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Amber Green Thorn Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.04.04 02:18:00 - [1] - Quote What's going on ?? they used to be 600-880 million -- now every one of them is way over a billion. Market manipulation ahead of the goonz little Jita blockade or what?? Riddle me that battwat?
Tauranon Weeesearch 46	Posted - 2012.04.04 02:21:00 - [2] - Quote Construction material prices rises are the cause. Most of them aren't profitable to build in the current overall market.
Brock Nelson 525	Posted - 2012.04.04 02:26:00 - [3] - Quote It takes about 16 days for manufacturing to catch up to prices including the production of component and the ship itself. Signature removed, CCP Phantom
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 133	Posted - 2012.04.04 02:28:00 - [4] - Quote The funny thing about items built entirely from minerals is that when those minerals go up in price, so do those items. Mind blowing, right?
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 198	Posted - 2012.04.04 02:34:00 - [5] - Quote And the drone poo nerf isnt even here yet. Paid just over 600 mill for my Provi a year ago. At 1,330,000,000 in Jita right now. Only reason I haven't sold it is I know it will only get higher.
Amber Green Thorn Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:03:00 - [6] - Quote corestwo wrote: The funny thing about items built entirely from minerals is that when those minerals go up in price, so do those items. Mind blowing, right? Providence Blueprint: Capital Armor plates Capital Cargo bay Capital Construction Parts Capital Prop Engine..... You're a mutt... find these components in a belt please? Idiot troll.
Brock Nelson 525	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:04:00 - [7] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: The funny thing about items built entirely from minerals is that when those minerals go up in price, so do those items. Mind blowing, right? Providence Blueprint: Capital Armor plates Capital Cargo bay Capital Construction Parts Capital Prop Engine..... You're a mutt... find these components in a belt please? Idiot troll. ROFL Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Amber Green Thorn Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:14:00 - [8] - Quote oops sorry durrr bluph dur
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 133	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:17:00 - [9] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: The funny thing about items built entirely from minerals is that when those minerals go up in price, so do those items. Mind blowing, right? Providence Blueprint: Capital Armor plates Capital Cargo bay Capital Construction Parts Capital Prop Engine..... You're a mutt... find these components in a belt please? Idiot troll. holy damn you really are ******** aren't you
Raiz Nhell DEEP CORPS 69	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:22:00 - [10] - Quote ^^^^ What he said... I'm so carebear my Pod bleeds rainbow... Beers + nullsec + dodgy fit = Loss mail
Amber Green Thorn Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:23:00 - [11] - Quote corestwo wrote: Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: The funny thing about items built entirely from minerals is that when those minerals go up in price, so do those items. Mind blowing, right? Providence Blueprint: Capital Armor plates Capital Cargo bay Capital Construction Parts Capital Prop Engine..... You're a mutt... find these components in a belt please? Idiot troll. holy damn you really are ****** aren't you naw -- you're a piece of you goon **--- and child ****or -- Basically f* of* or I'll emo-suicide myself cos you're cyber-bullyi me -- that's a fact.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 133	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:27:00 - [12] - Quote I think I'm being trolled somehow.
Kelsey Lien Darkstar Interstellar Demolitions Conglomerate Ghosts of Avalon 0	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:29:00 - [13] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: The funny thing about items built entirely from minerals is that when those minerals go up in price, so do those items. Mind blowing, right? Providence Blueprint: Capital Armor plates Capital Cargo bay Capital Construction Parts Capital Prop Engine..... You're a mutt... find these components in a belt please? Idiot troll. holy damn you really are ****** aren't you naw -- you're a piece of you goon **--- and child ****or -- Basically f* of* or I'll emo-suicide myself cos you're cyber-bullyi me -- that's a fact. **** am in bath -- life draining AWAY ... COS OF GOONNNNZZZ........ YURGHHHHhhhh... >croak< fart... bubble rises to surface...... You sure have some issues
Amber Green Thorn Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:29:00 - [14] - Quote coresto -- gay?? or do you just like the look?
