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Cincannatus	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:17:00 - [1] Personally i think the new expansion is great.. I know there are a lot of whiners and whingers out there, so i'd just like to make this thread so that the people out there who work hard to bring us this game, know that the time and effort that they actually put into it was worth it...that not ALL the feedback their getting is negative.... for example, i love the new certificate system, sure its not to everybody's taste, but it adds flavour to the game and is entirely optional.. so yeah, post here if you're happy and want to show some love!
Szent AdamKiraly Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:18:00 - [2] I think it is great but for the wrong reasons to be honest
Ulic Trask	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:18:00 - [3] I got something to add! its gonna save a lot of people 15 bucks a month!
tarin adur Gallente Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:19:00 - [4] Well,yes...the weapon stacking is perfect, and the certificates are awesome, althought.....requiring Shield Compensation 5 to get Armor tanking - Elite is odd....but so is ccp. New gates are also very sexy
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:21:00 - [5] I am enjoying my free expansion very much. :D - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:22:00 - [6] I'm mildly enjoying this patch so far, most especially because everyone hates it _____________________ My opinions plus a tablespoon of water may be substituted for your own.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:23:00 - [7] The balance adjustments please me greatly. Also, while most individual whiners will not actually quit and/or give me their stuff, the sheer number of them ensures that by the end of this, someone will give me their stuff and bucket loads of emotears to boot. Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
Capt Lothar the united	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:24:00 - [8] Originally by: tarin adur Well,yes...the weapon stacking is perfect, and the certificates are awesome, althought.....requiring Shield Compensation 5 to get Armor tanking - Elite is odd....but so is ccp. New gates are also very sexy Apparently you haven't tried jumping through a stargate with your weapons stacked...
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Cincannatus Personally i think the new expansion is great.. I know there are a lot of whiners and whingers out there, so i'd just like to make this thread so that the people out there who work hard to bring us this game, know that the time and effort that they actually put into it was worth it...that not ALL the feedback their getting is negative.... for example, i love the new certificate system, sure its not to everybody's taste, but it adds flavour to the game and is entirely optional.. so yeah, post here if you're happy and want to show some love! What's a whinger? No really, I don't know what the difference is.
tarin adur Gallente Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Capt Lothar Originally by: tarin adur Well,yes...the weapon stacking is perfect, and the certificates are awesome, althought.....requiring Shield Compensation 5 to get Armor tanking - Elite is odd....but so is ccp. New gates are also very sexy Apparently you haven't tried jumping through a stargate with your weapons stacked... I have actually,i just don't seem to be suffering from that bug, yet.

Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate I'm mildly enjoying this patch so far, most especially because everyone hates it /thread Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Originally by: Horza Otho [06:36:47] Horza Otho > its all good, everytime i fit a mega i play some mariah carey in the backround
Shadow's Caress	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:28:00 - [12] Some of the patch features are great. I love weapon grouping, and re-learning game balance will be fun. That's not why I'm going to continue to play the game tho. I'm going to continue because we're getting good attempts at gang fights mere hours after the patch went live despite nerfs and server instability. The next few weeks are going to be lots of fun with opponents who want to play like these guys do. btw: 3 kills, 0 losses so far .
Fragito Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:28:00 - [13] All changes in the expansion are perfect CCP, you guys really balanced the game well this time. Nano-gangs can now be countered without using nano-ships and missile boats don't do rediculous damage now, maybe I blaster ship can put up a fight now. I don't see why people are complaining, but that's what happens when people are exposed to an environment that requires skill. Spot on CCP.
Corwain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:30:00 - [14] I love the expansion. I'd be praising CCPs name right now if the scars from disabled ghost training, power of 2, and GTC pricejack weren't so fresh. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Corwain I love the expansion. I'd be praising CCPs name right now if the scars from disabled ghost training, power of 2, and GTC pricejack weren't so fresh. Here's some salt, do something with the salt. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Anisa Schardl	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:37:00 - [16] There isn't a single aspect of this expansion that I'm not enjoying. Wait, strike that, the occasional bug associated with jumping while weapons are grouped is a bit irritating, but I'm sure it'll be fixed quickly. The gates, weapon grouping, mod timers, etc, are all just gravy to me. I was, and still am, most excited about the speed balancing. Keep it up, CCP. Looks like you've got some great stuff slated for March, I can't wait.
Darth Schweinebacke Caldari The Legion of Darkness	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:38:00 - [17] Cant say anything bad about the changes yet. I will enjoy shooting ppl just as much as b4 and even might see more shiny explosions with less ships being able to get back to the gate b4 you can even get a lock on them without filling all my meds with sensor boosters :).
