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Oftherocks Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Oftherocks on 06/11/2008 10:37:11 Over time I have noticed that CCP talk about their expansions as though they are the same as their competitors, but free. I also have read devs say they are "offering" us a free expansion. Based on these facts it only makes sense that we can decline these "offered" free expansions just like one can decline to pay for one of CCP's competitors expansions. Therefore, after checking out the new free expansion named Quantum Rise, I have decided to not accept this particular expansion. Why have I decided to decline the offer of this expansion? Let me just hit on a few of my reasons: Stackless IO/Eve 64 bit - The fact you are trying to say this is part of your "expansion" is laughable. You already deployed it. It is a tool for you to use to make the game function properly. It would be like saying you have bought some new blades and counting that as an expansion. UI changes - All I have to say is, "Did you really keep T20 for this?" Speed Rebalanced - When you announced you were tackling the speed problem I really didn't believe you could make things worse. You have proved me wrong. The idea was to allow for greater variety in set-ups, instead you have made it so there are only 2 viable damage dealers, lasers and rails. You have asked for feedback from the community; why aren't you paying any attention? Orca - The only new ship. It does a bunch of thing poorly, and nothing well. Again you have asked for community feedback and yet ignored all suggestions. Medals/Certificates - Really? Are we five year olds looking for pretty ribbons? Who do you think plays this game? New Stargates - I gotta admit, they look nice. Of course the current ones look nice too. Improved Autopilot - The only real reason for this is so we can avoid Jita. We need to avoid Jita because in the past your servers couldn't handle the load. GTC/Pilot License - I've posted before what I think of your GTC's and I won't repeat myself on them. But I will say this is just asking for trouble (i.e. scam petitions, monopolies, etc...) Due to these reasons and many more I could mention, I have decided to decline your offer of a free "expansion" at this time. Thanks anyway, I know you work hard, but this one isn't for me. (For the forum *****s, no I am not quiting, no you may not have my stuff, and yes I am aware this is a very emo whine)
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:39:00 - [2] Originally by: Oftherocks (For the forum *****s, no I am not quiting, no you may not have my stuff, and yes I am aware this is a very emo whine) Damn, only a few sentences into your post I was thinking "I'd love to have this guy's stuff"... If you'll keep playing, how exactly will you "pass" on QR?
One SunMirror	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:41:00 - [3] I am disappointed with the new "expansion", too. There is not much in it and what's there is, to put it mildly, controversial. Just saying.
Dmian Gallente Gallenterrorisme	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Oftherocks Due to these reasons and many more I could mention, I have decided to decline your offer of a free "expansion" at this time. Thanks anyway, I know you work hard, but this one isn't for me. Welcome to the world of "Incompatible Client", enjoy your Empyrean Age login screen! ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
Samaritan Azuma Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:47:00 - [5] im happy w/ the speed changes sorry most of the guys who spent loads of isk to be OPed are now assed out If it weren't for downtime, I wouldn't make stupid posts.
Mihali	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:50:00 - [6] Obligatory "Can I have your stuff? Go play WOW. Adapt or die" post.
Mallikan Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:51:00 - [7] tl;dr but you're lame and should probably gtfo. --- lol.. I messed up.
Daitanfutekina Unsoya	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:52:00 - [8] the speed changes are good. The double nerf to the webbers is ****ed up. who gave this guy his job anyways. Remember that carrier nerf? At the last fan fest all the ccp employees introduced themselves as the name of the guy who put forward that horendous nerf for a reason. I wonder if they'll have to do the same this year.
Antarr Slagh Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:52:00 - [9] And this couldn't get posted in the tread above...? <- Is not my face now. DUDE MY FACE!
Lord Blandness	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Mihali Obligatory "Can I have your stuff? Go play WOW. Adapt or die" post. Obligatory "Post with your main" post.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.11.06 10:56:00 - [11] It's not an optional expansion(without going into the psychological "mandatory" expansion buying of other games), true it's free where other games charge, but expansion does not include the "optional" in the definition. waits for people to go find their dictionary See? Jones has spoketh, so shalt it be My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
ramification	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Daitanfutekina Unsoya The double nerf to the webbers is ****ed up. The double-nerf to the webber is the best thing about the patch, and a necessary counterbalance to the speed nerf. AFs will finally become useful at close-range. Who knows, maybe even tech 1 frigates will have a proper role now.
