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Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:26:00 -
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So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?
I love PvP. Its why I play video games, and its what drew me to this game. Unfortunately, PvP is also expensive, especially for new players. So in order to make enough isk to buy myself some ships to get blown up I picked up trading. Just simple buy low, sell high stuff. I was making pretty decent isk doing it too, and after a couple weeks I had made about 300 million. Today I found a pretty good trade from Dodixie to Jita and decided to buy up 300 million worth of stuffs to haul. Yes, I spent almost all my isk. Was that stupid? In hindsight, yes. However I had run trades like this dozens of times without running into any problems whatsever.
Anyways about halfway through my route (I was not auto-piloting), I tabbed out to pick a new song and check my email quickly. When I tabbed back in, I was sitting in my pod. Turns out some guy in a tornado popped me within seconds in high sec. Just like that, I lost weeks of work.
I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.
So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
151
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:30:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:Anyways about halfway through my route (I was not auto-piloting), I tabbed out to pick a new song and check my email quickly... Problem located.
Nurse, pass me the scalpel.
Seriously, don't let the best part of this game be the reason you quit.
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1465
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:31:00 -
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Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
53
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:33:00 -
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Dodi -> Jita is a pretty well watched route. Best thing to do is to take a detour after Uedama if heading into Jita. If you have an alt, pass off/split up the package too.
Also, don't ship all yer monies in one go. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:33:00 -
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I remember flying a myrm into lowsec and dying to a vexor. I nearly quit, glad I didn't. |
Vetorept Fera
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
6
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:34:00 -
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Something sandboxy happened in the sandbox. In pace requiescat |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:36:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang
I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again. |
Gantz Tleilax
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
55
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:36:00 -
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I get ships blown up every night in pvp, the cost is about 500,000 isk, and probably 650,000 isk with fittings. Your smoking crack if you think pvp is expensive.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
426
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:37:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?
I love PvP. Its why I play video games, and its what drew me to this game. Unfortunately, PvP is also expensive, especially for new players. So in order to make enough isk to buy myself some ships to get blown up I picked up trading. Just simple buy low, sell high stuff. I was making pretty decent isk doing it too, and after a couple weeks I had made about 300 million. Today I found a pretty good trade from Dodixie to Jita and decided to buy up 300 million worth of stuffs to haul. Yes, I spent almost all my isk. Was that stupid? In hindsight, yes. However I had run trades like this dozens of times without running into any problems whatsever.
Anyways about halfway through my route (I was not auto-piloting), I tabbed out to pick a new song and check my email quickly. When I tabbed back in, I was sitting in my pod. Turns out some guy in a tornado popped me within seconds in high sec. Just like that, I lost weeks of work.
I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.
So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
This game is unforgiving to stupidity. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:38:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. You were outplayed. He was at his keyboard controlling his ship. You were not.
I fail to understand the cries of the "that's not real PvP!" crowd. Of course it is. It's just potentially non-consensual and has repercussions, and that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here?
Besides, what's the point of killing someone else if you gain nothing from it? What's there to fear in being killed if you just respawn with no penalty? These two simple concepts, conquest and defeat, are what makes EVE's PvP some of the most engaging multiplayer game content I've ever experienced.
Every corner is a blind corner, everyone is out to get you, and you have everything to lose. How can anything WoW or LoL or CoD throws at you compare to that?
You made a gamble, you got burned, and that sucks. As a fellow arbitrage hauler I can sympathize. Now learn from your mistake and evolve into a better player, instead of just quitting when it gets hard. |
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Gantz Tleilax
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
55
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:38:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.
I will gladly give you 10 ships fitted, join Blue Corporation. Google it if you need to know more it's RVB. It's not a fun night if I'm not blown up at least once.
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Gantz Tleilax
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
55
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:43:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:[quote=Spacebar Chelien] You made a gamble, you got burned, and that sucks. As a fellow arbitrage hauler I can sympathize. Now learn from your mistake and evolve into a better player, instead of just quitting when it gets hard.
Good point, if your not someone who can learn from their mistakes, then you will continually repeat them. |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:45:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. You were outplayed. He was at his keyboard controlling his ship. You were not. I fail to understand the cries of the "that's not real PvP!" crowd. Of course it is. It's just potentially non-consensual and has repercussions, and that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here? Besides, what's the point of killing someone else if you gain nothing from it? What's there to fear in being killed if you just respawn with no penalty? These two simple concepts, conquest and defeat, are what makes EVE's PvP some of the most engaging multiplayer game content I've ever experienced. Every corner is a blind corner, everyone is out to get you, and you have everything to lose. How can anything WoW or LoL or CoD throws at you compare to that?You made a gamble, you got burned, and that sucks. As a fellow arbitrage hauler I can sympathize. Now learn from your mistake and evolve into a better player, instead of just quitting when it gets hard.
In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens.
I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport? |
Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
495
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:47:00 -
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You like pvp, want pvp.
Except when it happens to you when your not consenting to pvp?
This may not be the game for you. Eve is a very unforgiving game, the game can be expensive in time and isk, though not necessarily in isk unless you want to fly in expensive ships. But you certainly have to invest time in eve.
Pvp happens in eve all the time, especially when you are not expecting it and it tends to be fast and brutal and if you are not use to it, it can leave you with a WTF just happened feeling.
Stick around a little longer, learn more about the game, for a 2 month old char you don't need 300 million to pvp if you want a frig fit with T1 mods won't cost much and if you are smart fly with the right guys you can still be useful in pvp. And if another 6 months and with some smarts 300 million will not seem like that much of a lost.
If not, if you are really not that interested in the sort of pvp that is with in Eve, and not everyone is.
Can I have your stuff? |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:48:00 -
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Red Frog Freight to move ur stuff no risk. You can pvp in a frig for very little isk. L2P? HTFU? |
i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
sHaKeDoWn..
17
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:50:00 -
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QQ |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
267
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:51:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? |
Hroya
26
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:52:00 -
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Eve can be a brutal mistress sometimes. But a good spanking can also help to get the pipe smoking if you decide to get back up and accept that it's all part of the game.
You go your corridor but. |
Kehro Urgus
tech-legion AAA Citizens
284
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:52:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote: So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
Seriously, what did you expect? Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:53:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. You were outplayed. He was at his keyboard controlling his ship. You were not. I fail to understand the cries of the "that's not real PvP!" crowd. Of course it is. It's just potentially non-consensual and has repercussions, and that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here? Besides, what's the point of killing someone else if you gain nothing from it? What's there to fear in being killed if you just respawn with no penalty? These two simple concepts, conquest and defeat, are what makes EVE's PvP some of the most engaging multiplayer game content I've ever experienced. Every corner is a blind corner, everyone is out to get you, and you have everything to lose. How can anything WoW or LoL or CoD throws at you compare to that?You made a gamble, you got burned, and that sucks. As a fellow arbitrage hauler I can sympathize. Now learn from your mistake and evolve into a better player, instead of just quitting when it gets hard. In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens. Well maybe not...but the person who ganked you sure does. Really though, suicide ganks aren't usually done for PvP motives...they're done for financial ones.
Also, name one single PvP-containing game where you can walk away from the controls while you're in a common PvP area and expect nobody to kill you.
Quote:I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport? Gambling is meaningless if you can never lose. |
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Sarmatiko
662
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:53:00 -
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Uedama is in fact the best place to alt-tab and check mail, especially when flying on Iteron filled with zydrine. |
Jonah Gravenstein
108
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:55:00 -
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Gantz Tleilax wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again. I will gladly give you 10 ships fitted, join Blue Corporation. Google it if you need to know more it's RVB. It's not a fun night if I'm not blown up at least once.
Got ganked afk? welcome to Eve, it happens to most people eventually. Seriously don't quit, the suicide gankers are a pain in the arse but you learn to avoid and deal with them.
If you do like the PVP take the above suggestion and join RVB, Red Vs Blue is all PVP all of the time and it's all done in relatively cheap disposable ships, frigates, destroyers and cruisers in the main.
If you run short of ISK you can jumpclone out of the combat areas and mission/trade away until you have your nestegg built back up unless they have an external war going on. For cheapie jumpclones without the grind train join Estel Arador corporation for 24 hours, look them up in game their corp description contains everything you need to know. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
witchking42
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:55:00 -
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All the routes into Jita are always watched, you probably got scanned a few systems away and they saw you as some easy loot.
As has already been said, don't rage quit. Take a day or two out and then come back.
You have two options to get back where you were:
Work up from the bottom making more and more ISK each trade, or just buy a PLEX (from CCP!!!!) and sell it on the market for 400-600M and your back where you where in no time.
And next time, keep an eye on your screen at all times.
Remember - it's only a game....to most of us!
wk.42 |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
407
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:57:00 -
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Sorry about your loss, that stings. But 300mil in two weeks is good going, congrats! Trading was my choice to make ISK too, shooting red crosses never nets quite as much. You were simply a victim of bad luck, I used to move 4-5bil weekly between trade hubs in a T1 hauler and never got popped. Maybe today the suicide situation is worse, idk, we try to stay out of the hole called 4-4, and I'm enjoying wh life so much I retired my trade alt :
Quote:PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.
You know how it works? If there are enough people who make mistakes, you can succeed without having to be smart.
If you lost all you had, well, you really can only blame yourself for taking a risk. EVE has it's own version of "eggs in one basket", and it's "never fly what you can't afford to lose.
Anyway, if you harden up, my corp is looking for new members- we can help you back on your feet. We are engaged in micro-gang PVP in wormhole space and lowsec, and would welcome solid pilots to grow us into actual small gang size. Hisec is full of faggotry and misery, get out of there
Drop a mail if you are interested, there are no other games like EVE and you'll miss out on so much if you quit now. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1183
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:57:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens.
You consent to spaceship combat happening to you when you click "Undock".
Spacebar Chelien wrote:I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?
Killing for sport is what piracy is about. Sometimes for the tears, sometimes for the profit, but usually just because they can.
You made a gamble: you put all your worth in one ship, you flew through Uedama and Niarja, you put your ship containing your entire net worth on autopilot. I expect that removing any one of those mistakes would have saved you from losing everything to a suicide ganker. What you were punished for is not "looking away from [your] screen for a few seconds." You put all your eggs in one basket, then proceeded to parade that basket past the most trigger-happy pirates in the game.
You can learn from this. Join RvB where there is cheap PvP on tap. Look at more ways to make ISK too. |
Black Dranzer
221
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:59:00 -
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You'll be back. |
Jonah Gravenstein
108
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:01:00 -
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Black Dranzer wrote:You'll be back.
lol he sure will, if only because Eve is more addictive than anything you can buy from your neighbourhood drug dealer.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
204
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:02:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Black Dranzer wrote:You'll be back. lol he sure will, if only because Eve is more addictive than anything you can buy from your neighbourhood drug dealer. That's not true! I don't have a problem! I can quit whenever I want!
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:03:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens.
And consensual PvP with no loss is boring and lame beyond belief. |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:07:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens. You consent to spaceship combat happening to you when you click "Undock". Spacebar Chelien wrote:I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport? Killing for sport is what piracy is about. Sometimes for the tears, sometimes for the profit, but usually just because they can. You made a gamble: you put all your worth in one ship, you flew through Uedama and Niarja, you put your ship containing your entire net worth on autopilot. I expect that removing any one of those mistakes would have saved you from losing everything to a suicide ganker. What you were punished for is not "looking away from [your] screen for a few seconds." You put all your eggs in one basket, then proceeded to parade that basket past the most trigger-happy pirates in the game. You can learn from this. Join RvB where there is cheap PvP on tap. Look at more ways to make ISK too.
