drink over it.
Hey! If things get too hectic for you I'm sure any Dev would cover you.
For the price of a beer of course.
The real question is, how many beers would it take to get a dev to swap their 'I am a dev' badge. I mean, I know impersonation of a CCP employee is not allowed in game but does that also apply at fanfest?
With the massive expansion of CCP staff recently im sure you could pass yourself off as
"CCP penny polisher" or "CCP clog handler" or "CCP in that other department your not in" quite easily. Im not convinced the devs would notice.
Just print out a badge, don your CCP BumBag (14.99 at the eve store) and walk in and make beer jokes.
SKUNK
Originally by: CCP Navigator
People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.11.01 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 01/11/2008 14:16:05
Originally by: Vasili vonHolst
i will wear a **** that reads "I am Vasili"
If your waring a personalized turd I believe carebear relations may be the least of your worries.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.01 15:02:00 -
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You'll be beaten to death! I mean look at Tyrrax last year... he had to go home without his pink hat!!
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.01 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vasili vonHolst
I am strongly considering attending as an experiment (also i have never been to Iceland... could be fun) One more country for the list.
If i attend i will wear a **** that reads "I am Vasili"
The predicted results:
1. i will be beaten, have my drink poisoned, and hated by all devs.
2. I will be loved by care bear haters. They will aid in my defense vs the angry bears i have abused.
Who would win in a 50 vs 50 brawl? Bears, or scumbags like us? I suspect the latter. Thoughts?
I offer free drinks to faction bears i have conned and plunderd + your favorite erm favor. Perhaps this will even the overwhelming bear vs scumbag ratio in out favor?
Wait, I'm confused. Aren't carebears the scumbags?
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.11.01 15:07:00 -
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Show up to fanfest and tell them who you are...
Then tell them you are against drinking alcohol.
Now let's see how many people get into a fight with you =P
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.11.01 15:15:00 -
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starting dev protection agency (concord)
pay beers to dev for protection isk doesn't work if you outside fanfest ( 0.0 )
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.01 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Show up to fanfest and tell them who you are...
Then tell them you are against drinking alcohol.
Now let's see how many people get into a fight with you =P
Vasili vs Fanfest. Get your tickets now
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.11.01 16:26:00 -
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Vasili! you are my pirate hero!
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Dude, even if I had any reason to hate you I certainly wouldn't ruin a good drink over it.
Hey! If things get too hectic for you I'm sure any Dev would cover you.
For the price of a beer of course.
Dear Mr. X.
How many times have you been to the FanFest?
How many people weighing more than you have you seen attend the FanFest?
Do you honestly believe that ANY Dev could withstand the tonnes of fat that would be thrown against them, should the incentive to tickle the OP be in place?
But yeah, Devs can be bribed to do anything for beer. Anything 
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.11.01 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 01/11/2008 18:42:05
Well you're absolutely the kind of person, along with Lofty, who would deserve a good ass-kicking IRL, since your ingame actions are metagaming twisted so as to provide maximum schadenfreude, mightily annoy someone IRL, and bask in the glory of his QQ. You're not playing a game, you're using RL discrepancies (money to pay for a 2nd, 3rd maybe, account) between you and another gamer, and extremely pathetic tactics (pretending to be asking for help). You're basically what comes out of one's bottom after a very spicy curry: quite irritating, but human garbage in the end.
It's just a game, can't you play it as a game? if not, you should reap what you sow, IRL. I believe there's a middle ground between you buying a beer to a loftied target and koreans beating to death an ingame scammer. This middle ground is what you deserve.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 01/11/2008 18:42:05
Well you're absolutely the kind of person, along with Lofty, who would deserve a good ass-kicking IRL, since your ingame actions are metagaming twisted so as to provide maximum schadenfreude, mightily annoy someone IRL, and bask in the glory of his QQ. You're not playing a game, you're using RL discrepancies (money to pay for a 2nd, 3rd maybe, account) between you and another gamer, and extremely pathetic tactics (pretending to be asking for help). You're basically what comes out of one's bottom after a very spicy curry: quite irritating, but human garbage in the end.
It's just a game, can't you play it as a game? if not, you should reap what you sow, IRL. I believe there's a middle ground between you buying a beer to a loftied target and koreans beating to death an ingame scammer. This middle ground is what you deserve.
Confirming that carebears are the actual scumbags.
