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Nuala Reece Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.03 11:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? According to them, God gives humans their sexuality. If someone likes people of the same gender, shouldn't christians respect god's wish of those people liking eachother? For the Bible Tells Them So except, apparently, it might not. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2008.11.03 12:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? Here's your answer: - Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. - Leviticus 18:22 - If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Leviticus 20:13 Now can a mod lock this thread already. -------------
Brisco County Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.03 12:04:00 - [33] @OP - don't try to use logic to make sense of religious beliefs. The two just don't mix. You do realize that these are the same people that believe we're here because some rib woman was tricked into eating a magical apple by a talking snake, right?
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.03 12:33:00 - [34] Originally by: KingsGambit Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? Here's your answer: - Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. - Leviticus 18:22 - If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Leviticus 20:13 Now can a mod lock this thread already. Does it say anything about women lying with women being bad, I can not remeber Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.03 12:40:00 - [35] Originally by: KingsGambit Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? Here's your answer: - Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. - Leviticus 18:22 - If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Leviticus 20:13 Now can a mod lock this thread already. Who decided that? On who's authority? Who wrote it down and who edited it? Are we viewing it in the proper zeitgeist? Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart @ Iceland from 3-11 til 8-11
Mary Makepeace Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.03 12:45:00 - [36] it's pretty simple really. there is a misunderstanding about two things. the civil laws associated with a marriage and that a marriage is only something that has power in the eyes of god. they are two different things. one has power of real things, houses, children, incomes etc, and the other only affects your immortal soul.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:03:00 - [37] Originally by: Mary Makepeace your immortal soul. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart @ Iceland from 3-11 til 8-11
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:07:00 - [38] Wow, he asked a simple question, why christians didnt believe homosexuality is fine.... And now ya'll are turning it into a full blown christian bashing session. In before the lock.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:12:00 - [39] Originally by: goodby4u Wow, he asked a simple question, why christians didnt believe homosexuality is fine.... And now ya'll are turning it into a full blown christian bashing session. It's one of the few forms of entertainment that doesn't harm anyone I care about. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart @ Iceland from 3-11 til 8-11
Abraham Azadian Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:18:00 - [40] Originally by: KingsGambit Originally by: Epegi Givo Why are Christians against same-gender marriage? Here's your answer: - Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. - Leviticus 18:22 - If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Leviticus 20:13 Now can a mod lock this thread already. Leviticus 11:9-12 says: 9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. 10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: 11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. 12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. From now on I don't want to see any fundy christian eating shrimps, shells and alikes. If you do so you're going to hell buddy (abomination >>> detestable).
Abraham Azadian Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:19:00 - [41] Edited by: Abraham Azadian on 03/11/2008 13:19:29 soz double post :s
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:25:00 - [42] Originally by: goodby4u Wow, he asked a simple question, why christians didnt believe homosexuality is fine.... And now ya'll are turning it into a full blown christian bashing session. In before the lock. Well it is a hot button topic. When Christianity comes up you better bring the bash for we should all know that Christians bash as well as the next Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
Semkhet The Priory	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:27:00 - [43] This topic is not limited to most christian flavors. Check Islam or Hindouism just to name a few. While the concept of eunuch is accepted in India, women whose sexuality is identified as lesbian are put to death in many parts of the country. Ironically, machism is even present within homosexuality, where male homosexuality is far more accepted than female homosexuality. Generically, as far as religions go, intolerance against sexual "deviation" is logic as soon you take into account two elements which are represented in almost all religions: 1) Endemic proselytism. Most religions seek expansion. 2) Vertical propagation. Most people do not wake up one morning and embrace a given faith. Instead, the core beliefs of over 95% of religious individuals are the result of a doctrinal impregnation which is function both of the belief reigning in the family which raised them and to a lesser degree the society they live in. Therefore it is logic that religions display a low tolerance threshold to any aspect perceived as a potential threat against expansion, since homosexuals have seldom children, and less children means less expansion. Same goes for abortion, euthanasia, and every concept which could decrease the number of members standing under a given religious banner.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:39:00 - [44] Edited by: goodby4u on 03/11/2008 13:41:03 Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: goodby4u Wow, he asked a simple question, why christians didnt believe homosexuality is fine.... And now ya'll are turning it into a full blown christian bashing session. In before the lock. Well it is a hot button topic. When Christianity comes up you better bring the bash for we should all know that Christians bash as well as the next Slade Im a less conventional form of christian, yet, I see no need to question your set of belief as nobody can possibly claim to know what happens after death, especially to the mind(not the brain)but the mind. Also nobody knows what started the big bang either, nor can a christian explain God.... Because of such acts any religion/scientific theory is simply a shot in the dark hoping to hit the sweet spot. EDIT:about the bashing, you will not see me bashing somebody for what he believes because of the above, ever... I might be interested in what his outlook may be, but bashing I do not.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:44:00 - [45] Originally by: goodby4u Also nobody knows what started the big bang either, nor can a christian explain God.... Because of such acts any religion/scientific theory is simply a shot in the dark hoping to hit the sweet spot. Claiming that god started it only moves the problem to the what started god or who created god bit, so religion doesn't solve anything there. Originally by: goodby4u EDIT:about the bashing, you will not see me bashing somebody for what he believes because of the above, ever... I might be interested in what his outlook may be, but bashing I do not. Agreed, but it should also be no reason for any special respect either. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart @ Iceland from 3-11 til 8-11
