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Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.07.02 20:15:00 - [1] I wanna hear the voices of EVE players on the matter of getting a BS or an Elite Cruiser? They both offer great advantages. Any suggestions as to which road to take would be great. Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.07.02 20:15:00 - [2] I wanna hear the voices of EVE players on the matter of getting a BS or an Elite Cruiser? They both offer great advantages. Any suggestions as to which road to take would be great. Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
hatchette	Posted - 2004.07.02 21:13:00 - [3] I would get an elite cruiser, if i were you. Too bad us, common mortals can't get one yet, so we have to stick with good olde battleships.
hatchette	Posted - 2004.07.02 21:13:00 - [4] I would get an elite cruiser, if i were you. Too bad us, common mortals can't get one yet, so we have to stick with good olde battleships.
Koda	Posted - 2004.07.02 22:07:00 - [5] Do you mean Battlecruisers or Destroyers? Honestly, I would probably take either over a BS just 'cuz its something new and shiny to get blown up (and probably a bit cheaper than a BS). -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Koda	Posted - 2004.07.02 22:07:00 - [6] Do you mean Battlecruisers or Destroyers? Honestly, I would probably take either over a BS just 'cuz its something new and shiny to get blown up (and probably a bit cheaper than a BS). -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.07.02 22:43:00 - [7] What are the main differences between Battlecruisers and Destoyers? Thanks Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.07.02 22:43:00 - [8] What are the main differences between Battlecruisers and Destoyers? Thanks Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Meridius	Posted - 2004.07.02 23:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Trey Azagthoth What are the main differences between Battlecruisers and Destoyers? Thanks AFAIK, destroyers are for frig killing mainly. Battlecruisers are cruisers with heavy armor/shielding and some more firepower. ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.07.02 23:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Trey Azagthoth What are the main differences between Battlecruisers and Destoyers? Thanks AFAIK, destroyers are for frig killing mainly. Battlecruisers are cruisers with heavy armor/shielding and some more firepower. ________________________________________________________
Maule	Posted - 2004.07.03 02:05:00 - [11] first of all destroyers is not cruisers.. they are a middle class bewteen either frigs and cruisers or cruisers and bs.. cant remember tho. and I¦m pretty sure thay they are for killing frigs
Maule	Posted - 2004.07.03 02:05:00 - [12] first of all destroyers is not cruisers.. they are a middle class bewteen either frigs and cruisers or cruisers and bs.. cant remember tho. and I¦m pretty sure thay they are for killing frigs
Weirda	Posted - 2004.07.03 04:24:00 - [13] Wouldn't want anybody to break they brain trying to find this: Linkage And for the clicking impaired... Destroyer Tired of trying to hit those pesky little swarms of drones and frigates with your heavy caliber cruise weapons but dont feel that you can afford to sacrifice weapon slots on small faster tracking weapons. This is when you need a Destroyer. Possesing the strength and durability of a cruiser and substantialy better velocity it main function is to act as escorts for larger assault ships. Possesing a large number of small weapon slots, it can engage close range threats or blast most smaller ships to pieces in seconds . Nimble yet packs the punch of the Long Limb just before Roe processing. Battlecruisers In tactical operations, heavy firepower is often required but cost issues might prohibit the deployment of full fledged battleships. Battlecruisers are dedicated gunships purely intended for offensive capabilities, where they take the armor and shielding from their bigger brothers while sacrificing total firepower available, but at the same time allowing a larger number of ships beind deployed. Navy captains still refer to them by their ancient name, Pocket Battleships, not that you would want one in your pocket ... Faction Ships Most special factions have their ships designed and manufactured to fit their roles and requirements. These ships are very hard to come by and usually involve very unorthodox ways of acquisition unless you have high ranking contacts within the factions that might have a blueprint or two available for the right price. There is of course an easier way for everything. And yes, it involves shooting. Faction ships are usually weaker than their Empire counterparts but have more capacity and capacity recharge rate to make up their lack in defensive measures. Expect only to see limited run blueprints drop rarely from high level agents, Officers and in Complexes. -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2004.07.03 04:24:00 - [14] Wouldn't want anybody to break they brain trying to find this: Linkage And for the clicking impaired... Destroyer Tired of trying to hit those pesky little swarms of drones and frigates with your heavy caliber cruise weapons but dont feel that you can afford to sacrifice weapon slots on small