Sanguis Sanies Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:45:00 - [18] well so far I've only had the certificates and Timers to play with (the one gate I've jumped through so far has been normal amarr) The Certificates are awesome, and I can really see them having an massive impact on Recruitment, no longer will it be 10mil+ sp or 20mil+, it will be "Shield Elite" or "armour Standard" which makes it a whole lot easier for everyone, especially newbs who can then set training skills. I'm only 7.7mil sp, so when I logged on I only got about 15 or so (mostly mining) Can't wait to find a new stargate ._.. ._ .._ __. .... .. _. __. __ ._ _. Desu Sigs
Nitakko Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:06:00 - [19] Nerf Blockade Runners ------------------------- Originally by: CCP Mitnal So we can 1 v 1 with Garmon. We are not on holiday, we never sleep. Originally by: CCP Mindstar Hamsters applied. Run, my pretties!
Cincannatus	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Originally by: Cincannatus What's a whinger? No really, I don't know what the difference is. a whiner tends to act like a child, a whinger keeps on going on and on about the same thing. they ARE related, but are slightly different =D

Khwalik Ghetto Kings	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:50:00 - [21] It wasn't an expansion....(as I've said else where)....majority was fixes and implemnting crap that coulda been done two years ago......it was just a post fanfest hangover party.
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate I'm mildly enjoying this patch so far, most especially because everyone hates it Same here When the winds of changes blows some people make shelters while others build windmills.. Or just the EVE version, adapt or die. I do Sigs, Banners and other Graphics for ISK.
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Neth'Rae Originally by: Chaos Incarnate I'm mildly enjoying this patch so far, most especially because everyone hates it Same here When the winds of changes blows some people make shelters while others build windmills.. Or just the EVE version, adapt or die. The only problem is this time, there are no building materials for the wind mills.
Khwalik Ghetto Kings	Posted - 2008.11.12 07:02:00 - [24] Adaptation, isn't an issue, never has been...I leave a certain amount of leeway in any character for just such reason. That more or less by the time I can take advantage of something...well CCP will change the game. I kinda like it that way, keeps me attmepting to think ahead with the few braincells I have to rub together, and well I play EvE still..... I don't like some of the things CCP hands down but hey I don't like alot of things in real life either. Compared to the 'expansions' since I came back to EvE at Revelations...this wasn't an expansion by any means. It was a nerf bat and bug zapper. my 2 isk worth
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.11.12 07:04:00 - [25] Haven't even tested the expansion yet, but i'm guessing i'll go "ooh, aah, hmm...spin ship" at it like i always do My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.12 07:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Haven't even tested the expansion yet, but i'm guessing i'll go "ooh, aah, hmm...spin ship" at it like i always do Make sure you have a look at the pretty new stargates too! _____________________ My opinions plus a tablespoon of water may be substituted for your own.
Murk Loar Polytope	Posted - 2008.11.12 07:16:00 - [27] I like it.But the 200 or so people that spent hours testing it knew what was coming so I guess Ive just gotten used to the changes. (I'll say it's a patch more than an expansion though,one new ship and some fluff doesnt really qualify as an expansion but Im used to expansions containing new maps/races/ships ala W40K style.)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.11.12 07:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Sheriff Jones Haven't even tested the expansion yet, but i'm guessing i'll go "ooh, aah, hmm...spin ship" at it like i always do Make sure you have a look at the pretty new stargates too! It's a given, my log in consists of the following: - Check skill still blinking. - Check ship still spinning. - Check fitting still undone. - Yell "Balaghalamanam!!" in any channel i'm in. - Undock. - Warp to gate. - Set orbit at 10km. - Hit AB/MWD(if any. - Go for a smoke. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Clarijyn	Posted - 2008.11.12 07:25:00 - [29] The missile balancing is great. Seeing as I was always sad seeing people who use missiles out damage my rails in a BIG way. This will even out the playing field. It also makes sense to bring ship speeds in line with their class, making it more accurate. It'll be sad when me BS goes slower than it already does but I will survive. CCP keep up the great work.
Cyb3r Thr3at The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.12 07:54:00 - [30] F*CKIN LOVIN IT!!! GOOD JOB CCP!

Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:12:00 - [31] Weapon linking & the little circular timer for active modules are great. I only wish we'd had them years ago!
