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MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:40:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:Ptraci wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:I am not really impressed.. Going by these poasts, those are not permanent bans =/ You missed the bit where the botters log back in to wallets with iskies in the negative billions. Oh and have you ever tried to SELL something when your wallet is empty? The game code deducts the broker fee/taxes FIRST before crediting your account. So if you have zero isk and sell that 10M isk item, you won't be able to sell it because you can't afford the taxes/fees. Now imagine if you have -18 billion... Likewise with Contracts. Also you can't station trade with a negative wallet. Move or Upgrade clones.. etc..
You know what would make that even more painful? A 0.01isk charge to jettison a can.
I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Andrea Griffin
225
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:44:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I have noticed that simple modules, basic crap dropped by rats, actually have normal prices. I have been noticing a general price increase across several module groups, but I'm not sure if it is related to bot bannings or a general long-term trend. It would be EXCELLENT to see some numbers on module drops before and after mass bannings of bots, as well as county collection, etc.
Yeah, this may mean that some meta-4 stuff that we take for granted may be a luxury in the future, but you know what? That's okay. I'm totally cool with that.
Additionally, with bots removed from the game, I expect PLEX demand to drop somewhat. That is good for those of us who remember PLEX for 150m a piece, long ago...
CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Sidrun
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:47:00 -
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I think those actually caught botting should receive perma bans. Leave the two week stuff for that committed the smaller crimes, whatever they may be. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
287
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:50:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I have noticed that simple modules, basic crap dropped by rats, actually have normal prices. I have been noticing a general price increase across several module groups, but I'm not sure if it is related to bot bannings or a general long-term trend. It would be EXCELLENT to see some numbers on module drops before and after mass bannings of bots, as well as county collection, etc. Yeah, this may mean that some meta-4 stuff that we take for granted may be a luxury in the future, but you know what? That's okay. I'm totally cool with that. Additionally, with bots removed from the game, I expect PLEX demand to drop somewhat. That is good for those of us who remember PLEX for 150m a piece, long ago...
After that point, people will buy PLEX in bulk and demand will increase the price once again to where it levels off. I love how a free-market economy recovers.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated
Broken Chains Alliance
506
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:51:00 -
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ha ha. Botter tears are the best. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
824
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:55:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:I have been noticing a general price increase across several module groups, but I'm not sure if it is related to bot bannings or a general long-term trend. It would be EXCELLENT to see some numbers on module drops before and after mass bannings of bots, as well as county collection, etc.
Most of that is because the lower-priced modules are being bought up and reprocessed into minerals. Especially modules which have a lot of Nocx/Zyd as the 50-75% jump in price in a short time put most of those sell orders below their reproc value.
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Andrea Griffin
225
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:57:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Most of that is because the lower-priced modules are being bought up and reprocessed into minerals. Especially modules which have a lot of Nocx/Zyd as the 50-75% jump in price in a short time put most of those sell orders below their reproc value. That may be; I rarely deal with low end modules for trading though. Usually Meta-3 and Meta-4 modules. That stuff you don't reprocess. : >
CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:10:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:Sentinel Smith wrote:Ptraci wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:I am not really impressed.. Going by these poasts, those are not permanent bans =/ You missed the bit where the botters log back in to wallets with iskies in the negative billions. Oh and have you ever tried to SELL something when your wallet is empty? The game code deducts the broker fee/taxes FIRST before crediting your account. So if you have zero isk and sell that 10M isk item, you won't be able to sell it because you can't afford the taxes/fees. Now imagine if you have -18 billion... Likewise with Contracts. Also you can't station trade with a negative wallet. Move or Upgrade clones.. etc.. You know what would make that even more painful? A 0.01isk charge to jettison a can.
You, Sir, are a sadist.
We approve. Carry on!
EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate. |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
67
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:20:00 -
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Rashmika Clavain wrote:Potamus Jenkins wrote:Quote:I don't have a public IP so it's kinda weird they banned me 2 accounts. i dont think he has a solid understanding of the interwebz Hahah this. I don't have a public IP on a public network. Uhuh!
hey he's got a 192 ip address. no one can find him |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
88
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:49:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Having a game where a lot of people need to play multiple instances of the game just to get enough stimulation to enjoy it is getting close to being too much.
When people need to bot in a game just to enjoy it? They needed to find a new game a LONG time ago...
I don't think it's about stimulation, the farther you go in game, the more useful you find focused characters.
Just like real life, one character cannot be good at everything, at least not for many years. That depth is what keeps people playing long term.
Not to mention, if you live in 0.0, alts are a requirement....Unless you like going to highsec and dying to the constant wardecs. And then listening to your corp/alliance and leadership tell you what a dumbass you are...