faster tracking weapons. This is when you need a Destroyer. Possesing the strength and durability of a cruiser and substantialy better velocity it main function is to act as escorts for larger assault ships. Possesing a large number of small weapon slots, it can engage close range threats or blast most smaller ships to pieces in seconds . Nimble yet packs the punch of the Long Limb just before Roe processing. Battlecruisers In tactical operations, heavy firepower is often required but cost issues might prohibit the deployment of full fledged battleships. Battlecruisers are dedicated gunships purely intended for offensive capabilities, where they take the armor and shielding from their bigger brothers while sacrificing total firepower available, but at the same time allowing a larger number of ships beind deployed. Navy captains still refer to them by their ancient name, Pocket Battleships, not that you would want one in your pocket ... Faction Ships Most special factions have their ships designed and manufactured to fit their roles and requirements. These ships are very hard to come by and usually involve very unorthodox ways of acquisition unless you have high ranking contacts within the factions that might have a blueprint or two available for the right price. There is of course an easier way for everything. And yes, it involves shooting. Faction ships are usually weaker than their Empire counterparts but have more capacity and capacity recharge rate to make up their lack in defensive measures. Expect only to see limited run blueprints drop rarely from high level agents, Officers and in Complexes. -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Persia	Posted - 2004.07.03 07:26:00 - [15] Any ideas on the skill requirements for these new classes yet?
Persia	Posted - 2004.07.03 07:26:00 - [16] Any ideas on the skill requirements for these new classes yet?
Nikolai Reidar	Posted - 2004.07.03 07:31:00 - [17] Well if it requires Cruiser Lvl 5 that's stupid. It shouldn't have higher requirements than a BS. Good for CCP to add these classes...it's really stupid to have a price break between nine and sixty million from cruisers to Battleships with nothing in between. :. http://eve.lividandgifted.com (In-game) :. ph33r my HORNETS OF D00M!!!!111
Nikolai Reidar	Posted - 2004.07.03 07:31:00 - [18] Well if it requires Cruiser Lvl 5 that's stupid. It shouldn't have higher requirements than a BS. Good for CCP to add these classes...it's really stupid to have a price break between nine and sixty million from cruisers to Battleships with nothing in between. :. http://eve.lividandgifted.com (In-game) :. ph33r my HORNETS OF D00M!!!!111
hatchette	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:04:00 - [19] Ok so my understanding is this.. destroyers will have large number of high-slots (7 or 8) but low powergrid, so you would only be able to fit medium guns at most. battlecruisers will have low number of high slots (1-3?) but high number of med and/or low slots for shield or armor tanking. That doesn't sound too bad:)
hatchette	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:04:00 - [20] Ok so my understanding is this.. destroyers will have large number of high-slots (7 or 8) but low powergrid, so you would only be able to fit medium guns at most. battlecruisers will have low number of high slots (1-3?) but high number of med and/or low slots for shield or armor tanking. That doesn't sound too bad:)
Mrmuttley	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:30:00 - [21] Originally by: hatchette Ok so my understanding is this.. destroyers will have large number of high-slots (7 or 8) but low powergrid, so you would only be able to fit medium guns at most. battlecruisers will have low number of high slots (1-3?) but high number of med and/or low slots for shield or armor tanking. That doesn't sound too bad:) Yep thats abount how i understood it too. Destroyers will be able to escort BS in combat to kill the drones frigates and interceptors that are Soooooooooo hard to hit with 425mm rails and other enourmous guns. Battlecruisers will be "half a battleship" able to mount the big guns but not as expensive or powerful ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hmmm I need a Sig
Mrmuttley	Posted - 2004.07.03 08:30:00 - [22] Originally by: hatchette Ok so my understanding is this.. destroyers will have large number of high-slots (7 or 8) but low powergrid, so you would only be able to fit medium guns at most. battlecruisers will have low number of high slots (1-3?) but high number of med and/or low slots for shield or armor tanking. That doesn't sound too bad:) Yep thats abount how i understood it too. Destroyers will be able to escort BS in combat to kill the drones frigates and interceptors that are Soooooooooo hard to hit with 425mm rails and other enourmous guns. Battlecruisers will be "half a battleship" able to mount the big guns but not as expensive or powerful ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hmmm I need a Sig
Arud	Posted - 2004.07.03 11:00:00 - [23] hmm not how I understood it Destroyers yes, high amount of high slots, low powergrid Battlecrusiers are basicly support ships, medium amount of high slots, 5-6 and lots of powergrid. Weak on defense since they are just large guns with a thruster to move them around.
