http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf


The White Paper seems pretty clear to me on how this all goes down; where exactly did CCP change the voting schemata? Page 16 of the CSM governing document clearly states that if the Chairman is in any way removed (voluntarily or involuntarily) from his/her seat, the CSM members hold an internal election for the Chair.

This was in place long before the current debacle, no?


Not trolling, I'm asking honestly: at what point did the document change from something else to its current iteration? Where were changes made along the line?

http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf


The White Paper seems pretty clear to me on how this all goes down; where exactly did CCP change the voting schemata? Page 16 of the CSM governing document clearly states that if the Chairman is in any way removed (voluntarily or involuntarily) from his/her seat, the CSM members hold an internal election for the Chair.

This was in place long before the current debacle, no?


Not trolling, I'm asking honestly: at what point did the document change from something else to its current iteration? Where were changes made along the line?

Mittani stepped down from CSM 6 and was ineligible to sit in CSM 7. The chair never existed and the highest vote total of the eligible candidates was Two step.

It strikes me as odd that the white paper would suggest the guy with the most votes should be Chair, but if they are removed then the next highest vote guy doesn't matter. Is there reasoning behind this or is it really as nonsensical as it seems?

Two step had been publicly lauded as the goon's favourite choice of replacement Chair. It was simply too big an opportunity to wind you guys up a little-weeny bit more by choosing a Supercap fan as Chair going forwards

Man you aren't even entertaining as a low content troll. Must have been all those years running the space brothel, it just took it right out of you.

I've noticed you guys REALLY can't take a bit of humour when its directed at you.

Maybe be funny and people will laugh????

if you take a look outside your alliance chat you'll see that pretty much everybody else IS laughing

Ok?

tell you what, have a sympathy space like and I'll stop taking the mickey for a bit.

Ok?

You goons really need to get out of your alliance chat more with answers like "Ok?" on people laughing..Everyone is still laughing at you Goons. Your corp started so well but you are a stagnant rotting corpse of what once was.

You goons really need to get out of your alliance chat more with answers like "Ok?" on people laughing..Everyone is still laughing at you Goons. Your corp started so well but you are a stagnant rotting corpse of what once was.

Ok?

Good switch, I think you'll definitely have more luck getting into Jades pants than Isslers what with the space brothel and all that....

With CSM7's term beginning on April 4th, I now exercise my right as the winner of the election with 10,058 votes to decline the office of Chairman. It will then be up to CSM7 as a group to decide how to proceed regarding the Chair.

More tears please.

Good switch, I think you'll definitely have more luck getting into Jades pants than Isslers what with the space brothel and all that....

So let's see how this actually works.
Elections are done, all votes are in and counted.
Drama happens.
The Mittani himself says that he exercises his right as the winner of the election to decline chairmanship and that it will be up to CSM7 as a group to decide how to proceed in regards to the chair.

Whitepaper clearly indicates that :

"If the Chairman decides to step down or rescind his responsibility at any time for any reason, a vote must be held among Representatives to elect another Chairman"

I think all rules were followed by the letter.

But ofcourse there will always be people yelling "WOLF" , mostly those who gain least and / or lose most.

Well if we can move past the RL personal harrassment and ongoing attempts to ruin my professional reputation by posting my RL picture alongside allegations of child sex abuse by the goonswarm directorate, then perhaps we could have a proper discussion of precisely why you think the election of a replacement chair was improperly handled.

Do you think you are intellectually-capable of putting aside the ooc harrassment for long enough to have that discussion?

Mittani stepped down from CSM 6 and was ineligible to sit in CSM 7. The chair never existed and the highest vote total of the eligible candidates was Two step.

[quote=Sir Patrick Moore]
are you from the United states? just wondering as about 1/3 of EvE's voters are from the United States and I know myth busters is a well liked show there too

Sorry, didn't realize I'd said there was a problem with the way the replacement of the chair was handled?Oh wait, that was just you making **** up again.
You keep plugging away sweetie....

Pretty ironic to be accused of making stuff up by a goon.

Jeebus,

You guys can't stop yourself can you?

The white paper called for "If the Chairman decides to step down or rescind his responsibility at any time for any reason, a vote must be held among Representatives to elect another Chairman GÇô should the Chairman voluntarily step down as one he is still eligible for the position during the vote for a new Chairman."

I note the "rescind", Mittani decided not to accept the chair, so rescinded his responsibility.

He was banned and ineligible to sit afterwards..

So just to clarify here, you (the CSM) were directed to act as if he had resigned by CCP themselves?

(This isn't some kind of attempt at a "gotcha" either, I'm just legitimately curious if interpreting the situation like this was an internal decision or a CCP directive)

We were told by CCP Xhagen that we were required to vote for Chairman. This is why Korvin wasn't added to CSM 7 as well (he was #15)

I don't care for goons, but it sickens me to see 10k ignored. Especially when that 10k is most of CCP's business. You guys can hit the goons with at the sarcastic and "moar tears" comments that you like, but they keep eve interesting and keep stuff going. If they all left today eve would not be half as engaging. Keep acting like CCP can afford to lose the pirates/griefers and scammers of eve. When the game shuts down cause ccp can't pay the bills, then you can go play wow or rift I guess. Unless you really think dust is gonna save the day...........................

quote=Dry Martinis]I don't care for goons, but it sickens me to see 10k ignored. Especially when that 10k is most of CCP's business. You guys can hit the goons with at the sarcastic and "moar tears" comments that you like, but they keep eve interesting and keep stuff going. If they all left today eve would not be half as engaging .....