Also, asking for someone to get beaten IRL because of in-game actions is moronic to begin with, if not outright bannable. It definitely marks you as the scumbag, and people asking for RL attacks on a person because it blew up their shiny spaceship need to have their head examined - or barring that, a taste of their own medicine.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 01/11/2008 19:02:58
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Confirming that carebears are the actual scumbags.
Also, asking for someone to get beaten IRL because of in-game actions is moronic to begin with, if not outright bannable. It definitely marks you as the scumbag, and people asking for RL attacks on a person because it blew up their shiny spaceship need to have their head examined - or barring that, a taste of their own medicine.
Not a carebear here, nor having ever been loftied. You could try and understand that some people playing EvE play it only to grief others, revel in their hatemails and QQ in local. That is bad enough, but it gets ridiculous when they twist every mechanic available, gang trick and alt use -which is metagaming, to get their cruddy kicks at the expense of somebody playing the game in a completely regular way.
Those people don't play a game, they're only enjoying the emotional response of the ganked guys, which stems from the fact that they've just lost a lot of isk, which is really RL time. Since they're only using the game as a means to very real RL griefing, why shouldn't they be subject to RL consequences?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 01/11/2008 19:16:05
Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Not a carebear here, nor having ever been loftied. You could try and understand that some people playing EvE play it only to grief others, revel in their hatemails and QQ in local. That is bad enough, but it gets ridiculous when they twist every mechanic available, gang trick and alt use -which is metagaming, to get their cruddy kicks at the expense of somebody playing the game in a completely regular way.
That's called "intended game mechanics". Fact is, people who don't know game mechanics get no rights to whine. It's not "playing the game in a completely regular way", not knowing mechanics is "playing the game in a clueless way". As a low-sec pirate, I meet and profit from clueless pilots quite often. This game punishes people who don't know game mechanics all the time.
Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Those people don't play a game, they're only enjoying the emotional response of the ganked guys, which stems from the fact that they've just lost a lot of isk, which is really RL time. Since they're only using the game as a means to very real RL griefing, why shouldn't they be subject to RL consequences?
Should people winning your cash in a game of online poker be beaten, too?
EVE is ultimately a game of killing and robbing internet spaceships. Wanting to exert RL violence on someone because someone played by the rules (which you can't be bothered to learn, imagine playing poker for cash without knowing the rules ) and won is not only completely idiotic and indicative that you are not mentally fit to play a online game where loss is a possibility but actually bannable if you state you will hurt someone IRL.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
That's called "intended game mechanics". Fact is, people who don't know game mechanics get no rights to whine. It's not "playing the game in a completely regular way", not knowing mechanics is "playing the game in a clueless way". As a low-sec pirate, I meet and profit from clueless pilots quite often. This game punishes people who don't know game mechanics all the time.
Should people winning your cash in a game of online poker be beaten, too?
EVE is ultimately a game of killing and robbing internet spaceships. Wanting to exert RL violence on someone because someone played by the rules (which you can't be bothered to learn, imagine playing poker for cash without knowing the rules ) and won is not only completely idiotic and indicative that you are not mentally fit to play a online game where loss is a possibility but actually bannable if you state you will hurt someone IRL.
You obviously have no clue about lofty gang tactics which vassilymcstuff has used extensively. CCP had to put messages about warring characters in same gang upon getting invited in a gang when lofty started his pathetic business, then changed the mechanic altogether. The warring-gang-inviting-mission-runner mechanics used were not intended, at all.
If, without you knowing it, someone in an online game of poker plays every player except you in a game, therefore probably guessing your hand, and playing in such a way as to make you bet and lose repeateadly, wouldn't it be sensible to provide him with a good ass-kicking?
There's no problem with playing a game as an asshat within the boundaries of the rules. There's a very big one when you're not playing asshat online but asshat IRL using a gaming interface to grief IRL some unknown fool somewhere in the world. You then deserve a good ass-kicking.
Alt use is unfortunately completely metagame. Extensive and focused use of those, especially in pvp, is catastrophic. Same rules do not apply for everyone. Therefore an eldorado of harvestable Schadenfreude for the IRL griefer using the game interfaces.
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar
Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.11.01 20:18:00 -
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Apologies to people who are annoyed by this post, the idea popped in my head @ close to 6am when i was out of my mind after returning from a halloween party... I posted out of boredom.
