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Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Kunming Salute to you Rommer! You will have FUN in this game... ...unlike some folks who are only busy with number crunching and winning, the word "FUN" has long vacated their vocabulary. This.
Khadur Minmatar Fatality. Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:52:00 - [32] Blaster raven sounds pimp tho
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Khadur Blaster raven sounds pimp tho Blaster rattlesnake is where it's at. For the OP: Don't you think the amarr battleships look good? ----------------------
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.11.06 20:05:00 - [34] Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the laven: [Raven, LAVEN!!!!1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 vital statistics: 148k EHP, 684 dps (assuming max skills, no implants, no gang bonus) cap stable with the nos running.
Elitia Gibberish Industries	Posted - 2008.11.06 20:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Kunming Salute to you Rommer! You will have FUN in this game... ...unlike some folks who are only busy with number crunching and winning, the word "FUN" has long vacated their vocabulary. Eve is in many ways more about the satisfaction of achieving your goals, and not about fun, in my opinion.
Kunming T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.11.06 20:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Elitia Originally by: Kunming Salute to you Rommer! You will have FUN in this game... ...unlike some folks who are only busy with number crunching and winning, the word "FUN" has long vacated their vocabulary. Eve is in many ways more about the satisfaction of achieving your goals, and not about fun, in my opinion. Indeed! This guys goal is to fly a raven, with lasers...
Ecky X Shadow Company	Posted - 2008.11.06 20:32:00 - [37] The Mega Pulse Rokh actually looks pretty good on paper, but you'll be using an injector for all of your missions. Btw Nightmare = sexy.
LadyLubU2 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.11.06 20:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Elitia Originally by: Kunming Salute to you Rommer! You will have FUN in this game... ...unlike some folks who are only busy with number crunching and winning, the word "FUN" has long vacated their vocabulary. Eve is in many ways more about the satisfaction of achieving your goals, and not about fun, in my opinion. So your the type of guy who only has sex to make kids, nothing else? -- Sig: NARF FALCONS!!! Please resixe image to the maxiumum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Elitia Gibberish Industries	Posted - 2008.11.06 20:44:00 - [39] Originally by: LadyLubU2 Originally by: Elitia Originally by: Kunming Salute to you Rommer! You will have FUN in this game... ...unlike some folks who are only busy with number crunching and winning, the word "FUN" has long vacated their vocabulary. Eve is in many ways more about the satisfaction of achieving your goals, and not about fun, in my opinion. So your the type of guy who only has sex to make kids, nothing else? I think you misread "Eve" for "Life".
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.06 21:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Elitia Eve is in many ways more about the satisfaction of achieving your goals, and not about fun, in my opinion. Highlighted the keywords.
0rch1d Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.06 21:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Captator Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the laven: [Raven, LAVEN!!!!1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 vital statistics: 148k EHP, 684 dps (assuming max skills, no implants, no gang bonus) cap stable with the nos running. Lasers on a ship with missile bonuses. Good for lolz, not much else.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.06 21:37:00 - [42] Originally by: 0rch1d Lasers on a ship with missile bonuses. Good for lolz, not much else. lolz = fun Objective achieved, capt'n. Fit is successful.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.06 21:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Trevor Warps Originally by: 0rch1d Lasers on a ship with missile bonuses. Good for lolz, not much else. lolz = fun Objective achieved, capt'n. Fit is successful. I have to disagree here. Because something is funny doesn't mean you're actually having fun. Normally, such a break in logic seems absurd. Once, long ago, I watched a movie called Kung Pow: Enter the Fist (or something like that). I was laughing hysterically throughout the movie but by the end I still wanted to kill myself because the movie was so terrible. Somehow they managed overcome hilarity with so much stupidity and absurdity that the movie was physically painful to watch. Still, other than the fact that you throw away bonuses using certain weapons on certain ships, there is no reason to assume you can't or shouldn't. There are a host of reasons why a laser raven is a bad idea, but if you have FUN using it (and this is entirely subjective) then those reasons are pretty meaningless.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.06 22:09:00 - [44] Originally by: Misanth Ok fine, I'll admit Raven is possibly the best looking Caldari ship. Perhaps the only one that isn't completely disgusting to look at. Nighthawk is simply the best looking ship in EVE. The Maller is the ugliest, next to the Domi of course.
Strill	Posted - 2008.11.06 22:18:00 - [45] if you're going to use lasers then wouldn't it be a better idea to use the rokh over the raven since the rokh has eight turret hardpoints?
