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Lrrp Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:14:00 - [61] My only experiment was to take my ratting Drake in null space and against Gurista BS's and cruisers, the standard scourge heavy missiles seemed to down the ships about the same. Then again I do have decent missile skills and carry T2 hornets for scramming frigs but which also throw a bit of damage on the BS's also. So at least one source of income seems to be safe.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:31:00 - [62] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Megan Maynard Edited by: Megan Maynard on 12/11/2008 03:19:06 STOP. BREATH. FIT A TARGET PAINTER OF SOME FORM. GO SHOOT STUFF. Well, no. You know what tank is for caldari? > 'My blasterboat does 250 DPS only'. > 'Well, fit magstabs'. > 'Well, do know what tank is for Gallente?' etc. By the way. You need a web for same size ships. Pre patch in PVP, you need to tackle stuff to kill them. Post patch in PVP, you need to tackle stuff to kill them. A lot has changed in this respect, really. Seriously, do you all PVP in such gangs where you feel no need to tackle your opponents? Where do you operate? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:38:00 - [63] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Megan Maynard Edited by: Megan Maynard on 12/11/2008 03:19:06 STOP. BREATH. FIT A TARGET PAINTER OF SOME FORM. GO SHOOT STUFF. Well, no. You know what tank is for caldari? > 'My blasterboat does 250 DPS only'. > 'Well, fit magstabs'. > 'Well, do know what tank is for Gallente?' etc. By the way. You need a web for same size ships. Pre patch in PVP, you need to tackle stuff to kill them. Post patch in PVP, you need to tackle stuff to kill them. A lot has changed in this respect, really. Seriously, do you all PVP in such gangs where you feel no need to tackle your opponents? Where do you operate? Some caldari ships can spare the mid slot for tackle, but most simply cannot. The Drake and Raven for example have two "spare" mids (the drake really has three if you're going for HAMs). Some ships, such as the Cerberus have the mids to tackle (in theory) but are an odd combination of kinda flimsy and kinda short on firepower that makes closing to tackle a really boneheaded move. In the case of the raven, though it's often in a good position to tackle (range wise), most pilots instead opt for a target painter or a web to increase their damage against targets of all sizes. By and large, the fact that caldari ships often lack tackle gear isn't inheritly because their pilots are noobs: it's because the ships lack the means or the motivation to fufil that job.
Dracthera	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Derek Sigres By and large, the fact that caldari ships often lack tackle gear isn't inheritly because their pilots are noobs: it's because the ships lack the means or the motivation to fufil that job. Perhaps you should use a different ship for tackling. Not every ship need to do everything. Caldari PvP is best in gangs anyway, not solo, so take advantage of that. Clearly a ship with not enough mids to tackle has no business tackling.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:44:00 - [65] Originally by: Dracthera Originally by: Derek Sigres By and large, the fact that caldari ships often lack tackle gear isn't inheritly because their pilots are noobs: it's because the ships lack the means or the motivation to fufil that job. Perhaps you should use a different ship for tackling. Not every ship need to do everything. Caldari PvP is best in gangs anyway, not solo, so take advantage of that. Clearly a ship with not enough mids to tackle has no business tackling. That was one of the points I was making
Rhysire	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:01:00 - [66] Originally by: Lrrp My only experiment was to take my ratting Drake in null space and against Gurista BS's and cruisers, the standard scourge heavy missiles seemed to down the ships about the same. Then again I do have decent missile skills and carry T2 hornets for scramming frigs but which also throw a bit of damage on the BS's also. So at least one source of income seems to be safe. For missions, yeah Drake with HMLs is fine without a TP or webber. Frigs are a bit more work now but target them first at long range and they usually don't close the distance before dying. I didn't even open my drone bay doors on Guristas Extravaganza last night (not that I bothered before). Also, though she's not a missile boat, my 5x Hvy Ion II blaster Eagle (couple of LSE, one hardener, AB and web) seemed to perform better than pre-QR; was rippin **** up!