My ship was not on auto pilot. I have no idea what flying through uedama and Niarja means. I have flown that route dozens of times and never seen anything out of the ordinary. |
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Francisco Bizzaro
21
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:08:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote: I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?
Why was it worth a profit to haul from one station to the next?
The reason is exactly that ships get blown up in Eve. If they didn't, your Dodi-Jita run would have been pointless and you would not have been able to profit from it anyway.
The value you added was: (i) saving someone the time of hauling it themselves (ii) saving someone else the danger of hauling it themselves.
In a game with perfectly safe autopilot (or AFK travel), both of these become practically worthless. But thanks to the gankers hauling has extra value, and since you are now smarter than the other dummies who get blown up, you have the opportunity to profit all the more. |
Poldarn Joaq
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:08:00 -
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Since we are sharing.
On my first real venture into 0.0 to do some ratting I decided that I needed to get all the loot to high sec to sell it (before carriers). I got to the last jump before high sec and it was late and I had not scouted the gate. I ran into a gate camp and got mobbed. I was 500 m from being able to jump when I popped, so close, but such a rush. I was gutted, I reckon I lost around 300 mil aswel plus my fitted BS. Like you say, for a guy new to the game its a tough break, but hey, it ain't no thang. Make more isk, buy another ship, go and shoot spaceships. After all, spaceships are serious buisness! |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:09:00 -
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Hey OP,
Dude...it's all good, man. The risk is what makes this game crazy. There are ways to PvP with minimal risk/expense while you build a nest egg to get into the good stuff. (Edit: Scrolled up, saw what Jonah said. Double nestegg! Yeaaaa)
Also, that's just one loss. Weeks of work, sure, but if you had fun doing that work, is it so bad?
If you didn't have fun, I suppose that's another matter entirely.
Anyways, buck up, broseph |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:12:00 -
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First rule of Eve, don't fly what you can't afford to lose..
And if you want to get up from your computer, or alt+tab to do something else, DOCK. The second you undock, you accept the risk of PvP. |
Janet Patton
Brony Express
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:12:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.
You still have your skills left at least. Fly only what you can afford to loose, otherwise its going to be painful. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:14:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien, welcome to Eve online, working as intended.
You want fries with that? |
Jonah Gravenstein
109
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:14:00 -
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Basically Uedama and Niarja are choke points, the only way around them is to go many tens of jumps out of your way, so it makes for easy picking for the people that find suicide ganks and tear collection amusing. Zverofaust, the guy who ganked you is probably chortling away to himself at you quitting. Unfortunately other peoples misery floats some players boats.
Don't get mad, get smart & possibly even. Goons and friends are meant to be invading Jita at the end of April, it would be a most excellent chance to get on some kill mails and possibly pop the guy who popped you. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:20:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:First rule of Eve, don't fly what you can't afford to lose..
And if you want to get up from your computer, or alt+tab to do something else, DOCK. The second you undock, you accept the risk of PvP.
I adhere to that when I actually expect PvP to be happening. I would only ever PvP in cheapass cruisers that my corp gave me. If I had known that people actually bothered to blow up newbies flying through high sec then I would have been more careful. I have lost indys before, a couple of times when I flew into low sec. I learned my lesson from that because I actually made mistakes, and thankfully I only lost a few million when that happened. I was able to recover those losses very quickly. This time however I was making an effort to be more careful than usual on a route that I had figured out of experience to be rather safe and still got killed. My punishment was losing 95% of my isk. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
463
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:20:00 -
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Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.
durr run level 1 missions for a bit. 300mil is nothing for a 3 month old character specced in combat. get to the point where you can run level 4s, and always keep a fitted level 4 ship
in a single level 4 mission you can make 10mil or so in bounties and agent mission rewards which means you can fit a frigate, maybe even a cruiser for pvp per mission not to mention LP, loot if you salvage it, and the storyline mission every 16 missions or so that can sometimes give good loot.
next chances are you are in a cheap industrial ship most likely untanked at all and even if you did, its still 1hit kill from a tornado which means you shouldn't have over 50 or so mil worth of loot in your ship. want to carry more? get a freighter.
you will not fine PVP in any mmo as good as eve at this point in time. nothing give the addrenaline boost that eve combat does, no matter the ship your in or the enemy is in. the reason it sucked for you was you were a moron you provided the guy with what is known as a lolkill... you fit hundreds of millions of stuff in a ship that had less then 20k EHP |
Sin Pew
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
15
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:22:00 -
[40] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:So today after playing for about 2 months Doesn't take more than 5... ok maybe 10 minutes, to find out about suicide ganking, were you still on trial, perhaps you wouldn't know, but 2 months... come on.
Spacebar Chelien wrote:I spent almost all my isk. Was that stupid? Defo, you made yourself a target while carrying all your assets at once, clearly lacking common sense.
Spacebar Chelien wrote:So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. And another mistake. You could have sold that battleship for a bunch of cheap fitted frigates or a couple properly fitted cruisers or a fitted battlecruisers and work your ass to earn some cash back... heck, even use that little cashflow to trade over again, after learning the lesson the hard way.
War isn't fair, crime isn't fair and since you didn't get that in 2 month, then yeah, you've clearly been out-played and out-smarted. If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? |
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
577
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:22:00 -
[41] - Quote
Good troll, everybody fell for it. Although mentioning the tornado was just to much for me. 9/10 - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:23:00 -
[42] - Quote
Herping yourDerp wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again. durr run level 1 missions for a bit. 300mil is nothing for a 3 month old character specced in combat. get to the point where you can run level 4s, and always keep a fitted level 4 ship in a single level 4 mission you can make 10mil or so in bounties and agent mission rewards which means you can fit a frigate, maybe even a cruiser for pvp per mission not to mention LP, loot if you salvage it, and the storyline mission every 16 missions or so that can sometimes give good loot. next chances are you are in a cheap industrial ship most likely untanked at all and even if you did, its still 1hit kill from a tornado which means you shouldn't have over 50 or so mil worth of loot in your ship. want to carry more? get a freighter. you will not fine PVP in any mmo as good as eve at this point in time. nothing give the addrenaline boost that eve combat does, no matter the ship your in or the enemy is in. the reason it sucked for you was you were a moron you provided the guy with what is known as a lolkill... you fit hundreds of millions of stuff in a ship that had less then 20k EHP
Running missions makes my brain melt. I hate them. That's why I chose to start trading, it was a much more satisfying way to make isk. Nobody ever told me that Tornados can one-shot indy ships. Nobody ever told me that Tornados sit around high sec doing that kind of stuff. The actual PvP that I experienced was quite good. It's what kept me playing. But what happened today was far from PvP. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:26:00 -
[43] - Quote
**** happens,mate. After my first loss in my missionboat, I was pretty much pissed off as well. But stick with it,and it will prove very fulfilling. The hardest part is not getting back up,but wanting to get back up. |
Hroya
26
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:27:00 -
[44] - Quote
You have mail but i reckon your answer can be derived from your recent responses
Good luck on any decision you stick to.
You go your corridor but. |
baltec1
1029
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:29:00 -
[45] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.
So start again and learn from your mistakes. This happens to literally everyone at some point. In 2 months you got 300 mil and that was from knowing very little of the game which makes you a hell of a lot better than me when I was at 2 months old. I was trying to do missions in a blackbird of all things.
Don't be weak. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
691
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:35:00 -
[46] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?
I love PvP. Its why I play video games, and its what drew me to this game. Unfortunately, PvP is also expensive, especially for new players. So in order to make enough isk to buy myself some ships to get blown up I picked up trading. Just simple buy low, sell high stuff. I was making pretty decent isk doing it too, and after a couple weeks I had made about 300 million. Today I found a pretty good trade from Dodixie to Jita and decided to buy up 300 million worth of stuffs to haul. Yes, I spent almost all my isk. Was that stupid? In hindsight, yes. However I had run trades like this dozens of times without running into any problems whatsever.
Anyways about halfway through my route (I was not auto-piloting), I tabbed out to pick a new song and check my email quickly. When I tabbed back in, I was sitting in my pod. Turns out some guy in a tornado popped me within seconds in high sec. Just like that, I lost weeks of work.
I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.
So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
Can i have your stuff ?
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Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:35:00 -
[47] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:**** happens,mate. After my first loss in my missionboat, I was pretty much pissed off as well. But stick with it,and it will prove very fulfilling. The hardest part is not getting back up,but wanting to get back up.
I remember about a week into the game I was running missions in my very first cruiser. I had spent all my money on it, and I got it blown up in a mission in short order. I stuck with it then because I realized exactly what mistakes I had made, and felt that I deserved to lose my ship for how I played. Within a couple of days I had a shiny new cruiser and I never lost another ship running missions again.
This time though by a stroke of bad luck I lost weeks worth of work and it has revealed just how toxic and unfriendly this game is. It's pretty disheartening knowing that I would be safer and would make more isk if I just installed one of those bots that I see so many players use. |
Holy One
sNiggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
176
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:39:00 -
[48] - Quote
golden rule of hauling in high sec: the cargo needs to be worth less than the ship required to gank you. +/- 50% or so.
so you lost everything? hard that may be.
but.
eve is hard.
unlike real life, ignorance is an excuse. but poor consolation ex post facto.
fwiw I'm probably one of the few mass murdering scumbags who believes ccp should come up with a way to delay 'eve's harshest' lessons until new players are in a position to properly comprehend their vulnerability.
because of this I formally extend the invitation to teach you how to be a mass murdering scumbag.
look me up in game if you change your mind.
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evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:41:00 -
[49] - Quote
to the op, sadly mate you are going to get trolled by the idiots.. However yes this is the problem with eve, and thats why eve isnt for everyone, thats why it will never really grow to its full potential becuase of stuff like this. I have quit a couple of times on the same reasons, but perservered, and learnt from the mistakes. and there lies the solution, you have to basically learn from mistakes and try not do them again. Like next time, i bet you dont autopilot? But there again being alphad be a cheap ship, with very little condesequences, which i think is very very wrong.
Sadly eve will continue to lose new players like yourself until they do something about helping new players actually learn the game. They dont, they just throw them to the sharks and say get on with it.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
407
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:45:00 -
[50] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:to the op, sadly mate you are going to get trolled by the idiots..
All I see is mostly helpful advice, and offers to help even more in game.
People are actually in really good mood <3 |
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Liam Mirren
430
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:45:00 -
[51] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
This indeed, EVE is harsh and unforgiving and sometimes it hurts like a *****. Thing is though, if you quit EVE and go Back to whatever other MMO, would you really like it that way? No consequences, silly grinding, no effort and boring?
Pick yourself up, start over again and promise yourself to do better this time. We've all been there :)
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
baltec1
1029
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:46:00 -
[52] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:to the op, sadly mate you are going to get trolled by the idiots.. However yes this is the problem with eve, and thats why eve isnt for everyone, thats why it will never really grow to its full potential becuase of stuff like this. I have quit a couple of times on the same reasons, but perservered, and learnt from the mistakes. and there lies the solution, you have to basically learn from mistakes and try not do them again. Like next time, i bet you dont autopilot? But there again being alphad be a cheap ship, with very little condesequences, which i think is very very wrong.
