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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:09:00 -
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Elijah Craig wrote:I am very concious of the reduction of Bot activity will also drive long term higher mineral prices.
Also the removal of price ceiling items which were NPC-sold and could be reprocessed into minerals at a competitive price (shuttles, Pax Amarria, etc).
I think, unless CCP heavily nerfs anoms / incursion income, it's probable that hi-sec ores will end up at around 200 ISK/m3 (about 20M/hr solo for a hulk pilot) and null-sec ores should settle in at around 500-600 ISK/m3 (50-60M/hr). Which will make mining as a primary career more viable then it was last year, but still less then running L4s or anoms or incursions.
But I also wouldn't be surprised if CCP takes their finger off the bot-ban button and hi-sec ores drop back down to 100-150 ISK/m3. Or that it rises to 250-300 ISK/m3 in hi-sec for a short-while before settling out come July.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Amarrian Parasylum
Brushie Brushie Brushie
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:17:00 -
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Claire Voyant wrote:Suicide gankers are rethinking their profit margins and buying fewer ships.
Profit margin? Suicide ganking? I suicide for fun, not for profit, more people should too.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:00:00 -
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Justice Comes
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:58:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote: These changes will increase the demand for null bears. There are many high sec industrialists (carebears) that would like to move into null, but are discouraged by the animosity most PVPers feel towards carebears prevents this from happening.
You mean like this kind of thing?
Quote:I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking.
Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1047722#post1047722
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Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:06:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
And for "how much minerals go into a freighter", it is approximately (for an Obelisk):
Trit: 95,003,797
Pyr: 12,588,101
Mex: 4,686,735
Iso: 679,873
Nocx: 200,416
Zyd: 31,525
Mega: 11,261
Which puts build costs at around 1.12B ISK right now. Tritanium is approximately 50% of the build cost, Mex is about 15% and Nocx is about 8%.
But isnt it a known fact for years that if you mine your minerals yourself they are basicly free ? |
Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:48:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:I will agree with you regarding low end mineral prices, but what about high end minerals?
If 40% of high end mins come for the Drone Lands, the only place that min supply is being replaced by will be null sec and wh belt miners. Do you truly believe that null sec miners are gong to start cranking up production under current null sec conditions to cover off that supply drop?
Unless null sec mining mechanisms change dramatically, and null sec alliances change their attitude towards miners, there will be a major shortage of the high end minerals, and prices will reflect that.
So 10% of null sec has been providing 40% of highends but that's going to end? Panic time! That means that those other 90% that have been supplying 60% of the high ends will now have to do their fair share. I guess all those people who have been "not mining" will have to increase their "not mining" by 50%. It's the end of the world as we know it. We will all have to go back to flying noob ships because that will be all we can afford.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
463
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:52:00 -
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Claire Voyant wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:I will agree with you regarding low end mineral prices, but what about high end minerals?
If 40% of high end mins come for the Drone Lands, the only place that min supply is being replaced by will be null sec and wh belt miners. Do you truly believe that null sec miners are gong to start cranking up production under current null sec conditions to cover off that supply drop?
Unless null sec mining mechanisms change dramatically, and null sec alliances change their attitude towards miners, there will be a major shortage of the high end minerals, and prices will reflect that. So 10% of null sec has been providing 40% of highends but that's going to end? Panic time! That means that those other 90% that have been supplying 60% of the high ends will now have to do their fair share. I guess all those people who have been "not mining" will have to increase their "not mining" by 50%. It's the end of the world as we know it. We will all have to go back to flying noob ships because that will be all we can afford.
lol what...
combat mining = something like 40% of the high end minerals
no more combat mining...
one can easily speculate 40% increase in prices.... whats so hard to understand here. |
Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:25:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:lol what...
combat mining = something like 40% of the high end minerals
no more combat mining...
one can easily speculate 40% increase in prices.... whats so hard to understand here.
Because prices have already double for some highends and people are predicting insane levels like 2000% increases. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:53:00 -
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Frieghters, Carriers have doubled too. So have Dreads.
60% of a ship is Trit.
Trit is at 5.51 in Jita and mining trends have changed. When I am in noob corp I preach to the new miners, mine Veld, mine Veld, mine Veld but they want to get some excitement and a measure of progress. Any old time miner knows you can find a dead end system and mine Dense Veld in to oblivion. Best done in an .8 or .9 system because the gankalot gang aren't fussy about .8 or .9 Concord timers. Even myself, knowing better I will scan out a grav and mine Jaspet or Hemo rather than focus on the Veld that I know will make me more ISK.
Being a Veldspar miner is the 'Uncle Owen' job of EVE but it's the backbone of the game too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:32:00 -
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So no chance that people are buying up freighters now on the supposition that after the ship balance pass, freighters will only need faction industrial IV thus dramatically increasing the potential customer base? (Barring CCP changing their mind about BS IV and Industrial IV being prereqs for cap ships.)
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Saidin Thor
Norse Technologies
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:48:00 -
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I'd assume that freighters are enough of an investment that the time barrier to entry is pretty irrelevant during most people's consideration, but I could be wrong. |
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:19:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:So no chance that people are buying up freighters now on the supposition that after the ship balance pass, freighters will only need faction industrial IV thus dramatically increasing the potential customer base? (Barring CCP changing their mind about BS IV and Industrial IV being prereqs for cap ships.)
It's a possibility, I'd not considered that coming up on the horizon *rubs hands*.
Still, it would be a *massive* gamble. When and if that happens is up in the air, it's certainly not looking to be a quick thing, so people would be holding huge quantities for some time and banking on minerals not tanking in the interim. And more specifically, they're banking on trit and mex not tanking in the interim.
Of the 8.3b of minerals I have tied up in freighter production at any given time, 4.1b of that is trit and 2.1b is mex. Whilst people are quite bullish about high end minerals with drone changes etc I'm not so sure the same strength of confidence is there for trit and mex.
Incidentally, I've been recording build prices every 12 days since early August and since 21/Oct (when an ME3 Fen had a 681m build price) the build costs have risen each and every 12 days since. |
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