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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.11.06 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks
Due to these reasons and many more I could mention, I have decided to decline your offer of a free "expansion" at this time. Thanks anyway, I know you work hard, but this one isn't for me.
(For the forum *****s, no I am not quiting, no you may not have my stuff, and yes I am aware this is a very emo whine)
Other than this being a giant whine about how the expansion is more of a large patch how do you intend to decline the expansion without quiting.
Honestly you need to be greatful that this sort of stuff is given to us freely with little if any complaint. If CCP really wanted to be like their competition, they would charge 30-50 currency every six months for the new expansion regardless of what that expansion had. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: One SunMirror I am disappointed with the new "expansion", too. There is not much in it and what's there is, to put it mildly, controversial. Just saying.
How is what there controversial other than the nano nerf which will put an end to speed needing speed to beat the opponenet?
The battleship, commandship, battlecruiser, hac, cruiser, missile, tackle and interceptor nerf is kinda contoversial tbh.
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Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.11.06 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: One SunMirror I am disappointed with the new "expansion", too. There is not much in it and what's there is, to put it mildly, controversial. Just saying.
How is what there controversial other than the nano nerf which will put an end to speed needing speed to beat the opponenet?
The battleship, commandship, battlecruiser, hac, cruiser, missile, tackle and interceptor nerf is kinda contoversial tbh.
That and technically its not an expansion, its a patch. A quantum(small) patch.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.11.06 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: One SunMirror I am disappointed with the new "expansion", too. There is not much in it and what's there is, to put it mildly, controversial. Just saying.
How is what there controversial other than the nano nerf which will put an end to speed needing speed to beat the opponenet?
The battleship, commandship, battlecruiser, hac, cruiser, missile, tackle and interceptor nerf is kinda contoversial tbh.
That and technically its not an expansion, its a patch. A quantum(small) patch.
It's stilla free patch, so I fail to see why the OP is complaining. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:08:00 -
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In Soviet Russia expansions do not except you! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Caelum Mortuos
Gallente Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:23:00 -
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When CCP provided huge patches full of new material, the players whined "too much new content, we just want the bugs and lag fixed!!!"
CCP focuses on fixing lag before releasing lots of new content, the players whine "not enough new content!!!"
Go figure
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
It's stilla free patch, so I fail to see why the OP is complaining.
CCP, nerfing everything other then AFs for free Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Bimjo
Caldari Domination. Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lexx Phoebus Edited by: Lexx Phoebus on 06/11/2008 11:30:50 But meh, it is still the best game of its kind - so deal with it
Complacency is not a good game to play If it's the best game of it's kind,only because there is no competition,as soon as a semi decent space opera mmorpg turns up CCP will notice the drop in subscription.
as a CCP and EVE fanboy I have to admit this update looks more like a bug fix than a patch
One new ship and half a dozen new game mechanics doth not maketh a patch
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Dr Axler
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Axler on 06/11/2008 15:45:19
Originally by: Oftherocks Edited by: Oftherocks on 06/11/2008 10:37:11
Stackless IO/Eve 64 bit - The fact you are trying to say this is part of your "expansion" is laughable.
so it would make you feel better if they waited and deployed Stackless IO/Eve 64 bit with the expansion?
as for the speed balancing (not nerf), don't worry, i doubt ccp will brake their own game. sure they might not get it right the first time but stick around and i`m sure you will like what they come up with in the end :) _________________________________________________
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Caiman Graystock
Comrades in Construction Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Caelum Mortuos When CCP provided huge patches full of new material, the players whined "too much new content, we just want the bugs and lag fixed!!!"
CCP focuses on fixing lag before releasing lots of new content, the players whine "not enough new content!!!"
Go figure
QFT
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:54:00 -
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Of course you can decline this expansion, you just have to play on a different server that will not have it installed And since you're leaving this server you might as well contract your stuff to me. _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks ...whine...
duuuude srsly that was bad
so much more to whine about but to reinforce your belives
1) stackless etc .. agree
2) UI changes ... what UI changes its as crap as before
3) SpeedBalance ... balancing a game is not part of an expansion
4) Orca ... agree
5) Yes i want pretty ribbons tyvm , certificates are not up to their full potential however
6) Stargates ... should have been part of the trinity expansion ...
7) Minor improvement but and improvement nontheless
8) GTC is still fked up as only existing pilots will be able to purchase sayd licenses and not for real money, but interesting adition
u should whine much much more im loving it
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Evlyna
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:10:00 -
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Look ma, another whine patch/T20 (ffs get over it)/haz stuff/profit thread.
o/
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Yuleth Gix
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:16:00 -
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Would you like fries with that?
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Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
It's stilla free patch, so I fail to see why the OP is complaining.