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 133	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:33:00 - [15] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: The funny thing about items built entirely from minerals is that when those minerals go up in price, so do those items. Mind blowing, right? Providence Blueprint: Capital Armor plates Capital Cargo bay Capital Construction Parts Capital Prop Engine..... You're a mutt... find these components in a belt please? Idiot troll. holy damn you really are ****** aren't you naw -- you're a piece of you goon **--- and child ****or -- Basically f* of* or I'll emo-suicide myself cos you're cyber-bullyi me -- that's a fact. **** am in bath -- life draining AWAY ... COS OF GOONNNNZZZ........ YURGHHHHhhhh... >croak< fart... bubble rises to surface...... Suicide Prevention Hotlines United States: 1-800-784-2433 Canada: 1-877-321-2747 United Kingdoms and Ireland: 08457 90 90 90 Germany: 0800-1110111 Russia: 007 8202 577-577 Denmark: +45 70 201 201 Norway: 815 33 300 Netherlands: 0900 0767
Amber Green Thorn Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:44:00 - [16] - Quote corestwo: Suicide Prevention Hotlines United States: 1-800-784-2433 Canada: 1-877-321-2747 United Kingdoms and Ireland: 08457 90 90 90 Germany: 0800-1110111 Russia: 007 8202 577-577 Denmark: +45 70 201 201 Norway: 815 33 300 Netherlands: 0900 0767 Nice one... kind of you to reach out like that -- you fool. Am reporting you. idiot.
Tauranon Weeesearch 46	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:48:00 - [17] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: You're a mutt... find these components in a belt please? Idiot troll. cap are t1, see example. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Capital_Armor_Plates_Blueprint Feel free to apologise to whoever that was directed to.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 134	Posted - 2012.04.04 03:51:00 - [18] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: Nice one... kind of you to reach out like that -- you fool. Am reporting you. idiot. I'm being absolutely serious. Suicide is no laughing matter - if you need help, reach out. If you don't need help, stop making jokes about it, as it's not very funny.
Suicide Prevention Hotline Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.04.04 04:16:00 - [19] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: naw -- you're a piece of ** you goon **--- and child ****or -- Basically f* of* or I'll emo-suicide myself cos you're cyber-bullyi me -- that's a fact. **** am in bath -- life draining AWAY ... COS OF GOONNNNZZZ........ YURGHHHHhhhh... >croak< fart... bubble rises to surface...... Please check my signature on how to find suicide prevention hotline numbers for your country or if you wish, you can check my bio ingame. Thank you International Association for Suicide Prevention Find a hotline
Katarina Reid Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 161	Posted - 2012.04.04 04:24:00 - [20] - Quote if u cant afford a Freighter i hear iteron v is good
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 819	Posted - 2012.04.04 04:38:00 - [21] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: oops sorry durrr bluph dur -- k am an idiot - but such a huge increase still?? I present to you, the Mineral Price Index - when it goes up, stuff gets more expensive. When it goes up a lot, stuff gets a lot more expensive. http://www.evemarketeer.com/trade/mineralindex Or look at the Mineral price page: http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/18 Click on each of the (8) minerals and look at the Trends graph. Here's the key ones in freighter production. http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/34#3 http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/36#3 http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/info/38#3 And for "how much minerals go into a freighter", it is approximately (for an Obelisk): Trit: 95,003,797 Pyr: 12,588,101 Mex: 4,686,735 Iso: 679,873 Nocx: 200,416 Zyd: 31,525 Mega: 11,261 Which puts build costs at around 1.12B ISK right now. Tritanium is approximately 50% of the build cost, Mex is about 15% and Nocx is about 8%.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 578	Posted - 2012.04.04 05:13:00 - [22] - Quote "Long live the freighters!"
flakeys Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition 235	Posted - 2012.04.04 12:26:00 - [23] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: The funny thing about items built entirely from minerals is that when those minerals go up in price, so do those items. Mind blowing, right? Providence Blueprint: Capital Armor plates Capital Cargo bay Capital Construction Parts Capital Prop Engine..... You're a mutt... find these components in a belt please? Idiot troll. OH MY GOD .....
Lecherito Swag Incorporated 1	Posted - 2012.04.04 13:19:00 - [24] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: Amber Green Thorn wrote: corestwo wrote: The funny thing about items built entirely from minerals is that when those minerals go up in price, so do those items. Mind blowing, right? Providence Blueprint: Capital Armor plates Capital Cargo bay Capital Construction Parts Capital Prop Engine..... You're a mutt... find these components in a belt please? Idiot troll. holy damn you really are ****** aren't you naw -- you're a piece of you goon **--- and child ****or -- Basically f* of* or I'll emo-suicide myself cos you're cyber-bullyi me -- that's a fact. **** am in bath -- life draining AWAY ... COS OF GOONNNNZZZ........ YURGHHHHhhhh... >croak< fart... bubble rises to surface...... Dear sir, I felt compelled to post here that you are an utter thundertwat. Your antics shock the conscience. Best regards, -L
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 138	Posted - 2012.04.04 14:25:00 - [25] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: oops sorry durrr bluph dur -- k am an idiot - but such a huge increase still?? Aww you edited the post.
