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Lana Lanee
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:33:00 -
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seriously. why do i need SHIELD skills at 5 for the expert ARMOR tanking certificate? 
examples go on and on 
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Misina Arlath
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Lana Lanee
seriously. why do i need SHIELD skills at 5 for the expert ARMOR tanking certificate?
examples go on and on
seriously. why do we need a CERTIFICATE for anything? Limited API key feeds the corp with all the infoz needed anyhow. Why the heck would anyone care about some noob flashing a pointless certificate? Not like having a certificate for something in this game is a surefire assurance that they actually know how to play worth a damn anyhow.
Certs sound like a cheap addition that servers no other purpose than giving people a small carrot to work towards so they won't die from boredom while doing missions/mining.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Misina Arlath
Certs sound like a cheap addition that servers no other purpose than giving people a small carrot to work towards so they won't die from boredom while doing missions/mining.
Meh… Maybe, but that's a fairly good purpose to serve, imo. It gives people some kind of aim and guidance before they get their heads around the skill system, which I sure would have liked to have when I started.
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:47:00 -
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Certificates were a pointless feature.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:47:00 -
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I have no problem with certs and find it amusing that in Eve people truly will complain about anything. Yes, some of the certificates are questionable, but so what. It's not like you need them for anything. As far as I can see it is the Eve version of Xbox achievements and that's about it.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: DrAtomic on 12/11/2008 14:52:13
Trade 5 required for base certificate whereas it isnt even needed for anything in game?
Targetting 5 + multithingy 1 for low level core? WTF? Targetting above level 4 is only usefull for logistics pilots and/or electronic warfare specialists and even the latter is debateble.
Edit: it's a nice idea for newer players to give them direction and nice as a resume option for when applying with a corp but still a certificate planner without being able to actually plan a skilltree (cough queue)? Always nice another addition to the game that requires an out of game tool to be fully utilized. Guess they'll leave it up to evemon to finish where they started.
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Rosalina Sarinna
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bklyn 1
I have no problem with certs and find it amusing that in Eve people truly will complain about anything. Yes, some of the certificates are questionable, but so what. It's not like you need them for anything. As far as I can see it is the Eve version of Xbox achievements and that's about it.
Whos taking bets on the first person to get elite cert for everything? 
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:51:00 -
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My bet is some EVE DEV found an old BF2 disc and gave it a try and thought that thoses medals and certs could be awsum in EVE aswell. 
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Leon vanUber
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bklyn 1
I have no problem with certs and find it amusing that in Eve people truly will complain about anything. Yes, some of the certificates are questionable, but so what. It's not like you need them for anything. As far as I can see it is the Eve version of Xbox achievements and that's about it.
It's the point that they are kinda pointless and you don't need em. You can either see them as nice addition - even if rather useless, or see them as precious resources on side of ccp spent on questionable features.
I said 'spent', not 'wasted', mind you ;)
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Furb Killer
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:54:00 -
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My main problem with certs are that there are too many, it is very confusing all those certificates and which skills are exactly recomended by ccp (note: I dont give a crap myself what ccp recommends for flying a ship, and can do fine without them. But right now they also dont make it easier for a new player if he wants to know what he should train).
On the other hand, it dont care about them so i also cant care if some of them arent correctly implemented.
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Korovyov
Luminous Love Brewery
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Lanee
seriously. why do i need SHIELD skills at 5 for the expert ARMOR tanking certificate?
Because shields recharge constantly, and with shield skills at lvl5 that's a few points more of damage mitigated. Plus shields are an "alpha buffer" for an armor tank.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
My main problem with certs are that there are too many, it is very confusing all those certificates and which skills are exactly recomended by ccp (note: I dont give a crap myself what ccp recommends for flying a ship, and can do fine without them. But right now they also dont make it easier for a new player if he wants to know what he should train).
It might be clearer if they created a ship by ship license in addition to what they did. I.e. basic Raven pilot license and elite Amarr wtfbbqBS pilot license.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Korovyov
Originally by: Lana Lanee
seriously. why do i need SHIELD skills at 5 for the expert ARMOR tanking certificate?
Because shields recharge constantly, and with shield skills at lvl5 that's a few points more of damage mitigated. Plus shields are an "alpha buffer" for an armor tank.
The best description of shields from an armor tanker I ever heard was "the countdown timer before starting the reppers."
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Orion GUardian on 12/11/2008 15:06:34
To Op: Its Elite anyway so an Elite Pilot cares for the HP _before_ the tanke, too
Trade 5 needed for a basic cert? Which one? O found it, one of these "Starter Professions" I did not care for them after all, because I play the game like I want to...dont even have the Basic for MY chars Profession because of one skill I would not care to raise to 5
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:04:00 -
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And seriously... WTH trains Trade V for an extra 4 buy/sell slots? It's blocking the rest of the entrepreneur tree.
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:08:00 -
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Then dont care for the tree? Anway: Its a rank 1 skill...if you care so much take those 4-5 days for some extra slots.