EpicFailTroll - Your alt peen is large. Post with your main. I like you.
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Heinky
Amarr
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.11.01 20:37:00 -
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Ive been to every fanfest and never seen anyone beeing beat up or something close to it.
Your enemy buying u beer is not that rare at fanfest tho, thats all u get from them ;)
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.01 20:49:00 -
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Internet psychology sighted in this thread.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.11.01 21:03:00 -
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Hell, I've seen people pick fights because someone looked at them 'funny'. One expects Eve players are a bit less chavlike insane.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.01 21:04:00 -
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you should wear at least some kind of protection (bullet-proof vest, helmet, riot shield, etc) cuz there were a few cases of murder over lineage 2 when ppl meet in rl
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Khraunus
Amarr
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.01 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Vasili! you are my pirate hero!
Vasili alt spotted.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: EpicFailTroll
You obviously have no clue about lofty gang tactics which vassilymcstuff has used extensively. CCP had to put messages about warring characters in same gang upon getting invited in a gang when lofty started his pathetic business, then changed the mechanic altogether. The warring-gang-inviting-mission-runner mechanics used were not intended, at all.
I do know about it. It took about five minutes of familiarizing yourself with C&P forum to find out about the trick. The same way you need to familiarize with ships and modules to find out how ship mechanics work (and no, things like the tracking guide won't teach you crap because it's got 4 pages of false and 1 page of correct but incomplete tracking calculator), you need to familiarize yourself with other mechanics.
On the forums, because CCP never bothered doing actual documentation which is worth a damn. I won a number of fights because people didn't understand the basics of ship fitting or ship piloting even though they had the technically superior ship.
Originally by: EpicFailTroll
If, without you knowing it, someone in an online game of poker plays every player except you in a game, therefore probably guessing your hand, and playing in such a way as to make you bet and lose repeateadly, wouldn't it be sensible to provide him with a good ass-kicking?
No? If it's within the rules, it's within the rules. Imposing your arbitrary set of rules and wanting to enforce them by beating people is not only stupid, but bound to get you shot / locked up eventually.
It's not like you were innocently walking in the meadows and someone mugged you and took your wallet, you decided you were going to gamble, and you lost.
Originally by: EpicFailTroll
There's no problem with playing a game as an asshat within the boundaries of the rules.
There, enough said.
The rest of your post is whining about alts with pseudo-psychology crap and attempting to decipher what were someone's intentions (regardless of the fact that he was only playing the asshat role within the boundaries of the rules) and then deal out ass-kicking about it.
You certainly deserve someone coming to your house and beating the **** out of you for trying to impose your morality on other people playing a internet game by way of physical violence. Taste of your own medicine, so to speak...
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Posted - 2008.11.02 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 02/11/2008 01:56:43
Originally by: Cpt Branko
No? If it's within the rules, it's within the rules. Imposing your arbitrary set of rules and wanting to enforce them by beating people is not only stupid, but bound to get you shot / locked up eventually.
It's not like you were innocently walking in the meadows and someone mugged you and took your wallet, you decided you were going to gamble, and you lost.
The rest of your post is whining about alts with pseudo-psychology crap and attempting to decipher what were someone's intentions (regardless of the fact that he was only playing the asshat role within the boundaries of the rules) and then deal out ass-kicking about it.
You certainly deserve someone coming to your house and beating the **** out of you for trying to impose your morality on other people playing a internet game by way of physical violence. Taste of your own medicine, so to speak...
Alas, EFT has to once again write was he has written half a dozen times already, nurturing the vague hope that you'll get it this time:
- Gankers do not play internet spaceships. They play "grief-someone-through-a-gaming-interface". Look up Schadenfreude also.
- Gankers use grey areas or borderline exploits to gain unfair advantage. This is not completely within the rules, if not completely outside
- Gankers like lofty and vasili use alts, to gain unfair advantage. Alts are a huge problem. Using those against someone who doesn't creates a strange situation where the same rules do not apply to everyone. It can be said that it's not a game anymore then. Or, you could have a boardgame where one player controls two or three factions, without you knowing, and making you believe they're unrelated to each other, if not warring, while you only control one.