Claire Voyant 104	Posted - 2012.04.04 15:41:00 - [26] - Quote Amber Green Thorn wrote: oops sorry durrr bluph dur -- k am an idiot - but such a huge increase still?? What happens is that people with too much isk on their hands start buying up minerals in Jita. The price goes up and other people start buying up minerals, some to stockpile for later use, others just to speculate. Then people start buying up battleships to reprocess and eventually freighters. All those minerals either get stockpiled or get sold on the market to be stockpiled by someone else. (Ships can also be stockpiled instead of reprocessed if you want to bet on mineral prices because they should eventually be worth more than their minerals when prices stabilize, but you can always reprocess them later if they aren't.) Meanwhile dronepoo is still coming in by the freighter load and is still being generated like it is going out of style and will be at least another three weeks. Miners are dusting off their hulks getting ready to finally make some serious money. Meanwhile, hoarders are cleaning out their hangars. (I myself am selling a stack of battleships I had leftover after the insurance scams.) Suicide gankers are rethinking their profit margins and buying fewer ships. Eventually, those people sitting on their piles of minerals will eventually sell. Some can afford to wait a very long time, but most realize that this is a probably just a short-term deal and it is better not to wait too long. When they do, things will return to normal. tl;dr - It's just Jita being Jita.
Vince Snetterton Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.04.04 16:25:00 - [27] - Quote Claire Voyant wrote: Amber Green Thorn wrote: oops sorry durrr bluph dur -- k am an idiot - but such a huge increase still?? What happens is that people with too much isk on their hands start buying up minerals in Jita. The price goes up and other people start buying up minerals, some to stockpile for later use, others just to speculate. Then people start buying up battleships to reprocess and eventually freighters. All those minerals either get stockpiled or get sold on the market to be stockpiled by someone else. (Ships can also be stockpiled instead of reprocessed if you want to bet on mineral prices because they should eventually be worth more than their minerals when prices stabilize, but you can always reprocess them later if they aren't.) Meanwhile dronepoo is still coming in by the freighter load and is still being generated like it is going out of style and will be at least another three weeks. Miners are dusting off their hulks getting ready to finally make some serious money. Meanwhile, hoarders are cleaning out their hangars. (I myself am selling a stack of battleships I had leftover after the insurance scams.) Suicide gankers are rethinking their profit margins and buying fewer ships. Eventually, those people sitting on their piles of minerals will eventually sell. Some can afford to wait a very long time, but most realize that this is a probably just a short-term deal and it is better not to wait too long. When they do, things will return to normal. tl;dr - It's just Jita being Jita. I will agree with you regarding low end mineral prices, but what about high end minerals? If 40% of high end mins come for the Drone Lands, the only place that min supply is being replaced by will be null sec and wh belt miners. Do you truly believe that null sec miners are gong to start cranking up production under current null sec conditions to cover off that supply drop? Unless null sec mining mechanisms change dramatically, and null sec alliances change their attitude towards miners, there will be a major shortage of the high end minerals, and prices will reflect that.
Drevlon Rashon EVE University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2012.04.04 16:35:00 - [28] - Quote So basically high end minerals will be back to what they used to be? A brave miners reward for a thankless job.
Elijah Craig Trask Industries Li3 Federation 3	Posted - 2012.04.04 16:55:00 - [29] - Quote I am very concious of the reduction of Bot activity will also drive long term higher mineral prices.
