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Souverainiste	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:55:00 - [1] Is this a bad joke or what? Personnaly, I'm the kind of guy who likes to run missions alone. A CNR is fine for lvl 4's, but when it comes to lvl 5, its not proper at all. Whats the point of preventing carriers and dreads from entering +0.5 and up? Dont tell me ''lag'', I'm pretty sure it would lag less than Jita is. So I guess training caps ship is useless, since I can't even use them! Lets get in a golem and be lame... Seriously, think about it again... It is simply lame. I'm sure vets will tell me to stfu and get a gang, but yeah... Forbiding them here is one of the worst things you've done. Gratz.
midge Mo'yb R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:57:00 - [2] Originally by: Souverainiste Is this a bad joke or what? Personnaly, I'm the kind of guy who likes to run missions alone. A CNR is fine for lvl 4's, but when it comes to lvl 5, its not proper at all. Whats the point of preventing carriers and dreads from entering +0.5 and up? Dont tell me ''lag'', I'm pretty sure it would lag less than Jita is. So I guess training caps ship is useless, since I can't even use them! Lets get in a golem and be lame... Seriously, think about it again... It is simply lame. I'm sure vets will tell me to stfu and get a gang, but yeah... Forbiding them here is one of the worst things you've done. Gratz. They dont allow capital ships into there sovereign space because they could be used to take it :P -----------------------------------------------
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:57:00 - [3] Lucky all L5 agents are in lowsec eh? --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
Lana Lanee	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:58:00 - [4] can u solo a l5 in a dread/carrier?
Dyaven Interstellar Mining and Research	Posted - 2008.11.05 15:59:00 - [5] Edited by: Dyaven on 05/11/2008 15:58:53 Originally by: Lord Haur Lucky all L5 agents are in lowsec eh? [/thread] Originally by: Lana Lanee can u solo a l5 in a dread/carrier? And no, you can't. :)
Souverainiste	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:00:00 - [6] Yes, but some of my missions are in high sec, like .5. So when it happens, I'm screwed... Being able to use them where missions are located would be usefull, am I wrong?
Dyaven Interstellar Mining and Research	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Souverainiste Yes, but some of my missions are in high sec, like .5. So when it happens, I'm screwed... Being able to use them where missions are located would be usefull, am I wrong? You don't need a cap ship to do any level 5. Most can be done with a battleship and two logistics remote repping.
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Souverainiste Yes, but some of my missions are in high sec, like .5. So when it happens, I'm screwed... Being able to use them where missions are located would be usefull, am I wrong? Correct me if i'm wrong, but I strongly suspect that CCP has ensured that all L5 missions occur in lowsec, probably by putting the agents in constellations with no hisec systems. Also, what's to stop you declining the one mission in hi-sec? --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Dyaven Originally by: Souverainiste Yes, but some of my missions are in high sec, like .5. So when it happens, I'm screwed... Being able to use them where missions are located would be usefull, am I wrong? You don't need a cap ship to do any level 5. Most can be done with a battleship and two logistics remote repping. But that would require teamplay and if I understad the op correct he prefers the single player version of EVE but wants to earn the teamplayers benefits. So please CCP give him what he wants or he will quit in emorage.
Souverainiste	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:06:00 - [10] Edited by: Souverainiste on 05/11/2008 16:07:49 Edited by: Souverainiste on 05/11/2008 16:06:58 I don't like loosing 1.0 standing because I refused 2 missions in high sec. But again, my agent is 1 jump away from high sec, wich is hard to know where he will send me. And I'm not asking much, allow caps ONLY where missions are, I guess it would not be too hard to make right?
Rramar Claime Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Souverainiste Yes, but some of my missions are in high sec, like .5. So when it happens, I'm screwed... Being able to use them where missions are located would be usefull, am I wrong? Also, where exactly are you running missions in your cap ship in low sec? :) Sounds like a begininning of a beautiful fail there. "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes."
Souverainiste	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:10:00 - [12] Don't have a capital ATM, because I cannot even bring it to high sec, so I wont waste 100 days of training...
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Souverainiste Is this a bad joke or what? Personnaly, I'm the kind of guy who likes to run missions alone. A CNR is fine for lvl 4's, but when it comes to lvl 5, its not proper at all. Whats the point of preventing carriers and dreads from entering +0.5 and up? Dont tell me ''lag'', I'm pretty sure it would lag less than Jita is. So I guess training caps ship is useless, since I can't even use them! Lets get in a golem and be lame... Seriously, think about it again... It is simply lame. I'm sure vets will tell me to stfu and get a gang, but yeah... Forbiding them here is one of the worst things you've done. Gratz. Obvious troll is obvious. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. [Vid] I M M O R T A L
Doktor Zorg	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:11:00 - [14] Somebody needs to cue up 'Forums Winers Unite' for the carebear who still hasn't realized that Eve is a multiplayer game in which you are intended to outgrow hi-sec. The OP fails.
Souverainiste	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:12:00 - [15] /b/
Souverainiste	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:14:00 - [16] And my mates would join if we had something to tank with! My CNR's shield is falling in less than 20 secs even with 2 invul T2 and the dmg kind hardener T2...