Arud	Posted - 2004.07.03 11:00:00 - [24] hmm not how I understood it Destroyers yes, high amount of high slots, low powergrid Battlecrusiers are basicly support ships, medium amount of high slots, 5-6 and lots of powergrid. Weak on defense since they are just large guns with a thruster to move them around.
Kildarin Farushna	Posted - 2004.07.03 11:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Maule first of all destroyers is not cruisers.. they are a middle class bewteen either frigs and cruisers or cruisers and bs.. cant remember tho. and I¦m pretty sure thay they are for killing frigs your saying its a Corvette class ship? ____ ->Lawless<- >>>New Formula<<< >>In your local 0.4 system soon<<
Kildarin Farushna	Posted - 2004.07.03 11:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Maule first of all destroyers is not cruisers.. they are a middle class bewteen either frigs and cruisers or cruisers and bs.. cant remember tho. and I¦m pretty sure thay they are for killing frigs your saying its a Corvette class ship? ____ ->Lawless<- >>>New Formula<<< >>In your local 0.4 system soon<<
zcinner	Posted - 2004.07.03 12:49:00 - [27] elite
zcinner	Posted - 2004.07.03 12:49:00 - [28] elite
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2004.07.03 12:55:00 - [29] Frigate, Cruiser, Destroyer, Battleship, Titan, Doomstar "We brake for nobody"
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2004.07.03 12:55:00 - [30] Frigate, Cruiser, Destroyer, Battleship, Titan, Doomstar "We brake for nobody"
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.07.03 15:17:00 - [31] Originally by: Nikolai Reidar Well if it requires Cruiser Lvl 5 that's stupid. It shouldn't have higher requirements than a BS. Good for CCP to add these classes...it's really stupid to have a price break between nine and sixty million from cruisers to Battleships with nothing in between. Well Nikolai, think about it, Interceptors require a higher Frigate level than Cruisers do, so it would only make sense that Elite Cruisers require a higher Cruiser skill than BS. Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.07.03 15:17:00 - [32] Originally by: Nikolai Reidar Well if it requires Cruiser Lvl 5 that's stupid. It shouldn't have higher requirements than a BS. Good for CCP to add these classes...it's really stupid to have a price break between nine and sixty million from cruisers to Battleships with nothing in between. Well Nikolai, think about it, Interceptors require a higher Frigate level than Cruisers do, so it would only make sense that Elite Cruisers require a higher Cruiser skill than BS. Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.07.03 20:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Frigate, Cruiser, Destroyer, Battleship, Titan, Doomstar I interpreted it as :- Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, Battlecruiser, Battleship, Dreadnought, Titan. Can't wait to get my hands on some new toys, I really want a Caldari Dreadnought. /starts saving his pennies. Eve Blacklight Style
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.07.03 20:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Frigate, Cruiser, Destroyer, Battleship, Titan, Doomstar I interpreted it as :- Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, Battlecruiser, Battleship, Dreadnought, Titan. Can't wait to get my hands on some new toys, I really want a Caldari Dreadnought. /starts saving his pennies. Eve Blacklight Style
HornO	Posted - 2004.07.05 16:52:00 - [35] Edited by: HornO on 05/07/2004 16:54:31 Destroyer: Drone / Frig Killers / Close range threats Strength / Durability of a cruiser with better velocity Escort for larger assault ships. Large number of small weapon slots You can read that as lots of high slots with limited Core and CPU, basically all those neat little small and med turret guns will suddenly really go up in value Battle cruisers Heavy firepower at a lower cost allowing a larger number of ships. Battle cruisers are dedicated gunships purely offensive. BS level armour and shielding sacrificing total firepower. OK the lower cost thing won't be true for the first few months (as with all things new in EVE) but think big ships, with good armour and shields but with few high slots to mount the big guns. It's all on the Shiva site if you can read between the lines. At least until they roll out other ship types
