Your comment lacks substance enlighten me on the clue that I should be talking about.

First clue: Not all T2 bpos are worth 100B.

Second clue: Most original T2 BPO holders worked their butts off to get them. Yes, they were randomly distributed. But each research point was like a lottery ticket, and you didn't get those RP by shaking a tree. Try to get 30 Lv5 R&D agents on two accounts, across multiple factions, whose standings you grinded for 4 months, to get a Wasp II BPO in the end (which ended resold to my corp for 750M), and come back tell me how I "unfairly got a massive 100B isk support from CCP".


Third clue: Without having any T2 BPO atm, I can easily gain more than double the isks than a holder of even the best T2 bpo over the same time period. It just require a bit more sweat. Hint: a T2 BPO can't use more than one factory line.

Thats not the problem. Was a broken mechanic and CPP changed it. And nowdays we cant compete.

Colector ships are destroyed by use but BPO t2 never expire and thats wrong.

T2 BPOs have been removed when peoples' accounts get suspended due to being caught using exploits (see below), and I've seen at least one killmail showing a destroyed T2 BPO, so that claim's a bit wide of the mark too.

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The assets removed from the game by our actions because of this exploit consist of large numbers of capital ships including some motherships and titans, over 30 Tech II BPOs and other valuable items as well as large amounts of ISK.

Yes T2 BPO's can be ganked while in ships. One of the major porblems with T2 BPO's is that they can not be stolen by corp members. This is wrong if you trust a player to use this item it should be able to be stolen. How the hell do CCP explain this. ''Here have free access to this item so you can make stuff, hey don't go near that item or steal it''. It makes zero sense a good nerf for T2 BPO would have been to make them unlockable. Although we should not comprimise and still push for a complete removal of said items.

also, I dont have a state raven, and new players cant get them, remove them too?
I dont have a freki, remove those?
i dont have a mimir, remove those?
ive never gotten an officer spawn, nerf officers?
i dont have a titan, remove those?
i dont have a technicium moon, nerf those?
i dont have a revanant, remove those?

Collector ships are destroyed if used no invalance there.
You can build new titans
you can conquest a technetium moon.


BPO T2 in a station cant be destroyed and make an invalance in the economy.
You cant compete in lots of item because it invention cost is above its selling point.

EvA

honestly, if you think t2 bpo's are so powerfull and you can make trillions from them, go buys some. like most of teh people who own them currently have.
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if they are so so bad, ccp can buy many every week and remove them the fair way

Lets do some numbers :

Excl. drones/charges, the most produced T2 items from BPOs in March were: Exp. Cargohold (19%), Rocket Launcher (94%), Cap Recharger (22%).

cap recharger ii
selling 2k-4k unit / day

http://www.eve-market-guide.com/t1item.php?id=2032#

Optimal manufacturing cost171,913.16
Optimal manufacturing time42m 46s
Jita sales price712,896.00
Profit per hour758,978.27
Per day 18,215,478,48
Per month 546464160

Free money

invention cost

Totals
Invention cost216,233.64
Optimal manufacturing cost181,347.47
Optimal manufacturing time1h 46m 40s
Jita sales price712,896.00
Profit per hour177,364.62

see any diference?

yeh you forgot to x the invented number by 10, as the inventor can make at least 10 slots worth and teh bpo holder can only use that bpo once... nerf invention, buff t2bpo's dam it

With the other 9 spaces i can make invention with the money i earn i can pay another acount for free and have 30 new slots.

your point?

EvA

Yes T2 BPO's can be ganked while in ships. One of the major porblems with T2 BPO's is that they can not be stolen by corp members. This is wrong if you trust a player to use this item it should be able to be stolen. How the hell do CCP explain this. ''Here have free access to this item so you can make stuff, hey don't go near that item or steal it''. It makes zero sense a good nerf for T2 BPO would have been to make them unlockable. Although we should not comprimise and still push for a complete removal of said items.