Sadly eve will continue to lose new players like yourself until they do something about helping new players actually learn the game. They dont, they just throw them to the sharks and say get on with it.
You learn by making mistakes. In this case he hauled too much isk in a slow squishy hauler. |
Jonah Gravenstein
109
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:46:00 -
[53] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:to the op, sadly mate you are going to get trolled by the idiots..
We're not all trolls , there's offers of help & some good advice in this thread
I reserve my trolling for people who deserve it, namely other trolls, particularly the ones that keep spamming the forums with how the upcoming PVP mechanic changes are unfair because they might actually get shot at by carebears. They claim that they want PVP, CCP are enabling them to have more PVP and they're crying about it. Troll tears best tears War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Hired Assasin
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
35
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:52:00 -
[54] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:**** happens,mate. After my first loss in my missionboat, I was pretty much pissed off as well. But stick with it,and it will prove very fulfilling. The hardest part is not getting back up,but wanting to get back up. I remember about a week into the game I was running missions in my very first cruiser. I had spent all my money on it, and I got it blown up in a mission in short order. I stuck with it then because I realized exactly what mistakes I had made, and felt that I deserved to lose my ship for how I played. Within a couple of days I had a shiny new cruiser and I never lost another ship running missions again. This time though by a stroke of bad luck I lost weeks worth of work and it has revealed just how toxic and unfriendly this game is. It's pretty disheartening knowing that I would be safer and would make more isk if I just installed one of those bots that I see so many players use.
if you want to PVP so badly join a 0.0 corp/alliance. and get 100% pvp ship reinbursment simple! easy! fun! Teamspeak 3 with API and Web Interface Hosting with Member Rewards!!-á: http://alturl.com/asde8 Catch me on EVE Gate, im allmost always on it!
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Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:56:00 -
[55] - Quote
Liam Mirren wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :) This indeed, EVE is harsh and unforgiving and sometimes it hurts like a *****. Thing is though, if you quit EVE and go Back to whatever other MMO, would you really like it that way? No consequences, silly grinding, no effort and boring? Pick yourself up, start over again and promise yourself to do better this time. We've all been there :)
I don't play other MMOs for those reasons. That's why Eve appealed to me. But however mindless a game like WoW might be, you can't honestly say that what this tornado dude did to me was any better or more involved.
I see people all around me flying ships worth hundreds of millions, even billions of isk. Every time I go into null sec, I'm flying the cheapest ship around. People talk about how they just casually log onto their alt, make a couple billlion isk in a few hours, and then buy some more shiny ships and go right back to PvP. All I ever wanted was to make enough isk to buy myself some T1 BCs, fly them into nullsec, and get them blown up like an idiot. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:58:00 -
[56] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:**** happens,mate. After my first loss in my missionboat, I was pretty much pissed off as well. But stick with it,and it will prove very fulfilling. The hardest part is not getting back up,but wanting to get back up. I remember about a week into the game I was running missions in my very first cruiser. I had spent all my money on it, and I got it blown up in a mission in short order. I stuck with it then because I realized exactly what mistakes I had made, and felt that I deserved to lose my ship for how I played. Within a couple of days I had a shiny new cruiser and I never lost another ship running missions again. This time though by a stroke of bad luck I lost weeks worth of work and it has revealed just how toxic and unfriendly this game is. It's pretty disheartening knowing that I would be safer and would make more isk if I just installed one of those bots that I see so many players use. Yea,well... Still no reason to quit this game,bud. Also,like another poster above me said,if you made that much isk not understanding the game, itd be pretty easy to recoup your losses. Maybe you should try the 'Dark Side' for a bit. Blow up unsuspecting victims and loot their remains. It's quite therapeutic from what I hear.
Also,all you people who posted with helpful replies,GG. It's good to know we can help people too. +1 all you trollish bastards. |
RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
185
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:59:00 -
[57] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Sentinel Smith wrote:First rule of Eve, don't fly what you can't afford to lose..
And if you want to get up from your computer, or alt+tab to do something else, DOCK. The second you undock, you accept the risk of PvP. I adhere to that when I actually expect PvP to be happening. I would only ever PvP in cheapass cruisers that my corp gave me. If I had known that people actually bothered to blow up newbies flying through high sec then I would have been more careful. I have lost indys before, a couple of times when I flew into low sec. I learned my lesson from that because I actually made mistakes, and thankfully I only lost a few million when that happened. I was able to recover those losses very quickly. This time however I was making an effort to be more careful than usual on a route that I had figured out of experience to be rather safe and still got killed. My punishment was losing 95% of my isk. CURRENT CORPORATION Southern Cross Empire [STHCE] from 2012.02.19 03:54 to this day PREVIOUS CORPORATION(S) The Scope [TS] from 2012.02.12 02:09 to 2012.02.19 03:54. WarTech Empire [WITE] from 2012.02.09 12:51 to 2012.02.12 02:09. Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2012.02.08 00:14 to 2012.02.09 12:51. you are not a noob and even if you where that is no excuse
1) don't fly what you cannot afford to loose as you will 2) be wary when you undock 3) if you are only 2 months old then fly that character and not something else.
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Pilot Dima
Permeability Of Free Space
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:02:00 -
[58] - Quote
"Can I have your stuff" but apparently you have no stuff left
Anyway, I remember how once I was flying a ship full of corp-owned stuff to Jita on my trader dude, it was literally like 1bil worth of ****. I was in a blockade runner so it should have been easy, except that I was also very sleepy and just took a Benadryl in addition because allergies. I don't remember falling asleep but apparently I did in Perimeter, 1 jump away from Jita. When I woke up IRL I was in a new clone in a station. OOPS. Most of my ISK was tied up in market orders at the time so I had to scrape money from all my characters and liquidate some assets to get the cash together to cover the loss since it was corp property and all, and of course there's the T2 hauler with T2 cargo rigs and my head with +4 implants, and I needed the blockade runner for the trip back since it was some jumps into not-high sec and the corp depended on me bringing some other stuff with me. Unpleasant.
**** happens, don't rage out at the game because some people play it in one of the ways it's meant to be played and that way is different than the way you want to play. Sandbox. When that thing above happened to me, I was annoyed not with the gankers, or the game, but with myself. Shouldn't have gone hauling expensive crap while barely awake, about to pass out, I'm smart enough to see that I made a mistake, admit it and learn from it.
But if you're not prepared to deal with events like what happened to you, then EVE isn't the game for you, tbh.
PS: trololol, right? |
OmniBeton
OmniBeton Metatech
5
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:05:00 -
[59] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote: In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens.
I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?
So, you simply found out this game is not for you. What you cry about is that they didn't made it for you.
When you're done try joining girlypinkstars or something and complaing there are spaceships there. |
baltec1
1029
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:11:00 -
[60] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
I don't play other MMOs for those reasons. That's why Eve appealed to me. But however mindless a game like WoW might be, you can't honestly say that what this tornado dude did to me was any better or more involved.
I see people all around me flying ships worth hundreds of millions, even billions of isk. Every time I go into null sec, I'm flying the cheapest ship around. People talk about how they just casually log onto their alt, make a couple billlion isk in a few hours, and then buy some more shiny ships and go right back to PvP. All I ever wanted was to make enough isk to buy myself some T1 BCs, fly them into nullsec, and get them blown up like an idiot.
And you picked the best money making way to do that. You are only a few months old and it is going to take time before you get up to the point where you can throw BC at things and not worry about cost. Right now I would advise you to fly light tackle ships. Intercepters, Assault Frigates ect. They are just as important as a BC in a fleet. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:12:00 -
[61] - Quote
OmniBeton wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote: In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens.
I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?
So, you simply found out this game is not for you. What you cry about is that they didn't made it for you. When you're done try joining girlypinkstars or something and complaing there are spaceships there. YUMADBRO???
Sorry,had it get it out of my system. |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:13:00 -
[62] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:**** happens,mate. After my first loss in my missionboat, I was pretty much pissed off as well. But stick with it,and it will prove very fulfilling. The hardest part is not getting back up,but wanting to get back up. I remember about a week into the game I was running missions in my very first cruiser. I had spent all my money on it, and I got it blown up in a mission in short order. I stuck with it then because I realized exactly what mistakes I had made, and felt that I deserved to lose my ship for how I played. Within a couple of days I had a shiny new cruiser and I never lost another ship running missions again. This time though by a stroke of bad luck I lost weeks worth of work and it has revealed just how toxic and unfriendly this game is. It's pretty disheartening knowing that I would be safer and would make more isk if I just installed one of those bots that I see so many players use. Yea,well... Still no reason to quit this game,bud. Also,like another poster above me said,if you made that much isk not understanding the game, itd be pretty easy to recoup your losses. Maybe you should try the 'Dark Side' for a bit. Blow up unsuspecting victims and loot their remains. It's quite therapeutic from what I hear. Also,all you people who posted with helpful replies,GG. It's good to know we can help people too. +1 all you trollish bastards.
Seeing as how I have all of 100000 isk to my name now it would be pretty hard to recoup my losses. I would certainly get no satisfaction from ganking people in high sec while they aren't paying attention. I don't even like doing that in null sec. Hell a week ago our corp ran across some thanatos that was ratting and we shot it down in cruisers. We killed a 1 bil isk ship and it was nowhere near as exciting as when we get into fleet fights against dinky little thrashers and the like.
But I also would like to thank everyone for being so helpful and not just cussing me out, it's the one thing that is maybe making me think about reconsidering. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
206
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:13:00 -
[63] - Quote
Working as intended, this situation could have been avoided with vigilance and some better planning. I know what it's like to lose pretty much everything but it's no reason to leave.
Came back to the game after a 3 year hiatus and had given everything but a few mods away and a thorax and had a completely stat gimped character before the days of attribute mapping with horrible skills from rushing directly into the first battleships to see themselves in the game.
Spent a week doing level 1-3 missions and spent nearly everything on a +3 clone and went into lowsec in a crap fit execuror and wound up blown up and ransomed for the last bit of isk I had left yet here I remain. It's your choice to leave but it is in no way the end if you chose for it not to be. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Francisco Bizzaro
21
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:18:00 -
[64] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:This time though by a stroke of bad luck I lost weeks worth of work and it has revealed just how toxic and unfriendly this game is. Bad luck? I thought your story was that you were checking email while flying a main trade route while carrying all your wealth. Explain again where the luck factors in.
Troll must invent more sympathetic story next time.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3275
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:20:00 -
[65] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote: I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?
It was a wholly appropriate punishment purely because you gambled everything.