HornO	Posted - 2004.07.05 16:52:00 - [36] Edited by: HornO on 05/07/2004 16:54:31 Destroyer: Drone / Frig Killers / Close range threats Strength / Durability of a cruiser with better velocity Escort for larger assault ships. Large number of small weapon slots You can read that as lots of high slots with limited Core and CPU, basically all those neat little small and med turret guns will suddenly really go up in value Battle cruisers Heavy firepower at a lower cost allowing a larger number of ships. Battle cruisers are dedicated gunships purely offensive. BS level armour and shielding sacrificing total firepower. OK the lower cost thing won't be true for the first few months (as with all things new in EVE) but think big ships, with good armour and shields but with few high slots to mount the big guns. It's all on the Shiva site if you can read between the lines. At least until they roll out other ship types
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.07.05 17:00:00 - [37] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Frigate, Cruiser, Destroyer, Battleship, Titan, Doomstar I interpreted it as :- Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, Battlecruiser, Battleship, Dreadnought, Titan. Can't wait to get my hands on some new toys, I really want a Caldari Dreadnought. /starts saving his pennies. /me also cannot wait for new toys, starts to throw old toys out of pram, gimme gimme gimme... --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.07.05 17:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Frigate, Cruiser, Destroyer, Battleship, Titan, Doomstar I interpreted it as :- Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, Battlecruiser, Battleship, Dreadnought, Titan. Can't wait to get my hands on some new toys, I really want a Caldari Dreadnought. /starts saving his pennies. /me also cannot wait for new toys, starts to throw old toys out of pram, gimme gimme gimme... --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.07.05 17:52:00 - [39] Edited by: Mikelangelo on 05/07/2004 17:55:40 Quote: battlecruisers will have low number of high slots (1-3?) but high number of med and/or low slots for shield or armor tanking Could I ask where you get this slot info from? If true, it would be totally laughable. 3 high slots for a battlecruiser? LOL...a rifter has more than that. And so does a Rupture or a Moa. Hell, a Mammoth has 2 high slots. And you can tank a badger with 6 med slots. Anyway, I'd wait and actually SEE finalized, documented stats before launching into some intensive skill training program. After all, you know it's going to take a month for prices to stabilize anyway, once the BPO comes out. Oh yeah, and that's really soon......
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.07.05 17:52:00 - [40] Edited by: Mikelangelo on 05/07/2004 17:55:40 Quote: battlecruisers will have low number of high slots (1-3?) but high number of med and/or low slots for shield or armor tanking Could I ask where you get this slot info from? If true, it would be totally laughable. 3 high slots for a battlecruiser? LOL...a rifter has more than that. And so does a Rupture or a Moa. Hell, a Mammoth has 2 high slots. And you can tank a badger with 6 med slots. Anyway, I'd wait and actually SEE finalized, documented stats before launching into some intensive skill training program. After all, you know it's going to take a month for prices to stabilize anyway, once the BPO comes out. Oh yeah, and that's really soon......