Two things and then I'm done with this ludicrous thread:
1) You should stop now. You look like an idiot, so just move on.
2) Since you started this anorexic thread, how many T2 BPOs have you bought and trashed?

I have T2 BPO's that I have stopped manufactuing from since it takes a HUGE amount of time to actually make, move and sell those items, and the margins are slim.

Also, tell your friends about this game. Get another 50k to log in, and the T2 BPO's will not be a problem.
Also, once a Drake cost as much as a HAC, the use of HAC's will go up, and, voila, profit.

So u can guess what are the margins for the same items doing invention?

T2 will still be a problem. Only owners of BPO T2 like the free card that they have free money isnt easy to say not too.

EvA

[quote=Eva Volkova][quote=qDoctor Strangelove]

What I fail to see is WHY the investment of these industrialists should be nulled?


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T2 will still be a problem. Only owners of BPO T2 like the free card that they have free money isnt easy to say not too.

[quote=Eva Volkova]

The stupidity of your postings made my eyes bleed.

Paying 2b-150b isk does NOT equal free

I invented and still invent an insane amount of modules (yes i used the system you claim is broken) to earn the money to pay for my "free" T2 BPO.

Everyone else can do exactly the same thing if he wants.

The first owner didnt pay that amount of money if was given by a lottery.

If you payd that is because the owner didnt whant the BPO.

And if you paid 5 isk o 5 billion dosnt make you have more reason.

The sistem is broken lets agree how to change it.

If you think BPO T2 are good then look for a sistem to reintroduce them in the game.

I have explain mi point of view.

Ships (like titans) cost a lot of money and they are being balanced all the time.

why cant we look for a way to resolve the problem?

EvA

why cant we look for a way to resolve the problem?

EvA

And winning the lottery was, in the vast majority of cases, the result of a lot of sweat and time involved.

And time = money.

I know a guy who had 3 accounts. 9 characters. 54 lv5 R&D agents. With all relevant skills maxed. Involved SP in the multiple dozens of millions.

So he got a few BPOs. If you imply again that he just was handed over those BPOs because he got lucky, I'll start calling you names.


Invention need to take into account the ME/PE of the BPC used in the process. That would reduce significantly the margin between Bpo-produced and invention-produced stuff. But that's all that's needed.

There is no need to reintroduce T2 BPOs. If you still want reasons, just think how a massive influx from those prints would obsolete Invention. Or the unnecessary economic disruption for those who invested in one.

Speaking of reasons, I have yet to see a reason for removing T2 Bpos that doesn't reek of envy.

You are entitled to pay any amount of money for anything if you think it is worth that. Dosent mean that the item real value is that.

The first owner didnt pay that amount of money if was given by a lottery.

If you payd that is because the owner didnt whant the BPO.

And if you paid 5 isk o 5 billion dosnt make you have more reason.

The sistem is broken lets agree how to change it.

If you think BPO T2 are good then look for a sistem to reintroduce them in the game.

I have explain mi point of view.

Ships (like titans) cost a lot of money and they are being balanced all the time.

why cant we look for a way to resolve the problem?

EvA

I think I said I was done with the thread, but like the Mob, it just keeps pulling me back in again.

So let me get this straight. You think that because the original owner of the BPO didn't pay the price they demand today that the "sistem" [sic] is broken? And what does selling price of a T2 BPO have to do with anything at all?

I'm trying to get your point, but your jumps in rational logic are hard to follow. It's been made clear both in threads of this nature and CCP's own numbers that items from T2 BPOs on the whole barely scratch the surface in terms of numer of T2 igtems sold. So the argument that the T2 BPOs that you guys are INSISTING were free are imbalancing the system is rediculous. It's just another take on the "free minerals" non-sense.

if you change invention to be more profitable for X item, then people will start inventing X item until there is no profit. removeing the t2 bpo's will do the same thing, people will flock to what ever is most profitable until there is no more profit!]
the only thing removing t2 bpo's will do, is cause people to do massive ammounts of speculation.