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Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:14:00 - [1] I'm a newcomer to EVE, sort of. Played for about a month, took some time off to play Warhammer, and just came back. I tend to avoid PvP, since I'm not really keen on the aspect of losing my ships and equipment, so bear in mind this is a PvE, probably mostly solo, setup. I also live by the mantra "fun before function" meaning I'm willing to fly the slightly inferior ship if it looks cooler than the wtfpwnj00face ship. I'd rather be able to say "That's my ship. Isn't it awesome?" than "Yeah, I can wtfpwn any noob with my ship, but it looks ugly as sin." Now, I'm a Caldari pilot, but I like lasers. This is a sci-fi game with spaceships and, dammit, if I had my way, ALL ships would be fitted with various types of lasers! I like the look of the Raven, but I'm not too keen on missiles. Yeah, they're effective, they don't have tracking issues, blah blah blah. They're boring. I like lasers, so getting to the point finally, I'm coming to the forums to ask the mighty EVE gurus if it's viable to turn a Raven into a laser platform? Probably Beam Lasers, since they (a) look cooler and (b) have a longer range than Pulse Lasers.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:21:00 - [2] It's possible. Not very effective. A missile raven would have bonuses for its weapons and cap to sustain a tank. A laser raven simply wouldn't be as effective. If you don't care about this then stop thinking and just have fun.
Romanov DeBeers Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:21:00 - [3] You can do anything you like in Eve but be prepared to be laughed at if you do it in public! --------------------- Speculate to Accumulate Tech III Decryptors
Varalonia MisFunk Inc. Strength in Numbers.	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:23:00 - [4] Lose the Caldari training and go all out Amarr? Lasers on a Raven is a complete waste of time. Fit ships relative to their bonuses!
Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:27:00 - [5] Well, hence my asking. I do care about being effective, as I don't consider it fun to struggle through my own missions solo. I don't want to gimp myself to the point where I'm completely incapable of doing anything. If a Raven is ill-suited for lasers, is there another ship you'd recommend, or should I just train up for Amarr ships and get into an Apocalypse/Abbadon?
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:27:00 - [6] Raven, 4 turret slots. You can in theory use the mid for shieldtank and lows for damage mods, but you'll struggle immensely with damage and quite possibly with cap. With very good skills you might be able to have it run lv4's, but it'll be ineffecient, slow, and quite frankly - Your argument is flawed. Caldari ships are extremely ugly.
Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:30:00 - [7] Most of them, yes...ok, almost ALL of them, but some of them look cool, at least in my opinion. The Raven is one of the better looking ships, as are the Cormorant and Ferox. I've heard it said that the construction of a Caldari ship involves the contracting of two seperate engineers; one to design the left side of the ship, one to design the right. They are not allowed to communicate with each other in any way. When they're both done, the two sides are welded together. Viola! Caldari warship.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:32:00 - [8] Ok fine, I'll admit Raven is possibly the best looking Caldari ship. Perhaps the only one that isn't completely disgusting to look at.
Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:34:00 - [9] Megathron is the coolest looking ship in the game, in my opinion, and much like Caldari ships, all other Gallente ships before it look like crap. Giant, flying, tumor-ridden potato sacks. So...in short, I should just train Amarr ships, then?
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:35:00 - [10] Edited by: Terianna Eri on 06/11/2008 17:34:50 Attractive caldari ships: Condor Kestrel Ferox Drake (imho) Rokh Chimera EDIT: forgot the merlin hull also OP, this is a bad idea D: __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Rommer Galadorn So...in short, I should just train Amarr ships, then? If you want to use lasers, that'd be a good idea. Else, if you are just staying in Empire and not pvping.. look up the Nightmare and see if you like that looks. It's lasers, it's shield tank, you need Caldari shipskills to drive it, pew pew pew, win?
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:38:00 - [12] Could try Nightmare, but you will lose it and come back here crying. Obviously for a newbie you'd need to sell a GTC for that kind of quick cash. But if you want a cool raven you could just use a disco raven... in high sec... jita 4-4 preferably.
Mila McVeigh Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:43:00 - [13] You like lasers? Get an Amarr battleship. They have bonuses to lasers and will be efficient for what you want to do. The Apocalypse and Abbaddon are pretty sexy looking ships also, if I do say so myself. It's not too difficult to cross train to Amarr ships if you are a caldari pilot. It's up to you in the long run. We can tell you what to fly, but it doesn't mean that you have to do it. Just keep in mind that if you get killed flying a laser Raven, you will get ridiculed BADLY.
Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:44:00 - [14] One last question, before I concede to training Amarr ships. I had once heard, a few months back, about various fittings for a Megathron, one of which listed lasers as the weapon of choice. Is this still semi-viable? Was it never viable?
Elsu Rodan	Posted - 2008.11.06 17:52:00 - [15] Edited by: Elsu Rodan on 06/11/2008 17:53:05 If you must put lasers on a caldari BS, the Scorpion might be your best bet, because that way you can still make use of all the ship's bonuses. The Rokh would also be a better choice due to the high number of turret slots (8). It would also benefit from the fact that the Rokh was designed to use weapons which use cap, but you would still be ignoring one of the ship bonuses. Using lasers on the raven though seems like a bad idea entirely becasuse it only has 4 turret slots, it was designed for weapons systems which do not use cap and you would be ignoring both ship bonuses. EDIT: spacing
Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:03:00 - [16] Not really ignoring them, just not taking full advantage. Raven only has 4 turret slots, but 6 High slots, I think, which means I could still fit 2 launchers. Regardless, it's been made quite clear that this is a bad move, so I won't be pursuing a Raven. At this point, it's between training for Amarr ships (which is going to require learning armor skills as well, since I have mostly shield skills) or hoping a laser Megathron is viable.