If I go to a horse race and bet $10,000 on a horse, I stand to lose $10,000. If I don't feel that losing 10 large would be fun, I should make a smaller bet, not complain to the bookie when my horse doesn't win. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3275
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:22:00 -
[66] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:**** happens,mate. After my first loss in my missionboat, I was pretty much pissed off as well. But stick with it,and it will prove very fulfilling. The hardest part is not getting back up,but wanting to get back up. I remember about a week into the game I was running missions in my very first cruiser. I had spent all my money on it, and I got it blown up in a mission in short order. I stuck with it then because I realized exactly what mistakes I had made, and felt that I deserved to lose my ship for how I played. Within a couple of days I had a shiny new cruiser and I never lost another ship running missions again. This time though by a stroke of bad luck I lost weeks worth of work and it has revealed just how toxic and unfriendly this game is. It's pretty disheartening knowing that I would be safer and would make more isk if I just installed one of those bots that I see so many players use. Yea,well... Still no reason to quit this game,bud. Also,like another poster above me said,if you made that much isk not understanding the game, itd be pretty easy to recoup your losses. Maybe you should try the 'Dark Side' for a bit. Blow up unsuspecting victims and loot their remains. It's quite therapeutic from what I hear. Also,all you people who posted with helpful replies,GG. It's good to know we can help people too. +1 all you trollish bastards. Seeing as how I have all of 100000 isk to my name now it would be pretty hard to recoup my losses. I would certainly get no satisfaction from ganking people in high sec while they aren't paying attention. I don't even like doing that in null sec. Hell a week ago our corp ran across some thanatos that was ratting and we shot it down in cruisers. We killed a 1 bil isk ship and it was nowhere near as exciting as when we get into fleet fights against dinky little thrashers and the like. But I also would like to thank everyone for being so helpful and not just cussing me out, it's the one thing that is maybe making me think about reconsidering.
Since you're in a corp, surely someone will lend you a destroyer or something? You can be back in a cruiser with maybe an hour or two of level 1 missions, and back in a battlecruiser within a few more hours of level 2/3s Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
42
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:25:00 -
[67] - Quote
Thanks for posting OP. Let CCP know why they measure subscription in the thousands instead of millions but its basic game theory. Predator/thief/aggressor beats victim every time but the system as a whole loses. Only collaboration brings real gains. Been true since the first herder sent his flock to eat a farmers crops and then there was the hunter that thought a herders flock were prime pickings. Round and round they went till they learned getting along was better for them all. Nothin spaceage going on here 'cept we just ain't as smart as cavemen. |
voetius
Starwinders The Unwilling.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:27:00 -
[68] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liam Mirren wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :) This indeed, EVE is harsh and unforgiving and sometimes it hurts like a *****. Thing is though, if you quit EVE and go Back to whatever other MMO, would you really like it that way? No consequences, silly grinding, no effort and boring? Pick yourself up, start over again and promise yourself to do better this time. We've all been there :) I don't play other MMOs for those reasons. That's why Eve appealed to me. But however mindless a game like WoW might be, you can't honestly say that what this tornado dude did to me was any better or more involved. I see people all around me flying ships worth hundreds of millions, even billions of isk. Every time I go into null sec, I'm flying the cheapest ship around. People talk about how they just casually log onto their alt, make a couple billlion isk in a few hours, and then buy some more shiny ships and go right back to PvP. All I ever wanted was to make enough isk to buy myself some T1 BCs, fly them into nullsec, and get them blown up like an idiot.
People exaggerate. Sure it is possible to make that much in a short time but scamming is a bit hit and miss.
Also, as people above said, look up Red Frog Freight or Push Industries - let someone else take the risks of hauling. |
Vanguard One
4th Drake Squadron
3
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:31:00 -
[69] - Quote
Transferred som ISK to get you back on your feet.
Now, find a good corp where you can learn the ropes and who will support you. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
353
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:33:00 -
[70] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Can i have your stuff ?
He doesn't have any stuff anymore. |
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gfldex
448
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:34:00 -
[71] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote: I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player.
You made yourself an expert in games that can not be won by playing game where you never going to lose anything.
Spacebar Chelien wrote:In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today.
It's the excuse for PvP. Get rich quickly. Anything else is just chest beating.
Spacebar Chelien wrote:PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent.
You where outsmarted. He knew you where coming. You could have red the handbook. You still went that road. You lost he won -- perfect PvP.
As a side note, if you make only 300M in two weeks as a new player you suck at making ISK. We don't want bad players. Please leave quietly.
CCP Sreegs-á - biggest griefer in EVE! |
Count D00KU
Inflamed Crusty Unit
27
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:36:00 -
[72] - Quote
He,
Look on the bright side...you got 30 days to follow up on those killrights ill bet he is sitting today in a 60 mil plus tornado on the same gate.
get an ab frigate tackle him orbit and kill him.....get even :)
Or get your own tornado and gank nother hauler why spent 2 weeks to make 300 mil if you can get it within minutes :) |
Titus Phook
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:37:00 -
[73] - Quote
OP check your wallet, you should find a small gift of ISKies, pay it forward to someone else when you get the chance. |
Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
14
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:37:00 -
[74] - Quote
I pawn the hauling off to the hauler guys. You'd be surprised how fast some high-collateral; low-profit hauls get picked up.
....and if they lose the cargo, I PROFIT.. WOOT! \o/ |
gfldex
448
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:38:00 -
[75] - Quote
Folks, I think we can stop now to feed the troll. CCP Sreegs-á - biggest griefer in EVE! |
Jayarr Altol
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:43:00 -
[76] - Quote
http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=73310
In his butthurt he tried to run this wonderfully fit megathron into a large gang to "get sum killz" We stopped this madness. This player is hurr durr and foolish. Do not feel sorry for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xvkAPXB9c |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:50:00 -
[77] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?
blabla..
So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
So you were stupid. Have you ever heard that "don't fly you can't afford to loose"? At least you should have heard this. Have you ever take the time to read after how secure is to haul expensive stuff in EVE? Have you ever read anything about EVE at all? This is not WOW, you wont survive if you are not smart. You came here because this game is hard? Now you can see it is. In real life you carry millions in a transparent paper bag on street? You can't do this in EVE without consequences either. You didn't know that? Now you know it.
But the most important: why you opened this topic? |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
62
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:51:00 -
[78] - Quote
6/10
+1 for 'All I wanted to do was [wahhhhhh]' -1 for obvious |
Vain Eldritch
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:52:00 -
[79] - Quote
One of the good things about Eve (yes! there's more than one) is that I get burned out / bummed out / raged out / cheesed off (and out) and I can step away from the game for a time and I'm still really "playing" the game - the skill queue keeps rolling on and my character developing. Other MORPG's if I'm not assuming the position between KB and screen my "off" time is dead.
So, set skills on long and step away. I've done this many, many times since Eve bit me at launch and my biggest regret was not staying sub'd over long aways and losing skill time.
For me, other games come and go but Eve remains - and with each game I pass through and leave behind, the more I appreciate the uniques nature of Eve.
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Jayarr Altol
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:53:00 -
[80] - Quote
Copine Callmeknau wrote:6/10
+1 for 'All I wanted to do was [wahhhhhh]' -1 for obvious
Not trolling, Just very very butthurt. |
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knobber Jobbler
151
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:56:00 -
[81] - Quote
Buy a gtc, sell it for 930m, buy a basilisk for incursions for 400m, do incursions and make a few billion, buy allot of tech 1 cruisers and frigates, join eve uni or rvb. Problems solved.
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Arthur Frayn
Root.
70
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:57:00 -
[82] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
While you have my sympathy for your recent loss, perhaps you would care to explain why you hopped in your battleship, flew it into nullsec and got it blown up by your own alliance mates and one corp mate. |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
9
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:58:00 -
[83] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:Can I have your stuff?
I believe it's floating on a gate near dodixie right now - best get there before downtime :) |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
1071
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Posted - 2012.04.05 08:59:00 -
[84] - Quote
I'd ask for your stuff, but you don't have any. |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:06:00 -
[85] - Quote
Arthur Frayn wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. While you have my sympathy for your recent loss, perhaps you would care to explain why you hopped in your battleship, flew it into nullsec and got it blown up by your own alliance mates and one corp mate.
Might as well have some fun before I go. |
Sin Pew
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
15
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:11:00 -
[86] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Arthur Frayn wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. While you have my sympathy for your recent loss, perhaps you would care to explain why you hopped in your battleship, flew it into nullsec and got it blown up by your own alliance mates and one corp mate. Might as well have some fun before I go. Clearly your fun seems to be playing the attention ***** and grabbing a few ISK from the carebear populating this thread. If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
32
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:12:00 -
[87] - Quote
Im sure you heard of that game called, World of Warcraft. Try it out u might like it... :P |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:14:00 -
[88] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:... So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. If you would have asked earlier, me, and I think a couple of others would have easily fronted you 300 Mil or more.
I you want to restart contact me here or ingame for a 0.5 Bil loan or investment. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
504
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:19:00 -
[89] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:
I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today.
You have played games where you are prized for a score (i.e. a kill, renown points etc).
In EvE it's different. You are prized for aggressively dominating, prevailing, grabbing and building your road to success stepping on the blood of someone else.
Welcome to true PvP. Where you don't fight avatars, you fight real son-of-a-btch people.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Space Wanderer
Ruatha Holding
1
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:28:00 -
[90] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player.
This is the issue. You are used to consensual pvp (or what you might call a "fair fight"). Except very limited environments there is nothing of the sort in EVE. However
Spacebar Chelien wrote:All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading
There is no "peaceful trading" in EVE. Even though there are no flashy explosions involved, EVERYTHING is Player-versus-player. You think trading is peaceful? Think again. Traders and industrialists are some of most cut-throat trades around. It's not uncommon for an industrialist to hire mercs to kill the POS of a competitor to halt his production. People grinding highsec missions have to cope with ninja salvagers and suicide gankers, not to speak about other missioners that lower the amount of their own LPs. Miners have to cope with other miners getting the best roids, with can flippers and the above mentioned suiciders. Explorers have to contend with other explorers in finding juicy sites, and so on. EVERYTHING is competition on EVE, and you have to get into the mindset that if you are not the hunter you are the prey, and prepare for it (ok, you are the prey even if you are the hunter, I was just trying to keep it simple )
Basically what i said above can be summarized as "Welcome to EVE". This is the game. It is your choice whether you like it or not. Just think that you are pvping from the moment you log in to the moment you log out. Even in station you are not totally safe, peple can still hurt your wallet if you have outstanding trade orders or contracts or you fall for some scam. Again, you are always pvping, there is nothing "peaceful" in EVE. To quote one of the devs: "EVE is not designed to look like a cold, dark, unforgiving world. It's designed to BE a cold, dark, unforgiving world
On the other hand, if you just enjoy cost-free pvp, like SC2, I suggest you log into the test center (SISI). Everything there costs 100isk, and stuff over there happens consensually (usually) . |
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
288
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:29:00 -
[91] - Quote
You are obviously more used to simpler, less demanding games. Perhaps EVE is not for you if you can't accept the nature of the sandbox and decry suicide ganking as 'pathetic' and 'disgusting'. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
34
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:33:00 -
[92] - Quote
And here, dear viewers, we have an example of the species absurdus maximus in its natural habitat doing what they are fondest of doing, blaming the environment / circumstances / others for its own shortcomings.
Learn from your mistakes and take revenge, use that kill right you have. If not good bye and good riddance. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
118
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:43:00 -
[93] - Quote
Someone should make up a saying about not putting all your chickens in one box or something like that.
Also, Tornado = 60mil with guns like 70mil
so shooting at a 300mil+ ship is a viable way of making isk and valid pvp.
Fit a better tank next time. |
Arthur Frayn
Root.
70
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:57:00 -
[94] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Arthur Frayn wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. While you have my sympathy for your recent loss, perhaps you would care to explain why you hopped in your battleship, flew it into nullsec and got it blown up by your own alliance mates and one corp mate. Might as well have some fun before I go.