- Gankers do not play internet spaceships
- Gankers play "grief-someone-through-a-gaming-interface"
Now to respond to your points without running a quote war:
1) You cannot relate the using of former grey areas to the stupidity of carebears or newbies, but rather to the pathetic ingenuity of gankers who twist every mechanic to gain advantage, preferably in a context where no ganking/griefing is expected. Also, your personal irrelevant success in rather consensual pvp is irrelevant to non-consensual griefing of high-sec mission runners -who i don't particularly care about-.
2)Show me a online game with supposedly "harsh consequences" like EvE or a money game, where you can use whatever number of accounts to get unfair advantage over your fellow gamer
3)Gankers' intentions are crystal clear. Since you live on those forums, surely you could not have missed the numerous posts explicitely stating that the best rewards are hatemail, QQ in local, and sweet tears. If you read vasili's thread about his videos, he himself states that he enjoys being an asshat IRL, and that he does the same ingame. He also does not play the asshat within the boundaries of the rules, as he used grey areas, and took full advantage of the cruddy alt mechanism, which creates a gameplay-breaking discrepancy between players. But the evolution of EvE goes less and less towards a game, and more towards a social networking platform of 30yr old fatties griefing/trolling 15yr old aspergers thiking they're uber because they don't play WOW. They are interchangeable however.
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar
Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.11.02 02:28:00 -
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EpicFailTroll = Alt of of a bear Lofty killed. Called it.
May we know your main?
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.11.02 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vasili vonHolst
EpicFailTroll = Alt of of a bear Lofty killed. Called it.
May we know your main?
See #34. And no. You play grief-someone using grey areas, alts, and pathetic tactics, to strengthen your tough guy image of yourself as well as ingame persona, I play troll-the-forums using alts because it annoys you, and forum war is the only form of pvp where balanced engagement can happen with your kind :-(
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar
Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.11.02 08:08:00 -
[47]
Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Originally by: Vasili vonHolst
EpicFailTroll = Alt of of a bear Lofty killed. Called it.
May we know your main?
See #34. And no. You play grief-someone using grey areas, alts, and pathetic tactics, to strengthen your tough guy image of yourself as well as ingame persona, I play troll-the-forums using alts because it annoys you, and forum war is the only form of pvp where balanced engagement can happen with your kind :-(
My log is long.
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.02 08:14:00 -
[48]
Either epic fail troll is a very successful troll or he needs help.
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar
Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.11.02 08:54:00 -
[49]
I take ee a picture for you failtroll. Pictures i like!
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.02 09:00:00 -
[50]
nice a$$
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar
Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.11.02 09:21:00 -
[51]
i maintain a$$ from many cultures, today special is Chinese. EpicFailTroll needs more in his life me thinks. yar lol
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.02 10:38:00 -
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Nice pic ^^^ moar pls. (lols does she even know you snapped that pic for an imaginary spaceship forum?)
You cannot grief someone in "RL" using EVE. EVE ONLINE is a recreational video game. No one forces you to play so if you are getting "griefed", you are "griefing" yourself. EVE is designed so that everything is pretty much destructible. When your ship blows up, you did not get "griefed" you ship merely was used as designed.
As far as "griefing" goes, I don't think Vasili qualifies. A sob like me who suicides on people for no profit other than to blow them up, yeah that's probably griefing, but Vasili is merely using fair game tricks to get high isk value items from his competition. Competing over limited resources (faction items) is a key component to EVE, the real crime is the massive amounts of assets that are only used in high sec space and not competed over as designed.
EFT really is fail. Vasili is one of the few who expertly did the lofty scam and helped change the rules of EVE. He used questionable rules and used outside-the-box thinking and social engineering to kill his opponents. He is playing a video game on a very high level, instead of being afk miner #5237, he is bending the rules and doing what he must to achieve his goals. Vasili is a great EVE player, you may not like him but you have to respect him.
Love the vid. Oh and I'd wear a hat with it on, T-shirts with slogans are so cliche.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.02 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/11/2008 12:25:08
Originally by: Vaal Erit
You cannot grief someone in "RL" using EVE. EVE ONLINE is a recreational video game. No one forces you to play so if you are getting "griefed", you are "griefing" yourself. EVE is designed so that everything is pretty much destructible. When your ship blows up, you did not get "griefed" you ship merely was used as designed.
This.
Originally by: Vaal Erit
He is playing a video game on a very high level, instead of being afk miner #5237, he is bending the rules and doing what he must to achieve his goals. Vasili is a great EVE player, you may not like him but you have to respect him.
Also this.