The winter expansion is THE highlight of the eve year.Its like christmas for eve players, you see unstable markets, political turmoil, a surge in pop and aswomeness all round.
I too am disappointed in the Quantum Patch.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:28:00 -
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It's not going to be as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
But it will throw a wrench in the gears. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it sure as hell burned in one. Not an 'eve is dying' statement. Just that i think they have turned a blind eye to the delicacy of the game.
...and no, QR is not really an expansion. But they will call it one otherwise they dont get that nifty PR spin. If you want to sell a turd, you dont call it a turd, you call it enhanced premium garden fertilizer
Every major change ppl scream OH NOES! But with this group of developers i get the distinct impression they dont know wtf they are doing.
I believe Zoolopark or whatever his name is once replied to the critisism of one change with "we've had 3 guys working on this for over 2 weeks!". Well, your 3 guys can come to my house and build a garage, but if the **** falls over at the first wind..... ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt! |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks
Medals/Certificates - Really? Are we five year olds looking for pretty ribbons? Who do you think plays this game?
It's called immersion. Why do we need a stargate? We can just imagine it's there by just seeing it in overview. You're just whining for the sake of whining on this one. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 06/11/2008 17:33:22
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Oftherocks
Medals/Certificates - Really? Are we five year olds looking for pretty ribbons? Who do you think plays this game?
It's called immersion. Why do we need a stargate? We can just imagine it's there by just seeing it in overview. You're just whining for the sake of whining on this one.
Well they could have made medals for actual in game accomplishments based off your statistics.... something to achieve and not just create.
The way these will be it's like: "Joe, great job on that op last night, here's a cookie" "frank, killboard looks awsome, have a banana sticker!"
No one will look at your char sheet and say "WOW HE ACHEIVED BLAH BLAH BLAH" , instead they'll just say 'wonder how much **** he ****ed to get his ceo to make all those for him' (or if you are the ceo "way to pat yourself on the back toolbox") ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt! |
Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:37:00 -
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Can I have your free stuff then? I wouldn't mind an extra Orca and some more stacklessIO in my copy of the expansion!
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks
Stackless IO/Eve 64 bit - The fact you are trying to say this is part of your "expansion" is laughable. You already deployed it. It is a tool for you to use to make the game function properly. It would be like saying you have bought some new blades and counting that as an expansion.
Deployed in Jita, and upon request, certain 0.0 systems. Reading comprehension. QR should seat this across the entire cluster
Originally by: Oftherocks UI changes - All I have to say is, "Did you really keep T20 for this?"
At least its a feature, stacking weapons, MASS RELOADING OF GUNS (something we have *****ed about for ages), and finally the UI isn't stuck center screen.
Originally by: Oftherocks Speed Rebalanced - When you announced you were tackling the speed problem I really didn't believe you could make things worse. You have proved me wrong. The idea was to allow for greater variety in set-ups, instead you have made it so there are only 2 viable damage dealers, lasers and rails. You have asked for feedback from the community; why aren't you paying any attention?
While I'm against the nerf in its current form, I have to wonder if you even tried it out, or if your just regurgitating what you've read here. The changes do in fact force you to use different combat strats than we currently employ
Originally by: Oftherocks Orca - The only new ship. It does a bunch of thing poorly, and nothing well. Again you have asked for community feedback and yet ignored all suggestions.
So because it doesn't do what YOU think it should, its a crap ship? FFS, its a mini freighter, what more do you want?
Originally by: Oftherocks Medals/Certificates - Really? Are we five year olds looking for pretty ribbons? Who do you think plays this game?
What?!?! They want to make the game new player friendly?!?!? HOW DARE THEY!
Originally by: Oftherocks New Stargates - I gotta admit, they look nice. Of course the current ones look nice too.
This is probably the only place me and you are on the same page, Trinity is taking way too long to deploy
Originally by: Oftherocks Improved Autopilot - The only real reason for this is so we can avoid Jita. We need to avoid Jita because in the past your servers couldn't handle the load.
Sorry, but there's more fail in your thread. Pirates can now make heavy use of this, to avoid high sec systems by plotting out a route somewhere, and if it still gives you a high sec jump, you just tell it to avoid that system, it re-plots your course
Originally by: Oftherocks GTC/Pilot License - I've posted before what I think of your GTC's and I won't repeat myself on them. But I will say this is just asking for trouble (i.e. scam petitions, monopolies, etc...)
Cause you have sooo many facts on how this system functions, and its been soooo easy to scam on GTC's currently that I'm sure that CCP would let one of its major features go like this.
In closing, I'd like to point out that it was said QR would be deployed in parts, due to its size.