I'm not done with you yet.
Remember this guy? Your first kill. A peaceful miner, pretty defenseless against your gank fleet. Or this dude, peacefully hauling some mods for himself or his corpmates. And here's a noctis pilot, peacefully salvaging drone materials. None of those guys had a chance against your non-consensual pvping. Who are you to whine and complain that your situation is any different?
Oh but that was all in 0.0 where anything is allowed. They were fair game because they were in lawless space, right? A lesson that should've sunk in by now is that everyone in every solar system in Eve is fair game. You don't get to cry when it happens to you, you miserable sack of ****. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
156
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:29:00 -
[95] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.
It's good you decide to quit now because if you aren't able to handle the reality of a sandbox game like EVE then you shouldn't stay expecting it to change. You either accept that you did a stupid thing and rebuild,or give up and we can tank a Ganker for weeding out a weak link in the gene pool.
Either way don't act as if you "can't" continue to play as you can, but you are choosing the opt out.. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
408
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:30:00 -
[96] - Quote
I fell for this troll. It was under the bridge, hairy and smelly but still managed to troll me proper.
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:40:00 -
[97] - Quote
Dying is part of the game.
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
534
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:51:00 -
[98] - Quote
Why do all these stories have a "I stopped watching what I was doing and decided to do something else for 'just a second' and when I came back..." in them? Seems with 300 mill on the line it would deserve some attention.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Shameless Suicidal Space Barbies
37
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:52:00 -
[99] - Quote
Was going to send you some ISK but then I took a look at your killboard.
Did that retriever put up a good fight?
Hypocrite. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
704
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:10:00 -
[100] - Quote
I bet you tab out to switch music when playing LoL too don't you? or DotA?
When you're shopping you leave your purse unattended in the cart when you wander off to look at shoes don't you?
When you're driving you probably turn around and dig in the back seat for a snack.
When crossing the street, you scoff at the suggestion of looking both ways and boldly step out, then stop to tie your shoes in the middle of the road.
Pro-tip: When playing the game, play the game.
Welcome to Eve. Here's your sign... |
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
63
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:10:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jayarr Altol wrote:Copine Callmeknau wrote:6/10
+1 for 'All I wanted to do was [wahhhhhh]' -1 for obvious Not trolling, Just very very butthurt. Oh Well in that case you should probably realise the kill was done for profit not sport, you had a lot of ISK in the cargohold of what was apparently a very thinly tanked ship.
It goes like this, pirate has ship that costs 50mil to replace, pirate scans ships passing by, if a ship has say, 110mil of loot on board, there's roughly 50% chance of that loot dropping if the ship is popped. 50% drop = ~60mil, take out cost of ship loss, 10 mil profit for the pirate, plus he may be able to recover his guns/dmg mods further recouping his costs.
If you carry 500mil of stuff in a ship that would die to a 50mil ship you will get popped if you go afk for any amount of time, and if your ship aligns slowly you may get destroyed regardless of being afk. If you carry 500iml of stuff in a ship that would take 10x 50mil ships to destroy, you will probably not get popped, as it's not profitable.
Ganking is a business people |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
537
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:12:00 -
[102] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.
don't quit bro, stick with it - you will regret leaving.
I'll give you some isk.
www.shipsofeve.com
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
417
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:18:00 -
[103] - Quote
You're going to complain about having to go on another two weeks scrimping and saving to engage in more pvp, but you're totally overlooking the fact that while you're doing all of this, skills are training. And I bet you've seen the two-week plus skills. It's all about time. Oh and staying at your keyboard until you're docked. Then you can tab out.
Fly Safe, Die Hard CEO of B.U.T.T. -á(recruitment is open) Twitter: @MerylSinGarda
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Glasgow Dunlop
Posthuman Society Enclave.
3
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:20:00 -
[104] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. You were outplayed. He was at his keyboard controlling his ship. You were not. I fail to understand the cries of the "that's not real PvP!" crowd. Of course it is. It's just potentially non-consensual and has repercussions, and that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here? .
nice to know im loved
pvp happens to everyone, if there looking for it, or in your case weren't, from 1.0 to -1.0 systems. |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
72
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:24:00 -
[105] - Quote
OP describes the reason why I keep coming back to the game. Post with your monkey. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
254
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:27:00 -
[106] - Quote
Really dude this is a non issue and i wouldn't have it any other way. This is a game and in games you can win, lose or draw. It just so happens that you have lost and you have chosen to let this be game over for you. This is a good thing because if we were all successive in EvE and things went the way we wanted all the time, there would be no game.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
50
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:28:00 -
[107] - Quote
Posting in a high-quality troll thread. Personally, I felt you were excessive by claiming to be super awesome at Starcraft, but it doesn't seem to have stopped people from lining up to feed you. Well played, sir. |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
537
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:33:00 -
[108] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Posting in a high-quality troll thread. Personally, I felt you were excessive by claiming to be super awesome at Starcraft, but it doesn't seem to have stopped people from lining up to feed you. Well played, sir.
Hmm seems sincere to me :
www.shipsofeve.com
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
417
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:35:00 -
[109] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Posting in a high-quality troll thread. Personally, I felt you were excessive by claiming to be super awesome at Starcraft, but it doesn't seem to have stopped people from lining up to feed you. Well played, sir.
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Are ya sure?
Fly Safe, Die Hard CEO of B.U.T.T. -á(recruitment is open) Twitter: @MerylSinGarda
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
517
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:40:00 -
[110] - Quote
Hey OP, you didn't lose anything.
You gained a sub-standard understanding that you can do the same thing.
So, find yourself a destroyer, fit a cargo scanner, and pop industrials like the guy did to you. As you noticed, there are idiots out there that just give their isk away in crappy tank industrials. You need a second alt or another player to loot, but a destroyer can cost about 3 million while popping an industrial worth 300-400m plus (yeah, I have seen a guy I know who should of known better to not have that much in an Iteron...he lost it a few months ago and is still playing). |
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Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
90
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:46:00 -
[111] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote: In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. I sure know that I wouldn't get any satisfaction just sitting my ship outside a gate and blowing people up when they look away from their screens.
I understand I made a gamble, but losing everything I had worked for doesn't seem like an appropriate punishment for looking away from my screen for a few seconds. Its hard enough for a brand new player to make isk as it is, now I have to deal with people killing me just for sport?
You undocked, you consented to pvp. Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon. |
Jonah Gravenstein
112
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:46:00 -
[112] - Quote
ITT the OP got ganked and felt that everyone in Eve was a sociopathic low life who like nothing more than to collect tears & gank haulers, then people stepped up to help him out with advice & ISK/ships. He'll come back later today to find his wallet & assets have increased through others goodwill.
Looking back at the OPs killboard he's killed some defenseless ships, now he has become a victim and doesn't like it, there is a lesson in this if you look hard enough.
TL;DR we're not all people who RP at being bastards, don't put all your eggs in one basket, and avoid Jita like the plague, there's a reason that it's in the avoid list by default, it quite literally is Somalia in space and the surrounding choke points are full of pirates. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Vanguard One
4th Drake Squadron
5
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:50:00 -
[113] - Quote
Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:Was going to send you some ISK but then I took a look at your killboard.
Well, I did without checking the Killboard as you did. Will not make that mistake again. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
174
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:13:00 -
[114] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote: PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.
Apparently, he/she outsmarted you so much that there was no need to outplay you.
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Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:31:00 -
[115] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:... that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here?
The 'real life" thing has to die (pardon the pun). There are no real repercussions.
In "real life" when we give a mass murderer the drip (or when the mob kills the bully, for those of you living in non-DP jurisdictions), he doesn't re-spawn with his bank account and possessions intact. When you wreck your car in the commission of a crime, the insurance company doesn't reimburse you. Those are real repercussions.
This is a game, and the analogy is crap. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
417
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:42:00 -
[116] - Quote
Hamshoe wrote:Amity Lane wrote:... that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here?
The 'real life" thing has to die (pardon the pun). There are no real repercussions. In "real life" when we give a mass murderer the drip (or when the mob kills the bully, for those of you living in non-DP jurisdictions), he doesn't re-spawn with his bank account and possessions intact. When you wreck your car in the commission of a crime, the insurance company doesn't reimburse you. Those are real repercussions. This is a game, and the analogy is crap.
So, in real life, instead of being put to death for murder, the government just empties your bank account and blows up your car. ZING.
Fly Safe, Die Hard CEO of B.U.T.T. -á(recruitment is open) Twitter: @MerylSinGarda
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Dilaro thagriin
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
30
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:43:00 -
[117] - Quote
ok... so you got suicide ganked.
tornado pilot locked you, scanned your cargo, realised your stuff was worth more than his ship, and popped it. this happens more often than you seem to realise. hell, GOONS spent quite some time suicide ganking ice miners 'just for lulz'...
but seriously.. 300 mil and 2 weeks, is nothing. it's a drop in the ocean. my worst loss to stupidity... not watching what my drones were doing when a ninja looter stole from me then locked me up. he had neutral orca support (something i gather CCP are considering fixing) and swapped out to a slepnir when my drones aggressed. and i proceeded to lose over 750 mil worth of ship and fittings.
I cursed mightily, considered my options, looked at the insurance payout and cursed again. then i bought a new battlecruiser and ran level 3's to make some isk back so i could get back into a battleship.
give it time, train some more, and then, even just runnng missions to make isk for throwaway PvP ships, you can make that 300 mil in a short time running level 4's. loot and salvage everything in the missions and you'll rake in the isk.. (or train up for an incursion ship and make ludicrous isk, if you can get past the 1337 wall) |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
114
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:46:00 -
[118] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp.
except that you consented to PvP the second you undocked. That's EVE Online.
if you don't like that fact, then this is not the game for you.
alternatively you could HTFU and set out for some revenge. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
417
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:55:00 -
[119] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Spacebar Chelien wrote:In my mind non-consensual pvp is by definition not real pvp. except that you consented to PvP the second you undocked. That's EVE Online. if you don't like that fact, then this is not the game for you. alternatively you could HTFU and set out for some revenge.
http://youtu.be/VgvM7av1o1Q
Fly Safe, Die Hard CEO of B.U.T.T. -á(recruitment is open) Twitter: @MerylSinGarda
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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:59:00 -
[120] - Quote
Wonder how much personal stupidity has cause people quitting?
Rather than the game its self |
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Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
90
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:03:00 -
[121] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:to the op, sadly mate you are going to get trolled by the idiots.. However yes this is the problem with eve, and thats why eve isnt for everyone, thats why it will never really grow to its full potential becuase of stuff like this. I have quit a couple of times on the same reasons, but perservered, and learnt from the mistakes. and there lies the solution, you have to basically learn from mistakes and try not do them again. Like next time, i bet you dont autopilot? But there again being alphad be a cheap ship, with very little condesequences, which i think is very very wrong.
Sadly eve will continue to lose new players like yourself until they do something about helping new players actually learn the game. They dont, they just throw them to the sharks and say get on with it.
Your post is the first idiot troll to be honest. I've been helping new players learn the game so as other have, so take your uninformed opinion and leave. Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon. |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
59
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:05:00 -
[122] - Quote
This game is unforgiving of lazy ADHD people, find your mistake a fix it. No one will ******* hold your hand. My advice is to join Eve University, they can help you.
EDIT Why do I get the feeling I've been trolled by the OP? You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.