Anyone not knowing about the lofty after the first month it was done is a clueless noob anyway. There is no excuse about not knowing game mechanics.
And yes, getting smack is fun.
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Mickey Simon
Hanzai Soshiki
BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.11.02 12:37:00 -
[54]
Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 02/11/2008 02:09:02
- Gankers use grey areas or borderline exploits to gain unfair advantage. This is not completely within the rules, if not completely outside
Odd that I've seen a number of bears logoff instantly when confronted with danger. That's about the same.
Odd that a lot of bears will use alts as scouts, isn't that the same as what you're suggesting pirates do?
You seem to have a mighty large chip on your shoulder. Get over it, and enjoy the game again.
OP: I'd be really scared if someone actually DID try to cause you harm at fanfest over a game. Go and enjoy yourself, take your Vasili shirt too :D
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mahj
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.02 12:56:00 -
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funny how this thread turned, but to reply to how it started. I am a security guard, retired fireman with lots of free time and the only other person i know that plays EVE is a cripple with back problems so there is no way to try and guess who is on that other keyboard...
and how the thread is ending, I once let my son try scamming in lineage 2, due to he thought it was sooo cool. after 5 days at it was able to scamm 30 mill which is alot in L2. He learned that he didnt like himself after it was all done.
He couldent even return the $$ due to the guy quiting. He soon lost interest in the game himself. I felt it was a good lesson and he hasent turned to scamming again.
I have learned through working on an ambulance with 100s of victims that in order to enjoy inflicting emotional pain on others you have to feel like they do yourself.
IE: drunk drivers that blame the person they hit or assault perps that blame the person they beatup or even the EVE poster that blames the "stupid" gamer. My 14 year old son got it after one time so i know hes a good person inside, what do these pro-greifers have as an excuse?
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.02 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: mahj
what do these pro-greifers have as an excuse?
It needs no excuse because its only a game, do you feel that you subjected somebody to intolerable torment when they cant pay your rent on monopoly and you take a property instead of the money? should your opponent feel bullied when they lose a game black jack, do you feel enraged or sympathetic after a multiplayer RTS game? A game has rules and all players should be prepared to use and to see other players make full use of the rules.
In all cases such emotional attachment is unhealthy at best if you somebody is unable see the distinction between a game and real life they really need to step back or take up a new hobby.
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mahj
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.02 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dikanal
Originally by: mahj
what do these pro-greifers have as an excuse?
It needs no excuse because its only a game, do you feel that you subjected somebody to intolerable torment when they cant pay your rent on monopoly and you take a property instead of the money? should your opponent feel bullied when they lose a game black jack, do you feel enraged or sympathetic after a multiplayer RTS game? A game has rules and all players should be prepared to use and to see other players make full use of the rules.
In all cases such emotional attachment is unhealthy at best if you somebody is unable see the distinction between a game and real life they really need to step back or take up a new hobby.
If only we could all feel the same about a game but alas... not all do. even my son realised that at 14 so its no excuse for an adult either. and what about that chinese farmer that just needs to feed his kids? Big bad joe pirate/scammer takes his isk earnings for the day so he goes home with nothing ,do you have ANY emotional attachment? Yes it would be great if this were just a game but no one can deny that $1000s of real life $$ change hands every week here. Find a new excuse or get a moral center.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.02 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vasili vonHolst
I take ee a picture for you failtroll. Pictures i like!
I doubt your sister likes
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn
NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.02 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: mahj
Originally by: Dikanal
Originally by: mahj
what do these pro-greifers have as an excuse?
It needs no excuse because its only a game, do you feel that you subjected somebody to intolerable torment when they cant pay your rent on monopoly and you take a property instead of the money? should your opponent feel bullied when they lose a game black jack, do you feel enraged or sympathetic after a multiplayer RTS game? A game has rules and all players should be prepared to use and to see other players make full use of the rules.
In all cases such emotional attachment is unhealthy at best if you somebody is unable see the distinction between a game and real life they really need to step back or take up a new hobby.
If only we could all feel the same about a game but alas... not all do. even my son realised that at 14 so its no excuse for an adult either. and what about that chinese farmer that just needs to feed his kids? Big bad joe pirate/scammer takes his isk earnings for the day so he goes home with nothing ,do you have ANY emotional attachment? Yes it would be great if this were just a game but no one can deny that $1000s of real life $$ change hands every week here. Find a new excuse or get a moral center.