Bugsy VanHalen Society of lost Souls 75	Posted - 2012.04.04 17:07:00 - [30] - Quote At one time mining mercoxit in null was one of the highest isk/hour activities. I have never heard of mercoxit being mined in wormhole grav sites but i guess it is possible. The primary source for morphite is currently drone poo. After the drone POO nerf the primary source will be upgraded sov 0.0 space Most 0.0 alliances are PVP focused using ratting and combat sites to generate the income they need to buy everything they want. However once the drone POO is nerfed there will be a major shortage of morphite and other null sec minerals need to produce what the PVPers want to buy. Null sec industry will become mandatory for any null sec alliance that wants to field T2 equipment Since most 0.0 alliances do not actively support/require a mining division it is hard to find a system with the appropriate upgrades. When this changes 0.0 mining will again be a high income activity. required alliance mining ops and manufacturing will again become common place. Null sec warfare will get more complicated and fun as it will no longer be just about who has the biggest guns but who has enough industry to support and replace their big guns. small alliances will be able to weaken larger alliances by attacking there industry and supply lines A new age is upon us in EVE. It will bring many changes, most for the better. Anti indy alliances will adapt or fall. Many small alliances currently dwelling in NPC null will look to move back to 0.0 space where they can establish there own sovereignty and support there alliance thru industry rather than rely on the ratting that was nerfed during the sov changes. Smaller corps will then be able to move into NPC controlled 0.0 and get a foot hold in null. I see a lot of great things happening in EVE this summer that will only make this game better for everyone. Just maybe it will be enough to reduce some of the less desirable activities that have become so common place such as the blob tatics in null These changes will increase the demand for null bears. There are many high sec industrialists (carebears) that would like to move into null, but are discouraged by the animosity most PVPers feel towards carebears prevents this from happening. These changes may just force the null sec PVPer to realize just how important these other players are to keep there game going. If we can over come that stigma EVE will become a much funner place for everyone. Even the gankers. An increase in null bears will mean an increase in gank targets traveling through low sec. And an increase in small scale combat everywhere. Large fleet battles will still continue but an empires survivability will be much more dependent on keeping there industrial divisions safe.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 824	Posted - 2012.04.04 17:09:00 - [31] - Quote Elijah Craig wrote: I am very concious of the reduction of Bot activity will also drive long term higher mineral prices. Also the removal of price ceiling items which were NPC-sold and could be reprocessed into minerals at a competitive price (shuttles, Pax Amarria, etc). I think, unless CCP heavily nerfs anoms / incursion income, it's probable that hi-sec ores will end up at around 200 ISK/m3 (about 20M/hr solo for a hulk pilot) and null-sec ores should settle in at around 500-600 ISK/m3 (50-60M/hr). Which will make mining as a primary career more viable then it was last year, but still less then running L4s or anoms or incursions. But I also wouldn't be surprised if CCP takes their finger off the bot-ban button and hi-sec ores drop back down to 100-150 ISK/m3. Or that it rises to 250-300 ISK/m3 in hi-sec for a short-while before settling out come July.
I Accidentally YourShip Amarrian Parasylum Brushie Brushie Brushie 157	Posted - 2012.04.04 17:17:00 - [32] - Quote Claire Voyant wrote: Suicide gankers are rethinking their profit margins and buying fewer ships. Profit margin? Suicide ganking? I suicide for fun, not for profit, more people should too.

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Justice Comes Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.04.05 10:58:00 - [34] - Quote Bugsy VanHalen wrote: These changes will increase the demand for null bears. There are many high sec industrialists (carebears) that would like to move into null, but are discouraged by the animosity most PVPers feel towards carebears prevents this from happening. You mean like this kind of thing? Quote: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking. Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1047722#post1047722 This webpage is not available Google Chrome could not load the webpage because forums.eveonline.com took too long to respond. The website may be down, or you may be experiencing issues with your Internet connection.
Myz Toyou Bite Me inc Exhale. 48	Posted - 2012.04.05 11:06:00 - [35] - Quote Scrapyard Bob wrote: And for "how much minerals go into a freighter", it is approximately (for an Obelisk): Trit: 95,003,797 Pyr: 12,588,101 Mex: 4,686,735 Iso: 679,873 Nocx: 200,416 Zyd: 31,525 Mega: 11,261 Which puts build costs at around 1.12B ISK right now. Tritanium is approximately 50% of the build cost, Mex is about 15% and Nocx is about 8%. But isnt it a known fact for years that if you mine your minerals yourself they are basicly free ?
