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TehFedz
Comply Or Die
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:14:00 -
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I haven't had the opportunity to try out a mission yet so I'm wondering if anyone has done some extensive testing. Do javelin torps still get the job done? Is changing to dps/tank rigs and arby cruise missiles a better idea?
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ILiekResearch
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Posted - 2008.11.12 19:47:00 -
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anyone done some golem testing?
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v00d003
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Posted - 2008.11.12 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: v00d003 on 12/11/2008 19:57:26
The Golem is now horrible 
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2008.11.12 20:01:00 -
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i'll buy it. 100m a piece
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Jalum Krayal
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Posted - 2008.11.12 20:02:00 -
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Javelin torp + target painter golem is still fine. Cruisers take a bit longer to kill. Use light drones for the frigates.
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Sofia Kyodai
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Posted - 2008.11.12 20:27:00 -
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Golem is just fine, at most it'll take you a few minutes more to kill everything. Cruisers dotn die as easily to torps, BCs/ BSs same as before, frigates you use drones anyway. Javs also work as before, but do a tad less damage.
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
X.S. Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.13 10:11:00 -
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Ok My Golem set up
4x seige II (w/e ammo needed for mission 200 jav torps and 200 normal torps)
3x tractor beams
1x thon lg sheild rep
1x Gisti A type SBA
3x specific hardeners
2x best named painters
3x Caldari navy BCU
1x flux coil
riggs
1x rocket rigg I
1x hydrolic bay rigg I
drones
5x hammer heads II
5x goblins II
Implants
set of low grade crystals
hard wirings
5% flight time
5% shield amount
5% explosion velocity
go have fun
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Khaeldon
Golden Clover Astrogeologists
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Posted - 2008.11.13 10:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Tolsimir Wolfblood
Ok My Golem set up
4x seige II (w/e ammo needed for mission 200 jav torps and 200 normal torps)
3x tractor beams
1x thon lg sheild rep
1x Gisti A type SBA
3x specific hardeners
2x best named painters
3x Caldari navy BCU
1x flux coil
riggs
1x rocket rigg I
1x hydrolic bay rigg I
drones
5x hammer heads II
5x goblins II
Implants
set of low grade crystals
hard wirings
5% flight time
5% shield amount
5% explosion velocity
go have fun
"Cheap" setup, EFT or own experience?
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:13:00 -
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Torp golem is still doing fine. It's damage output and with that kill speed is just on par with other races close combat heavy hitters now, and not way above as before.
- torp range was a bit shortened, lost about 4km for standard torps
- dps on bs is about the same, dps on bc is lower (need more than one salvo now), while it obviously now takes a lot more salvos to take out the heavier cruisers. Either get used to it, or bring a mate with a HAC/BC who deals with them
- light drones rip through frigates just fine
- frigates (maybe except the most sturdiest ones) are still killable with torps, it just takes you about 10-15 salvos now. Ofc you might want to use light drones, as they are like 20 times faster in de-assembling the enemy frig
- speed was cut, instead of 444m/s I now only go 373m/s, and as gang boni where changed even being in a gang cannot increase that number. Together with less range for torps it's the biggest cut in mission performance.
I still use my old setup and it works just fine:
4x Siege II
2x tractor beam
1x Salvager (train Salvaging to at least lvl 4 and 1 salvager keeps up with your killing and looting without problems)
1x 100mn Gist-A type Afterburner I
1x PWNAGE painter I
1x CN X-Large Shield booster
1x CN Shield boost amplifier
1x Photon scattering Field II
2x Invul Field II
3x CN ballistic controls
1x Power diag II
Rigs:
1x rocket fuel I
1x hydraulic bay I (both for missile max range, which with max skills is now somewhere around 34km)
Drones:
5x Hammerhead II
5x Hobgoblin II
Ammo:
Javelin missiles
standard torps (use faction if you still want to one-volley battlecruisers)
Omni-Tank is working just fine on a golem with good skills. No need to fit specific hardeners really. (Using non-faction hardeners also makes missions interessting as without the micromanagement I would fall asleep really. That's why I insist of permaboosting setups ^^)
Just swap missiles according to enemy and there you go.
As for weapon grouping I would advise to use 2 groups a 2 launchers, as you often need like 6 torps for a bc or finishing a cruiser/bs etc and 2x 4 volleys would be wasting torps.
tbh, this patch also was a nice boost for the Vargur I suppose
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Kyodai
Golem is just fine
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 13/11/2008 11:25:50
Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 13/11/2008 11:25:03
Golem is absolutely fine, and my fit is sub-optimal:
Hi Slots:
4 x Siege Missile Launcher II (Javelin Torps)
Mid Slots:
3 * racial hardeners II (2 primary, one secondary)
PWNAGE Target Painter
Afterburner II
Large SB II
Best Named Heavy Cap Booster w/ 800s
Low Slots:
3 * Caldari Navy BCU
1 x Reactor Control Unit II
Rigs:
Can't remember exactly, but it's one to increase missile flight time, other to increase velocity (going for max range)
Drones: Vespa IIs
Implants: None
And I've only got Marauders Level 2. With this I:
2-shot Standard frigates
1-shot Destroyers
3-4 shot Cruisers
2-shot Battlecruisers
wtfbbqpwn Battleships (esp. compared to Cruise missiles  )
The only difference between this and pre-patch is that I don't one-shot frigates and Cruisers generally take one more volley now.
All in all, a balance that was very needed IMO. And yeah, sometimes you do have to cop a hit or two from the nerfbat. Suck it up and adapt.
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
X.S. Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.13 12:11:00 -
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My set up is from my own experience. Its like having 10 effective, full dammage torps hitting a target. Good fun. It tanks veary well. I even was crazy enough to take on the 8 1 mill plus bs in recon for a nice chunk of change 
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hermot
Amarr
Shadow Monkeys
Shadow Donkeys
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Posted - 2008.11.13 13:11:00 -
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I have done some missions in my golem..
I am High SP with the whole missile tree maxed, and max skills for medium and light drones. BS 5 and all tanking skills for the golem to 5
I now have a cruise golem with regular cruise missiles and am steaming through missions as fast as pre patch. I do not use a target painter.
Golem w/ cruise is god
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Veryez
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Posted - 2008.11.13 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
- dps on bs is about the same,
I wouldn't be so sure about that, seems that if the npc battleship is moving at all damage is reduced. I tried with 2xpainters and waited for BS to slowdown and orbit me such that his velosity was well below my explosive velosity (his velosity was 30 m/s). I was doing 1350.4 damage vs hull as opposed to 1736.2 which I did to buildings. I was under the impression that if his velosity was below your explosive velosity you'd do full damage, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
While I agree the torp golem is fine (especially w/2xpainters), I didn't expect damage reduction at such low speeds.
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Epidemis
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Posted - 2008.11.13 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Kyodai
Golem is just fine, at most it'll take you a few minutes more to kill everything. Cruisers dotn die as easily to torps, BCs/ BSs same as before, frigates you use drones anyway. Javs also work as before, but do a tad less damage.
Seems like you havent tried it, 50% less dmg vs BS
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.13 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Epidemis
Seems like you havent tried it, 50% less dmg vs BS
uhm, I'm still doing pretty much my EFT on-paper DPS with a single target painter and crappy skills vs BS's, sounds like a personal problem to me
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