Farmers are operating outside the rules and boundaries of the game, of course human exploitation is distasteful and a sorry situation but that's not the gamers who are operating within the intended frame work fault that's a issue with poverty and inequality.
FYI I have a well defined moral center IRL and have a set of personal limits on my activity within a game (like not screwing over people who do right by me) but to expect other players to abide by my personal expectations is unrealistic as I understand that its just a game and other people play the game their own way and insulting people or calling into question other players RL morality is a foolish act of frustration imposed by an underdeveloped emotional maturity.
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.11.02 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 02/11/2008 14:21:01
This thread increases in goodness. Vasili, you need to live in Paris. People there are completely shallow, ultra postmodern and relativistic, and girls enjoy a wannabe bateman. Lack of empathy passes for toughness so you'll be king of the night. Enjoy your David Guetta.
Vaal Erit: you can grief anybody in RL using anything that he has invested lots of time in, be it through material or virtual means. EvE may be just a game but it's a game where people invest a maybe unhealthy amount of time in -yet I don't believe griefers are enlightened people acting to correct emotional attachments-. It's also a game where you can control several characters at once without anybody knowing it, provided you have more available money/time to fund them. It makes the playfield uneven and transforms what should be a game in a kind of "Time/money consuming interface where the most you invest in, the more you can annoy/reap from your fellow interface user".
Mickey Simon : Logoffski is absurd, and still in place because it's the only sorry way CCP can keep in check bear QQ. They do realize their game has a very big problem that divides population between two extremes, bears and gankers, with all sort of shades in-between. They want their game to cater to pvpers, which would be a mix of those. Engagement rules, security status rules, no incentive to police space lanes & all incentive to gatecamp turn empire space into those two extremes categories, bears and gankers.
Using alts as scouts is stupid, yet it works, because the mechanisms in place are pretty stupid atm. But there's sillier: a mission runner putting a disposable sec status alt at his acceleration gate to scram and destroy the incoming positive sec status prober alt of a pirate. How mongoloid can this get?
Dikanal: the loss in time investment in a game of monopoly or RTS is an hour at best. Not the case in EvE. Also, a game has rules, and rules are bent or not even the same for everyone in EvE -alt problem-, as I have amply demonstrated.
Griefers fully see the distinction between game and real life. This "game" here is a mythical land for them. You've got people thinking it's a very well designed, extremely immersive and complex game, that is very demanding on all levels, so elation and despair over win and losses are meaningful.
And you've got those griefers, who don't play a game but play their RL tendencies, which are spending all their "game" time to make others feel miserable. Just because they can, but also because it's the only way they can make contact with somebody else. Hatemail and QQ in local are dear to them, as aggression is more or less the only way for them to relate. They're basically autistic, very much devoid of empathy, and only the strongest and crude feelings move them. They need to have feelings aimed straight at them to communicate with somebody on a deeper level, since they can't reach a middle ground. They're the inverted version of the very much embarrassing goody two-shoes people who only act to get thanks and praises.
In b4 Internet Psychology and snarky one-liners. Also continue to frolic and gargle in the yellow stream of the gankers you admire, the herd mentality is never so amusing to observe as amongst people who have trouble communicating with others. You could also pay attention to what Mahj is saying as he obviously has quite a few clues on human behavior.
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.02 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Garbage
An internet psychology debate is rather pointless agreed but you are saying that a person who would wish/commit RL harm to another person because of activities in a game is a more balanced and healthy person than somebody who would sit down and have a beer and lol with the guy who killed/scammed him at internet spaceships?
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.11.02 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dikanal
you are saying that a person who would wish/commit RL harm to another person because of activities in a game is a more balanced and healthy person than somebody who would sit down and have a beer and lol with the guy who killed/scammed him at internet spaceships?
If ingame activities are aimed at pointless griefing for no reason than get your kicks, if game rules and interface use are bent, and if griefed/scammed person's trust was abused, I'm not seeing any problem in the griefer getting a good asskicking. That doesn't mean the griefed person is healthy and balanced. But it's a clearly saner reaction that sitting down, having a beer and a lol, in which case griefed person is asking for a reacharound.
Reread precedent EFT interventions to further your understanding of how griefers do not play internet spaceships.