Oftherocks Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Sheriff Jones It's not an optional expansion(without going into the psychological "mandatory" expansion buying of other games), true it's free where other games charge, but expansion does not include the "optional" in the definition. waits for people to go find their dictionary See? Jones has spoketh, so shalt it be It's not optional? OMG, I had no idea! (sarcasm off) Look, I'm obviosly not saying I won't download the patch, I am simply trying to make some points. The "expansion" is thin and not very attractive IMO. The whole "free expansion" marketing ploy is BS, it isn't the same as the competitions optional patches that you must buy as it is required to play the game.
FarosWarrior Amarr Sonnema	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:15:00 - [14] I will be happy to say this: you stuff, canihaz? is this my sig? or does my sig start here?
Victor Kruger	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:17:00 - [15] It's also funny that CCP calls "expansion" what other MMOG companies are calling "patch". And yes, I agree with the OP. --------------- Hey, where's my portrait
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:24:00 - [16] While I cant agree with everything the OPs states Im also pretty fed up with CCP's marketing strategy. Quantum Rise is any sort of expansion - sure it resolves some of the lag issues that have made the game unplayable for many, but that's not 'expanding' game content just making current content accesible. CCPs Marketing Department are pretty hopeless: We get a botched proclamation that 30/90day GTCs are going out. The new 'industry patch' is a damp squib throughout. Ghost Training. EVE TV will only show the recording of Fanfest up to 2 Weeks after the event. (Trust me Im not tuning into the news in 2 weeks after the event to find what happend in the US Elections...) Instead we get a new patch who's stand out feature is to enable game time purchases from inside the game - no doubt easing marketing fears of how they manage the revenue flow. All in all its pretty useless PR performance. C. Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
kushkan	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:27:00 - [17] give them a hand and the take a arm in fackt im looking forward for this new expansion
Lexx Phoebus Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:30:00 - [18] Edited by: Lexx Phoebus on 06/11/2008 11:30:50 Yes the changes are crap, the expansion has little substance and no - obviously the devs have little idea what it is they are supposed to be doing. But meh, it is still the best game of its kind - so deal with it
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:34:00 - [19] /me waits to see how the OP can not accept the patch \| update I think you may have problems logging in. also it's ff weekend so we may get to see more stuffs -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:37:00 - [20] Hey, if by some absurd reason he actually quits, ~~I have~~ his corp has dibs for his stuff anyway, so quit fidgeting The man has a point (even if I don't completely agree with his point) - this is probably the "thinnest" expansion, content-wise, and a lot of the things changed in it aren't exactly what anybody would have wanted. And since we won't really quit (we like the overall game too much) and we can't exactly "opt out" of the expansion (his main point), all we have left is complain about it _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:39:00 - [21] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/11/2008 11:38:56 Originally by: Oftherocks Originally by: Sheriff Jones It's not an optional expansion(without going into the psychological "mandatory" expansion buying of other games), true it's free where other games charge, but expansion does not include the "optional" in the definition. waits for people to go find their dictionary See? Jones has spoketh, so shalt it be It's not optional? OMG, I had no idea! (sarcasm off) Look, I'm obviosly not saying I won't download the patch, I am simply trying to make some points. The "expansion" is thin and not very attractive IMO. The whole "free expansion" marketing ploy is BS, it isn't the same as the competitions optional patches that you must buy as it is required to play the game. Who cares if it's called an expansion, add-on, "purty pack 3000" or "the amazing chronicles of wrangler in WoW", it's stuff, it's not optional, it's coming and there's damn all one can do to stop it. Just like me, pretty women, bars and sex nods May be lies... My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Zurrar Gallente Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Oftherocks Edited by: Oftherocks on 06/11/2008 10:37:11 Over time I have noticed that CCP talk about their expansions as though they are the same as their competitors, but free. I also have read devs say they are "offering" us a free expansion. Based on these facts it only makes sense that we can decline these "offered" free expansions just like one can decline to pay for one of CCP's competitors expansions. Therefore, after checking out the new free expansion named Quantum Rise, I have decided to not accept this particular expansion. Why have I decided to decline the offer of this expansion? Let me just hit on a few of my reasons: Stackless IO/Eve 64 bit - The fact you are trying to