So, I guess if you ever leave highsec, you'll understand....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
88
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:51:00 -
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Sidrun wrote:I think those actually caught botting should receive perma bans. Leave the two week stuff for that committed the smaller crimes, whatever they may be.
You really think CCP can afford a 20% hit in subscriptions?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
89
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:15:00 -
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"Boring" is a word 12 year olds use to control their parents. Adults who still use it are lacking in inner resources. Lots of ways to enjoy PVE in Eve. My alt's corp does it all the time. For one thing, we talk to each other in chat. For another, we can hang out on Eve with friends and do something else in real life. Children get bored. Adults develop their inner resources. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
233
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:17:00 -
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Sreegs is Khorne now.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Thundering Herd
118
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:26:00 -
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Awesome thread and link OP.
I flipped back and forth from laughing at the banned botter comments and shaking my head in amazement at the "I got caught cheating and banned, I'm gonna cancel my subs" logic.
Most entertaining
Nothing clever at this time. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
130
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:44:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:While I appreciate everything Stoffer and his team are doing they have an uphill battle. The fundamental problem is that Eve's PvE game play is boring as hell, which will always lead to people finding ways to automate the boring parts away.
Incursions PvE was great fun when it first came out & is still fun but I agree it can use many tweaks. It'd just a few tweaks a month to keep them challenging & a new Incursion every 6 months to a year would be worth the effort IMHO to keep PvE fresh & exciting... Waiting forthe Jovian Incursion CCP! 
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the
Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á
crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
130
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:51:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Sreegs is Khorne now.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
BANS FOR THE BOTT GOD, PERMA BANS FOR THE BOTT THRONES
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the
Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á
crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight
Rise Against All
14
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:57:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Sidrun wrote:I think those actually caught botting should receive perma bans. Leave the two week stuff for that committed the smaller crimes, whatever they may be. You really think CCP can afford a 20% hit in subscriptions?
CCP is NOT taking a 20% subscriber hit. The botters live off Plex....people are buying and hoarding more Plex than are used already, so CCP is making their money regardless.
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Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
42
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:18:00 -
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This will be nice for the min market, What I call the t1 market, but what about the t2 market. The whole moongoo thing is nothing but moon bots. T1 and t2 are mechanized , I don't know much about t3 but I'd say the barrier to making this a free market again is to move that moon goo around and make people work for it.
WHy you say? I just don't think its fair that some people have to work to play the game and others don't. Those are tears I'd like to see. :)
Maybe I'm wrong but if they removed silos or drastically downsized them, wouldn't that turn the who moongoo thing into a courier operation?
Oh, they would bot that too. |
Arec Bardwin
Perkone
Caldari State
268
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:24:00 -
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This is a quality thread! |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
127
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:33:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: We can has thier stuffs?
CCP Stillman wrote: Why yes! Yes we can
Much lulz ensue
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
155
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:06:00 -
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I love how so many of them, seem "entitled" to easy ISK in order to pay for their accounts as if they have a right to play for Free.
On the down side I've noticed a lot less of the guys I had tagged as potential gank victims for being bots online. Humm go figure, that guys whom don't answer your PMs or respond to your ship bumps & harassment are not really just AFK for five mins getting their fix of twinkies and mountain dew.. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
200
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:13:00 -
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Adacia Calla wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Sidrun wrote:I think those actually caught botting should receive perma bans. Leave the two week stuff for that committed the smaller crimes, whatever they may be. You really think CCP can afford a 20% hit in subscriptions? CCP is NOT taking a 20% subscriber hit. The botters live off Plex....people are buying and hoarding more Plex than are used already, so CCP is making their money regardless.
I think both of you are missing the fact that this "20%" figure is something made up on the spot by a botter trying to defend his own actions, with no evidence to support it.
20% is a lot. It's 1-in-5. Do you really think 1-in-5 people who play this game bot? If there are more than 4 people in your corp, I'd be concerned if I were you... |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
78
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:19:00 -
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I showed some of the new people in our corp this and the posts from Sreegs about RMT and botters and warned them not to do either as not only would we pod them back into the last game they were in but we'd report them as well. I don't think any of them were thinking of it but I prefer to make it clear that we won't have that going on in corp.
Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:19:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:not sure whats more delicous? bot tears or innocent victims tears. I say bot tears for the quality of tears.
goon tears
Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears."
especially Goon tears
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
89
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:22:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Adacia Calla wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Sidrun wrote:I think those actually caught botting should receive perma bans. Leave the two week stuff for that committed the smaller crimes, whatever they may be. You really think CCP can afford a 20% hit in subscriptions? CCP is NOT taking a 20% subscriber hit. The botters live off Plex....people are buying and hoarding more Plex than are used already, so CCP is making their money regardless. I think both of you are missing the fact that this "20%" figure is something made up on the spot by a botter trying to defend his own actions, with no evidence to support it.20% is a lot. It's 1-in-5. Do you really think 1-in-5 people who play this game bot? If there are more than 4 people in your corp, I'd be concerned if I were you...