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Souverainiste And my mates would join if we had something to tank with! My CNR's shield is falling in less than 20 secs even with 2 invul T2 and the dmg kind hardener T2... My mate solos L5s with his Vulture. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. [Vid] I M M O R T A L
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Souverainiste And my mates would join if we had something to tank with! My CNR's shield is falling in less than 20 secs even with 2 invul T2 and the dmg kind hardener T2... The answer here is to resist and buffer tank your raven (no point bringing a CNR to a L5 tbh), and have a basilisk or scimitar in gang. 4 large shield transfers should keep you going. Hell, even a rokh setup for shield transfer, cap recharge and scan res would do the job. As has been said before, Eve is a multiplayer game. Use Friends. --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:20:00 - [19] A mission runner complaining about not being able to come to highsec. I've officially have seen it all. And everybody knows L5's are **** compared to the # of L4's you can complete in that time.
Phaige Minmatar Reaver Construction Services	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Souverainiste Don't have a capital ATM, because I cannot even bring it to high sec, so I wont waste 100 days of training... So, basically, your whining because you can't use a ship in HS that yo don't have and are not even close to flying? ----------------------------------------------- You may be a King or a little Street Sweeper, but sooner or later you dance wi' de' Reaper!
Ricdics Tleilex Developments	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Souverainiste Yes, but some of my missions are in high sec, like .5. So when it happens, I'm screwed... Being able to use them where missions are located would be usefull, am I wrong? So you are saying that you have a Level 5 agent in lowsec. When you accept a mission he sometimes sends you to highsec to complete a Level 5 mission? I am not certain about this but that definitely sounds like a bug.
Souverainiste	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:26:00 - [22] Sounds like a bug to me, too. But like I said, refusing 2 is too much already. We do have cap pilots, but hey, useless here...
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:27:00 - [23] hmmmmmm x basilisk --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
Souverainiste	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:29:00 - [24] Understood, no need to repeat 5 times, yeah ofc basilisk owns. ok cool. But would still be USEFULL to tank with a carrier. You can use it in some missions, and you cant in some others, thats ridiculous...
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Lord Haur Originally by: Souverainiste Yes, but some of my missions are in high sec, like .5. So when it happens, I'm screwed... Being able to use them where missions are located would be usefull, am I wrong? Correct me if i'm wrong, but I strongly suspect that CCP has ensured that all L5 missions occur in lowsec, probably by putting the agents in constellations with no hisec systems. Also, what's to stop you declining the one mission in hi-sec? Around 1/3 of the level 5 missions i get from my agents are in highsec, which is a good thing, since they can be done solo in a nighthawk with faction shield resistance amplifiers. Hopefully this won't be changed. _________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.81 // Angel Cartel +7.60 // Minmatar Republic -8.68 // Gallente Federation -9.88
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Lord Haur Originally by: Souverainiste Yes, but some of my missions are in high sec, like .5. So when it happens, I'm screwed... Being able to use them where missions are located would be usefull, am I wrong? Correct me if i'm wrong, but I strongly suspect that CCP has ensured that all L5 missions occur in lowsec, probably by putting the agents in constellations with no hisec systems. Also, what's to stop you declining the one mission in hi-sec? Wrong. there are various agents in Highsec that give Highsec missions most of the time. There is one located next to stacmon i beleve in gallente space. Gives out missions VS serpentis in highsec about 8/10 missions. I've seen streaks of 20-30 highsec missions in a row when we dumped multiple gangs on the same agent. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Gonzo Hadron Gracious Bodily Harm	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:49:00 - [27] Yeah I agree with the OP. I also want to be able to use a titan in a high sec lvl 5. I can't fly one, or afford one, but I want to do it! EMORAGE!!!
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Souverainiste Is this a bad joke or what? Personnaly, I'm the kind of guy who likes to run missions alone. A CNR is fine for lvl 4's, but when it comes to lvl 5, its not proper at all. Whats the point of preventing carriers and dreads from entering +0.5 and up? Dont tell me ''lag'', I'm pretty sure it would lag less than Jita is. So I guess training caps ship is useless, since I can't even use them! Lets get in a golem and be lame... Seriously, think about it again... It is simply lame. I'm sure vets will tell me to stfu and get a gang, but yeah... Forbiding them here is one of the worst things you've done. Gratz. Lets pretend Empire (highsec) is your home. You live there. Then i put a MA1 Abrahams tank in your living room. Will you be mad? Your awnser is why capitals are not allowed in highsec. And if you say "no" you should stop voting republican. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:54:00 - [29] one of the reasons for no caps in high sec is specifically so people can't run missions in carriers "the more you know" -- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Cassin Bott	Posted - 2008.11.05 16:58:00 - [30] Yes some lvl 5s go to High Sec, no this is not a bug. Also the op seems to not realize is all those lvl 5s with gates also don't allow Caps even in low sec.