-Winston Churchill |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
152
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:06:00 -
[123] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again.
I can't think of anyone that I fly with on a regular basis who hasn't lost most or all of their assets at some point.
Hell, I remember my first trip out to nullsec way back, I lost everything - quit my corp, went back to highsec with barely enough isk to buy a retriever and a hauler (I was miner in those days...), spent two weeks getting back on my feet.
Actually thinking of going back to mining for the first time in years, have you seen the mineral markets recently? My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
BBJ Shepard
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
237
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:08:00 -
[124] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?
I love PvP. Its why I play video games, and its what drew me to this game. Unfortunately, PvP is also expensive, especially for new players. So in order to make enough isk to buy myself some ships to get blown up I picked up trading. Just simple buy low, sell high stuff. I was making pretty decent isk doing it too, and after a couple weeks I had made about 300 million. Today I found a pretty good trade from Dodixie to Jita and decided to buy up 300 million worth of stuffs to haul. Yes, I spent almost all my isk. Was that stupid? In hindsight, yes. However I had run trades like this dozens of times without running into any problems whatsever.
Anyways about halfway through my route (I was not auto-piloting), I tabbed out to pick a new song and check my email quickly. When I tabbed back in, I was sitting in my pod. Turns out some guy in a tornado popped me within seconds in high sec. Just like that, I lost weeks of work.
I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.
So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit. :): ?(: |
Sidrun
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:20:00 -
[125] - Quote
heh, he got popped trying to cash in on the zydrine speculating.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15919102 |
Keno Skir
110
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:22:00 -
[126] - Quote
Contact me, i'll buy u a ship and we can pvp like your talkin about. As for the ship you lost, the person who killed you didn't do it to show off his pvp skills most likely. He probably did it cus you had a bunch of money he wanted in a paper bad dangling on a string from your pocket. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
218
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:23:00 -
[127] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Take a deep breath. Relax. Log in tomorrow. :)
-Liang I have nothing left. I got my remaining ships blown up and shipped off my last isk. I wish I could have kept playing this game because the actual PvP where you fight against other people who actually want to PvP was fun. But I am not willing to spend another two weeks saving up isk just to get it blown up again. Frankly, if you keep at playing you will spend a lot more time in the future making money because stuff got blown up. In the end, that's what EVE is about: blowing stuff up and making new stuff to replace the old stuff that blew up. ;)
Also: - never fly what you cannot afford to lose, and that includes your cargo; - never put all of your eggs in the same basket.
Hope you continue playing. Yes, you can do it. The next 300 million will come faster now that you know what you are doing. |
Peter Powers
FinFleet Raiden.
77
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:27:00 -
[128] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent.
tabbing out with a cargohold full of stuff being worth more than the ship thats needed to kill yours i'd say you got outsmarted and outplayed. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:31:00 -
[129] - Quote
Vetorept Fera wrote:Something sandboxy happened in the sandbox.
This game is not for you op, move on back to WoW Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Naga Elohim
Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking
15
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:34:00 -
[130] - Quote
I have lost "everything" twice in Niarja over a span of five years. Do you know what I have learned during that time? TANK YOUR HAULER!!!!
Yeah, those cargo expanders come in handy, but they do you no good when a tornado or thrasher alphawtfpwns you.
I'll usually fly a bestower with shield extenders, armor plates and inertia stabilizers. Haven't been suicide ganked since!
HTFU, dust yourself off and keep playing! This is EVE and you will lose. Once you have come to terms with that reality, you will have the best experience of your gaming life! |
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
289
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:34:00 -
[131] - Quote
Not too long ago, I passed through Niarja in my Orca Alt when I saw a massive fleet of sensor-boosted Tornadoes parked on one of the gates. Thankfully, I jump out in time. Those systems are to be avoided at all costs.
Anyways, as others have said, you're biggest mistake:
You put all your eggs in one basket and took absolutely no measures to protect yourself. Well, I'm assuming you were in a freighter loaded with everything, correct? What ship did you use to haul with really? Also, did you use secure containers in this?
I usually rely on the Orca due to the many advantages it has over any other hauler.
1. Players are not able to scan into your ship bay, corp hangar bay, and the ore hold. Only Faction police have that privilege when it comes to smuggling boosters or illegal tags. This leaves only the standard cargohold to be scannable.
2. If your Orca blows up, any and all items stored in any of the bays other than the cargohold are lost 100% and they never appear in the aggressor's killmail. This makes it easy to sneak loads of expensive stuff. Just make sure that you only fill the standard cargohold will useless junk.
3. Serious tank. On its own, without mods, the Orca is as fragile as a freighter. But with enough trained skills, a careful eye, and proper T2 mods, the Orca's EHP total can go beyond 260,000 which is a lot to eat through. It would take no less than 10-15 max-alpha Tornadoes to kill it and even then the cost of losing that many Tornadoes for measly space mods and no chance of getting anything from the non-standard bays makes it not worth it to gank a F--kOff Orca.
4. Regardless of the advantages an Orca has over a freighter, it is way cheaper than the freighter at about 1/4 the cost. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
59
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:39:00 -
[132] - Quote
But you have to have been autopiloting. Either that or looking away from your screen for longer than 30 seconds + lock time + breaking through your tank time.
The only way you can seriously be caught like that on a gate these days is if you were on autopilot (stupid STUPID STUPID), or had decloaked on the other side of a gate which iirc takes 30 seconds. No-one with an ounce of brain matter uses the warp-to-zero button for travelling now because it's pointless, the auto-jump saves clicking and eliminates the chance of you getting popped.
So logically, either you were on full autopilot, and afk, or, you were alt-tabbed a LOT longer than a few seconds.
Also whatever possesed you to fly your only remaining ship into nullsec? Yeah okay, go looking for PVP fine but at least break the battleship up and sell the minerals, or just sell it outright, and buy 20 rifters or whatever and go PVP in those. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
422
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:45:00 -
[133] - Quote
9/10 hidden begging for isk thread pls lock. I have more space likes than you.-á |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
94
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:59:00 -
[134] - Quote
HTFU. Everything dies. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:36:00 -
[135] - Quote
300mill ISK? The right to ***** starts at 1 billion ISK minimum. |
Pod Potato
WARLOCKS SCUM.
18
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:47:00 -
[136] - Quote
Well... theres always Perpetuum. It's a sandbox MMO, it has PvP and PvE areas. But, the PvE areas there don't have any 'surprise' PvP like what happened to you. Also, Perpetuum has a better training over time model. No clones, no implants, etc. and that means no fear in losing too much in PvP. And, just like that I contributed nothing to this thread. |
Spacebar Chelien
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:04:00 -
[137] - Quote
To everyone saying I'm a troll, I most definitely am not. I don't see how highlighting my corp history shows that I am.
And to everyone that says I'm a hypocrite for ganking in null-sec, I don't follow that line of reasoning. As far as I knew, null-sec was the pvp zone, high sec was a safe place, and low sec was somewhere in-between. If you go into null-sec to mine/trade/pve you are taking a risk that you get ganked but are also going to make a lot more money. There were a lot of trades that I could have made in low sec that I avoided because I knew it wouldn't be worth the risk, and when I flew into low-sec and got my indy blown up I didn't complain. But apparently this isn't the case. |
Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:59:00 -
[138] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Hamshoe wrote:Amity Lane wrote:... that's what makes EvE unique. It's like real life. I've used this analogy before, but I think it's a pretty good one: You wouldn't go to Glasgow and wave fistfuls of cash above your head and expect nothing to happen. Why would you here?
The 'real life" thing has to die (pardon the pun). There are no real repercussions. In "real life" when we give a mass murderer the drip (or when the mob kills the bully, for those of you living in non-DP jurisdictions), he doesn't re-spawn with his bank account and possessions intact. When you wreck your car in the commission of a crime, the insurance company doesn't reimburse you. Those are real repercussions. This is a game, and the analogy is crap. So, in real life, instead of being put to death for murder, the government just empties your bank account and blows up your car. ZING.
And the concept of "suicide ganking" as a career maps equally well. Getting other people to do it for you, now there's a career.
But it only works in EVE precisely because there are no real repercussions. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
220
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Posted - 2012.04.05 19:03:00 -
[139] - Quote
Quote:As far as I knew, null-sec was the pvp zone, high sec was a safe place, and low sec was somewhere in-between. Well, you knew wrong. High-sec is intended to be safer than other places, but it was not intended to be a completely safe place.
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sukee tsayah
Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous
16
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Posted - 2012.04.05 19:03:00 -
[140] - Quote
Guys, everyone stop casting accusations and making judgements about something you know nothing about. Spacebar is not a troll. If he was, we wouldn't have killed his Mega in Syndicate yesterday.
Spacebar-
You did great in our PvP ops. In the short time you were with us you got more kills than some of the people in this forum get in a whole year (or their whole EVE career for that matter).
We have a wealth of information for you in our forums and we make ourselves available and accessible through our Alliance channels. You know (and you can't deny this) that I've gone way out of my way to teach new guys like you how to do well in Eve. I've written countless guides for new pilots on how to make isk to PVP with, and how to not lose that isk subsequently. I've FC'ed fleets with 30 pilots where half of them had never PVP'ed before.
As you stated, in one of our ops you got to kill a Thanatos with nothing but a t1 cruiser. One of those in our fleet had been playing Eve for THREE HOURS and he got a carrier kill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCpFCk6xurY
Now think about it for a second. We had to jump through a wormhole that took us from Syndicate to carebear land in Fountain in order to catch this Thanatos with his pants down. The only reason this guy was caught was because we leapfrogged over his "eyes" that were watching the systems next door by using that wormhole to catch him. Do you think he consented to PVP? Do you think he thought it was fair that we tackled him with a Stabber and then dropped 30 other t1 cruisers on top of him?
It's how the game works man. PVP exists in every region of EVE, no matter the security level of the system. There is plenty more for you to learn but you have to be patient. Yesterday, before you stormed out and decided to suicide your battleship into the most active PVP region in the EVE universe, I gave you links to show you that this has happened to all of us. All of us had to learn the hard way. Hell, when I was a newb I took a suicide gank loss like yours too. Except I lost a lot more isk than you did. Did I quit? No. I learned from it and never did it again. That's how this game works.
Finally, I think you're onto something when you mention that you enjoyed our fleet fights a lot more than our ganks. Naturally. That's the most fun part of EVE. I would much rather get in a huge fleet fight than gank a sole ship. With that said, killing carriers with t1 fitted cruisers is also a great hobby of mine. I enjoy it because of how rare and hard it is to do. You may think it's not PVP but it's actually exactly how EVE's PVP is supposed to work. Eve's PVP is intelligent. It involves a lot more than point and shoot. You need to think on your feet, you need to have intel, and you need to know enough about the game to make quick decisions that will likely cost you your ship and most likely your whole fleet (hence why I love to FC). Just as easily as we ganked that Thanny, he could have had a fleet of battleships next door that could have decimated our cruiser fleet. If that would have happened, you wouldn't have heard any of us talking about how unfair that is. It's the game.
I'm really bummed that you decided to do what you did. Did I enjoy blowing up your Mega? No. Did I want another alliance in Syndicate to blow it up instead? Hell no. That's why I gave everyone the order to blow up your ship.