Antoine Lefevre Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Rommer Galadorn Not really ignoring them, just not taking full advantage. Raven only has 4 turret slots, but 6 High slots, I think, which means I could still fit 2 launchers. Regardless, it's been made quite clear that this is a bad move, so I won't be pursuing a Raven. At this point, it's between training for Amarr ships (which is going to require learning armor skills as well, since I have mostly shield skills) or hoping a laser Megathron is viable. 8 High-slots. Fit 6 launchers and 2 lasers and you're good to go.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:23:00 - [18] If you can save up the 800ish mil for a nightmare, it's a caldari-amarr mix that uses 4 lasers with a 100% base damage boost
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:24:00 - [19] Edited by: Trevor Warps on 06/11/2008 18:24:34 Heres your options : - Stick to a raven, with a regular setup but fill the 2 last high slots with cruiser sized lasers. - Get a Rokh and fit 8 battleship lasers to it (not efficient but still can be fun, and for sure unique, but i wont do it myself, will be hella hard on cap and dmg wont be top notch but still okish) - Train amarr and get a true laser BS.
Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:25:00 - [20] Edited by: Rommer Galadorn on 06/11/2008 18:25:33 Perhaps, but the Nightmare is hideous...and a vertical design, so it's not a viable option for me. I refuse to fly a spikey toilet plunger.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:32:00 - [21] He is smacking vertical ships
Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:35:00 - [22] Yes, they're ugly. This is my opinion. I don't like vertical ships. Traditional, "space navy" looks appeal to me. Probably why I like the Ferox and Cormorant.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Rommer Galadorn Edited by: Rommer Galadorn on 06/11/2008 18:25:33 Perhaps, but the Nightmare is hideous...and a vertical design, so it's not a viable option for me. I refuse to fly a spikey toilet plunger. 04:23:48 Combat Your Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I perfectly strikes Vulgus Carovigra [BAROS]<MASS>, wrecking for 3871.9 damage. 1) Do NOT diss a ship that can do that. 2)Do NOT diss a ship as sexy as the NM or as F R E A K I N G V E R T I C A L
Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:38:00 - [24] I never said it wasn't a good ship. I never said it wasn't effective. I said it was F R E A K I N G U G L Y
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:40:00 - [25] rule #1 in eve is vertical = win
Rommer Galadorn	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:42:00 - [26] Rule #1 in gaming is fun = win
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:43:00 - [27] IF you have the grid to spare (you probably won't) and IF you are already using your 6 missile slots you MIGHT consider using lasers if mission running against EM/Therm weak rats.
Nexus Kinnon Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Rommer Galadorn Not really ignoring them, just not taking full advantage. Raven only has 4 turret slots, but 6 High slots, I think, which means I could still fit 2 launchers. Regardless, it's been made quite clear that this is a bad move, so I won't be pursuing a Raven. At this point, it's between training for Amarr ships (which is going to require learning armor skills as well, since I have mostly shield skills) or hoping a laser Megathron is viable. Laser megathrons are not viable unless your aim is generating comedy killmails.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.06 18:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: Rommer Galadorn Not really ignoring them, just not taking full advantage. Raven only has 4 turret slots, but 6 High slots, I think, which means I could still fit 2 launchers. Regardless, it's been made quite clear that this is a bad move, so I won't be pursuing a Raven. At this point, it's between training for Amarr ships (which is going to require learning armor skills as well, since I have mostly shield skills) or hoping a laser Megathron is viable. Laser megathrons are not viable unless your aim is generating comedy killmails. Viability is often a difficult argument. One cannot say it's impossible for a laser megathron to succeed, it's just going to be exceptionally difficult. Afterall, you are blatantly ignoring BOTH the ship's bonuses in favor of lasers, which will almost certainly trouble the Mega's cap. It would certainly perform poorly in comparision with the amarrian entries which are designed around the laser systems but that's a given. But one must also consider the post patch blaster issue. While I don't belive as some do that the weapons will be utterly useless, I do recognize the inherit weaknesses of the system is further exacerbated and will essentially force your average blaster boat to give up the idea of true tackling in favor of an additional web, or tracking computer or even a target painter. In this light the laser system MIGHT just be a reasonable response to a very real issue. So, while a laser mega would almost certainly lose in a slugging match with other PVP battleships one does have to ask if it is actually a loss in viability. I don't hold much stock in sisi testing and knee jerk whining and crying as some do - the real results will come on Tranquility. In the crucible of true PVP action we will have our answer on the viability of the blaster. With any luck, using lasers instead of blasters on a mega will remain a monumentally stupid move.
Kunming T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.11.06 19:48:00 - [30] Salute to you Rommer! You will have FUN in this game... ...unlike some folks who are only busy with number crunching and winning, the word "FUN" has long vacated their vocabulary.

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