Claire Voyant 105	Posted - 2012.04.05 13:48:00 - [36] - Quote Vince Snetterton wrote: I will agree with you regarding low end mineral prices, but what about high end minerals? If 40% of high end mins come for the Drone Lands, the only place that min supply is being replaced by will be null sec and wh belt miners. Do you truly believe that null sec miners are gong to start cranking up production under current null sec conditions to cover off that supply drop? Unless null sec mining mechanisms change dramatically, and null sec alliances change their attitude towards miners, there will be a major shortage of the high end minerals, and prices will reflect that. So 10% of null sec has been providing 40% of highends but that's going to end? Panic time! That means that those other 90% that have been supplying 60% of the high ends will now have to do their fair share. I guess all those people who have been "not mining" will have to increase their "not mining" by 50%. It's the end of the world as we know it. We will all have to go back to flying noob ships because that will be all we can afford.
Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 463	Posted - 2012.04.05 20:52:00 - [37] - Quote Claire Voyant wrote: Vince Snetterton wrote: I will agree with you regarding low end mineral prices, but what about high end minerals? If 40% of high end mins come for the Drone Lands, the only place that min supply is being replaced by will be null sec and wh belt miners. Do you truly believe that null sec miners are gong to start cranking up production under current null sec conditions to cover off that supply drop? Unless null sec mining mechanisms change dramatically, and null sec alliances change their attitude towards miners, there will be a major shortage of the high end minerals, and prices will reflect that. So 10% of null sec has been providing 40% of highends but that's going to end? Panic time! That means that those other 90% that have been supplying 60% of the high ends will now have to do their fair share. I guess all those people who have been "not mining" will have to increase their "not mining" by 50%. It's the end of the world as we know it. We will all have to go back to flying noob ships because that will be all we can afford. lol what... combat mining = something like 40% of the high end minerals no more combat mining... one can easily speculate 40% increase in prices.... whats so hard to understand here.
Claire Voyant 108	Posted - 2012.04.05 21:25:00 - [38] - Quote Herping yourDerp wrote: lol what... combat mining = something like 40% of the high end minerals no more combat mining... one can easily speculate 40% increase in prices.... whats so hard to understand here. Because prices have already double for some highends and people are predicting insane levels like 2000% increases.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse 102	Posted - 2012.04.05 21:53:00 - [39] - Quote Frieghters, Carriers have doubled too. So have Dreads. 60% of a ship is Trit. Trit is at 5.51 in Jita and mining trends have changed. When I am in noob corp I preach to the new miners, mine Veld, mine Veld, mine Veld but they want to get some excitement and a measure of progress. Any old time miner knows you can find a dead end system and mine Dense Veld in to oblivion. Best done in an .8 or .9 system because the gankalot gang aren't fussy about .8 or .9 Concord timers. Even myself, knowing better I will scan out a grav and mine Jaspet or Hemo rather than focus on the Veld that I know will make me more ISK. Being a Veldspar miner is the 'Uncle Owen' job of EVE but it's the backbone of the game too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk Save Derpy!
stoicfaux 919	Posted - 2012.04.05 23:32:00 - [40] - Quote So no chance that people are buying up freighters now on the supposition that after the ship balance pass, freighters will only need faction industrial IV thus dramatically increasing the potential customer base? (Barring CCP changing their mind about BS IV and Industrial IV being prereqs for cap ships.) You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Saidin Thor Norse Technologies 2	Posted - 2012.04.05 23:48:00 - [41] - Quote I'd assume that freighters are enough of an investment that the time barrier to entry is pretty irrelevant during most people's consideration, but I could be wrong.
Tekota The Freighter Factory 232	Posted - 2012.04.06 00:19:00 - [42] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: So no chance that people are buying up freighters now on the supposition that after the ship balance pass, freighters will only need faction industrial IV thus dramatically increasing the potential customer base? (Barring CCP changing their mind about BS IV and Industrial IV being prereqs for cap ships.) It's a possibility, I'd not considered that coming up on the horizon rubs hands. Still, it would be a massive gamble. When and if that happens is up in the air, it's certainly not looking to be a quick thing, so people would be holding huge quantities for some time and banking on minerals not tanking in the interim. And more specifically, they're banking on trit and mex not tanking in the interim. Of the 8.3b of minerals I have tied up in freighter production at any given time, 4.1b of that is trit and 2.1b is mex. Whilst people are quite bullish about high end minerals with drone changes etc I'm not so sure the same strength of confidence is there for trit and mex. Incidentally, I've been recording build prices every 12 days since early August and since 21/Oct (when an ME3 Fen had a 681m build price) the build costs have risen each and every 12 days since.

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