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:20:00 - [32] Absolutely love weapon linking and the module counters, I'm starting to have a hard time imagining EVE without them. Certificates are a bit odd, but a good addition. I'm an Elite Hull Tanker! As for the gameplay changes, changing the flow of the game is always nice, get to use some new setups and tactics is always a good thing. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:24:00 - [33] Originally by: Clarijyn The missile balancing is great. Seeing as I was always sad seeing people who use missiles out damage my rails in a BIG way. This will even out the playing field. It also makes sense to bring ship speeds in line with their class, making it more accurate. It'll be sad when me BS goes slower than it already does but I will survive. CCP keep up the great work. Alpha damage on missles WAS great but missle DPS sucks. comparing same size rails to missles the rails do far more DPS. Only good thing about missles is alpha damage, dam types, and range. If missles did that great of dps everyone would use them in PVP. Also ive personally seen Med rails hit for 800 dam /shot getting a heavy to hit for that is... not likely. maybe a cruise....
Bad Harlequin Minmatar The Harlequinade	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate I'm mildly enjoying this patch so far, most especially because everyone hates it Still downloading the patch, but i'm greatly enjoying your avatar ----- -- we all live in a yellow subroutine --
Hurricane Carter 0ccam's Razor UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:33:00 - [35] I got Afterburners V out of the box on Hurricane Carter here and I must say i'm f*cking glad I got it. My wolf's awsome ! HAC and BC's with Ab's SUCK but.... I can live with fitting MWD's on those. (specially Muninn needs that 1km/sec to get in close) Age of the Assault Frigs is here I think. Few AF's and a few ceptors and no one can track them even when webbed... pretty awsome ship now
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:34:00 - [36] …I like the Nero colour scheme.
narccissa	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:34:00 - [37] the more I think about it. The less I like it. Some people like to emphasize class differences. I don't. Role differences are fine but the idea that Cruisers should compete in web range versus larger ships is pretty stupid. In that way, class is the defining factor rather than range, or weapon or skill. Doesn't matter whether they are webbed or not, or if you have a single neut or not, or whether you have drones. It also seems like the few people going, fit a scramb, neut, and web and you'll be find are the people who don't pvp. Not every BS can fit those especially shield tanks, and fitting all the above gimps the ship in many many ways. Also bubble nerf and gate increase and covops on BR and Orca all seem geared towards the carebear. Less and less faith in ccp. Had to do this right after their power of 2 is what really ****es me off. I wouldn't have gotten a second account.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:39:00 - [38] Mission-runners will adapt to the missile changes. And I like the certificate system and the re-activation timers. That's pretty much it. The nerf has hit everything I enjoyed flying pretty hard. Battleships and battlecruisers are now much less viable and much more vulnerable, missiles are almost worthless against anything but nanos, and... ...why am I playing again?
Kleoptoleme Minmatar 0RDINAL	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:23:00 - [39] I like what I am seeing, especially the Weapon Linking and the timers for active modules. Nice job
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Vikarion Mission-runners will adapt to the missile changes. And I like the certificate system and the re-activation timers. That's pretty much it. The nerf has hit everything I enjoyed flying pretty hard. Battleships and battlecruisers are now much less viable and much more vulnerable, missiles are almost worthless against anything but nanos, and... ...why am I playing again? No idea, but if you find an alternative game let us know! Sure a few of us will follow.

Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:26:00 - [41] I love this patch so much, I just went and sold a 60 day GTC for 525 million ISK. I LOVE YOU CCP! HERE IS MORE OF MY MONEY! WHEEEE!!! \/ Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Tassaro	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:28:00 - [42] Well done CCP, I like the new add-on a lot. Weapon grouping, cool gates, speed nerf, certificates: it all works for me.
porutia	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:29:00 - [43] Grouping looks good BUT, I can only group weapons, it wouldnt let me group active hareners of same meta leve but for different resists, Ideally I wanted to group a thermal explosive and a damage control, also I couldnt group my web and scram, and I couldnt group my two medium armour reps despite being of the same type, Very limited. And what happened to the being able to move the controls, top align and bottom align isnt exactly being able to organise your screen better, GOOD IDEAS BUT NEED LOTS OF IMPROVING
Lady Katrana Wild Jokers	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:29:00 - [44] i am loving the forums today, patch is win to me
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:36:00 - [45] My favorites: 1) Transport changes. I can finally use my Bustard to its fullest extent in 0.0 without leaving skidmarks on the chair when I see gate fire. My Crane may become the ship of choice for moving normal cargos around. Now if I could just get one more high slot on the Crane... 2) Module timers. God its nice to have a quick glance idea of when the damned cyno is coming down... In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
SharpMango 14th Legion	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:47:00 - [46] i find it amusing that people are complaining about the supposed missile nerf. now lets be clear, if one goes to any mission hub, at a bare minimum 40% of ships missioning are ravens or navy derivatives. within caldari space that ratio increases to 80% plus. now why on earth would that be? because people were taking full advantage of the overmighty nature of missiles, now that they are balanced, missile lovers are having to face the same difficulties as gunners. well boohoo... and hooray for the programmers of ccp..... PLZ DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PREBUSCENT WHINERS!!!!!!!!!