Now, what this means to me as the intelligent player is that CCP has a portion of QR ready, and they are still working on other bits, but they needed to get something down, as both WAR (which is becoming pretty popular) and WoW are both launching expansions over the next few weeks, and CCP in its wisdom is deciding to try and compete with their launches to avoid player bleeding
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
It's stilla free patch, so I fail to see why the OP is complaining.
I'd offer you a free kick in the nuts. I'm sure you would say yes as its free right?
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Lexx Phoebus
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.06 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bimjo
Originally by: Lexx Phoebus Edited by: Lexx Phoebus on 06/11/2008 11:30:50 But meh, it is still the best game of its kind - so deal with it
Complacency is not a good game to play If it's the best game of it's kind,only because there is no competition,as soon as a semi decent space opera mmorpg turns up CCP will notice the drop in subscription.
as a CCP and EVE fanboy I have to admit this update looks more like a bug fix than a patch
One new ship and half a dozen new game mechanics doth not maketh a patch
I think you misread my tone, what i said was sincere i am just at a loss to leave becuase i find that atm it is the only game of its kind; your right though, the developers ignorence will come round to bite them in the ass at some point.
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.11.06 19:46:00 -
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*sigh*
Dude, this is not all. They are announcing the real new stuffs in the fanfest that started... uh.... today.
I for one reserve my right to emoragequit until after the fanfest announcements.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.06 20:58:00 -
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Wow, what a long post for a single ****ty joke, it is like a terrible adam sandler movie.
Right click reload all with a certain ammo, module recharge timers, UI customization and oh yeah FIXING OF LAG is well worth the $0 I have to pay for it.
That you are against CCP releasing anti-lag measures as soon as possible makes you an idiot. You are dumb. Get out. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor
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Posted - 2008.11.06 21:08:00 -
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QR is looking kinda lame tbh even if they dropped the speed stuff there aint much there alot of bg stuff and some minor and late comming ui changes .
i guess we all get a lump of coal this year
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Shinona Tereqa
Tada-O Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 21:12:00 -
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Stop trolling OP.
a) The expansion is free *unlike other such MMO's* b) You claim the orca to be rubbish - have you used it with a high-sec mining op ? c) Lastly, have you ever been happy with EVE ? You seem to claim that anuthing new is rubbish, if you want no change go and play WOW - same dungeons every day.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2008.11.06 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Jacob Mei
It's stilla free patch, so I fail to see why the OP is complaining.
I'd offer you a free kick in the nuts. I'm sure you would say yes as its free right?
Hahah, that's awesome :D
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IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.06 22:06:00 -
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This is gona get complicated (im defending oftherocks because of the obvious *insertdemeaningwordhere* of the responses)
Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Oftherocks
Stackless IO/Eve 64 bit ......
Deployed in Jita, and upon request, certain 0.0 systems. Reading comprehension. QR should seat this across the entire cluster
No...just....no.. in regards Stackless IO to make it short ... network blabla stackless python jadda jadda your probably not going to understand the big words eve64 is the port from 32 to fully 64bit programm both are an all or nothing thing
what you mean is node reinforcement the deployment of high powered servers (wich have like moar of everything compared to the servers that run the rest of eve) upon request (and static for jita, motsu etc)
Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Oftherocks UI changes....
At least its a feature, stacking weapons, MASS RELOADING OF GUNS (something we have *****ed about for ages), and finally the UI isn't stuck center screen.
probably not what the OP realy ment but nevertheless that is a particular feature implemented on the UI UI = user interface thats the whole thing not just the ship status thing last time i checked the whole thing is sitll crap..
Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Oftherocks Orca .....
So because it doesn't do what YOU think it should, its a crap ship? FFS, its a mini freighter, what more do you want?
more like micro freighter
Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Oftherocks Medals/Certificates - Really? Are we five year olds looking for pretty ribbons? Who do you think plays this game?
What?!?! They want to make the game new player friendly?!?!? HOW DARE THEY!
That is perhaps the invisioned reason ... the implementation isnt new player friendly if anything its way too complicated at spots and requires a new play to have a million windows open to know wich modules require the "exploding like a pro" certificate
Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Oftherocks Improved Autopilot
Sorry, but there's more fail in your thread. Pirates can now make heavy use of this, to avoid high sec systems by plotting out a route somewhere, and if it still gives you a high sec jump, you just tell it to avoid that system, it re-plots your course
this is the point where both of you are just wrong im not even going to explain i just cant take the pain srsly
Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Oftherocks GTC/Pilot License .....