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.11.05 17:00:00 - [31] Edited by: Deira Lenia on 05/11/2008 17:00:30 Originally by: Cassin Bott Yes some lvl 5s go to High Sec, no this is not a bug. Also the op seems to not realize is all those lvl 5s with gates also don't allow Caps even in low sec. True, although im not sure if its possible to cyno caps into the actual mission area. Never tried this before. -Edit, will suck with multiple pockets then anyway, feul costs would be rediculus) -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Daitanfutekina Unsoya	Posted - 2008.11.05 18:55:00 - [32] Yes a carrier can do lvl 5's alone Yes there are carriers in hi-sec and they can mine and such.. I used a single armor logistics on a navy raven Fitted with 3x khanid eanm 2x khanid bcu cnr with 3x range rigs 7x t2siege Med slots are empty, looks funny. Giving 65-70km torpedo range and it blew through the last 6 level 5's I've done.
098clone	Posted - 2008.11.05 19:27:00 - [33] I think you all miss the a few hundred carriers remote repping each other and ganking the fk out of everything thats probaly why not or can concord insta pop those too?
Daitanfutekina Unsoya	Posted - 2008.11.05 19:36:00 - [34] Originally by: 098clone I think you all miss the a few hundred carriers remote repping each other and ganking the fk out of everything thats probaly why not or can concord insta pop those too? 3 Concord battleships dump the cap of a capital ship in less than 30 seconds, with no hardeners concord hits you for about 3k wrecking non stop. So you die about 50 seconds after that In a chimera.
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.05 20:11:00 - [35] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 05/11/2008 20:10:55 I HAVE NO PROBLEM USING CAPS IN HIGH SEC. runs away ---<---@ JackFalcord
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.05 20:49:00 - [36] Originally by: Lord Haur Correct me if i'm wrong, but I strongly suspect that CCP has ensured that all L5 missions occur in lowsec Yup, you are wrong. There even are agents that send you close to half the time in highsec. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.11.05 21:20:00 - [37] Originally by: Souverainiste Understood, no need to repeat 5 times, yeah ofc basilisk owns. ok cool. But would still be USEFULL to tank with a carrier. You can use it in some missions, and you cant in some others, thats ridiculous... Look, I'm going to put this one down right now. I rat in a carrier. I run high end cosmic anomalies, and even a few hours camping belts when the spawns are right. They're nice for firepower with the fighters, that's about it. As far as tanking goes, they're actually not that impressive. First off, you may have scads of shield points and resists you can push into the high 80s with T2 components, but you also have a sig radius that pretty much ensures whatever hits you is going to be hitting near the peak of its damage output. In belts and cosmic anomalies, its nothing particularly threatening, but throw in NOS towers, NPC jamming (yes, kids, Dire Guristas can shut the big guys down as easily as anything else) with warp scrambling frigates, and you may actually be shocked at the kind of trouble you can get a capital in against NPCs. I'd honestly have serious second thoughts about putting my Chimera into a level 4 Worlds Collide, because the Tech 2 Battlecruisers can be tanked out so much better to cope with the sheer battering power of the rats in them. As far as damage output, the fighters are pure sex against battlecruiser and battleship rats. They're ok against cruisers, and against frigates and destroyers, they suck horribly. They don't autoaggro successive targets like drones, so if you get jammed up, you're basically piddling your putz waiting to lock on again, praying you can lock on before they start jamming again. Standard drone swarms are nice, but realistically, you can do that kind of firepower with a pair of battleships better equipped to deal with the damage output of the NPCs at a fraction of the billion plus ISK you're spending on the carrier. I only carrier rat because I get bored as hell doing logistics and POS bashing and I'm not overly keen about sticking it in a station that I could lose access to or get camped in, or at a POS where I've had stuff stolen from me before. Capital ratting is a novelty thing, its NOT the best or most efficient way to get the job done. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto Space Exploration and Logistic Services	Posted - 2008.11.06 00:40:00 - [38] Edited by: Stefx on 06/11/2008 00:41:58 Originally by: Souverainiste Edited by: Souverainiste on 05/11/2008 16:07:49 Edited by: Souverainiste on 05/11/2008 16:06:58 I don't like loosing 1.0 standing because I refused 2 missions in high sec. But again, my agent is 1 jump away from high sec, wich is hard to know where he will send me. And I'm not asking much, allow caps ONLY where missions are, I guess it would not be too hard to make right? you can refuse one mission every 4h without standing loss ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon	Posted - 2008.11.06 04:29:00 - [39] the OP is exactly why there is so much hatered for carebears and missioning. Please, jump into traffic
iudex Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.11.06 04:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Stefx you can refuse one mission every 4h without standing loss This. And even refusing them isn't that bad, the faction standig loss isn't bigger as refusing level 4s, its something like 0,01%, you can refuse dozens of missions and repair the faction standing loss with one level 4 storylines. If you train your social skills, the agent/corp standing loss of 3-4 refused missions will be repaired with 1 successfull (at least when you are close to the magic -2 barrier with diplomacy skill at 5) mission. Build up your faction standing, learn how mission-picking works, and there is no problem. Don't know why there are recently so many posts about allowing caps into highsec. As someone mentioned above, most of the missions have acceleration gates anyways. _________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.81 // Angel Cartel +7.60 // Minmatar Republic -8.68 // Gallente Federation -9.88

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