Nikolai Reidar	Posted - 2004.07.05 19:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Trey Azagthoth Originally by: Nikolai Reidar Well if it requires Cruiser Lvl 5 that's stupid. It shouldn't have higher requirements than a BS. Good for CCP to add these classes...it's really stupid to have a price break between nine and sixty million from cruisers to Battleships with nothing in between. Well Nikolai, think about it, Interceptors require a higher Frigate level than Cruisers do, so it would only make sense that Elite Cruisers require a higher Cruiser skill than BS. Yeah, I know, but I still think it's a funny skill tree. Hell, I have Battleship lvl 5, but I can't pilot a Destroyer? Bah, they could have come up with something a LITTLE smarter :. http://eve.lividandgifted.com (In-game) :. ph33r my HORNETS OF D00M!!!!111
Nikolai Reidar	Posted - 2004.07.05 19:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Trey Azagthoth Originally by: Nikolai Reidar Well if it requires Cruiser Lvl 5 that's stupid. It shouldn't have higher requirements than a BS. Good for CCP to add these classes...it's really stupid to have a price break between nine and sixty million from cruisers to Battleships with nothing in between. Well Nikolai, think about it, Interceptors require a higher Frigate level than Cruisers do, so it would only make sense that Elite Cruisers require a higher Cruiser skill than BS. Yeah, I know, but I still think it's a funny skill tree. Hell, I have Battleship lvl 5, but I can't pilot a Destroyer? Bah, they could have come up with something a LITTLE smarter :. http://eve.lividandgifted.com (In-game) :. ph33r my HORNETS OF D00M!!!!111
Garramon	Posted - 2004.07.05 19:26:00 - [43] Battlecruisers are a highly debated topic on the Shiva boards, and as of yet, the Devs have not given an answer. There are two possible options: ------------------------------------ 1.) Low number of highslots (few BS weapons), but power, armor and shield like a Battleship 2.) High number of highslots (many BS weapons) and high power, but little armor and shield as compared to a Battleship. ------------------------------------ We have decided that theyre description on the Shiva website was written by someone who is not so well versed in English, and therefore take it as they are OFFENSIVE ships, with BS weapons, but low defense. Intended to provide the firepower necessary to take down another BS, but not be able to outlast the direct firepower of a Battleship. ------------------------------------------------
Garramon	Posted - 2004.07.05 19:26:00 - [44] Battlecruisers are a highly debated topic on the Shiva boards, and as of yet, the Devs have not given an answer. There are two possible options: ------------------------------------ 1.) Low number of highslots (few BS weapons), but power, armor and shield like a Battleship 2.) High number of highslots (many BS weapons) and high power, but little armor and shield as compared to a Battleship. ------------------------------------ We have decided that theyre description on the Shiva website was written by someone who is not so well versed in English, and therefore take it as they are OFFENSIVE ships, with BS weapons, but low defense. Intended to provide the firepower necessary to take down another BS, but not be able to outlast the direct firepower of a Battleship. ------------------------------------------------
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2004.07.06 01:40:00 - [45] I think battlecruisers should still bear cruiser level mods, but with more slots... like 6 high, 5 med and 6 lows, more grid and CPU... and more hitpoints... In the end these puppies will only get fielded if they have decent survivability, as opposed to a regular cruiser. Im still working on getting a battleship. Once you can afford one, you make better use of your time in one.
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2004.07.06 01:40:00 - [46] I think battlecruisers should still bear cruiser level mods, but with more slots... like 6 high, 5 med and 6 lows, more grid and CPU... and more hitpoints... In the end these puppies will only get fielded if they have decent survivability, as opposed to a regular cruiser. Im still working on getting a battleship. Once you can afford one, you make better use of your time in one.
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.07.07 08:21:00 - [47] When the Battlecruiser description says "sacrificing fire power" it doesn't mean that the battlecruiser sacrifices firepower. This statement refers to Battlecruiser firepower when compared to BS firepower. Think of Battlecruisers as more powerfull than Normal Cruisers but not as powerfull offensively as Battleships. That is what the author of the description is trying to say. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.07.07 08:21:00 - [48] When the Battlecruiser description says "sacrificing fire power" it doesn't mean that the battlecruiser sacrifices firepower. This statement refers to Battlecruiser firepower when compared to BS firepower. Think of Battlecruisers as more powerfull than Normal Cruisers but not as powerfull offensively as Battleships. That is what the author of the description is trying to say. Pain is meant to be felt
khainestar	Posted - 2004.07.07 12:38:00 - [49] According to eve-db the destoyer skill prerequisites are spaceship command lvl3 and interceptors lvl3. Battlecruisers need spaceship command lvl3 and escorts lvl3. The escort skill needs spaceship command lvl1 and engineering lvl5. (btw thats escorts NOT escort tactics). I have no reason to doubt eve-db's accuracy. There were right about the interceptor skill and the cloaking skills. ----------------------------------------------------- Pain. Looks great on other people. Its what there for.
khainestar	Posted - 2004.07.07 12:38:00 - [50] According to eve-db the destoyer skill prerequisites are spaceship command lvl3 and interceptors lvl3. Battlecruisers need spaceship command lvl3 and escorts lvl3. The escort skill needs spaceship command lvl1 and engineering lvl5. (btw thats escorts NOT escort tactics). I have no reason to doubt eve-db's accuracy. There were right about the interceptor skill and the cloaking skills. ----------------------------------------------------- Pain. Looks great on other people. Its what there for.

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