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.02 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 02/11/2008 14:47:32
Originally by: Dikanal
you are saying that a person who would wish/commit RL harm to another person because of activities in a game is a more balanced and healthy person than somebody who would sit down and have a beer and lol with the guy who killed/scammed him at internet spaceships?
If game requires a huge time investment and loss has harsh consequences on assets, if said ingame activities are aimed at pointless griefing for no reason than getting your kicks, if game rules and interface use are bent, and if griefed/scammed person's trust was abused, I'm not seeing any problem in the griefer getting a good asskicking. That doesn't mean the griefed person is healthy and balanced. But it's a clearly saner reaction that sitting down, having a beer and a lol, in which case griefed person is asking for a reacharound.
Reread precedent EFT interventions to further your understanding of how griefers do not play internet spaceships.
Poker can have harsh consequences for losing, so its acceptable to use violence if you lose a hand of poker?
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.11.02 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 02/11/2008 15:24:47
Originally by: Dikanal
Poker can have harsh consequences for losing, so its acceptable to use violence if you lose a hand of poker?
Are there grey areas in the poker "rules of engagement"?
Can you play several players at once and make your adversary think they're not the same person?
Hurr durr, you can't grief in poker. Playfield is on the same level for everyone. Bluff and psychological shenanigans are expected. Yet...
Some player, before the game, verbally expresses he wants you to have his back, you have every reason to believe he's sincere (lol sec status). He turns upon and takes advantage of you. Won't you kick his butt after the session?
Please reread all EFT previous posts. Several times.
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.02 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Are there grey areas in the poker "rules of engagement"?
No but if there was it would be sensible to attempt to learn as much as possible before risking significant investment.
Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Can you play several players at once and make your adversary think they're not the same person?
Feasible with online poker and again common sense should make you think carefully about risking significant investment when there are unknown variables.
Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Hurr durr, you can't grief in poker. Playfield is on the same level for everyone. Yet...
No the playing field is not level skill, knowledge and ability along with luck are the main factor
Originally by: EpicFailTroll
Some player verbally expresses he wants you to have his back, you have every reason to believe he's sincere (lol sec status), and turns upon you. Won't you kick his butt after the session?
I wouldn't extend trust to some random dude and would think carefully about any extension of trust because after all every player is out to "win".
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.11.02 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dikanal
No but if there was it would be sensible to attempt to learn as much as possible before risking significant investment.
Feasible with online poker and again common sense should make you think carefully about risking significant investment when there are unknown variables.
No the playing field is not level skill, knowledge and ability along with luck are the main factor, play against a card counter and you could be royally screwed.
I wouldn't extend trust to some random dude and would think carefully about any extension of trust because after all every player is out to "win".
Are you trolling, looking for online pals, or just plain dense? The playing field is level in poker as same rules applies for everyone, and you can't twist them. Both points are not valid in EvE (alts + grey areas). I don't think impersonating is tolerated in online poker, but prove me wrong and tell me how fares a poker site which allows it. I laughed a little at unknown variables. Like it's common sense to suspect all other gamers in a session are the same person.
You also seem to put the fault on unsuspecting players: "Serves right this mission runner wanting to play in high sec for trusting a positive sec status guy with standings that really make believe he's a mission runner looking for help!"
Also serves me right for trying to answer you using logic and common sense, as you obviously don't. Next troll please, EFT says I have a huge hp buffer.
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Nexus Kinnon
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.11.02 19:09:00 -
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postin' to say I'm a fan of Vasili's work.
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.11.02 19:48:00 -
[68]
Ooooh damage control, moving to Out of Pod Experience !
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Jago Kain
Amarr
Pan Galactic Traders
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Posted - 2008.11.02 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: EpicFailTroll
....Are there grey areas in the poker "rules of engagement"?
Can you play several players at once and make your adversary think they're not the same person?
Hurr durr, you can't grief in poker. Playfield is on the same level for everyone. Bluff and psychological shenanigans are expected. Yet...
Erm.... wrong I'm afraid; at least in on-line poker.
Many people play online poker at various sites using VOIP along with another guy(s) at the same table. Whilst against the rules of any site, it is undetectable (unless you're stupid and use the same accounts at the same tables all the time) and easy to get away with. Damn profitable too.... erm, so I am told.
It is even possible to play two hands on the same table using two computers from the same location... if you know how to spoof your IP adress on the second comp.