Nexus Kinnon Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.11.06 22:31:00 - [46] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: Rommer Galadorn Not really ignoring them, just not taking full advantage. Raven only has 4 turret slots, but 6 High slots, I think, which means I could still fit 2 launchers. Regardless, it's been made quite clear that this is a bad move, so I won't be pursuing a Raven. At this point, it's between training for Amarr ships (which is going to require learning armor skills as well, since I have mostly shield skills) or hoping a laser Megathron is viable. Laser megathrons are not viable unless your aim is generating comedy killmails. Viability is often a difficult argument. One cannot say it's impossible for a laser megathron to succeed, it's just going to be exceptionally difficult. Afterall, you are blatantly ignoring BOTH the ship's bonuses in favor of lasers, which will almost certainly trouble the Mega's cap. It would certainly perform poorly in comparision with the amarrian entries which are designed around the laser systems but that's a given. But one must also consider the post patch blaster issue. While I don't belive as some do that the weapons will be utterly useless, I do recognize the inherit weaknesses of the system is further exacerbated and will essentially force your average blaster boat to give up the idea of true tackling in favor of an additional web, or tracking computer or even a target painter. In this light the laser system MIGHT just be a reasonable response to a very real issue. So, while a laser mega would almost certainly lose in a slugging match with other PVP battleships one does have to ask if it is actually a loss in viability. I don't hold much stock in sisi testing and knee jerk whining and crying as some do - the real results will come on Tranquility. In the crucible of true PVP action we will have our answer on the viability of the blaster. With any luck, using lasers instead of blasters on a mega will remain a monumentally stupid move. Indeed, old bean. lights pipe
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.06 22:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Derek Sigres I have to disagree here. Because something is funny doesn't mean you're actually having fun. Normally, such a break in logic seems absurd. Once, long ago, I watched a movie called Kung Pow: Enter the Fist (or something like that). I was laughing hysterically throughout the movie but by the end I still wanted to kill myself because the movie was so terrible. Somehow they managed overcome hilarity with so much stupidity and absurdity that the movie was physically painful to watch. Still, other than the fact that you throw away bonuses using certain weapons on certain ships, there is no reason to assume you can't or shouldn't. There are a host of reasons why a laser raven is a bad idea, but if you have FUN using it (and this is entirely subjective) then those reasons are pretty meaningless. Well man, I dont dissecate the matter that much, that aint fun Whatever is entertaining or makes me have fun works for me. Besides, The laser raven fits proposed aint all that horrible, they could actually work. Then you had enough fun with it and want to farm isk properly, you swap to a regular Raven fit, its that simple.
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2008.11.06 22:49:00 - [48] Just use a regular missile fitting, and put two beamlasers in the remaining highslots.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.11.06 23:08:00 - [49] A lot of guns Can be used on ships of other races. Lasers usually not. You simply cannot fit tachyons (PG wise) on anything but ammar bar the maelstrom without gimping your setup beyond infinity. And about any other battleships would get empty of their cap so fast is not even funny. Pulses are a bit more friendly but even so far from good options. But if you REALLY want to fail you can use lasers in a typhoon /:P ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
The Trevolutionary	Posted - 2008.11.07 02:29:00 - [50] I would definitely switch to Amarr. I started off Caldari, and switched to amarr shortly after because I didn't like the Caldari style. I would switch to Amarr, but don't rush to Battleships. Being in a battleship after only a month is pretty premature IMO. Also, cross training from missiles and shield tanking to lasers and armor tanking won't be a particularly fluid cross train. It'll basically be like starting all your combat skills over. But Amarr is really fun, and right now it is FOTM, so win!
Emperor Salazar Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.07 03:43:00 - [51] Originally by: Soporo Nighthawk is simply the best looking ship in EVE. /signed.
Shereza	Posted - 2008.11.07 04:06:00 - [52] Personally, the rokh would be a better choice than the raven for a laser ship. The rokh is not only much better looking, and in fact it really is along the ferox's and cormorant's style of design, it's also the ship of the two that has one weapon-independant bonus and a weapon bonus that can be easily ignored. Here's a setup I threw together that's fairly effective on paper. 313m/s, 485 raw DPS with drones, 488 Serpentis tank with the given hardeners. For reference a LAR2 + 2 each kin/therm hardeners yields roughly a 444 DPS tank given the same damage spread. [Rokh, New Setup 2] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II 100MN Afterburner II Large Shield Booster II 'Copasetic' I Particle Field Acceleration Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x5 As for the raven... If you're going to cross-train to amarr ships then you might try flying something like: [Raven, Laven 1] Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II X-Large Shield Booster II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Cap Recharger II Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Ancillary Current Router I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Lasers on a raven is fine by me but 4 lasers and 4 launchers isn't. Power grid and cap use issues make it very very hard to pull it off on even a semi-effective basis. TBH, if you want to cross-train but use amarr-based skills on a raven you'd be much better off armor-tanking the raven than you would putting lasers on it in my opinion, and not just because it's totally awesome to hear gang members freak out as your shields go to 0 and tell you to warp out and spaz when you don't. ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.07 07:36:00 - [53] Originally by: Rommer Galadorn If it's viable to turn a Raven into a laser platform? No, but there's no RP in viability. sXe
Eldereye	Posted - 2008.11.07 11:26:00 - [54] It's not impossible to put lasers on almost any BS if you're just using it for PVE. Including even the Megathron. You won't have to worry about getting killed so much for your crazy fits against npc's. Once upon a time I used a Dominix with lasers for quite a bit of mission running. Thanks to no ammo and didn't want to bother with hybrid skills. Just used drones for the primary means of damage dealing. This was when the nos-Domi was king in pvp and made switching fits between pve and pvp pretty quick for squeezing in a misson. So if a laser Raven is what you want, go for it. In the grand scheme getting the BS ship skill trained for another race doesn't take long at all if you change your mind later.
Betray Caldari The Substitutes	Posted - 2008.11.07 21:48:00 - [55] Edited by: Betray on 07/11/2008 21:55:17 get a phantasm:) its a very lovely ship...and u need caldari skillz for it anyway... Edit: or a nightmare:) there are three ships thats caldari-amarr hybrid: succubus, phantasm, and nightmare, all of them have the nice 100% bonus to laser dmg -Betray-

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