Katy Karkinoff Minmatar Psycho Chicks	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:47:00 - [67] OH MY GAWD NO WAI! caldari are supposed to have other classes assist them for their ewar!? i thought their niche was solo pvp! And fortunately for you solo pvp is hopeless now so you don't even need to worry about it. When you get your gang together instead of just slopping it together strategize and formulate your gang based on what you need. OMFG LOGIC. =/ Rapiers and huginns can do BOTH the things you are all whining about, and its all wrapped up in a nice little package for you. It's been said MILLIONS of times that caldari shin in gangs where they have the support to make them operate properly. Also this whole "BUT I WYLL HAB NO TANK!!" has got to go as you can still easily just throw on your LSE's and an invuln for a nice little buffer. You also can deal 95% of a blasterboats dps with out the more serious tracking issues, not to mention the much larger range. Sorry Merin, but i'll disagree with you on this one. Caldari have never been designed in a fashion to have one ship that can do everything for itself (in PvP). And for PvE i've never used a missile boat but i'm seeing lots of people accounting for it still being just fine. And if you're going to start complaining about time to do a mission fly a tanked domi. Dps is low, drones are slow, and sentries have bad tracking, and again low dps.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.12 16:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Dracthera Originally by: Derek Sigres By and large, the fact that caldari ships often lack tackle gear isn't inheritly because their pilots are noobs: it's because the ships lack the means or the motivation to fufil that job. Perhaps you should use a different ship for tackling. Not every ship need to do everything. Caldari PvP is best in gangs anyway, not solo, so take advantage of that. Clearly a ship with not enough mids to tackle has no business tackling. That was one of the points I was making Excactly, I think Derek is eluding to the fact that its a tad harsh to force an already strained ship (fitting wise) to lose another mid for ewar. Caldari are already best-suited to fleets, but confining them to such a role by gimping them with the new setup (less tank) or without a new setup (less dps) confines them to fleets and relying on other ewar more so than before. EVE history Missiles post-nerf
Cade Morrigan Caldari The Terrible Secret	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:03:00 - [69] Originally by: Katy Karkinoff You also can deal 95% of a blasterboats dps with out the more serious tracking issues, not to mention the much larger range. I'm going to have to start calling bull****e on this every time I see it, unless someone successfully explains how a ship can have BOTH a range advantage AND deal good damage with missiles now. If a TP and/or Web are needed to do decent dps now, then range just can't be pointed to as a caldari advantage. Just sayin! -= Don't you DARE call her ugly! =-
MenanceWhite Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:27:00 - [70] First, I read that topic with a raven user complaining that he had to shoot 20 cruises to kill a spider drone. Then I read this topic. Then I laughed. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
EggChen	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:06:00 - [71] Yes the damage is down on raven ok I understand. I'm only going into the pve lvl4 mission runners. I dont see the big deal. drones to kill frigs and you can still kill cruiser and up with the cruise. I hear ohh it takes to long. Try being a domi pilot on lvl 4 missions. You still out dps us. Granted we tank slightly better. I say we are even now. (Again this is only towards the raven mission runners.)
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:30:00 - [72] Originally by: EggChen Yes the damage is down on raven ok I understand. I'm only going into the pve lvl4 mission runners. I dont see the big deal. drones to kill frigs and you can still kill cruiser and up with the cruise. I hear ohh it takes to long. Try being a domi pilot on lvl 4 missions. You still out dps us. Granted we tank slightly better. I say we are even now. (Again this is only towards the raven mission runners.) If you're REALLY saying that a dominix puts out LESS dps than your standard issue mission Raven, I can only assume you're trolling or you don't actually believe in putting guns in those high slots. A dominix, from drones alone can equal the DPS of a fairly well skilled Raven pilot's cruise missiles. Tack on a few hundred more DPS from the guns and presto - you're handily outdpsing the Raven much of the time, especially from ranges actually relevent for PVE activities. And the tank argument is utterly irrelevent. The Dominix can easily sport "enough" tank to get the job done and most PVE ravens are rediculously overtanked. I mean, if you REALLY need to permenantly run a deadspace XL booster and hardners then you're doing something terribly wrong.

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