As a parting shot I would recommend that you think twice about quitting. I saw that you sent me the rest of your isk. I appreciate the thought and I think you did it because you appreciate the time I took to teach new players like you how to play the game, but again: I don't need it. If you tell me right now that you'll reconsider, that isk will be sent right back to you (and then some), and I promise to spend as much time as you need in order for me to go over some of the other nuances in EVE, such as the experience you just went through.
That's as much as I'm willing to say here, except for one thing: Jayarr...shut the f&%$ up.
www.figl-alliance.com |
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xHxHxAOD
Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:09:00 -
[141] - Quote
it was a great and quite fun bc it got us more pvp but im an @ss so im fine with |
Kemonia
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:13:00 -
[142] - Quote
sukee tsayah wrote:Guys, everyone stop casting accusations and making judgements about something you know nothing about. Spacebar is not a troll. If he was, we wouldn't have killed his Mega in Syndicate yesterday. Spacebar- You did great in our PvP ops. In the short time you were with us you got more kills than some of the people in this forum get in a whole year (or their whole EVE career for that matter). We have a wealth of information for you in our forums and we make ourselves available and accessible through our Alliance channels. You know (and you can't deny this) that I've gone way out of my way to teach new guys like you how to do well in Eve. I've written countless guides for new pilots on how to make isk to PVP with, and how to not lose that isk subsequently. I've FC'ed fleets with 30 pilots where half of them had never PVP'ed before. As you stated, in one of our ops you got to kill a Thanatos with nothing but a t1 cruiser. One of those in our fleet had been playing Eve for THREE HOURS and he got a carrier kill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCpFCk6xurYNow think about it for a second. We had to jump through a wormhole that took us from Syndicate to carebear land in Fountain in order to catch this Thanatos with his pants down. The only reason this guy was caught was because we leapfrogged over his "eyes" that were watching the systems next door by using that wormhole to catch him. Do you think he consented to PVP? Do you think he thought it was fair that we tackled him with a Stabber and then dropped 30 other t1 cruisers on top of him? It's how the game works man. PVP exists in every region of EVE, no matter the security level of the system. There is plenty more for you to learn but you have to be patient. Yesterday, before you stormed out and decided to suicide your battleship into the most active PVP region in the EVE universe, I gave you links to show you that this has happened to all of us. All of us had to learn the hard way. Hell, when I was a newb I took a suicide gank loss like yours too. Except I lost a lot more isk than you did. Did I quit? No. I learned from it and never did it again. That's how this game works. Finally, I think you're onto something when you mention that you enjoyed our fleet fights a lot more than our ganks. Naturally. That's the most fun part of EVE. I would much rather get in a huge fleet fight than gank a sole ship. With that said, killing carriers with t1 fitted cruisers is also a great hobby of mine. I enjoy it because of how rare and hard it is to do. You may think it's not PVP but it's actually exactly how EVE's PVP is supposed to work. Eve's PVP is intelligent. It involves a lot more than point and shoot. You need to think on your feet, you need to have intel, and you need to know enough about the game to make quick decisions that will likely cost you your ship and most likely your whole fleet (hence why I love to FC). Just as easily as we ganked that Thanny, he could have had a fleet of battleships next door that could have decimated our cruiser fleet. If that would have happened, you wouldn't have heard any of us talking about how unfair that is. It's the game. I'm really bummed that you decided to do what you did. Did I enjoy blowing up your Mega? No. Did I want another alliance in Syndicate to blow it up instead? Hell no. That's why I gave everyone the order to blow up your ship. As a parting shot I would recommend that you think twice about quitting. I saw that you sent me the rest of your isk. I appreciate the thought and I think you did it because you appreciate the time I took to teach new players like you how to play the game, but again: I don't need it. If you tell me right now that you'll reconsider, that isk will be sent right back to you (and then some), and I promise to spend as much time as you need in order for me to go over some of the other nuances in EVE, such as the experience you just went through. That's as much as I'm willing to say here, except for one thing: Jayarr...shut the f&%$ up. www.figl-alliance.com
Well said.
Re-join them Spacebar, they seem a good alliance with a good leader |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1280
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:21:00 -
[143] - Quote
My first two months of playing Eve were a series of me finding stupid ways to lose ships I could barely afford. I was tagging along on L4 missions with friends, and flying cruisers to do it. Then we figured out salvaging was decent money (by our standards) and I flew a salvage Catalyst and lost several of those salvaging in live mission rooms. It became a running gag that I couldn't go a week without seeing my ship blow up at least once, and that I'd never see a nine-digit wallet.
I'm about seven weeks from my two-year anniversary in this game. I plex three accounts every month and have cash left over to buy the expensive ships I like to fly. It gets better and easier. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
adopt
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
375
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:59:00 -
[144] - Quote
You learned EVE's harshest lesson first. A few years ago now I joined a nullsec alliance, I was completely new, had 120million isk to my name and a drake. I didn't know what jump bridges or anything like that was, I jumped straight into a gate camp and lost my drake, and foolishly paid the ransom for my pod. I had 1 million isk, and no ships. I literally nearly quit EVE.
What changed my mind? EVE is a game. Pixels can be remade. I now have 11 accounts, an 11 digit bank balance and plenty of spaceships to die in. EVE is hard, you live and you learn. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Tear Miner
Republic University Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:03:00 -
[145] - Quote
This thread is not in GD? How... what do? |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
243
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:27:00 -
[146] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that..
The problem is you made yourself a target, you might think you can trade peacefully but that doesn't exist in EVE. You have goals you want to achieve and that's great but you forget the other players around you have their own goals. Whoever killed you obviously wanted your cargo. You made two mistakes, firstly you where naive and believed you could "trade peacefully" and forgot other people would see a space pi+¦ata. Your second mistake was not preparing and taking precautions. Travelling a watched route in a flimsy ship and then going AFK was simply suicide.
I know its a hard lesson, many of us had that lesson to. What happens now is up to you, you can learn from it and pick yourself up and carry on. Do you want to be defeated and routed over some cargo? Dusting yourself and carrying on will make you stronger, you had your lesson and it was harsh but you will know better in the future.
You may want to quit but you can start again, you earned your ISK and learned trading skills and you can do it again and you will be more experienced. You might even make more ISK faster, you will also know you have to ensure your own safety and security.
Do not quit, try again and use the skills you learned and be even more successful in the future.
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Spacebar Chelien
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:27:00 -
[147] - Quote
Well looking back at the lessons I've learned from this it just makes me realize that this game just probably isn't for me.
Never haul shiny stuff inside less shiny stuf -Ok, great. But doing this was the only way I found of making a reasonable amount of isk without making me want to shoot myself
Never look away from your screen -Good lesson. All I have to do is live my life in fear of that one time when I'm doing something the least bit risky and I have to answer the door
Don't put all your eggs in one basket -Ok, but again doing this was the only way I found to make isk. I want to fly shiny stuff. Nothing too fancy, but I don't want to be flying around in a tier 1 frigate for months doing the dirty work for people in much nicer ships
So maybe I could get back into it. I'm thinking about it, the responses in this thread have been very positive and its shown that the community is a lot better than I thought. But then again for all I know I could find out in a few weeks time that |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
243
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:05:00 -
[148] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:I'm thinking about it, the responses in this thread have been very positive and its shown that the community is a lot better than I thought.
Most people have been positive because you didn't whine, in your post it was obvious you where disappointed but you didn't cry or whine. The players sympathise because they have been there themselves at some point.
Even when you have bucket loads of ISK and SP things can go wrong, ships can die, "friends" can scam you, cap ships can get bounced off a station because of a badly placed cyno.
EVE is like real life, you have to accept the ups and downs and live with the uncertainty. Check your contracts btw. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
225
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Posted - 2012.04.06 07:42:00 -
[149] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Well looking back at the lessons I've learned from this it just makes me realize that this game just probably isn't for me.
Never haul shiny stuff inside less shiny stuf -Ok, great. But doing this was the only way I found of making a reasonable amount of isk without making me want to shoot myself Don't put all your eggs in one basket -Ok, but again doing this was the only way I found to make isk. I want to fly shiny stuff. Nothing too fancy, but I don't want to be flying around in a tier 1 frigate for months doing the dirty work for people in much nicer ships You can make money from trade say by hauling the same stuff in three goes, instead of one. It will take you a little longer, but not months, lessens the chances of you being ganked tremendously, and means that even if you lose one of the cargoes, you can still go on.
Quote:Never look away from your screen -Good lesson. All I have to do is live my life in fear of that one time when I'm doing something the least bit risky and I have to answer the door If you need to get up in an emergency, first hit "dock" on some random station and see your ship starting to warp. That will take less than 20 seconds and unless the house is actually burning down or a child choking on a peanut, you have the 20 seconds. And if it is a real emergency, you should not care of the ship. And it's not "never". You can look away to your mails while in warp, say. Play in fixed window mode, so you can see when the warp ends from behind your email program.
Also, one thing you need to learn to be successful in EVE is to not live in the fear of a loss. Only fly what you can afford to lose. That is not just good advice, it is absolutely crucial for EVE to be playable. You cannot fly very well if every time you undock you are terrified of losing your ship. You have to get used to losses and develop a place inside your mind where you do not care about exploding (or not care very much). |
Brisco County
The Shadow Plague BLACK-MARK
28
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Posted - 2012.04.06 09:01:00 -
[150] - Quote
Only flying what you can afford to lose is a bs cliche. Fly whatever you want. Worst case scenario you have to take your insurance payout and run a few missions in a cruiser to make some isk back. |
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Arthur Frayn
Root.
75
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:00:00 -
[151] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:And to everyone that says I'm a hypocrite for ganking in null-sec, I don't follow that line of reasoning.
No, you don't seem to follow much at all, do you?
Spacebar Chelien wrote:As far as I knew, null-sec was the pvp zone, high sec was a safe place, and low sec was somewhere in-between.
YOU KNEW WRONG, B¦ûTCH |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
229
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:57:00 -
[152] - Quote
Brisco County wrote:Only flying what you can afford to lose is a bs cliche. Fly whatever you want. Worst case scenario you have to take your insurance payout and run a few missions in a cruiser to make some isk back. But if you are fine with that, then you can afford to lose the ship.
"Can afford to lose" does not mean "can afford to immediately replace out of your wallet". It means "can lose and go on playing". You might have a fancy ship you got from somewhere cheap and while you enjoy it you do not intend to replace if it gets blown up - you can easily afford to get it blown up, even if your wallet figure is way below it's total price. On the other hand, you might have saved your first Rifter evah and be so emotionally attached to it that if you lost it, you'd throw a tantrum and quit. You cannot afford to lose that Rifter, even though you could easily buy a dozen similar ones.
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Jonah Gravenstein
127
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:00:00 -
[153] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: On the other hand, you might have saved your first Rifter evah and be so emotionally attached to it that if you lost it, you'd throw a tantrum and quit. You cannot afford to lose that Rifter, even though you could easily buy a dozen similar ones.
I still have my first Rifter, still got my first Thasher to, would be gutted to lose them, they saw me through the first couple of months without assploding on me.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Sonny Dang
EVE University Ivy League
17
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Posted - 2012.04.06 13:30:00 -
[154] - Quote
This is why EVE is nothing like other MMOs. If you feel that you've wasted your time playing this game then I'm sorry for you.
If you said that you've already quit the game and don't want to have anything to do with it anymore then why are you still posting on this thread? Trying to pick out a few freebies perhaps?