say this is part of your "expansion" is laughable. You already deployed it. It is a tool for you to use to make the game function properly. It would be like saying you have bought some new blades and counting that as an expansion. UI changes - All I have to say is, "Did you really keep T20 for this?" Speed Rebalanced - When you announced you were tackling the speed problem I really didn't believe you could make things worse. You have proved me wrong. The idea was to allow for greater variety in set-ups, instead you have made it so there are only 2 viable damage dealers, lasers and rails. You have asked for feedback from the community; why aren't you paying any attention? Orca - The only new ship. It does a bunch of thing poorly, and nothing well. Again you have asked for community feedback and yet ignored all suggestions. Medals/Certificates - Really? Are we five year olds looking for pretty ribbons? Who do you think plays this game? New Stargates - I gotta admit, they look nice. Of course the current ones look nice too. Improved Autopilot - The only real reason for this is so we can avoid Jita. We need to avoid Jita because in the past your servers couldn't handle the load. GTC/Pilot License - I've posted before what I think of your GTC's and I won't repeat myself on them. But I will say this is just asking for trouble (i.e. scam petitions, monopolies, etc...) Due to these reasons and many more I could mention, I have decided to decline your offer of a free "expansion" at this time. Thanks anyway, I know you work hard, but this one isn't for me. (For the forum *****s, no I am not quiting, no you may not have my stuff, and yes I am aware this is a very emo whine) nano nerf whine, grow up, eve evolving, and those who dont go with it wont survive (I.E. Quit) its nature, natural selection, i for one am looking forward TO EVERYTHING IN THE EXPANSION! i have a feeling you will be a wow player in a couple weeks when your nano'ed ishtar cant solo 3 battleships anymore...
Oftherocks Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Zurrar nano nerf whine, grow up, eve evolving, and those who dont go with it wont survive (I.E. Quit) its nature, natural selection, i for one am looking forward TO EVERYTHING IN THE EXPANSION! i have a feeling you will be a wow player in a couple weeks when your nano'ed ishtar cant solo 3 battleships anymore... lol I have never flown a nano ship.
baltec1 R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Oftherocks Originally by: Zurrar nano nerf whine, grow up, eve evolving, and those who dont go with it wont survive (I.E. Quit) its nature, natural selection, i for one am looking forward TO EVERYTHING IN THE EXPANSION! i have a feeling you will be a wow player in a couple weeks when your nano'ed ishtar cant solo 3 battleships anymore... lol I have never flown a nano ship. Liez. Even I have gone nano
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.11.06 11:49:00 - [25] Edited by: Confuzer on 06/11/2008 11:49:11 Quote: Improved Autopilot - The only real reason for this is so we can avoid Jita. We need to avoid Jita because in the past your servers couldn't handle the load. I use it alot in 0.0 to avoid to crowded systems. Although it is prob made in a day, cus you just need to exclude the system from the algoritm. All in all, who cares what they call it, does the game change in a negative way because of it? No. Admit it to yourself: You are at an age where your brain must whine all the time. Grumpy old man syndrome. Everybody gets there sometime. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
AkRoYeR	Posted - 2008.11.06 13:37:00 - [26] OMG, that is so true.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.11.06 14:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Confuzer I use it alot in 0.0 to avoid to crowded systems. Although it is prob made in a day, cus you just need to exclude the system from the algoritm. Oh my, a non-coder commenting on how long a feature would take to implement. Congratulations, you're PHB material of the best sort. I, on the other hand, am rather impressed by the architectural changes they went through to get the lag killed, and the amount of work that the speed nerf must have taken. Those alone make it worth the name 'expansion'.
Caiman Graystock Comrades in Construction Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.11.06 14:34:00 - [28] Edited by: Caiman Graystock on 06/11/2008 14:34:35 It's certainly not an expansion in line with some of the huge content additions we've had in the past, but none the less, CCP aren't obliged to give us anything other than a continuous service of the game in its current state, including alterations to existing mechanics where they see fit. Whinging about getting new stuff, however little of it you perceive their to be, is pointless. What do you think they're going to do about it?
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.11.06 14:38:00 - [29] Originally by: One SunMirror I am disappointed with the new "expansion", too. There is not much in it and what's there is, to put it mildly, controversial. Just saying. How is what there controversial other than the nano nerf which will put an end to speed needing speed to beat the opponenet? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2008.11.06 14:40:00 - [30] I think I'll pass on Quantum Patch too.

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