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.03 13:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: goodby4u Also nobody knows what started the big bang either, nor can a christian explain God.... Because of such acts any religion/scientific theory is simply a shot in the dark hoping to hit the sweet spot. Claiming that god started it only moves the problem to the what started god or who created god bit, so religion doesn't solve anything there. Originally by: goodby4u EDIT:about the bashing, you will not see me bashing somebody for what he believes because of the above, ever... I might be interested in what his outlook may be, but bashing I do not. Agreed, but it should also be no reason for any special respect either. Yes, but you must understand that science believes that things are not everlasting, however christians believe a ton of things are everlasting, so at the moment christians do have the upper hand due to lack of knowledge(or maybe even being right? who knows?). I give no special respect to any religion, aslong as they fall into the catagory of being nonharmfull to my fellow man I let them practice as they wish, this has worked out for me in the past. Dont get me wrong, I find evolutionism interesting, and I treat evolutionists the same as a treat christians, interest in what they believe then tolerance of what he believes.
Max Fashion Fashionable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:05:00 - [47] /assumes people are still interested in the op If you just want to know why Christians think that homosexuality is wrong, then you've pretty much got your answer already: "It's in the Bible." Dig any deeper and you'll probably not going to find much else unless you're talking with a trained theologian. (Honestly, you wouldn't ask the atheist at the checkout counter about evolutionary theory, would you? 90+% of Christians are totally ignorant of the religion they think they believe in.) If your talking about the hate that Christians seem to have against homosexuals (as we've been seeing a lot of here in California lately over Prop 8), then I think it really doesn't have anything to do with religion at all. It's human nature to want to feel superior to others (e.g. "I don't need to be the best, as long as I'm not as bad as that guy..."), and the best way to do that is to identify people who are different from oneself. Sometimes it is those that are physically weaker than you; in this case it is those who are morally 'inferior.' You might feel that lying is morally wrong, but you cannot really hate liars because you have probably lied once or twice before yourself. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is something that many people can bash on mercilessly without any fear of ever having their flames turned back at themselves. Homophobia, racism, religious wars, and playground bullying are all basically iterations of the same thing.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:12:00 - [48] Originally by: goodby4u Im a less conventional form of christian, yet, I see no need to question your set of belief as nobody can possibly claim to know what happens after death, especially to the mind(not the brain)but the mind. Also nobody knows what started the big bang either, nor can a christian explain God.... Because of such acts any religion/scientific theory is simply a shot in the dark hoping to hit the sweet spot. EDIT:about the bashing, you will not see me bashing somebody for what he believes because of the above, ever... I might be interested in what his outlook may be, but bashing I do not. No, I know many Christians are good people and I did not want to imply you were not one, but the Christians that oppose something like gay marriage are definately bashers, for they have no feasible reason to not let it happen and the hate that stems from their mouths is a little beyond crazy. They are the ones that have enough of a population that certain parties cow tow to thus breeding disconent. Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
EpicFailTroll	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:17:00 - [49] Let's hold hands and let us pray the gay away
Baldour Ngarr Aliastra	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:23:00 - [50] Originally by: goodby4u Yes, but you must understand that science believes that things are not everlasting, however christians believe a ton of things are everlasting, so at the moment christians do have the upper hand due to lack of knowledge(or maybe even being right? who knows?). No, they don't. Firstly because they don't, and can't, provide any argument to justify why something should be everlasting; secondly because if they argue that something (God) can exist without needing a cause, they negate any reason to assume a God in the first place, since you can just as easily argue that something (Universe) can exist without needing a cause. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:41:00 - [51] Edited by: goodby4u on 03/11/2008 14:41:29 Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: goodby4u Yes, but you must understand that science believes that things are not everlasting, however christians believe a ton of things are everlasting, so at the moment christians do have the upper hand due to lack of knowledge(or maybe even being right? who knows?). No, they don't. Firstly because they don't, and can't, provide any argument to justify why something should be everlasting; secondly because if they argue that something (God) can exist without needing a cause, they negate any reason to assume a God in the first place, since you can just as easily argue that something (Universe) can exist without needing a cause. How did the big bang happen? What created time, and what was before time? Is there intelligent life out there? What proof does one have that a rock crashed into earth with that extremist bacteria to start the evolution process? What happens to the mind when somebody dies? Where does the energy go after all of it is used up(2nd law of thermodynamics)? Is our universe infinite and if not whats at the end, and the end of that and the end of that etc....? As you can see science cannot explain everything yet, some of the above probably was answered by now but most have not been, and in this there is still a need to theorise about the unknown..... Not to mention the bigbang is hard to prove.