You said:

Take your comment for example about banning anyone who participates in the burn jita campaign. That is not the future of eve that I want and I hope that you are not considering yourself a pirate with that kind of mindset.


and I say if the "Burn Jita" campaign is in response to what happened to Mittens then I say "YES" ban anyone who participates as it could be interperted as a support for violating EULA/TOS.

There is no need for a re-vote as the votes were cast for Mittani and he would have been on the CSM7 if it weren't for his violating EULA/TOS. Contrary to popular opinion there is such a thing as accountability for those who violate rules regardless of tenure or position.

I fully support CCP's action and thank them for doing what might cost them a few accounts. So in return I renewed two of my accounts the other night when I read what happened. (have been away on vacation for a couple weeks.) I will probably open two more NEW accounts in support.

CCP's not ignoring the votes. The votes were thrown out in the wash because of the actions of one person, Mittani, no one else. CCP simply enforced EULA/TOS and the one deserving the bad karma finally got it. Wish more people would get the karma they so deserve in game and real life.

EVE is a harsh world, no doubt. But just because it's a sandbox game built around the brutality of living in space doesn't give anyone a right to be an complete arse to people in real life. We've seen too much of it and people are tired of it.

Play your game, but lines are drawn when it comes to RL attacks. I commend CCP for taking appropriate action even though they know it might effect their bottom line to some degree.

You said:

Take your comment for example about banning anyone who participates in the burn jita campaign. That is not the future of eve that I want and I hope that you are not considering yourself a pirate with that kind of mindset.


and I say if the "Burn Jita" campaign is in response to what happened to Mittens then I say "YES" ban anyone who participates as it could be interperted as a support for violating EULA/TOS.

There is no need for a re-vote as the votes were cast for Mittani and he would have been on the CSM7 if it weren't for his violating EULA/TOS. Contrary to popular opinion there is such a thing as accountability for those who violate rules regardless of tenure or position.

I fully support CCP's action and thank them for doing what might cost them a few accounts. So in return I renewed two of my accounts the other night when I read what happened. (have been away on vacation for a couple weeks.) I will probably open two more NEW accounts in support.

CCP's not ignoring the votes. The votes were thrown out in the wash because of the actions of one person, Mittani, no one else. CCP simply enforced EULA/TOS and the one deserving the bad karma finally got it. Wish more people would get the karma they so deserve in game and real life.

EVE is a harsh world, no doubt. But just because it's a sandbox game built around the brutality of living in space doesn't give anyone a right to be an complete arse to people in real life. We've seen too much of it and people are tired of it.

Play your game, but lines are drawn when it comes to RL attacks. I commend CCP for taking appropriate action even though they know it might effect their bottom line to some degree.

While I think this was a reasonable way to apply rules to a situation that no rule quite fits I think everyone having this debate is missing one very important point.

We are playing in CCP's sandbox. CSM exists at their discretion. We have no divind right to such direct player represntation at CCP. It might be best to accept the *generous* gift they give us and accept that CCP makes the rules, makes it exist, and can make it cease to exist.

That's cool an all but we pay the electric bill. We pay for servers to be hosted and when you have a game with 40k players tops, then you better realize it and not **** off 10k of them. Ccp exists at our discretion, don't forget it

That's cool an all but we pay the electric bill. We pay for servers to be hosted and when you have a game with 40k players tops, then you better realize it and not **** off 10k of them. Ccp exists at our discretion, don't forget it. When they have blizzards amount of subs, then they can give bad service

His ban made him ineligible to sit, meaning he couldn't rescind a title he never officially held, as this all went down before CSM 7 had officially started, and CSM 6 was still active. If you don't agree with that interpretation, that's fine (hopefully you'd at least agree that clarification is required for the future), but to keep quoting that Whitepaper excerpt when it's been explained pretty clearly why that doesn't work is just kind of stupid fyi.

Mittani stepped down from CSM 6 and was ineligible to sit in CSM 7. The chair never existed and the highest vote total of the eligible candidates was Two step.

40K at one time. 300k+ total.

The same could be said for any company that produces anything. Most companies do not have so formal an organization as CSM. This includes companies with both much larger and much smaller customer bases.

What does this even mean?

I swear the english invented the language then forgot how to use it.

Perhaps you should show a bit more respect to the country that won WW2 for you. You're welcome.

Perhaps you should show a bit more respect to the country that won WW2 for you. You're welcome.

I thought Two Step would have had the edge and would have made a fine chairman, but I have a lot of respect for Selene as well. Selene has that wider view which probably led to him winning out. I hope Two Step doesn't feel slighted, I heard he wasn't sure he wanted it.

So anyway, I am happy to abide by the vote both in principle and in practice.

One of the reasons I was reluctant to say anything at all was precisely because it could easily come off as sour grapes as to who got the chair, when in reality I was pretty fine with it being whoever (and I fully agree that Seleene is a very good choice - if anything because he had near unanimous votes from the other council members). Really though, I was just curious to see if the interpretation of the White Paper was due to any kind of politicking from another member (or members), or if it was just CCP saying "hey, new situation, you guys just do X".

Perhaps you should show a bit more respect to the country that won WW2 for you. You're welcome.

No, I shouldn't.

Perhaps you should go **** yourself?