Icarus Flame Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.13 03:04:00 - [47] I'm liking the patch too. I just recently rerolled (it was a choice between caldari and amarr - luckily, the layzor boats won out. ), so I haven't done any pvp in my punisher regarding the web/missile changes. I like the new stargates, and the weapon linking/module timers are awesome. Of course, there's not that much new content, but it is a free expansion, after all. That said, some things definitely need looking at. The Caldari whines are worse than anything I've ever seen, so maybe they actually have a point regarding the MASSIVE nerf to their missiles. A friend is considering joining the game, and I told him to stay the **** away from caldari. hehe. Also, the certification system is cool, but could use a revamp as well. Some of the requirements are positively ridiculous. Haha someone in another cert thread pointed out that Tactical Shield Manipulation V will actually HURT the passive shield tank - more damage applied to the shield and not to the armor. w/e. This just shows that the certificates have more to do with skill points than actual tactical capabilities. Another example being Targeting V required for Core Competency - Standard. That's an awfully useless skill for such a crucial requirement. I just really hope that CCP can look at this sometime soon and review, with player input, some of the dumber choices they made regarding prerequisites for certificates.
Anferney Terminal Velocity Inc. Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.13 03:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Cincannatus for example, i love the new certificate system, sure its not to everybody's taste, but it adds flavour to the game and is entirely optional.. Read the description for the hull tanking cert As for the rest of the patch, I am enjoying it. Hell, I am a Caldari who uses Caldari missile boats and Gallente blaster boats which, if you listen to all the whiners, are now useless, but I have yet to find this to be true. As a matter of fact, I get to try new fittings and figure out how to make the ships I have skills for work again and that is part of the game I enjoy Here it is. Isn't it unique?
Minny Sky	Posted - 2008.11.13 03:21:00 - [49] I think its great because you can fly T2 frigs again
Celeritas 5k Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.13 04:05:00 - [50] I like turtles. - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.

Wang LeeMei	Posted - 2008.11.13 04:13:00 - [51] i think the funniest about this exp is the never ending whining threads i like the expansion: weap grp is cool, certs are nice but sometimes a little confusing (as mentioned shield skill to get that armor tank elite cert) i also know of a caldari pilot whos using cruises and stuff he said to me today he didn¦t really noticed a difference could be hes quite a nub and never had enuff prepatch experience to realize the nerf but it can¦t be this bad or else he would have died or logged off whilst his level 4 mish or mentioned stuff about cross training - he did neither ;) Fly Save...
Zora Gallente Concealed Intentions	Posted - 2008.11.13 04:47:00 - [52] I love the patch, but damn you CCP, you actually made me start training shield management 5 just to get that stupid armor tanking - elite certificate
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.11.13 04:56:00 - [53] I like expansions that make the game feel fresh. This is the first expansion I 100% liked since RMR. There's always room for improvement, but all in all, imho the changes go in-line with previous CCP-intentions and development for the game is looking promising. That being said, I'm in the middle of moving home iRL so havn't had much time spent in space yet, but meh, saw it all on SiSi and the QR-launch just confirmed it. Doubt I'll find something that changes my mind.
Estar Tarns Equilibrium Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.13 04:56:00 - [54] I must agree with most people here. I really love this expansion and everything that comes with it. Thank you CCP for yet another great expansion! Cheers for 5 more years of awsomeness.
Cyb3r Thr3at The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.13 05:09:00 - [55] Edited by: Cyb3r Thr3at on 13/11/2008 05:10:37 Originally by: Hurricane Carter I got Afterburners V out of the box on Hurricane Carter here and I must say i'm f*cking glad I got it. My wolf's awsome ! HAC and BC's with Ab's SUCK but.... I can live with fitting MWD's on those. (specially Muninn needs that 1km/sec to get in close) Age of the Assault Frigs is here I think. Few AF's and a few ceptors and no one can track them even when webbed... pretty awsome ship now AF's & Ceptors!!! FTW!


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