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:49:00 - [52] Originally by: goodby4u As you can see science cannot explain everything yet, some of the above probably was answered by now but most have not been, and in this there is still a need to theorise about the unknown..... Not to mention the bigbang is hard to prove. You want science to have proof of everything, yet religion is required to prove nothing? A little imbalanced, no? Oh, I'm forgetting, anything that doesn't fit in is just god testing our faith. The grandest get out clause ever made up. -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Bistot Kid Originally by: goodby4u As you can see science cannot explain everything yet, some of the above probably was answered by now but most have not been, and in this there is still a need to theorise about the unknown..... Not to mention the bigbang is hard to prove. You want science to have proof of everything, yet religion is required to prove nothing? A little imbalanced, no? Oh, I'm forgetting, anything that doesn't fit in is just god testing our faith. The grandest get out clause ever made up. You dont understand religion. Religion is an explenation for things we currently dont understand. And dont put me in the same crowd as bible thumping christians, you dont know what I believe.
Baldour Ngarr Aliastra	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:53:00 - [54] Originally by: goodby4u As you can see science cannot explain everything yet, some of the above probably was answered by now but most have not been, and in this there is still a need to theorise about the unknown.... True, very true. But invoking a God does not supply an answer; it just means instead of explaining where the Universe came from, you now have to explain where God came from. You can't claim "he doesn't need a cause" because the whole crux of your argument is that things MUST have a cause; that's why you invoked God in the first place. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2008.11.03 15:09:00 - [55] Originally by: goodby4u You dont understand religion. Religion is an explenation for things we currently dont understand. And dont put me in the same crowd as bible thumping christians, you dont know what I believe. No, I don't understand the need for religion. There's plenty of things I don't understand, but I don't need to assign all these things to an imaginary being to try to explain them away. I don't know you and don't think I mentioned anything about bible thumping in my post, but I do admit that sounds like fun. -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.11.03 15:29:00 - [56] Religion is about control.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.03 15:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Tzar'rim Religion is about control. Ding /Thread in 4 words Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.11.03 15:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Tzar'rim Religion is about control. Religion itself is not a form of control, its the "church leaders" (And I use that term to apply to all religions) the wield religion as a form of control over individuals who take their beliefs at face value. Christ said to love your neighbor as yourself and yet we had the crusades, inquisitions and so forth in just Christianity alone. Would you say the whole religion is corrupt when such things were ordered and done by those who only claimed to be Christian in name? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.11.03 15:57:00 - [59] Originally by: goodby4u Religion is an explenation for things we currently dont understand. If you don't understand something, it's more intellectually honest to admit that you can't explain it. There are many questions that can never be answered in an objective manner, and we just have to live with that. --- DIY copying in Liekuri 20:1 mineral compression Eve Online folding@home team
Celeritas 5k Caldari Initrode The Core Collective	Posted - 2008.11.03 15:59:00 - [60] Not all Christians are loud, judgmental, hypocritical zealots. It's unfortunate that the most outspoken people are often the dumbest ones-- that goes for any group of people, not just members of christianity. (Take that guy in your corp for example. Every corp has that guy...) Science and religion are two entirely separate realms. There are questions that can and will only ever be answered by science, and there are questions that can and will only ever be answered by religion. (To put it generally, Science answers "how?" while religion answers "why?".) That's why you can have christian scientists. The person who claims that God doesn't exist because science has disproven his existence is not all that different from the person who claims that the world was created in 6 days because the bible said so. - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.

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