Cause you have sooo many facts on how this system functions, and its been soooo easy to scam on GTC's currently that I'm sure that CCP would let one of its major features go like this.
im with you up until I'm sure that CCP would let one of its major features go like this. when i read that i had to laugh uncontrolably thankfully i was not drinking anything at the time
Originally by: Sebea
In closing, I'd like to point out that it was said QR would be deployed in parts, due to its size.
Now, what this means to me as the intelligent player is that CCP has a portion of QR ready, and they are still working on other bits, but they needed to get something down, as both WAR (which is becoming pretty popular) and WoW are both launching expansions over the next few weeks, and CCP in its wisdom is deciding to try and compete with their launches to avoid player bleeding
Yes parts are already deployed , no its not the size
CCP... wisdom .... i truth it could have something to do with other games and their expansions aswell but thats but one piece of the puzzle
in closing i would like to say
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Lt Shard
Shoot To Thrill
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Posted - 2008.11.06 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks Edited by: Oftherocks on 06/11/2008 10:37:11 Over time I have noticed that CCP talk about their expansions as though they are the same as their competitors, but free. I also have read devs say they are "offering" us a free expansion. Based on these facts it only makes sense that we can decline these "offered" free expansions just like one can decline to pay for one of CCP's competitors expansions. Therefore, after checking out the new free expansion named Quantum Rise, I have decided to not accept this particular expansion.
Why have I decided to decline the offer of this expansion? Let me just hit on a few of my reasons:
Stackless IO/Eve 64 bit - The fact you are trying to say this is part of your "expansion" is laughable. You already deployed it. It is a tool for you to use to make the game function properly. It would be like saying you have bought some new blades and counting that as an expansion.
UI changes - All I have to say is, "Did you really keep T20 for this?"
Speed Rebalanced - When you announced you were tackling the speed problem I really didn't believe you could make things worse. You have proved me wrong. The idea was to allow for greater variety in set-ups, instead you have made it so there are only 2 viable damage dealers, lasers and rails. You have asked for feedback from the community; why aren't you paying any attention?
Orca - The only new ship. It does a bunch of thing poorly, and nothing well. Again you have asked for community feedback and yet ignored all suggestions.
Medals/Certificates - Really? Are we five year olds looking for pretty ribbons? Who do you think plays this game?
New Stargates - I gotta admit, they look nice. Of course the current ones look nice too.
Improved Autopilot - The only real reason for this is so we can avoid Jita. We need to avoid Jita because in the past your servers couldn't handle the load.
GTC/Pilot License - I've posted before what I think of your GTC's and I won't repeat myself on them. But I will say this is just asking for trouble (i.e. scam petitions, monopolies, etc...)
Due to these reasons and many more I could mention, I have decided to decline your offer of a free "expansion" at this time. Thanks anyway, I know you work hard, but this one isn't for me.
(For the forum *****s, no I am not quiting, no you may not have my stuff, and yes I am aware this is a very emo whine)
Oh boy...
Stackless IO/Eve 64 bit- Although They did release it before QR its still "Packaged" in it. oh well. ITS GREAT!
UI Changes- I like them :O
Speed rebalanced- *facepalm* really? bring this up again? I don't mind it. so my inty is loosing 500 m/s big deal. its still fast
Orca- its sexy, looks sweet, has a great roll and other ships will be discussed at fanfest.
Medals/Certificates- i see a reason for both, it gives an idea of what skills are good for this ship and stuff and medals... yes i can recall a corp who would LOVE this.
New Stargates- they changed outlying stargates. i.e. Boarder and high way. the others are still there.. plus they look sweet.
Improved autopilot- Love it. i have to. i have a few constantly camped systems on avoid atm. saved my life a few times.
GTC- Inflation in real world has affects on them. also supply and demand.
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Im Lt Shard and i support this expansion!
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.11.06 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Blastil on 06/11/2008 22:44:20 I have fixed your origonal post to whine about Trinity, because Trinity was obviously an unneeded and very thin expansion. Due to emo butthurt I will no longer be playing EVE post Trinity.
Originally by: Oftherocks EVE Voice- The fact that your trying to say this is part of your "expansion" is laughable. You already deployed Eve Voice. Its a tool for you to use to make teh game function properly. Its like sayiing that because it's already been deployed it has to be IMPROVED or some ****. Fleet Invitations- I didn't have problems joining fleets before trinity, so why do we need to fix this? EVE Marketplace UI improvements-"Did you really keep T20 for this?" Female Corpses- I gotta admit, the new female corpse modles look nice, but the old male ones look beter IMHO Exiting Stations on a Velocity- This feature is useless because the only reason why we need it is to adress bumping issues as we undock from stations, and to avoid problems with lag in Jita. Situational Awareness Improvements-"Did you really keep T20 for this?" Overview Improvements- "Did you really keep T20 for this?"
You sir, will not be missed.
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