Btw. I cant even get a cruiser missile cert becasue I dont have HAM-skills but I dont need to care. Anyway, at some points the certs can give you a blink on what skills you always forgot to train to V ^^
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Jonak
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:10:00 -
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These things are for bragging right only in my opinion. I have no interest.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:11:00 -
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Excuse me you n00bs but the certificates may not mean much to you just yet, but I want you all to know that I'm an elite hull tanker. So there. 
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Dacril
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:13:00 -
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I think certificates are an interesting feature. You're not forced to think they are, so why complain?
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:13:00 -
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Quote:
tactical shield manipulation: Skill at preventing damage from penetrating the shield, including the use of shield hardeners and other advanced shield modules. Reduces the chance of damage penetrating the shield when it falls below 25% by 5% per skill level, with 0% chance at level 5.
So, when this is at lvl5, your shield needs to be totally depleted to effect any armor. I guess that is why it's included.
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Minsc
Gallente
A.W.M
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:13:00 -
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Trade V is given with one of the starter packages so whoever pics that package will have it automatically, that's the only reason why that core package requires trade V. You gotta remember these certs are mainly for new players moreso than veterans and they will most likely use them more that us.
When I logged in after downtime though I did claim all my certs though...ding 139 certs. 
Originally by: Sharkbait
please for the love of god read the dam stickies
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Ticondrius
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Korovyov
Originally by: Lana Lanee
seriously. why do i need SHIELD skills at 5 for the expert ARMOR tanking certificate?
Because shields recharge constantly, and with shield skills at lvl5 that's a few points more of damage mitigated. Plus shields are an "alpha buffer" for an armor tank.
The best description of shields from an armor tanker I ever heard was "the countdown timer before starting the reppers."
This.
Shields save me cap by delaying the moment I have to bring up the armour tank in full. Cap saved = more time for pewpew and greater survivability in general.
Obviously if you never thought about this, you are NOT an elite Armour Tanker.
I love certificates. I found I was training skills already for a certain area that is covered by a set of certificates, and it helps make the task more clear and consistent. I found that I was close to a great deal of elite certificates, mostly being just 5-9 days away from most. Pretty useful, especially if I want to cross train.
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DrefsabZN
Caldari
Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:15:00 -
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Certs have a purpous its to send people off training skills they dont need to try and keep people playing the game longer and paying more subs to CCP.
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
And seriously... WTH trains Trade V for an extra 4 buy/sell slots? It's blocking the rest of the entrepreneur tree.
Someone who wants more slots and doesn't want to wait more than 5 days for them? Seriously it's a Rank 1 skill for traders and there's not that many trade skills you should want to have it at 5 anyway.
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Mithos Victus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Mithos Victus on 12/11/2008 15:20:46
As a combat pilot implementing new mining ships is a waste of my time and I demand all mining and industry be removed from the game because it distresses me greatly that I am not handed all my accomplishments on a silver plate! Please name the game Pew Pew Online: The Laser Age.
As a mining pilot implementing new combat mechanics such as weapon grouping is a waste of my time and I demand all combat ships and PvP be removed the game because it distresses me greatly that I am not able to play a game that should be titled Space Rocks Online: Jaspet Rise.
As a trader pilot implementing any changes that do not involve the market aspect of the game is a waste of my time and I demand all ships be removed from the game except for freighters so I can haul useless goods that no one needs from station to station. Please name the game Obelisk Online: The Useless Age.
I mean seriously... is anyone forcing you to do things ingame you do not want to? If not, then what's the problem? Cornflakes, relief?
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Moonmonkey
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:20:00 -
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I like the certificates, it gives a nice over view of what skills people need to learn and where to set their training goals.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Irongut
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
And seriously... WTH trains Trade V for an extra 4 buy/sell slots? It's blocking the rest of the entrepreneur tree.
Someone who wants more slots and doesn't want to wait more than 5 days for them? Seriously it's a Rank 1 skill for traders and there's not that many trade skills you should want to have it at 5 anyway.
Errr, you mean that same person that could train say Retail I for 15 minutes and receive 8 additional slots with it's pre-req being Trade II?
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NeoTheo
The Maverick Navy
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Lanee
seriously. why do i need SHIELD skills at 5 for the expert ARMOR tanking certificate?
examples go on and on
because ccp dont play, at all anymore, bring back tom and the rest of the devs that played the game tbh.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:24:00 -
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Mistakes happen, just bug report it.
Personally, I found that Certificates (a.k.a. having poor man's EVEMon skill planning inside EVE) were one of the better changes in this patch, they just need some more polishing/care.
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Circius
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Circius on 12/11/2008 15:26:24
Edited by: Circius on 12/11/2008 15:25:30
Good god what is wrong with you people? Every time a patch/expansion comes out, you ALWAYS find something to complain about...
It's an added feature, it doesn't slowdown your pc/steal your phone/kill your cat, if you don't like it, don't use it, it's not like the certificate system is popping up every 5 seconds saying "USE ME! YOU MUST USE ME NOW!".
The problem the OP described is probably a bug, just report it and be on your way.
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