If you still want to play the game then my advise to you would be to join some corporation to your liking and get some help. After all, that's why corps are for right? To have fun and to help each other. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
229
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Posted - 2012.04.06 13:36:00 -
[155] - Quote
Quote:I still have my first Rifter, still got my first Thasher to, would be gutted to lose them, they saw me through the first couple of months without assploding on me. If I still had my first Rifter, I'd never undock in it I think. But I don't, because I got it exploded and lost my first clone too, like a total noob, thinking that you can just take a ship and a bunch of noob friends and go sight-seeing in zero sec. Didn't have time to see what got us. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1282
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:51:00 -
[156] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Never haul shiny stuff inside less shiny stuf -Ok, great. But doing this was the only way I found of making a reasonable amount of isk without making me want to shoot myself A lot of it depends on what you're hauling. I've made good money hauling 0.1 m3 items in shuttles. Know how to fly and what gates to avoid and you'll generally do okay.
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Never look away from your screen -Good lesson. All I have to do is live my life in fear of that one time when I'm doing something the least bit risky and I have to answer the door Or when you need to answer the door, log out in space or dock up.
Spacebar Chelien wrote:Don't put all your eggs in one basket -Ok, but again doing this was the only way I found to make isk. I want to fly shiny stuff. Nothing too fancy, but I don't want to be flying around in a tier 1 frigate for months doing the dirty work for people in much nicer ships Always have reserves. ALWAYS. Don't risk more than half of what you have in a venture (until you know what you're doing and have the isk to spare...I keep about 75% of mine invested). If you're spending months in T1 frigates, you need to find a better means of generating isk. There are a LOT of ways to do that and you should try more of them.
Spacebar Chelien wrote:So maybe I could get back into it. I'm thinking about it, the responses in this thread have been very positive and its shown that the community is a lot better than I thought.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
D3F4ULT
21
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:16:00 -
[157] - Quote
I remember when I lost my first frigate.
Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1394
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:21:00 -
[158] - Quote
As usual, another victim not of non-consensual PVP, but of stupid ship loss.
Yes, PVP is expensive when you do nothing but blob and get blobbed. Eve, they say, is not like a FPS game where you lose nothing and respawn with everything, but why do so many people play like it is and fly into certain death?
Stupid ship loss is the root of many evils, the need to bot, grind incursions, RMT. All because people won't treat the sandbox like a sandbox and think outside of the box. It's like all those dumb yuppies being stuck on the same highway every day at the same time and it never occurs to them to try another route.
Yes there are lot of FCs and 0.0 overlords who run their fleets like 18th century aristocrats (whose real goal was to thin the population) but you don' have to be their fodder.
And yes, camp and blob tactics are a detriment to the game, but CCP appears to be working on that. The supercap hotdrop is on it's way out.
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Sonny Dang
EVE University Ivy League
17
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:39:00 -
[159] - Quote
I remember when I first got suicide ganked and podded ... all that went through my head what "well **** ... oh well" and then I hunted for the killrights =)) fun time |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
79
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Posted - 2012.04.06 22:24:00 -
[160] - Quote
"My God, it's full of tears" On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
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Keno Skir
110
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Posted - 2012.04.07 10:40:00 -
[161] - Quote
Write down the names of you attackers.
Now you have an end-game.
Welcome to EvE. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Ambrynni McNeil
Bacon.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 11:01:00 -
[162] - Quote
Hmmn well I have just upgraded a 60 day trial, so I'm a new player too.
All I can say is, there is no point quitting. You have learned a lot already, you made a hell of a lot of money for a new character, I'm a bit jealous actually XD
Quitting will probably only get a few laughs out of the guy that ganked you. You can make that money again. You seem to be just rejecting every piece of advice people are sending your way in this thread so if you really have your heart set on quitting, go ahead and don't take anyones advice. But people here are trying to help and encourage you!
So think about it- It's just a game, you will lose ships, you will lose money. But it isn't the end of the world.
I'm looking forward to playing and I am expecting a few losses along the way so don't feel bad, I think you did very well for yourself. Just don't spend all your money on one go XD |
Mister LEM0NS
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
2
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Posted - 2012.04.10 23:35:00 -
[163] - Quote
I had no idea what the colored numbers meant when I started playing EVE, just that the lower they went the better the stuff rats would drop was. I was with my buddy, me in a supremely fail-fit caracal, and him in a cormorant. We went to a belt and played with the NPC cruisers running about. A caracal warped in, instantaneously warp scrambled us both, neuted me, wiped out my buddy like nothing, and turned his sights on me. Being that it was a trial I couldnt give him the ISK he asked so he took made sure I wouldnt have it either and kapweted my carafail.
I hated that guy, for about a month... After I started working my way up in the world, I sent him a message, a thank you message. He tought me how fail my fits actually were, and now you could say were 'friends', though he is still a bit of a jerk taking the newbs out on 'lowsec runs' with a drake almost completely fitted with warp scrams in the meds...
Point is, you have to start somewhere. You got a battleship taken from you in lowsec, why even use a battleship to make the cash? Battlecruisers do the job just as well at 1/3rd the price. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
183
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:42:00 -
[164] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?
I love PvP. Its why I play video games, and its what drew me to this game. Unfortunately, PvP is also expensive, especially for new players. So in order to make enough isk to buy myself some ships to get blown up I picked up trading. Just simple buy low, sell high stuff. I was making pretty decent isk doing it too, and after a couple weeks I had made about 300 million. Today I found a pretty good trade from Dodixie to Jita and decided to buy up 300 million worth of stuffs to haul. Yes, I spent almost all my isk. Was that stupid? In hindsight, yes. However I had run trades like this dozens of times without running into any problems whatsever.
Anyways about halfway through my route (I was not auto-piloting), I tabbed out to pick a new song and check my email quickly. When I tabbed back in, I was sitting in my pod. Turns out some guy in a tornado popped me within seconds in high sec. Just like that, I lost weeks of work.
I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.
So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
Let me tell you a story about losing an Orca filled with everything I owned at the time during the Goonswarm Delve Evacuation to a single Dramiel in highsec. |
Otrebla Utrigas
Space Bastards
2
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:56:00 -
[165] - Quote
I can't belive you are a "top SC2 player" and rants about being killed in an Indy ship carrying all your items.
I'm sure you are just another Bronze who cries because mass voidrays are not the best "i win" composition on the game.
Eve is relaxing and fun compared to competitive SC2, usually because if you fight in EVE is because someone decided he can win you (and usually he will) or you are doing the same. No balanced, same skill fights which tend to plague B.net and make people suffering of "ladder anxiety"
Grow up, or just go back to LoL, a game so bad that even its name is a to laugh at. |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:11:00 -
[166] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:So today after playing for about 2 months I have deiced to quit Eve. I didn't really want to but I couldn't bring myself to keep playing this game. Where to start?
I love PvP. Its why I play video games, and its what drew me to this game. Unfortunately, PvP is also expensive, especially for new players. So in order to make enough isk to buy myself some ships to get blown up I picked up trading. Just simple buy low, sell high stuff. I was making pretty decent isk doing it too, and after a couple weeks I had made about 300 million. Today I found a pretty good trade from Dodixie to Jita and decided to buy up 300 million worth of stuffs to haul. Yes, I spent almost all my isk. Was that stupid? In hindsight, yes. However I had run trades like this dozens of times without running into any problems whatsever.
Anyways about halfway through my route (I was not auto-piloting), I tabbed out to pick a new song and check my email quickly. When I tabbed back in, I was sitting in my pod. Turns out some guy in a tornado popped me within seconds in high sec. Just like that, I lost weeks of work.
I have quite an extensive history playing online games. I used to play a lot of WoW, I play tons of Dota and LoL, and am a top-level SC2 player. In all my years, I have never seen a more pathetic excuse for PvP than what I saw today. All I wanted to do was have some fun peacefully trading some goods between systems so that I could make enough isk to go do some actual PvP. On a good day I'll maybe make a tiny fraction as much as those farming bots that I see in null sec all the time. Instead I lost pretty much everything I had. Two weeks of work, and all somebody has to do is press a couple of buttons while I'm tabbed out and it's gone. PvP is supposed to be about out-smarting and out-playing your opponent. Whatever happened today, I don't know what to call that.
So I hopped into my battleship, flew it into null sec, and got it blown up. Then I quit.
Didn't anyone ever tell you to "not put all your eggs in one basket?"
EVE does not hold your hand, and it is a long term game. Simply put it is not for everyone, and that is fine. Plenty other games out there.
As for making isk? Don't blame others, you sucked at it, easy as that. You had too little patience and did too little research. Learn from it and do better next time, don't act like a little spoiled brat. |
Herr Ronin
ISN Management
22
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Posted - 2012.04.12 11:33:00 -
[167] - Quote
Gantz Tleilax wrote:I get ships blown up every night in pvp, the cost is about 500,000 isk, and probably 650,000 isk with fittings. Your smoking crack if you think pvp is expensive.
Oh yes.. Thats rite.. You fly Frig's in high sec in blobs.. My bad...
Frigs.. Wow...
Deadspace a Vindicator and learn to have some fun. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
19
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Posted - 2012.04.12 11:56:00 -
[168] - Quote
please leave. never come back. reroll Panda |
Brodit
Dark Harlequin
3
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Posted - 2012.04.12 19:21:00 -
[169] - Quote
Okay, so hauling afk = driving your people carrier from the backseat, reading a newspaper whilst on your mobile. In other words you die AND it's your own fault. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
188
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Posted - 2012.04.13 06:17:00 -
[170] - Quote
Herr Ronin wrote:Gantz Tleilax wrote:I get ships blown up every night in pvp, the cost is about 500,000 isk, and probably 650,000 isk with fittings. Your smoking crack if you think pvp is expensive.
Oh yes.. Thats rite.. You fly Frig's in high sec in blobs.. My bad... Frigs.. Wow... Deadspace a Vindicator and learn to have some fun.
Yes, deadspace and oficer fit a Vindi and take it into a fleet fight so you can be primaried instantly. I can see how fun that woulds be not getting off any shots in your pimpmobile. |
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Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:43:00 -
[171] - Quote
How did you play long enough to earn 300m without knowing there aren't safe zones in Eve? Autopiloting in a fragile T1 indie full to the brim with loot is just asking for it. If you were actually at the keyboard and warping manually it never would have happened.
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Talon Jasra
Comtie Command Emission Generation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:18:00 -
[172] - Quote
Lord Dravius wrote:How did you play long enough to earn 300m without knowing there aren't safe zones in Eve? Autopiloting in a fragile T1 indie full to the brim with loot is just asking for it. If you were actually at the keyboard and warping manually it never would have happened.
This isn't the case. Even flying manually a t1 industrial can be locked and alpha'd before it can warp away. Had it happen once, lost 500mil. I then, turned back around and bought everything again, but put it in a covops transport and flew through lowsec just to avoid the Uedama/Niarja grinder. |
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
77
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:00:00 -
[173] - Quote
Spacebar Chelien wrote:I'm a wow noob why is HS not safe!
Okay wow noob... you got ganked... it was not pvp... it was to make money
You wanted to make money trading ****... and you just said you TABBED OUT OF THE GAME... so... you Fed yourself...
the guy blew you up to make some isk...
You want to quit have fun BAIIIIIIII.
"Top sc2 player" Top ******** eve player
Look you have two tops awards noa LOL |
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