The playing field is most definately not on the same level for everyone and bluff has less to do with it when you have a better indication of the value of your hand, and those of the other players, because you can "see" two or three sets of hole cards.
Not sure if cheating at online poker counts as griefing, but the consequences for those on the recieving end of the cheating can be dire... although possibly no more dire than anyone who gambles too much is headed for anyway.
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.11.03 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 03/11/2008 01:43:13
Originally by: Jago Kain
Erm.... wrong I'm afraid; at least in on-line poker.
Many people play online poker at various sites using VOIP along with another guy(s) at the same table. Whilst against the rules of any site, it is undetectable (unless you're stupid and use the same accounts at the same tables all the time) and easy to get away with. Damn profitable too.... erm, so I am told.
It is even possible to play two hands on the same table using two computers from the same location... if you know how to spoof your IP adress on the second comp.
The playing field is most definately not on the same level for everyone and bluff has less to do with it when you have a better indication of the value of your hand, and those of the other players, because you can "see" two or three sets of hole cards.
Not sure if cheating at online poker counts as griefing, but the consequences for those on the recieving end of the cheating can be dire... although possibly no more dire than anyone who gambles too much is headed for anyway.
Thanks for the info. I was referring to real poker, as for online one it seemed to me that multi-accounting was surely a bannable yet possibly occurring offense as indeed seeing several hands can lead to guessing your adversary's hand.
I'm not sure either the will of such a player is driven by the joy to cause emotional pain, or plain greed . I'd say 3/4ths greed 1/4 Schadenfreude. Griefing in EvE, even on mission runners, has a much lesser greed component -isk/loot quickly becomes a bonus, the main source of joy being some random guy's hatemail/QQ.
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Raz Bremmen
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.11.03 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Guttripper
Bears versus Scumbags...?
I know the Detroit Lions are having a bad year, but I would not go so far to call them Scumbags. But (my) Chicago Bears should stomp all over them Sunday afternoon, especially with around a 12.5 point spread in the Bears' favor!
That was what this discussion was about, right?
I was thinking the same thing, at first. I'm from Detroit..the Lions are scumbags. Though, they did beat the spread.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.03 03:46:00 -
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Well, Mr EFT, I would remind you that EVE is a unique game. I myself am a bear. I have never succeeded at PvP and really don't have the heart to directly cause another player in EVE to be worse off. However, there are a lot of people out there who derive pleasure and joy from another's pain and suffering. EVE is a world where this is allowed, and perhaps even encouraged. EVE is not for the faint of heart, and the motto here is "adapt or die". As a fellow bear, please don't take this game too seriously, and PLEASE don't ever wish someone physical harm just because they are an ass on this game. At best you reduce yourself to their level, and at the worst you might even become something far worse.
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.11.03 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: EpicFailTroll on 03/11/2008 14:14:31
Originally by: Taedrin
Well, Mr EFT, I would remind you that EVE is a unique game. I myself am a bear. I have never succeeded at PvP and really don't have the heart to directly cause another player in EVE to be worse off. However, there are a lot of people out there who derive pleasure and joy from another's pain and suffering. EVE is a world where this is allowed, and perhaps even encouraged. EVE is not for the faint of heart, and the motto here is "adapt or die". As a fellow bear, please don't take this game too seriously, and PLEASE don't ever wish someone physical harm just because they are an ass on this game. At best you reduce yourself to their level, and at the worst you might even become something far worse.
Well, Mr Taedrin, I would remind you that EvE is barely even a game now, due to much aforementioned discrepancies in gameplay (alts + grey areas). It has become more of a social networking platform. EvE should be a game, played by gamers, where the risks menacing your assets appear in a coherent and believable way, not in some alts & warring gang cruddy tactic.
I expect from gamers to take a game, as a game. When people start using it with the only idea or main motivation to cause real-life disarray to some random guy, when they're not playing the game as an end in itself (besting your adversary & taking his stuff), but rather as a means to grief him IRL (by ganking him and taking his stuff on an uneven playfield due to multiple simultaneous uses of a cloned interface, grey gameplay areas, and impersonating a trustful character -sec status-), they clearly go beyond the scope of the game.
They either take it way too seriously, or don't consider it as a game anymore. In which cases they're entitled to RL consequences for their actions aiming at RL effects, don't you think?
Y'all need to read definitions of what constitutes a game. You'll see where EvE presently fails, and where it is exploited by gankers.
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