Your not looking at it correctly....
Perhaps the actual number of people might be 5%. But most botters I've seen or heard of don't limit themselves to one bot. They have 5 or 10, or 50. So you can take that 5%, which is probably low and multiple it by 10 accounts on average.....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
128
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:24:00 -
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Someone else once tried to explain that PLEX ingame is a liability to CCP. If they sell 20,000 PLEX in April and those plex all get used in May, they will see a monthly revenue decline for May because the April Plex got used much like a gift certificate. I'd laugh at 20% but CCP will lose active subs due to thier bot ban program. Active subs is a loss, no matter how they get paid. I won't be surprised if they lose 5% on all bot/ RMT and more is possible because Bots are Alts.
It will run much deeper in game if/ when they start hitting the renters alliances. Those alliances are charged rates that impose bot revenue from the systems. So not only will the renters be gone, the alliances that got the renters ISK will have thier faucets dry up. Fun times ahead in Null Sec. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
200
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:26:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Adacia Calla wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Sidrun wrote:I think those actually caught botting should receive perma bans. Leave the two week stuff for that committed the smaller crimes, whatever they may be. You really think CCP can afford a 20% hit in subscriptions? CCP is NOT taking a 20% subscriber hit. The botters live off Plex....people are buying and hoarding more Plex than are used already, so CCP is making their money regardless. I think both of you are missing the fact that this "20%" figure is something made up on the spot by a botter trying to defend his own actions, with no evidence to support it.20% is a lot. It's 1-in-5. Do you really think 1-in-5 people who play this game bot? If there are more than 4 people in your corp, I'd be concerned if I were you... Your not looking at it correctly.... Perhaps the actual number of people might be 5%. But most botters I've seen or heard of don't limit themselves to one bot. They have 5 or 10, or 50. So you can take that 5%, which is probably low and multiple it by 10 accounts on average.....
I think you're missing the point. You can't just make up statistics out of thin air.
Is CCP losing some money in the process of banning accounts? Probably, yeah. I'm sure it's nowhere near 20% though. I think the main point in botting to begin with is to purchase PLEXes, which eliminates some of CCP's income anyway. In total, I bet it's costing them more in man-hours to employ Team Security than they're losing in lost subscription fees. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:38:00 -
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I heart popcorn!
I've read more WoW references in this thread than any I've ever read in my life. Must be working....
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Sharanelle
Citatic Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:01:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:
Is CCP losing some money in the process of banning accounts? Probably, yeah. I'm sure it's nowhere near 20% though. I think the main point in botting to begin with is to purchase PLEXes, which eliminates some of CCP's income anyway. In total, I bet it's costing them more in man-hours to employ Team Security than they're losing in lost subscription fees.
Highlighted the appropriate point.
PLEX is a Zero Sum game as far as CCP is concerned. For every PLEX a botter buys to continue botting, a player forked over cash for. Whether or not they did a 2/4/6 PLEX doesn't matter, those are the buying options given to all subscribers. The only difference to CCP is the name of the person footing the bill for playing the game that month. CCP is losing no revenue due to the PLEX system, and IMHO is why PLEX is genius.
However, PLEXing is supposed to be a reward for players with the skills, time, or ingenuity to make enough fake money to pay another player ISK for their real world cash. I would love to have all the 'free' stuff too, but somehow working on enough ISK to buy that new T2 BS makes it all the more special, both to me and to the bastard who is going to blow it up. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
201
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:18:00 -
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Sharanelle wrote:Amity Lane wrote:
Is CCP losing some money in the process of banning accounts? Probably, yeah. I'm sure it's nowhere near 20% though. I think the main point in botting to begin with is to purchase PLEXes, which eliminates some of CCP's income anyway. In total, I bet it's costing them more in man-hours to employ Team Security than they're losing in lost subscription fees.
Highlighted the appropriate point. PLEX is a Zero Sum game as far as CCP is concerned. For every PLEX a botter buys to continue botting, a player forked over cash for. Whether or not they did a 2/4/6 PLEX doesn't matter, those are the buying options given to all subscribers. The only difference to CCP is the name of the person footing the bill for playing the game that month. CCP is losing no revenue due to the PLEX system, and IMHO is why PLEX is genius. However, PLEXing is supposed to be a reward for players with the skills, time, or ingenuity to make enough fake money to pay another player ISK for their real world cash. I would love to have all the 'free' stuff too, but somehow working on enough ISK to buy that new T2 BS makes it all the more special, both to me and to the bastard who is going to blow it up.
You are of course correct, and I sheepishly apologize for my erroneous statement. Hadn't quite thought that all the way through I guess. 
Thank you for the clarification. |
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